Comments on: CHOGM 2013: A lie well told https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told Journalism for Citizens Mon, 09 Dec 2013 13:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Kumara https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56213 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 13:08:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56213 In reply to wijebahu.

It’s high time people like Wijebahu has to wake up. It’s not the Diaspora which is keeping sri lanka from moving ahead. The corruption and injustice keeping lanka from moving ahead. Diaspora can make only noise, if SLGOV genuinely attempt to resolve internal issues (I”m not talking about war etc etc, just the basic problem every sri lankan have) then we’ll be moving forward.

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By: pizza guy https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56204 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:48:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56204 In reply to Ajith.

I don’t think you can’t call yourself moderates 🙂

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By: pissek https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56203 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:45:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56203 In reply to Chamara.

The problem here is, it was not just the LTTE. Both LTTE and SL Gov. Both killed innocent people for their gain. You can’t run away from facts

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By: pissek https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56202 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:44:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56202 In reply to wijebahu.

Yeah you love chasing the ghost of LTTE na? Good luck, people like you will keep looters in power now and forever

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By: pissek https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56201 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:43:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56201 In reply to YOHAN.

How long are we talking here? 30 years? 100 years? Common man it’s been almost 5 years and instead of returning, some places houses are demolished and buildings eructed for military and their family on some poor farmers home. Army should not be withdrawn 100%. That’s not practical in any sovereign country but they should remain in barracks and let civilians live their normal life.

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By: pissek https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56200 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:38:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56200 There are many simple facts that Sri Lankans will never ever accept

1. Tamils were mistreated in Sri Lanka and that’s why LTTE was fuled by Tamils in this country

2. LTTE was ruthless terrorist outfit no doubt about it. But a democratically elected government behaved exactly the same way on their same people in north (Many will shout no no no our government didn’t)

3. Many Tamils in north wanna settle and live their normal life but military continuously used to disturb their day to day life (Military involved in almost everything in north, where it should need a civil management)

4. Government looting the country (both north and south) and people turn blind eye on it, because they love to see the ghost of LTTE is being chased (though there are no LTTE in this country anymore)

5. Many say we Sri Lanka won the war alone. Meh.. I doubt it. Sri Lanka won the war because countries like China, India, Russia, USA, Pakistan supplied weapons to SL Army. More than weapons valuable intelligence and cracking down ltte supporters and arms dealers abroad.

6. No need for federal in north, just let them live the life they wanna live and preserve the identity they wanna preserve. Nope we Sri Lankans won’t allow that because most of us want Tamils in north to mix up with us and lose their identity.

7. TN politicians shout like dogs but they won’t do a shit about Sri Lankan Tamils. Take Karunanithi for example, he controlled TN during 2009 end of war. You guys have no idea how he cooperated with congress to fool the public of TN and to help Sri Lanka proceed with offensive. But we will call him the leader of Toilet Nadu

Day by day we are walking into dark ages. Keep dreaming about a prosperous country but it’ll be a distance dream as long as you address the real issues in this country than chasing and resurrecting the ghosts of LTTE.

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By: Pragmatist2013 https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56089 Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:55:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56089 The authors poses a key question at the end — “Is David Cameron really interested in Sri Lanka’s human rights abuses or is he just trying to gain some votes back home?” As a Sri Lankan living in the west, my observation of events like CHOGM is that they are: 1) an absolute waste of time and money, 2) created to provide an opportunity for politicians from former colonial powers to relive their past OR showcase how much power and control they still had over their colonial subjects. I submit that NONE of these countries that now seek to castigate Sri Lanka are doing it for the right reasons. The motivations behind every single politician like David Cameron can be traced back to their alliances with diaspora Tamil Tiger outfits that are intent on destroying Sri Lanka by hook or by crook. The people of Sri Lanka have decided to move on beyond the war. Others should stick to cleaning their own stables.

I cannot find a single achievement that the colonial subject countries ever achieved through CHOGM, and I wonder what keeps CHOGM going. I am no fan of MR and his cronies who, despite some good stuff like expressways, are also slowly destroying SL by attacking the press and corrupting and dismantling the judicial system. However, MR was elected by the people of SL and “people deserve the leaders they elect”.

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By: Burning_Issue https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56086 Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:48:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56086 In reply to sach.

Such,

Let me make it clear, I do
not doubt your sincerity when you say Reconciliation; your intentions are
clear. However, my point of contention is about what is afoot in terms of
sinhalisation of North & East. One may say I am being pedantic and abrasive.
But such claims are being echoed from various sources including the
international NGOs. These actions are not incidental; they are being executed
with ulterior motive. This is not true Reconciliation that you would like to
espouse; rather it is aimed at weakening the preponderancy of the Tamils in
those areas resulting in eventual subjugation.

Even though vast majority
of the Tamils inside and outside abhorred the modus operandi of the LTTE, they
had no option but to pray for their survival even at a weakened level. This was
because; the Tamils feared that the last barrier was the LTTE preventing them
from being over run by the Sinhala. This fear is raw and omnipresent among the
Tamils; the post war actions of the GOSL has solidified this fear. You can see
this in manifestation with the NPC results; infrastructure developments have no
meaning to them but their security.

“Since Tamils came under
1983 they did wrong to themselves. You cant blame that on anybody.”

I wonder if the
predicament was reversed; how the Sinhala would have behaved! One man (VP) had
decided that he would be the king come what may. He decided that he would be
the judge, jury and executioner of many of his own kith and kin. He ordered the
killings of prominent Tamil intellectuals and politicians in order to promote
separatism. Yes you can equate VP to the entire Tamil population because we did
not stand up!

“That is why SL is
speaking about a reconciliation process. ?And now tell me what has tamils done
for reconciliation?”

Such, you should not take
people like me for idiots. I ask again what Reconciliation? MR set up the LLRC
commission only after pressure exerted from outside. The first UN resolution
was on the horizon. The LLRC interim recommendations were submitted while the commission
was afoot. No actions whatsoever were taken to implement any of them. The LLRC
Commission made reference to this very point when they made the final
submission. Are you being serious by saying that the government is talking
about reconciliation?

The second UN Resolution
was centered on the Recommendations of the LLRC Commission; yet, MR has been
dragging his feet; why? The simple answer is that those recommendations are
inimical to the demographic manipulations that are being carried out!

?”Has any tamil political
party made an apology for the people in south for suicide bombings? for
massacres at border villages? did they? ?2. did they make an apology for
bombing Dalada Maligawa ??3. Apology for massacres at Anuradhapura??4. Apology
for killing SL leaders?”

Hold your houses Such. Are
you equating the LTTE with the Tamil politicians? You may say that the TNA was
a proxy to LTTE. TNA had no choice; if they had refused, they would have been
done away with. A form of Tamil polity has survived because TNA played along
with the LTTE. I do not think that the TNA have anything to apologies for. GR
should not have ordered the summary executions of the surrendered LTTE
personnel; they should have been answerable. In their absence, you could do one
thing; you can ask for an apology from Karuna, Daya Master, and Pulliyan.

The Tamils have no reason
to apologies for to anyone as they have suffered from both angles. You listed many
incidents including “Dalada Maligawa” that LTTE bombed and maimed the southern
people. Do you have any idea as to what the SLA had done to the Tamils? It was
said, every time the LTTE bombed the South, it was in reprisal to a massacre
either in the North or East. I can give you a chronicle that chronologically
documented all the events for you to ponder.

However, I personally
abhor the killings and the suicide bombings in particular are inhumane and
despicable. The fanatical actions of VP cannot be condoned in any shape or
form.

?”what has Tamils done?”

Such, be reasonable! The
Tamils are not in power; the Sinhalese are! In spite of I will tell you what
they have done politically. They have invalidated the Vaddukkodai Resolution
for separation. The TNA Manifesto for NPC has clearly stipulated the united
nature of Sri Lanka. They have eschewed violence as modus operandi for fighting
for justice. Please tell me; isn’t this a mammoth shift away from the LTTE
platform?

?”Bringing false
allegations like?1. Genocide of 40,000?2. Ethnic cleansing?3. Cultural
genocide??4.”

Such; from zero civilian
casualty to 8,000 when challenged with evidences! How do you know how many
perished without a proper investigation? Why is GOSL reluctant to carry out an
investigation? You can put this issue to bed if MR were to investigate
completely transparently; what is stopping him from doing just that?

“Intern camps?And now what
has gov done??1. 13A?2. gave refuge to people coming from war zone providing
them with food, medical and a roof to live under.?3. Rehabilitation and release
of 14,000 cadres. ?4. Not only that gov provided food, medical and education
for Tamils living under LTTE for 30 years. ?Should gov do more? yes they
should!”

Such; I do recognize that
some effort was made in this regard. However, many abuses, rapes, and
disappearances have been documented. If only, a South African style Truth and
Reconciliation sessions were to take place with international facilitation, one
would come to know as to what really went on. The sexual violence and raping of
hapless Tamil women is despicable. After all, they did the same to their own
kith and kin during the JVP era; one cannot be incredulous that they did not do
it to the Tamils!

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By: sach https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56069 Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:32:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56069 In reply to Burning_Issue.

what I meant in my comment for Ajith is, whatever the provacation is we should achieve reconciliation. In case you fail to understand what i meant again

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By: Burning_Issue https://groundviews.org/2013/11/17/chogm-2013-a-lie-well-told/#comment-56070 Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:32:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=13838#comment-56070 In reply to Dutugamunu.

The Sinhala should think about accommodating the Tamils with absolute equality and not attempting to subjugate them!

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