Comments on: The Death of Democracy in Sri Lanka https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka Journalism for Citizens Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:15:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Groundviews https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-32880 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:15:15 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-32880 “The timeline… reflects both the genesis of the heinous 18th Amendment and also the occasions mainstream press reported that the President attended / “visited” Parliament.

It was no easy task to compile this. Only a handful ordinary citizens would have the expertise to search for this information online, or elsewhere. There is no easy record retrieval of the President’s attendance in Parliament on its official website. But what is immediately obvious when the scattered media reports are taken as a whole is that the 18th Amendment has in no way at all contributed to a more accountable Executive. ”

Excerpt from ‘Months after the 18th Amendment: Is the Executive really more accountable to Parliament?’, http://groundviews.org/2011/06/11/months-after-the-18th-amendment-is-the-executive-really-more-accountable-to-parliament/

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-23025 Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:47:37 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-23025 Or he can go to school, study hard and make something of him self.

You mean like the tens of thousands of unemployed university graduates?

Please give me some documents to work with here. Evidence.

Wow, you must be really in the dark. Danuna Tilakaratne became a millionaire practically overnight just through weapons commissions… doesn’t take a genius to figure out how much more the President (s) – now dictator (s) – son can make. Danuna would be a free man if SF hadn’t turn on MR – which means Namal, – who is an unqualified MP – is free to swindle and cheat for as long as imaginable. Of course we don’t know about all of his business ventures; a few, however, have been listed. I will provide further info if you really insist, although I doubt you’d be likely to ruffle the feathers of even the cook at Temple Trees, given your appalling one-track mind.

Where did you get the figures/data? Can you show me please?

I can’t teach you basic economics – no doubt the library has quite a few good books.
Well I can tell you sir, sir is a habit from the good ol’ colonial days. I’m pretty sure your ancestors working for the Brits had no 2nd thoughts to say SIR, SIR! WHY INDEED SIR! AT YOUR SERVICE SIR! ANYTIME SIR! lol

Actually Sri Lanka was better off under the British. Once the British left, and your Banda and his gang of yellow-robed Nazis took over, things went downhill pretty quickly. I realize, of course, how embarrassing it must be to have to admit that a bunch of foreigners were able to better administrate your *native* country than the locals, but that is the truth of the matter.

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-23012 Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:10:09 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-23012 Yes, thanks to Mahinda, the child has a great future. He can take the bus to his Odel day job and say “sir! sir!” a 1000 times a day to white tourists to collect his 1000 rupee salary.

Or he can go to school, study hard and make something of him self. Or he could become an entrepreneur and see where that would take him. Plus I dont think Odel is capable of providing such lucrative opportunities to the whole of next generation.
And 1000 Rupees? C’mon man, even beggars make more than 1000 Rupees a day. White tourists? Every time I’ve been there it has been more locals than “whites”! This tells me that you probably haven’t been to this country in over 10 years.

Meanwhile Namal Rajapakse can continue in his crooked business ventures, collecting millions off the commissions.

Please give me some documents to work with here. Evidence. If you give me some compelling, irrefutable material, I can tell you I can ruffle some feathers. If you’re in procession of these material get in touch with me. Or just go to your beloved tabloid TV station. Channel 4. They’d be more than happy to finally carry a news item with actual EVIDENCE! haha

The above actually illustrates a rather subtle point: Mahinda has not narrowed the economic gap, but expanded it.

Where did you get the figures/data? Can you show me please?

This is a direct result of his economic policy; e.g. borrowing from the IMF, which requires “austerity measures” that are then placed on the poor people. Or else, awarding huge development contracts to China and India. Unemployment does not increase consumer spending! Without adequate consumer spending, the economy simply stagnates and more people end up taking “sir sir” type jobs.

Well I can tell you sir, sir is a habit from the good ol’ colonial days. I’m pretty sure your ancestors working for the Brits had no 2nd thoughts to say SIR, SIR! WHY INDEED SIR! AT YOUR SERVICE SIR! ANYTIME SIR! lol

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-23009 Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:42:23 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-23009 SomewhatDisgusted, I cannot disagree with you entirely. Good governance must of course go hand in hand with sustainable economic policy. Let me somewhat be clear as to where I stand. Throughout the years I was standing in a Sri Lanka where things were much gloomier. I remember dead bodies in the very streets I was travelling on, curfews, terrorist attacks, rationing, high food oil prices, war, mass picketing, epidemics, etc. etc. etc. None of which are pleasant things. These are my childhood/adolescence memories, despite the fact there were ample insulations for me to not feel any of the effects. For much of the past UNP has been in administration wilfully or neglectfully letting things go down the gutter. You’re worried about feudal monarchies now? I say what’s new man? What were Bandaranaiyekes & Senanaiyekes?? Do you think I’m all that surprised about Rajapaksas? Believe me, with or without the 18th amendment it’s going to be the same old Baila tune! Guy comes to power, he tries to hang on with all his limbs. Had Ranil won with 2/3rds majority he would have done exactly the same, in fact I argue that he would have gone a mile further and cancelled elections as well looking at his behaviour as the UNP party leader! I have had no reasons as yet to pull the gun out from under my bed. Believe me when I hear alarm bells I’m not going to bother with protests! As long as there are elections I don’t really care that much about the constitutional reforms as I said earlier, there are bigger issues that need attention. What I am expecting from the MR administration is stable governance with long term policies that support trade industries and also an ambitious effort to privatise majority of government institutions, especially utilities & services. Though the latter is being extremely wishful. My thinking for over coming endemic corruption & poor governance has a 2 pronged strategy.
1. Deregulate and privatise majority of government controlled services so that market demands will ensure their survival (or not) and efficiency. This will reduce taxation which means less money to be misused.
2. Provide adequate salaries for people that are entrusted with law enforcement and safeguarding institutions so that they have less motivation to accept bribes and compromise their integrity.
We can only even begin to think down these paths when we have a sufficient economy that can afford such reforms. Bottom line is I can assure you that even with the most elegant constitution out there it won’t mean ANYTHING as long as the people in charge of enacting it are going astray. So that is why I am not going to bother my self with something that is strictly on paper. After all Rajapaksa’s cannot stay at the helm without the people. If they cross the line their castle, rest assured will come down. This is why I feel if he is still endorsed by the people come a 3rd term I am in favour of him being re-elected so he can then carry out some long term strategies for turning around the nose dive we have been on for the last few decades. Quite frankly the current opposition is a joke and for me that is a more threatening situation than the 18th amendment! Problem is this is the sentiment shared by the majority of the people and I respect their decision. For those that want to be idealistic, get out there and justify an idealistic Western democracy to the people out there. To a bunch of people who’s values are not Western values. Try make a convincing case…wish you good luck! Otherwise sulking aint gonna do much.

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22918 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:12:11 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22918 All she cares is that now thanks to Mahinda she can at least get on the bus with her child without much worry of it blowing up!

Yes, thanks to Mahinda, the child has a great future. He can take the bus to his Odel day job and say “sir! sir!” a 1000 times a day to white tourists to collect his 1000 rupee salary. Meanwhile Namal Rajapakse can continue in his crooked business ventures, collecting millions off the commissions. The above actually illustrates a rather subtle point: Mahinda has not narrowed the economic gap, but expanded it. This is a direct result of his economic policy; e.g. borrowing from the IMF, which requires “austerity measures” that are then placed on the poor people. Or else, awarding huge development contracts to China and India. Unemployment does not increase consumer spending! Without adequate consumer spending, the economy simply stagnates and more people end up taking “sir sir” type jobs.

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By: SomewhatDisgusted https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22911 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:46:44 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22911 Dear Observer,

Believe me, I understand what you are trying to say perfectly well because I agree with your views that the prosperity of the rich should not be confused with the prosperity of the country, and that their needs trump the rest. I also agree with you that economic prosperity is a key part of the issue as that will automatically enable better education. I also do not subscribe to party politics as you know nor to the preservation of some elitist lifestyle, as the popularly vilified stereotype goes.

However, I also came to realize this: economic prosperity must go hand in hand with good governance. We can’t expect economic prosperity in a climate absolutely devoid of good governance, nor good governance in a climate devoid of economic prosperity. Why? I fear we will reach a limit to economic prosperity and be unable to go further due to the morally bankrupt nature of governance.

If we are more “educated and liberal in our views” as you suggest, then that also entails us with the burden of educating the less informed about the nature of the problem. It entails us with the burden of maintaining constitutional integrity. If the constitution is a worthless piece of paper, to be amended by spreading a fear psychosis to an ignorant populace, do you really feel that’ll be a recipe for any kind of prosperity?

The educated have a job too. And that job is to create debate, encourage critical thinking and inform the rest of the populace. If we simply throw up our hands and say that “mob rule” is what’s best, then we may well be resigning ourselves to the fact that we do not live in a 21st century democracy, but a 16th century monarchy with a few morsels and tidbits thrown off as scraps for the rest of us to feed on. It will be a very hollow prosperity indeed, if all integrity is flushed down the toilet and being in the good graces of the royal Rajapakses are the only thing that matters to living in a brain-washed, north-korean style dictatorship, forever singing Hosannas to the glorious eternal leader and forever unaware that the kings are destroying the moral fabric of the country and telling otherwise through the media.

Remember that this is as likely a scenario as a miraculous Lee Kuan Yew style recovery, and so far, I’m not convinced Rajapakse is any Lee Kuan Yew. That’s why I feel it’s best we hang on to the constitutional safeguards which remain without flushing them down the toilet. Of course, it’s a little too late now.

Tell me, do you feel that the present constitution is *really* the biggest problem preventing Rajapakse from achieving development in the next 8 years of his presidency? So are you sure we are focusing on the right things? What duties are ours as those belonging to the university educated (dare I say therefore also elitist in a way) minority? It surely can’t be keeping silent and/or wishful thinking of miracles from Rajapakse.

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22898 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:43:43 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22898 SomeWhatDisgusted, I agree with you and I am of the same view. I was simply mocking the fact that how people are so quick to call our democracy dead and then rekill it multiple times after that. But we have to constantly remind our selves we are just another person in the entire population. We may have Western influenced democratic ideals but if the not so “enlightened” majority wishes to worship their leadership for the good they done then they have much right as you and I like to see term limits enforced and executive powers devolved. Put simply just because we want to see something done a certain way, we have no right to impose that on others, though we may think we know better, simple because, we’re educated and more liberal in our views. For the majority of the people there are bigger more pressing issues than constitutional reforms. Some people couldn’t care less if they can still get their basic services delivered in a proper manner. Education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. We are so concerned with constitutional reforms because we’re in someways privileged to have the luxury to worry about such matters and most of us have direct impact due to our affiliations and ventures that we are stakeholders of. For the young mother waiting for hours at the rural bus stop to take her child to the dispensary, it doesn’t really make a difference. All she cares is that now thanks to Mahinda she can at least get on the bus with her child without much worry of it blowing up! I don’t know if you understand what I’m trying to say. I’m trying to describe the dynamics of this country and how a Western idealist democratic model simply does not make sense. Lot of people misguidedly think that once we get our democracy right then rest will fall into place. This is a huge fallacy.
Problem is even with wonderful checks and balances of all sorts in the constitution, the corrupt will form a conglomerate to steal money. We have a long long way to go before even addressing constitutional reform. I feel like that we’re constantly trying to build a perfect roof with no walls to hold it up. When it’s the foundations that we really should be working on. I won’t blame you if you say that the foundation is good governance, but it’s rather economic stability. A highly functional economy almost always deliver good governance one way or another. I am not even an economist… and this is what I have observed. That is why I am not really that worried about these amendments. I am really focused on something else.

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By: Sonal https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22839 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:24:35 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22839 “Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Love more, and all good things will be yours” — Swedish Proverb

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By: Asoka https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22803 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:37:09 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22803 “I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they’ll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they’ll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it’s the sand of the coliseum. He’ll bring them death – and they will love him for it. ” – Gladiator

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By: aminda https://groundviews.org/2010/09/07/the-death-of-democracy-in-sri-lanka/#comment-22800 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:35:19 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=4029#comment-22800 “when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” -Edmund Burke

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