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Thanks, Guys

Nobel Peace Prize Winner 2010
Liu Xiaobo , Winner of Nobel Peace Prize 2010, “ CHRD

Vassals, serfs, dependent states,
including erstwhile defenders
of human rights, we appreciate
and respect your well-considered
decisions to absent yourselves
from the Nobel Peace Prize
ceremonies for the common
prisoner who shall not here
be named, who has filled
pages of certain duplicitous
democracies with his seditious
ideas. He will remain in jail
and the Middle Kingdom
shall prosper without end.

  • Davidson

    Thank you, Concerned Citizen.

    We are Russia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Sri Lanka, Cuba, Iraq, Venezuela, Serbia, …….

  • luxmy

    http://www.sinodaily.com/reports/Nobel_Peace_ceremony_in_absentia_the_Ossietzky_precedent_999.html
    This year’s Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, in honour of jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, will mark only the second time in the prize’s history that neither the laureate nor a representative will be able to come accept the award.
    Three famous laureates, Myanmar’s democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi, Soviet dissident Andrei Sakharov and Polish trade union activist Lech Walesa, were all unable to attend their ceremonies, but they each had family members pick up their award for them. ……..

  • luxmy

    ………… The only true precedent for this year’s event, when Liu’s chair will symbolically be left empty and no award will be handed over, was when German journalist and pacifist Carl von Ossietzky won the 1935 prize.

    Imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp, Ossietzky was unable to make the trip to Oslo when his prize ceremony was held in 1936.

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    COUNTERVIEW FROM ONE OF THE WORLD’S TOP 100 INTELLECTUALS

    On the eve of the award of the Nobel Prize to Liu Xiaobo, Kishore Mahbubani, a former Singaporean Permanent Representative to the UN and now Dean, Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore, named one of the world’s top 100 thinkers by Foreign Policy magazine, Washington DC, had this to say about the Nobel Committee’s picks for the Peace prize:

    “Now, coming back to the Chinese Nobel Prize winner, now, you know, unfortunately, I made a mistake of speaking at a Norwegian shipping conference — this is a fact — on the day before the Nobel Prize was announced. And before the Nobel Prize was announced, somebody stood up and asked the question, you know, hey, I understand a Chinese dissident, they got Nobel Prize. And I said, oh, I don’t know about that, but, you know, in general — a general response. I said, but frankly, I think Nobel prizes should also be given to leaders like Deng Xiaoping, who made a huge difference, because the largest poverty-reduction program in the world was carried out by Deng Xiaoping. He lifted up 600 million people out of poverty…. the other thing I said mischievously, also, I said, is that you give the Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama, who’s a wonderful human being, but what peace has he achieved? Okay?
    So now going back to the Chinese dissident now, I do not know this Chinese dissident myself. In fact, I never heard of him, to be honest with you, until after the Nobel Peace Prize was announced. But I’m going to say something, which is — I’ve got to choose my words very, very carefully. But I want you to understand this, okay? You know, Max Weber once said it is not true that only good comes out of good intentions, and evil comes out of evil intentions.
    The intention in giving the Nobel Peace Prize to Liu Xiaobo was a good intention, but the results may be negative. And let me explain why. Apparently — I don’t know enough about the domestic politics in China, but apparently there were some reformers in China who are trying to push China towards greater political reform. The reformers are being by resisted by people — what you might call “hard-liners” or whatever it is. And sometimes Western terms don’t capture the nuances.
    The reformers thought they were making progress. Pop! The Nobel Peace Prize comes in. The hard-liners said, “See, I told you. The West is out to undermine political stability in China.” And they push back on reformers. So the intention was good, I agree. But the effect can be negative. And that’s why I actually believe that if you want to transform China, it can be transformed, but it has to be done by the Chinese.”

  • Charter 08 on ‘legal reforms, democracy and human rights in China,’ which was co-authored by Liu Xiaobo, was translated by Human Rights in China (HRIC) and can be viewed on their website here.

    HRIC released a joint statement with other prominent Human rights organisations titled ‘FREEDOM FOR LIU XIAOBO AND ALL IMPRISONED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT FOR EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS’ on the 8th of December 2010 and can be viewed here .

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Dayan,

    This is very good informations that you are finding. Exactly the kind of thing we must be showing the world because peoples are asking why not support the poor dissident fellow winning Nobel Prize? Even people in the home side asking me and I am telling them, how am I to be knowing, go ask the President. He is knowing everything. But I am forgetting that you are always there to be finding good informations helpful to president. Now I can be telling people why we are not supporting dissidents in China. It is because we are loving them too much. Of course if the China is not giving us harbours and airports and roads and bridges and also thousands of working class peoples we can be just ignorng informations like this,even jumping up and down and saying what a nice dissident the Xiaoboy is but that is not the reality. Isn’t that not the truth?

  • Zorro

    Mr. Dayan,
    you find such statements from people like Kishore Mahbubani, of course an academic of your taste and caliber, in support of the Chinese government’s decision to boycott and condemn the Nobel committee’s decision, and may be the decision of our govt. to support the Chinese govt. May be just only because of this reason you find this statement of Mahbubani is worth mentioning. But can you imagine, that there are and have been other renowned personalities and institutions condemning politics of our President and bad governance and HR situation in the country, in such an event you rapidly disagree withe these people and denounce their capacity to make a critic; can you explain me WHY?

  • ram kapoor

    more importantly, does ‘The Mervyn Silva’ annoy anyone else apart from me?

    If you want to learn how to satirically impersonate someone I recommend you read ‘fakestevejobs’.

    Otherwise your comments and style of writing are very annoying and don’t really add anything even in terms of a possible Mervyn-esque interpretation of an artical or viewpoint juxtaposed with for example fake steve jobs who does a good job in doing steve jobs satire.

  • Bundoora

    Dear Zorro ,
    please try to come to terms with this opportunistic, self centered , egotic stooge, his one and only ambition is to serve his almighty , for  that he would go extra mile ( may be thousands ) to find some thing to white wash , for   each and every misdemeanor done by his divine king ,that is why he hurriedly jumped in to the band wagon  ,  he will always,  find some one’s name  or an article  to associate with it  , only a lackey would agree with this argument , frankly it is  another attempt to undermine the intelligence of the readers.

  • wijayapala

    Dear ram, I think most Sri Lankans here find the Mervyn Silva to be highly entertaining and does an excellent job with satire. I do not think he needs to emulate “fakestevejobs.” I don’t think I’ve come across a better impersonator of the Doctor than the one here on GV.

    Now please be careful with your comments, lest they lead to your being tied to a tree! 😀

    – wije, the faithful Mervyn Silva goonda

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    There’s only one little problem with the Mervyn, Zorro and Bundoora, that is, apart from their cowardice in keeping their masks on ( unlike Kishore M). That problem is teir ignrance. Wwhy do I quote Kishore Mahbubani? Is he somehow under the sway of Mahinda Rajapakse or Bell Pottinger? Such dumbass questions would not even have to be posed if GV posters weren’t such sorry-ass, intellectually-challenged characters who were not in the habit of reading serious, quality material such as Foreign Policy magazine which is one of the most respected publications in the world. So, here goes:

    SPECIAL REPORT PRINT | TEXT SIZE | EMAIL | SINGLE PAGE

    Foreign Policy presents a unique portrait of 2010’s global marketplace of ideas and the thinkers who make them.

    DECEMBER 2010
    92. Kishore Mahbubani

    for being the voice of a new Asian century.

    Dean, Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy | Singapore

    There have been few more ardent evangelists for Asia’s growing role on the world stage than Kishore Mahbubani. And with the advent of the Great Recession, the career-diplomat-cum-scholar is attracting an ever-wider audience: The collapse of the Western financial system, he writes, “has accelerated the end of the era of Western domination of world history.”

    While American readers might find this a gloomy take on world events, Mahbubani sees it as a positive development. A world where multiple powers share the burdens of global governance, he argues, will ultimately be more stable than the current fading unipolar moment. That’s why Mahbubani — who says “the stupidity of U.S. congressmen” keeps him awake nights — has pressed for a resolution to the long-simmering U.S.-Chinese trade war and urged China and India to play a more prominent role in global institutions.

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    Hey guys, hope all of you read Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith’s remarks of Dec 6th at the BMICH, on MR, and overseas campaigns to denigrate Sri Lanka, etc etc…

    Hope you also pondered Sajith Premadasa’s crisp comment on war crimes allegations.

  • ram kapoor

    sorry chaps, i was feeling under the weather before and shouldn’t have gotten so wound up by mervyn… i beg you not to tie me to a tree!!! mervyn, how’s pabaa?

  •  Dear DJ,
    i need to stress , the fact that i use pseudonym for different reasons , you are entitled to assume any thing on that , may be  cowardliness , white van syndrome , work ethics etc etc  , please be my guest, take your  pick !. if i were to use my name as Nimal, Kamal, Ajith , Dayan ..etc how   will you  ever know is that the true identity of the said individual ? on the other hand there are quite number of people do use their own names , do you really know who those people are ? Unless you are a known person, the name does not have any value my dear friend! but fact remains , as long as he/she  poses  a valid , legitimate question, you can’t dismiss that , just because he/she  uses a pseudonym , can you my dear Doctor ! I can give you my  assurance that I’m not a well known person any where in this planet  , after all I’m an illiterate moron ( according to you ) Doctor Dayan , so there is no point in debating about identity of the individual , just be brave enough to answer the queries.

  • longus

    ram kapoor

    Maybe you don’t have a sense of humour, or maybe you don’t really get the nuances of Sri Lankan humour – as your Indian name suggests. Anyway don’t dare try to confront ‘ape’ Mervyn Silva!

    The Mervyn Silva

    Don’t be worrying to these comments. We likes your writing and keep be writing! Some people has to be given ‘laughing gas’ to be laughing; not your problem Sir!

    Dayan Jayatilake

    The Tiger flag waving in Britain has the same kind of negative effect on the Sri Lanka’s hardliners and the Sinhalese extremists. The aggression of the Western governments towards Sri Lanka too has a similar effect ; fuelling the no-compromise and no-reconcilliation stand. Sri Lanka can’t be pressurized by the West in the present context, and it’s high time that the flag wavers and the big talkers in the West realized it!

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    ‘ Valid, legitimate question…’?

    I challenge anyone to show me the ‘ valid legitimate question’ in this:

    Bundoora said,
    December 9, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

    Dear Zorro ,
    please try to come to terms with this opportunistic, self centered , egotic stooge, his one and only ambition is to serve his almighty , for that he would go extra mile ( may be thousands ) to find some thing to white wash , for each and every misdemeanor done by his divine king ,that is why he hurriedly jumped in to the band wagon , he will always, find some one’s name or an article to associate with it , only a lackey would agree with this argument , frankly it is another attempt to undermine the intelligence of the readers.

  • wijayapala

    Dr Dayan,

    Such dumbass questions would not even have to be posed if GV posters weren’t such sorry-ass, intellectually-challenged characters who were not in the habit of reading serious, quality material

    You are asying that only sorry-ass, intellectually-challenged characters read your articles, as smarter people would pass you up for more serious, quality material??

    Perhaps if you improved the quality of your writing- being a little more incisive like your old man, instead of relying on name-dropping and blustering- Foreign Policy magazine might stop rejecting your articles!

    Why do you write to us when we don’t appreciate your name-dropping the wisdom of others? Is it because your masters in Colombo don’t really listen to you regardless of how much you praise them and sell their line? You write to us because nobody else out there takes you seriously?

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Longus,

    I am thanking you for your support. The Ram is not annoying me.

    The Ram, if you are annoyed with what I am writing why you reading them? Just skip anything written by the Mervyn and go to the next. You are not needing to be doctor or the scientist of the rockets to be figuring that out.

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Wijayapala,

    Thanking you too. It is good for the Ram I am also doctor and intellectual. Ram is saying sorry so no punishment this time. In the Sri Lanka side saying the sorry word is very important. The president is waiting for the Fonseka to say sorry and the Fonseka is waiting for the president to be sorry and the peoples are just feeling sorry for themselves but not saying so because they are wanting to be safe than sorry.

    And the Dayan, I am reading the Sajith’s commentings. Very crispy. Just like your stories.

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Dayan is saying,

    “Such dumbass questions would not even have to be posed if GV posters weren’t such sorry-ass, intellectually-challenged characters who were not in the habit of reading serious, quality material such as Foreign Policy magazine which is one of the most respected publications in the world.”

    Please be taking the deeep breath and drinking the glass of water. This is what we are recommending the president when he is returning from the Oxford side. I am always telling peoples, what is good for the master is good for the pet also.

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    Wijayapala, hell no man, I write articles to GV because I like and respect what the Editor is attempting. I write in to the comments section occasionally, when I get bored….:) In fact I told a US university survey that GV is potentially a Slate or Huffington Post, except the readers are a Fox News audience.

  • Dear Dj

    DJ, DJ you never seem to be giving up , do you !! Another classic example of real DJ ..
    Why are you barking to the wrong tree, did I address you on that post? it clearly states Dear Zorro , did I ask a question from you , no there was not !!!!!!!!!! Why do you try to mislead the readers again? In fact I never pose a question to anybody!!
    on the other hand I did write a post for you , in that I answered for your query as to why I use pseudonym , you conveniently ignored that and challenging any one to show a legitimate question from a para something which does not seek an answer, it is a mere opinion of mine.
    I challenge you to read the past blogs and see how many queries you have deliberately ignored, reasons best known to you learned doctor!

  • Humanist

    The Mervyn Silva, The Ram is the decent chap, we know you will be forgiving him – to be erring is the human, to be forgiving the divine. You are having many many more supporters like me also at the GV – you might be winning against the MR in the next election, as long as you are not being like the Sarath Fonseka and making the mistakes. More like the Sajith Premadasa, making the crispy remarks.

    Ram, laughter is the best medicine – can even cure, cancer they say… one of the reasons I returned to this site after staying away for some months is the Mervyn Silva.

    And hey folks, it’s never too late to enroll for your PhDs at Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, NUS or at least University of Hawaii so that we can maintain the standards that the esteemed Dr. DJ demands from his audiende – one notch up from the Foxy News.

  • Zorro

    DJ,
    dropping names of intellectuals and renowned literature or slipping the note of “you said to a US posting… bla bla” may impress some people but definitely not me or people who have self esteem and humble. Are you being self critical at any point of time in your life? I presume NO! You want to know why I use a pseudonym, I have a simple reason; I am not making any statements to please our non-democratic and almost dictatorial government like you do, and I am critical; and I presume you definitely know what kind of trouble people like me get into with the CID and the security forces in Sri Lanka if they happen to identify me, similar to in China (they even put the wife and friends of Liu Xiaobo under house arrest) You heard of White Van affairs in Sri Lanka, or the killing of journalists or arrestsed and missing persons.

    DJ from your thirst for reputation, appreciation and acceptance [edited out – kindly stick to the issues, thank you]. Of course you have reached the goals set to you and mastered every challenge but it does not necessarily impress me. This is your glass of wine and you have to sip it not me.

  • Sohan Fernando

    Dr Dayan Jayatilleka said,
    “Hey guys, hope all of you read Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith’s remarks of Dec 6th at the BMICH, on MR, and overseas campaigns to denigrate Sri Lanka, etc etc…”
    Yes, READ something of that…
    Never miss a chance to hear the two MR’s together! E.g., Bishop MR’s words of a few days before January 26th… i.e., http://www.dailynews.lk/2010/01/26/news11.asp and I didn’t need St.Anthony to help me understand all that – neither then, nor now.

    Glad you’re placing this faith in Christian clergy’s words; so similarly maybe you’ll tell all of us GV readers whether YOU READ Bishop’s Swampillai’s words? Seems to me, far more authoritative words (considering the time and place). I.e., his LLRC submission http://www.archdioceseofcolombo.com/news.php?id=1133 where he has said:
    quote: “Human rights have been violated with impunity by the Security Forces and unidentifiable groups and persons, especially in the North and East. This state was worsened by the State sponsorship of Para-Military Groups during the height of the war to out former militants. unquote.

    Well???

    Dayan said,

    “Hope you also pondered Sajith Premadasa’s crisp comment on war crimes allegations.”

    Yes, pondered much… “Crisp” it sure is… Pondering pondering, now why would he have said such a thing — and anyhow why on earth did he say it now and not a long time ago: there’s nothing special about this week, special or “UN-convention-al”, is there 😕 :-/ ??? Groaaan, us poorly educated common folk can’t make sense of all this, just sitting here and pondering.

    Different track: that same bishop (Swampillai) also said “… rather it is dangerous to speak about human rights” C’mon Dayan, if the bishop knows that, why don’t you? Can’t you read his words and hence get off your hobby horse of bashing-those-who-wisely-comment-only-anonymously? That horse must be tired of trotting that same tune 😀

  • Sohan Fernando

    @ “The Mervyn Silva” :
    One more voice here saying no problem with your writing or style. Continue continue!

  • justitia

    The Nobel Peace Prize committee members are well educated persons who peruse most relevant publications worldwide and opinions of those who matter, in selecting one among the many nominated for the prize.
    The selection of Liu Xiaobo has been done in the same way others were selected in the past, for the prize.
    I fully agree with the selection of Liu Xiaobo.
    He has been fighting against the tyranny of the chinese state, and deserves the prize.
    Sri Lanka and a few other countries have decided to boycot the Award Ceremony on political grounds. It is their right to do so.
    Those of our politicians who need to support the regime must by necessity approve sri lanka’s boycott.
    The sycophants must necessarily invent arguments in support – else they will be overlooked for the political favours.

  • Dilkusha

    Kishore Mahbubani’s thoughts of the Nobel award titled “Ignoble Nobel” which appeared in the New York times on November 11, 2010, should be read in its entirety, to understand it. By the way he is in not of the same calibre as Dr DJ. Mabubhani, is an unassuming and humble intellectual, who is much respected and well loved in Singapore and the region. He is a philosopher and a true diplomat, rose from humble origins, and is never ashamed to acknowledge it. He has written several books and articles in simple language, easy for any layman to understand. Since Mr Mabubhani, has such a vast store of knowledge with regard to both China and the West, I wouldnt dismiss his views on the Nobel prize to the Chinese dissident. It does sound valid to me.

    • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

      Dilkusha implies that I have spun the Kishore quote, and suggests that it be seen in context, so here is the full article ..:))

      [Link for the article below: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/12/opinion/12iht-edmahbubani.html?_r=1 ]

      NEW YORK TIMES

      November 11th, 2010

      Counterpoint: An Ignoble Nobel

      By KISHORE MAHBUBANI

      SINGAPORE — Max Weber once wisely stated, “It is not true that good can only follow from good

      and evil only from evil, but that often the opposite is true. Anyone who says this is, indeed, a

      political infant.” His remarks apply equally well to good intentions. And one such Western good

      intention may actually end up doing more harm than good.

      In the Western mind, the recent award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the Chinese dissident, Liu

      Xiaobo, was an unmitigated good. Several Western commentaries said the prize should be given

      to “individuals struggling against the overwhelming force of an oppressive state or an unjust

      social order.” In these pages, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Thorbjorn

      Jagland, compared Liu to Andrei Sakharov, another Nobel Peace Prize winner, who struggled

      against “human rights abuses in the Soviet Union.”

      Many Chinese, however, believe that the award of the Peace Prize to Liu could well do more harm

      than good. Few Chinese intellectuals, inside or outside China, have celebrated the award, publicly

      or privately. They do not believe that a candle has been lit for freedom. Instead, this award may

      set back the steady progress toward more personal freedom in China. This inability of the West to

      understand that there may be an alternative point of view could well create a major problem for

      the world.

      Over the past 30 years, the Chinese government has done far more good than harm both for China

      and the world. The largest poverty-reduction exercise in human history was achieved by the

      Chinese government. When Deng Xiaoping launched his famous reforms in 1978, over 800

      million people lived in absolute poverty. Today, fewer than 200 million do. Over 600 million

      were lifted out of absolute poverty.

      For this achievement alone, Deng should have earned the Nobel Peace Prize. But he did far more.

      He took great political risks in opening up China. He allowed foreign investment and opened up

      China to Western influence. He sent hundreds of thousands of young Chinese to study in Western

      universities. He did all this aware that they could come back with ideas that could undermine the

      Chinese system. It is hard to think of any other recent leader who has been as courageous as Deng.

      Before him, the Chinese had no freedom to leave their villages, let alone leave China. Today, over

      40 million Chinese leave China freely each year. And they return to China freely each year. China

      today is at least one thousand times less oppressive than it used to be.

      So why was Deng not considered for the Nobel Prize? One word: Tiananmen. Tiananmen was a

      mistake. But the West has double-standards when it comes to judging human-rights violations. It

      does not condemn American society because it violated every canon of human rights by being the

      first modern Western society to reintroduce torture. Instead, it sees Guantánamo as a blemish

      that should not take away from all the good that American society has done. The same judgment

      should apply to Deng: Tiananmen was a blemish that should not take away from all the good that

      Deng had done.

      Equally importantly, the West needs to understand that for Deng to achieve all the good he did

      for China, he had to maintain social and political order even as Chinese society opened up

      dramatically to the world. In the Western political imagination, the march to progress is made by

      steadily weakening the state and enlarging individual freedom. In the Chinese political

      experience, the weakening of the Chinese state has inevitably led to chaos and enormous personal

      suffering. There can be no doubt that the past 30 years since Deng’s reforms began have been the

      best 30 years that the Chinese have experienced since the Opium War of 1842.

      One reason for this is that the Chinese government managed to find the right balance between

      opening up society and maintaining order — and that in a country of 1.3 billion people.

      The Nobel award to Liu could upset the delicate political balance in China by stirring up a “color

      revolution,” reintroducing chaos to China and setting it back 150 years. That, in turn, could lead to

      an overreaction by the Chinese government and a clampdown on the many personal freedoms the

      Chinese people have gained in recent decades. In short, the Liu award could generate less, not

      more, personal freedom.

      Over time, China will become a democracy, especially when it develops the world’s largest middle

      class. However, it is likely to get there faster if the present balance of rapid economic

      transformation and gradual political transformation is maintained. Few Chinese believe that the

      West is trying to do China any good by trying to accelerate the political transformation. Indeed,

      most Chinese believe that the Western agenda is to unleash the same chaos in China as it did with

      instant democracy in Russia. When Jagland compared Liu to Sakharov, he confirmed the Chinese

      conviction that the goal of this prize is to destabilize China. If the West persists in its refusal to

      understand China’s fundamental concerns, it will do more harm than good with its good

      intentions.

      Kishore Mahbubani is dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National

      University of Singapore

  • The Mervyn Silva

    One more voice here saying no problem with your writing or style. Continue continue!

    I am hearing so many voices now! Thanking you the Sohan and the Humanist.

    And the Ram, no hard feelings, I am wishing I can be sending you the flying kiss of goodwill but unfortunately after saving the land and nation from the cruel, monstrous and most ruthless terrorist group in the world and universe we are becoming so much more Buddhist than the Buddha no kissing is allowed here except in the darkness, out of sight and behind the scenes.

  • yapa

    Nobel Peace Prize seemed to found its real target in recent times. Last year it was for a newly elected head of a state, who was hypothetically chosen to render a great service to world peace. His future action was assessed and the prize was award him.This year it is for person who has opposed to a state that has rendered a great service to its people by lifting the living standards of them from poverty to great heights.

    This double standard is another example for the ugly dualistic face of the west.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    China also was a country that was dragged into misery from the past glory by foreign invasions and colonizations of imperialism. In the path of its success story to development its ideology invariably would go against the ideologies developed in the imperialistic world developed for their own benefit. As the imperialism is perishing, none cannot stop the decaying of its ideologies. That is the decline, west is experiencing in many facets. Therefore the political ideologies of the west is deteriorating and it is obvious that the political ideologies represented by China are gaining ground indicated by their economic success, China becoming the featest ever growing economy of the world. To avoid the envisaged misery, west does everything. Inflating their friends, puling legs of the competitors is one of their strategies. For this they move their pawns in the both camps giving them all sorts of bribes and facilities. That is the present role of the Nobel Peace Prize too.

    A dissident of the fastest growing economy of the world is a friend of Peace Prize awarders. Doesn’t it show that awarders consider that economy as a foe?

    Thanks!

  • ordinary lankan

    Dear Dr Dayan

    it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without rejecting it. Now that is Aristotle since you are so interested in NAMES.

    If you really want to engage in a serious dialogue here please try and come to terms with the fact that NAMES may not have the same importance and significance to others. In these pages we are all equal. Yes strange as it may seem to a person like you finds it difficult to drop the garbage bag that ignorant human beings carry – collecting this and that.

    Of course you know that i have expressed my admiration of your heroic deeds. but get rid of the notion that that is going to give you an eternal indemnity to go around and misbehave and insult people who are exercising a perfectly democratic and legitimate right to express views anonymously

    For my part I care not a tinker’s cuss for NAMES. In fact I am sincerely opposed to the large scale name dropping and attempts to impress that you indulge in by citing all kinds of NAMES. In fact I am heartily sick of it. It is very rarely that i give anyone a piece of my mind but you have kindly breached the limit.

    so please try and get over this problem – we are interested in communication and we deeply appreciate your presence here.

  • veedhur

    Fortunately I am in the habit of (occasionally) reading serious, quality material such as Foreign Policy magazine which (according to Dr.Dayan Jayathilake is one of the most respected publications in the world. (the rest of the time I read the Mervyn so keep the going!!)

    This is what it had to say about Liu ( listed as 16 in the same list from which Dayan had extracted the Mahubhani details)

    16. Liu Xiaobo
    for bearing the flame of 1989 into a new generation.

    POLITICAL PRISONER | CHINA

    When Liu Xiaobo learned of his 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, he wept and told his wife — who was visiting him in remote Jinzhou prison, where the dissident writer has been serving an 11-year sentence — that he was dedicating the award to “the lost souls” of Tiananmen Square, whose protest back in 1989 turned the soft-spoken professor into a political activist.

    Liu had agreed to help write Charter 08, a manifesto for Chinese civil rights modeled on the Soviet-era Charter 77, in a similar act of selflessness, knowing it would get him in trouble. Two days before its publication, on Dec. 8, 2008, he was detained and thrown into a windowless cell. A year later he was convicted of “incitement to subvert state power.”

    It wasn’t the first time Liu had been jailed; his first confinement followed his participation in the Tiananmen demonstrations. Yet more than two decades of suffering have not broken his spirit or blurred his convictions. “To block freedom of speech is to trample on human rights, to strangle humanity, and to suppress the truth,” Liu told the court before his sentencing.

    China’s state media have characterized the Nobel only as a tool of Western propagandists, and live feeds of CNN and the BBC went black during the prize’s announcement. But the word is getting out, and it’s not just the Nobel Peace Prize committee that thinks China will eventually have to reckon with Liu’s ideas.

  • veedhur

    Aday! Foreign Policy also Lists at 46 in the same top 100 Global Thinkers, Kwame Anthony Appiah – probably, according to FP, one of the best thinkers around.

    Coincidently – he is the one who nominated Liu for the Nobel Peace Prize! (which you can read at http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/10/08/why_i_nominated_liu_xiaobo )

    And about Kwame FP says :
    for forging a code of ethics to fit a globalized world.

    PHILOSOPHER, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY | PRINCETON, N.J.

    Once described as “our postmodern Socrates,” Kwame Anthony Appiah has this year turned to the big subject of the social uses of honor around the world: His 2010 book, The Honor Code, documents how it has been used to bring about “moral revolutions” — the end of abhorrent practices such as slavery and foot-binding — in the past, and how it can be used to end present evils such as honor killings. “You have to figure out how to get honor to concede to morality,” the Princeton University professor said recently. “My thought is: Don’t abandon honor; reshape it.” It’s this unabashedly activist posture that sets Appiah — who wrote an eloquent letter nominating Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo for the Nobel Peace Prize — apart from many of his colleagues. In fitting abstract concepts to the changing demands of the modern world, he is trying to make philosophy relevant again.

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    Hey guys, just wanted to brighten up your Sunday, and give you a heads up on way things are going and just how way out you folk are. Here’s an extract from an interview given to the Sunday Leader ( no government rag) by Sajith Premadasa ( no govt politician) :

    “Q: You said in Parliament that war crimes had only been committed by the LTTE. What is your comment on Deputy Leader Karu Jayasuriya’s interview published in a weekend newspaper?
    A: I’m not privy to the context and circumstances in which Karu Jayasuriya’s pronouncement or statement was made. I don’t know the minute details. I’ve always maintained my stance. This didn’t grow from yesterday or the day before. It was my policy decision right from the beginning and will remain so. This proposal was put forward by myself in fact, and has become party policy; to protect the armed forces and the defense establishment that so courageously annihilated the LTTE after more than three decades.

    Q: In that sense, you condemn the UN war crimes probe?
    A: As far as war crimes are concerned, I don’t think the UN has taken a balanced approach. It has taken a partial discriminatory approach when it comes to the defense establishment. The UN is supposed to be impartial and balanced, not politically prejudicial and discriminatory. I admit the UN performs a magnanimous role in making society healthy and peaceful, but I have great reservations on its motives and actions on the war probe.”

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Yapa,

    I am feeling the pain you are also feling about the Western peoples and their prizes. But I am telling you, there is solution very soon. I am advising the president Our Majesty to be starting our own prize, just to to be rubbing the nose of the West in the dirt adn show them what they are doing we can be doing better. There is enough money in hte countryside for this. If we are making big kiri bath for world record we can be making having big prize for bigger record to be making country famous. And our people are very happy to be going without the food and the education for on ewhole year to be colecting the money and only the traitor funded by the diaspora Tigers are against it. We are going to be caling this prize the Raja-prize and please, no prize for guessing after who the prize is named.

    They are saying the charity is beginning in the home so we are starting from the home side. His Majesty is getting peace prize for bringing the Just Peace to the country when the Prabhakaran is asking just for the Piece of the country. There is no prize for the physics but we are giving prize for the physique. That also Our Majesty is getting because everybody agreeing he is having the best physique. Everybody is able to be seeing it these days as he is always showing off walking around wearing nothing and we are all standing around not saying aything about having no clothes but just admiring physique. Chemistry prize also going to president for finding right formula for keeping the people in the sleep for ever and ever. There is another new prize, for War and that is going to the Gota, the brother of Our Majesty, for winning the War single handed. Earleir we are winning it double handed with the Fonseka but now that the Fonseka is calling everybody bandicoot and going to the Welikada side we are only having single hand victory. But before giving the prize to the Gota we are showing it to the Fonseka to be making him jealous and hoping that the jealousy is making him do something stupid to himself because it is so irritating to be keeping the bandicoot in the prison. Another new one for IT and the Basil the other brother of Our Majesty is getting it for the gilmarts he is developing during election time.

    At this stage only three prizes going out of the home side. I am getting prize for medicine because I am also doctor. The prize for the literature is going to the Dayan (who is also doctor) for all the crispy stories he is writing. Economic prize going to the Cabral from the bank for the magic he is doing with the statisics to be showing the country is emerging wonderfuly, not just wandering madly in the Asian side.

    And, by the wayside, I am teling the president some people complaining about my writings in the Groundviews and the president is patting me on the backside and lauging and saying, the Mervyn, only the Sanjana can be stopping you and only I can be stopping the Sanjana and you are all knowing very well that nobody can be stopping me!

    • MV

      @ The Mervyn Silva
      haha…
      Now days I am turning the King Palace side (Temple Trees) if I am wanting the laughter.

  • citizen

    last time Nobel peace price was ‘won’ by Obama, i thought in this time it would be given to MR.
    i wonder about da selection criteria.

  • Bundoora

    The Mervyn silva ,

    what can i say Mervyn , this is a classic , it says every thing in a very hilarious and sarcastic manner , if one summed it up, it says about the current state of affairs in sri lanka , i.e the king , the war and the Jilmart (only clown prince is missing there)
    Mervyn you are a fine example for those who assume that they are well above the average reader and tried their level best to impress and mislead with unwarranted , unnecessary jargon , when you can just deliver the message in a witty way , indeed a slap in the face for attention seekers !!!!
    Way to go Mervyn , keep up good work.

  • Observer

    soo umm.. this guy gets Nobel Peace Price and SPC Bradley Manning gets jail time and possibly torture?
    soo umm.. Obama gets Nobel Peace Price while waging 2 illegal wars while Julian Assange is being hunted?

    You know who’s prize it is 🙂 I can’t believe you guys get off on this! Eat it up.. it’s delicious cake!

  • Observer

    We live in a world where the self proclaimed heroes have painted their own villains. But the fabric of the heroes capes are decaying…majority of the people root for guys like Assange in silence for exposing what their government does while they’re too busy hunting them down like China dissents on its critics!

    Using something that is meant to be prestigious for political sucker punches? Where is the value in this award now? do you really think China will lose sleep over the Nobel Peace Price? Please… I bet these fellows in the panel gave each other a pat in the back afterwards and said.. We showed them Chinese! sigh…

    • veedhur

      @observer “do you really think China will lose sleep over the Nobel Peace Price?”

      apparently they did, given the enormous pressure they seem to have brought on the countries to refrain from voting. !

  • longus

    East vs West

    East always ruled in the past, albeit the last 300odd years, due to a mere coincidence of history.

    China lost it’s lead after the Chinese Emperor stopped all naval expeditions in 1420’s. Sheng He came to conquer Sri Lanka with 200 warships, and 20,000 sailors!

    China will rule the world in less than 50 years. Nobody can stop it. It will be the total antithesis of a Western democracy though. An oppressive monolithic regime. But that will be the future super power.
    The attempts by the West to teach lessons to China will be like passing flatus to China!

    You don’t need a Nostradamus to predict this!

  • ordinary lankan

    The west is dying
    and giving prizes
    to stay alive

    intellectualism
    is dying
    and praising
    dictators
    to stay alive

    but humour lives
    hurrah for the mervyn!

  • Krish

    Longus,

    Agree with most of what you say, except that China would eventually let its people have more power in the years to come. And they are a very smart country and will learn from the mistakes of western nations. They would hopefully not invade countries like the way the west colonialized in the last 300 or 400 years. And being a superpower also means that you will spend large amount of money on energy, security etc and China has 3 or 4 times that population of US. It would be interesting to watch how things turn out in the next two or three decades.

  • Heshan

    There was a Sri Lankan who won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2008:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/3341101/Sri-Lankan-Nobel-Prize-winner-People-can-make-a-difference-to-climate-change.html

    So for the patriots who think the Chinese were treated unfairly, China will become a superpower in 50 yrs, Julian Assange did this and that, are worried about war crimes investigations, etc… this prize has nothing to do with any of that. The prize is purely merit-based. There is no international conspiracy here (past winners include Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa).

  • Heshan

    Krish:

    They would hopefully not invade countries like the way the west colonialized in the last 300 or 400 years.

    Have you forgotten about Tibet? The Chinese are way worse than the West; their way of dealing with dissent is to line the person up before a firing squad or send in the tanks/troops, as at Tiananmen. Then again, the Chinese don’t pretend to care about democracy, so this is a relative judgment.

    By the way, did you know that the Dalai Lama has denied been a visa to SL, on several occasions? Unfortunately, patriots like Wimal and Mervyn – Wimal actually went to China – have probably never even heard of Tibet or the Dalai Lama.

    P.S: Also, China was never happy with the independence of Taiwan.

  • The Mervyn Silva

    The Bundoora,

    Thank you for your enouraging words. As you can be seeing I am not just the pretty face.

  • ordinary lankan

    Seriously, I am worried about the position that we are going to occupy in the coming idelogical battle. Democracy is being challenged by China and the Americans are being done in by Al Qaeda – simply by inducing them to invest more and more in the loss of their own freedoms. all they need to do is just fail to explode a bomb and billions are spent on homeland security. America today is paranoid about terrorism. The Indian ambassador to sri lanka was body searched in an american airport – there is a strong streak of self destuction here. Then there is Europe – amazing achievement of collective work. all in all I say that western democracy cannot be written off. america will be the lunatic fringe but the ideal is too important to ditch.

    This is more so because India itself is championing it.

    a good part of our post 1815 inheritance is western values – and our immediate ancestors worked faithfully to build the systems under which we were born and educated. This is now a part of our culture. There is something criminal about the way that this culture of tolerance and freedom is being taken away – overtly by the Dr Mervyn types and covertly by a lot more people. MR really does not seem to believe in anything other than the advancement of his family and the enthronement of his son. all the rest is bullshit. and then there are a lot of useful and educated idiots who believe or choose to believe in this patriotic crap and are unwittingly destroying the culture of democratic governance. This is not ingratitude for the achievment of MR and his team – we want that victory to have a broader meaning than the giant sized image of MR and his giant shadow under which a lot people are taking cover – and mind you that is far worse than taking cover behind a pseudonym. It is rank cowardice – the failure of objectivity in speaking out against the absolutist dictatorship we are now confronted with.

    we can side with China – I see no issues with that – but we would be stupid to burn our boats with the west – because we share some common democratic values – something we dont share with china – and because they cannot be written off yet.

    this is how I see our ideological mistake – we have taken the burma road – the zimbabwe road and north korea road – forgetting who we are and forgetting the enormous faith and sacrfices made by generations to build whatever we had before the war and whatever that helped us see the war through.

    The armed forces are not the only people who built this country – there were and are others – lets recover our perspective because all this hallucination and juvenile thinking and self indulgence has become way too costly for our future generations to pay.

    sometimes loyalty to my country demands that I dissent.

    • SD

      Dear Ordinary Lankan,

      Very well put and I whole-heartedly agree. This whole “eastern-values” vs “western-values” rubbish is a false dichotomy which will set us back by a few centuries. What matters is not where the values come from, but whether they are meaningful and in line with a 21st century understanding of human values and morality.

      At the end of the day, it should be about freedom and responsibility, and the best examples are displayed only in (western) democracies, whatever shortcomings they may have. Who can deny this? Just because something is not perfect (what in the world is? We humans always have, and always will, have to battle our primitive demons), it doesn’t mean any other dumb alternative is equally praiseworthy.

      Some may argue that a one-family dictatorship is a stepping stone towards a democracy. Maybe so, I’d love to be convinced. But sooner or later, democracy is what we must head towards, unless we desire to remain vassals in a 21st century monarchy.

    • rajivmw

      Dear Ordinary Lankan,

      Wonderfully said. I think there are fundamentally two views of democracy.

      There are people who see democracy as a means to end – if it can put food on their table, provide them security, and safeguard their traditional beliefs and way of life, then well and good. Otherwise, there are other options to be tried.

      Then there are those who see democracy as an end in itself. As the embodiment in law of individual liberty and freedom, which they conceive to be the ultimate goals of the human stuggle.

      There are tensions between these views even in the most advanced western democracies. I would wager that a majority of Sri Lankans at this time belong in the means-to-an-end camp. This is surely understandable.

      But like you, I fear that this mindset may be facilitating a horrible mistake – that we might be dreaming of a China or Singapore or Malaysia, but may wake up with a Burma or Zimbabwe.

      Maybe we will come to realize the true value of democracy only if we have to someday fight for it.

  • Sri

    I refer to the comments made by Dr Dayan Jayathilake.
    As reported by Dayan the name of Kisore Mahbubani, appears as the 92nd name among the top 100 Global Thinkers compiled by the Foreign Policy Magazine for being the voice of new Asian Century.

    I was surprised to find the name of Liu xia Obo,the Chinese dissident who has won the Nobel Prize for Peace this year was also in the same list as the 16th name among the top 100 Global Thinkers for bearing the flame of 1989 into new generation.

    He may lead the reformers like what our own Sajith Premadasa has recently done to UNP and reform China with Democracy and Human Rights as Kisore hopes!

    I was thrilled and searched further, but was disappointed not to find the name of Dr Dayan Jayathilake among the distinguished personalities.

    But I have no doubt the Cuban authorities if and when they compile such a list will definitely honour DJ

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    If I only knew Sri’s name, or at least his surname, I too could have looked for it on the Foreign Policy list :))

  • Dr Dayan Jayatilleka

    Dilkusha also calls Prof Mahbubani ” a humble and unassuming individual” quite unlike DJ. Well, as for ‘ humble and unassuming’, I wonder whther she’s got the right person, because that’s hardly the Kishore Mahbubani I have met, and I don’t know the Singaporean circles she moves around in but that’s a new one! The reader’s can make their own judgement by accessing the website of the Lee Kwan yew school, or prof M’s Facebook page. And I speak as an admirer and supporter, not a critic.

    I also like to share with GV readers a paragraph that appeared in the New Statesman piece by Sholto Byrnes, on the Nobel Prize debate and KM’s intervention, which quotes Philip Bowring. Does the (unfair) depiction of Prof Mahbubani sound familiar?

    “Mahbubani conveniently omits to mention the matter of the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. If it were possible to leave that aside, then a strong case for Deng’s period of office could be made. But it isn’t, which makes the suggestion grotesque and gratuitously offensive. Also on Asia Sentinel, the International Herald Tribune columnist and former Far Eastern Economic Review editor, Philip Bowring, puts Mahbubani smartly right, calling his comments about dissidents “just the sort of half-truth that one expects from Singapore apologists for authoritarian regimes similar to their own. It also reflects Singapore’s attempts to appear ultra-Asian while aligning its economic and strategic interests with the west.”

  • ordinary lankan

    ego trips
    start with self
    end with self satisfaction

    is this all
    we know?