Comments on: For the record: Full text of Supreme Court judgement on 18th Amendment https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment Journalism for Citizens Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:01:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Walter https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-46767 Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:01:04 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-46767 We do not need too many technical and legal exploration on this 18th.amendment.
It is very simple, we are a disgraceful Nation allowing one man to dictate and subjucate our in alien rights.
This Country stands out as one of the only Countries in the world of 193 Nations that has the resilience to submit itself to be trampled by Democratic means. AFTER ALL THE 18th. AMENDMENT WAS PASSED BY PARLIAMENT.
Try and evaluate reasons which keeps this Government together?
You may not have the time, you may have not suffered the consequences of this thinking.
If somebody responds to me I will do my best within my limited scope to highlight the GENETIC CODE which tie these masses.
I want to feel satisfied that there are citizens who without bias want to get to this analytical position.

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By: Groundviews https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-32875 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:14:11 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-32875 “The timeline… reflects both the genesis of the heinous 18th Amendment and also the occasions mainstream press reported that the President attended / “visited” Parliament.

It was no easy task to compile this. Only a handful ordinary citizens would have the expertise to search for this information online, or elsewhere. There is no easy record retrieval of the President’s attendance in Parliament on its official website. But what is immediately obvious when the scattered media reports are taken as a whole is that the 18th Amendment has in no way at all contributed to a more accountable Executive. ”

Excerpt from ‘Months after the 18th Amendment: Is the Executive really more accountable to Parliament?’, http://groundviews.org/2011/06/11/months-after-the-18th-amendment-is-the-executive-really-more-accountable-to-parliament/

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By: Idealist? https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-23149 Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:32:57 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-23149 And if all you care about is what happens in 1, 2, or 3 weeks, good for you!!! But it looks like some of your fellow-citizens take a longer view of things!

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By: Idealist? https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-23148 Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:32:08 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-23148 Realist, please note Thiruvananthanpuram’s quote: “The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.” Perhaps 52*n weeks later you may see some change…!

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By: Realist https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-23137 Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:52:36 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-23137 I thought the country was going to end? It’s been a week and we’re still here!

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By: Arosha Bandara https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-23035 Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:41:03 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-23035 I agree with Sohan that it would be useful to have access to the documents he listed, together with some guidance on what is permissible in terms of public discussion of the process used to enact the 18th Amendment.

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By: Thiruvananthapuram https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-22962 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:39:08 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-22962 “The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.”

It is indeed terrifying and demoralizing to see the backward slide of our nation from a democracy to a dictatorship. We have never seen, in the course of our history, the likes of such unprincipled governance and self seeking deception by a leadership cloaked in the finery of patriotism and national interest.

Even more distressing is the timidity and servility of the majority of the legislature, judiciary, public sector, private sector, religious institutions and media in expressing their very serious misgivings over the craftily concocted interpretations provided by the state in defending the proposed changes.

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By: Sohan Fernando https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-22955 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:44:14 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-22955 I seem to recall a big hue and cry and accusations of “contempt of court”, when there was some public academic discussion in the media, about some judgment (maybe it was the Tissainayagam judgment?) sometime ago. If I recall right, even some anti-discussion statements by some members of the BASL 🙁

So for that reason, it’d be good if we’re reliably informed what kind of discussion is clearly permissible (and what, instead, is a gray area, and what is “black”). I mean, what kind of discussion, here on Groundviews, about this Determination. (Although, I do hope my question/comment doesn’t lead to the discussion going off-topic; GV: if you think it likely, pls feel free to remove this post.)

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By: Sohan Fernando https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-22954 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:38:48 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-22954 (A bit of a long comment but hopefully of use.) It seems to me that, to best understand this judgment/Determination, it’d be helpful to have certain other official documents too: especially The Constitution itself; and also probably at least the first few, if not all, of my numbered list below.

So I’ve tried to find online versions, and found some. I’m fairly sure these links I’ve suggested ARE the correct and official ones, but disclaimer: these are correct only to the best of my “legal-field limited” knowledge, and are provided only with my best intentions. Perhaps Groundviews could check the accuracy and then confirm, before aproving this comment?

1) The Constitution with all the amendments (upto and including the 17th) included:
* background/general info/other info: http://www.parliament.lk/about_us/constitution.jsp
* the Constitution itself, the version which includes 17th Amendment: http://www.parliament.lk/about_us/constitution.pdf

2) Parliament’s standing orders:
* background info: http://www.parliament.lk/about_us/standing_orders.jsp
* the Standing Orders document itself: http://www.parliament.lk/about_us/Standing_Orders_English.pdf
Relevant due to the arguments brought up by some petitioner(s), and a point of order raised by some Members (Sumanthiran; & probably also Ravi K & Ranil W), regarding Provincial Councils (more info at http://transcurrents.com/tc/2010/09/18th_constitutional_amendment.html )

3) The 17th Amendment itself, might be useful (since the judgment/Determination refers to it and/or some of its provisions) :
* http://www.priu.gov.lk/Cons/1978Constitution/SeventeenthAmendment.html
* But is there an (official) PDF version, easier to read and/or print?

4) The “18th Amendment” version which this judgment/Determination refers to. That is, I would assume, the one that was presented to the Supreme Court (and the petitioners) at the time that Court proceedings began, as I understand (disclaimer: my understanding may be mistaken).
Is there an official copy of this available to us members of the public?

5) The “absolutely final” 18th Amendment version:
According to http://www.dailymirror.lk/print/index.php/news/front-page-news/20995-161-in-favour-and-17-against-.html , “Several amendments were introduced to the 18th Amendment during the committee stage of the debate in parliament yesterday.” … and ” … “The amendments were presented by House Leader Nimal Siripala De Silva”

I assume, then, that THIS is the version that was “voted upon” and (assuming that one accepts the legitimacy of the proceedings) was passed. If so, is there a copy of that available to us? This would be a later version than 4) above.

6) 18th Amendment, earlier DRAFT version: The version/draft which is earlier than 4) above.
I.e., as best as I understood from recent news coverage, it was the day before (or, the evening/night before?) the Court proceedings, that an earlier draft of the 18th Amendment was sent to the Court and was also made available to the petitioners (or the few petitioners who got to know about it on time). While again recognizing that my understanding may be mistaken, my understanding is that the petitioners (or anyone else of the public, I assume) had only had access to THIS version (draft), until Court proceedings began. Perhaps it would be useful if we of the public can also see this version — is it available?

(Gosh, we public sure are asking for a lot aren’t we, whining citizenry that we are!)

Aside: when using these for the purpose of better understanding/reading the judgment/Determination itself, I would suppose that 5) and 6) are not as relevant as 4). Although, 5) in particular, is certainly somewhat relevant.

7) Miscellaneous, and possibly a bit way out except to the more Law-Savvy among you:

* Ideally, it’d also be good to have available copies of all other documents referred to in the Determination; e.g., other judgments cited. (e.g., to understand the original context of such citations.)

* Suitable summaries of the petitioners’ arguments. (e.g. Groundview’s post of http://www.groundviews.org/2010/09/02/the-18th-amendment-to-the-constitution-process-and-substance/ )
Ideally, also, original full copies of those arguments; I guess that’d be their written submissions or whatever they’re called, and hopefully transcripts of what they actually said.

* anything else?

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By: Justin https://groundviews.org/2010/09/10/for-the-record-full-text-of-supreme-court-judgement-on-18th-amendment/#comment-22943 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:51:16 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4123#comment-22943 The Sinhalese, with their egoistic anti-Tamil culture, passed unilaterally a Constitution for the island in 1972, without Tamil participation, to become one country Sri Lanka(SL), inspite of united Tamil protests. SL was “British dominion of Ceylon” prior to that event.

Therefore, Constitution of SL is meaningless to Tamils; something forced down their throats. This undemocratic venture of the Sinhalese was unpunished but rewarded by Britain, the former colonial master and the West. Instead, the West offered “Sweets” !

Consequently, there was no remorsefulness for the evil and undemocratic act. Things started to worsen democratically.

In its journey on semi-totalitarianism against Tamils, the Sinhalese, corporately, took away the freedoms and rights of people of Tamil Eelam(TE), a de facto state, established after the people of TE mandated in 1977 democratically to liberate it.

Internal political agreements with the people of TE were repeatedly and deliberately violated. Human Rights and Humanitarian law conventions by the UN, to which SL was a signatory were deliberately violated.

All these unconstitutional and undemocratic manifestations by the governments were received by the Sinhalese with cheers and jubilations because they were beneficiaries and their Sinhala ego was boosted, a reason why Mahinda Rajapakse was given majority in the last elections.

Now Rajapakse has decided to knock at the door of Sinhalese with Totalitarianism and the 18th amendment to the constitution is the first step.

What the Sinhalese did unto Tamils has come upon themselves.

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