Please stick to the point in the article off the cuff, no one is interested in you having a one up on other members to massage your ego

The discussion is on devolution, if you have something sensible then say it, if not move along, please don’t use GV as a place to try and improve your self worth
GV is the last bastion of good reporting left in Lanka, I would like to see it continue and inspire others who have become servants to the regime to wake up and not be a ego massager for you off the cuff

Dear ‘J Fernando’,

You wrote “I have commented extensively and widely against people who are for separatism, including Usha”

Really? Really? Really?

Let’s see how that stands up to inquiry shall we?

There is a very popular article on GroundViews which is still drawing comments (176 comments and counting) written by Padraig Coleman and Irishman. http://groundviews.org/2013/05/28/sri-lankas-numbers-game/)

Usha wrote the FIRST comment on 05/28/2013 • 6:04 am. It was FULL of LIES and DECEPTION.
(http://groundviews.org/2013/05/28/sri-lankas-numbers-game/#comment-53417)

I wrote the SECOND comment on 05/28/2013 • 9:30 am and exposed her Lies.
(http://groundviews.org/2013/05/28/sri-lankas-numbers-game/#comment-53421)

You rushed to DEFEND Usha on 05/28/2013 • 4:21 pm.
(http://groundviews.org/2013/05/28/sri-lankas-numbers-game/#comment-53437)

Since then you posted the following 05/29/2013 • 4:23 pm, In defence of Usha.

The author Padraig Colman says
Usha: I have tried several times to read this but the screaming capitals give me a migraine. J Fernando thinks I am trying to censor you when i reply to you so I will let you have the last word and not comment on this.

This 176 post thread carries 2 comments from you and a multitude of comments from Usha. BOTH of your comments are in defence of Usha and you unashamedly claims you have commented EXTENSIVELY and WIDELY against her!

Your Very First Post appeared in May 2013.

If anyone can believe what you say, then they can believe that Pigs Fly and Cows Jump over the Moon too.

Good Luck convincing the GV readership of your bonafide about your ethnicity, your religion and your integrity.

Kind Regards
OTC

Dear Aia,

You claimed that “The best thing about Indo-Lanka pact was is its enactment as 13th Amendment into the constitution”

When you say “BEST” the question arises Best for WHO?
Is it for the Tamils?
Is it for the Rest of the Sri Lankans?
Is it for the Indians?

Tamils rejected it so it can’t be “BEST” for them.
The Rest haven’t accepted it, so it can’t be “Best” for them either.
So how can it be the Best thing for the Sri Lankan’s?
When you claim something please reason it out.

You now say “I am talking about the mandatory requirement of implementing a constitutional law”

No you are not.
You talked about the BEST thing that came from the Indo Lanka Pact. Please don’t introduce words as you go along.

You wrote “You are providing a dodgy response saying GoSL doesn’t want to implement it because some one has not accepted or a group has rejected. So much for the consideration that GoSL has given for the views of Tamil Politicians and TNA, can it get any better?”

Aia, as you can see from the foregoing it is you who is being Dodgy not me. You are also being dishonest by ADDING your own words and claiming they are mine. I have not written anything about the GOSL with reference to the above. Please try to be honest.

You wrote “Did I blame Sinhalese or Tamils in my comments;”

You have not named the Sinhalese but unless you can show that the phrase you used “so called patriotic Sri Lankans” included Tamils, what I wrote stands. If you prove that the phrase included Tamils by giving an example I will have no hesitation in apologising.

You wrote “I said the responsibility sits with the so called patriotic Sri Lankans. I was actually referring to the politicians, the patriotism they show sometimes too good to be real”

No that is not what you wrote.
This is what you actually wrote

“Even such measure does not stop the so called patriotic Sri Lankans from subverting the implementation of it in its entirety”

I can’t see the word “POLITICIAN” within it. May be you can. I wonder whether the other Reader’s can see it either. Perhaps Dev can see the invisible ink used, as he has congratulated you.

Aia, introducing words and changing meanings as we go along is a very bad habit. Please be HONEST, don’t try to introduce words as what you wrote earlier is visible to anyone who reads them. You get exposed as a Cheater.

We cannot read your mind to know what you actually refer to. Hence take care to chose your words carefully and convey what’s in your mind in your writing.

You wrote “Does this piece of legal document has any caveats in it to the effect that say if an obligation in the proceeding treaty/pact/accord was not met by either party, the implementation shall be stalled”

You should read the agreement.
Apparently you haven’t.

Parties to an agreement have their own obligations.
If any party defaults the other parties can abrogate.
That’s how Agreements work.

You wrote “I did not understand what you meant by: “GOI that strong armed and then fooled GOSL”, has the status quo changed now is not it GoI still strong armed than GoSL”

Strong Armed because they violated Sri Lankan air space with Armed Fighter planes and a threat of full scale invasion delivered by Minister External Affairs, K. Natwar Singh to the SL Ambassador, to stop the capture of Prabhakaran and ending terrorism in 1987.

Fooled because SL was led to believe that GOI would stop the war and disarm the militants.

You say “Had the implementation of the 13th started as soon as practically possible after the 20th May 2009, all the stuffs you said: war crimes, reports, videos, etc. would not be an issue at all.”

It was practically possible in 1987 and was implemented against majority opinion by the SLG. The N and E was amalgamated. A Northern PC was constituted (Dr. DJ was a Minister in that I believe). The security forces were confined to barracks within 72 hours but the GOI FAILED to keep her promise of disarming terrorists within 72 hours.

If not for the Indian intervention the alternative would have been the capture or death of Prabahkaran in 1987 and the end to Terrorism 22 years before it finally ended. Hence there is no point in speculating about the number of lives, limbs and properties saved.

You are now speculating about the result of a UNILATERAL implementation of 13A in 2009 in the face of Tamil political opposition and rejection. The result, unfortunately, would not be what you naively assume.

My argument about the 13A is not about extraneous trivial issues that you are trying to introduce to muddy the waters but about intrinsic issues. Issues such as embedded INJUSTICES and INEQUALITIES. Have you read and understood the 13A?

Can you detail your reasons for calling it the BEST thing that came about from the Indo Lanka Accord when Tamil Political opinion runs counter to it?

I support the FULL implementation of 13A with the Injustices and Inequalities removed. Do you have any objection to the removal of embedded Injustices and Inequalities?

Now that I have dealt with our arguments on the 13A, lets look at your Ad Hominems arguments.

“I have been reading Groundviews articles and noted the sheer volumes of contributions that you have been making of late”

If you can call a period of around 6 years as “of late”, then I have contributed close to 3000 I believe.

“It is great to note you have got so much time to put your message across”

Thank you but my comments mainly dealt with countering false propaganda by the separatists who twist the Truth and attempt to portray a Sinhala Brute and a Tamil Dove when the facts prove otherwise. I have made extensive use of Tamil sources to counter the false propaganda. May be the separatists find that tough to handle and hence resort to Ad Hominems rather than debate the issues.

Do you believe in the Truth Aia?
Can you please tell me whether the profuse writings of Usha, Thivya, and to a lesser extent that of Burning Issue etc will foster reconciliation?

“It is terrific even if some were cuts-and-pastes, as someone commented before and monotonous at times,”

I agree but when the same arguments are presented by the Separatists ad infinitum (which btw you have not found monotonous) my arguments against them will have to be repeated. You don’t expect me to waste time retyping my own arguments?

“However, I am afraid; I am not afforded to spend as much time as I wish. To tell you the secret, this is not something that I do for living. Need to say this because if I keep continue responding to your comments it would become like an open-ended thread, and will keep spiralling. I do not think such tit-for-tat carrying on would be neither beneficial nor tasteful to the readership”

Firstly I don’t expect you to respond. It is at your sole discretion whether you should defend what you write or not. My purpose is to counter what you or anyone else writes with facts.

Secondly my target audience is not you.
I place FACTS before the GV readership to prevent them being mislead.

Thirdly, I too don’t do this for a living but for the love of my country. I find the time to defend her as without us the FALSE separatist propaganda will rule the roost.

“I am surprised that you have not made your comments to the first comment in this topic that Sam T made. The problems we face today are preciously the ones that arose as a result of not being able to address the original problem.”

I have placed my view of what Dr. DJ wrote very clearly as the fourth comment. Has anyone (including Sam T) challenged what I have written?

Can you state what the “Original Problem” is?
Is it a question of an Exclusive Historical Boundary? I have very clearly stated that the North and East or any other PC should be delimited to ensure that the PUBLIC land vested in ANY PC should not exceed the National Per Capita Public Land Holding.

This is on the PRINCIPLE that each citizen has an equal claim on Land without which life cannot be supported. Isn’t this Equality? How do you stand on this?

“Even if someone helped us resolve it, we are of a kind, do not want to accept it.”

Who has done that?

“Instead, we are prepared to borrow money in the name of development and fight each other and kill thousands”

Did you tell that to the Tamil Separatists who bank rolled Prabahkaran’s Terror to the tune of $200 million a year?

In 1994 President Chandrika Bandaranaike Kumaratunga offered the entire North to Prabhakaran sans any elections for a period of ten years, all he had to do was eschew violence.

He not only contemptuously rejected her offer but also plunged the country back into war in 1995.

He had a second chance to be the CM of Both N and E Provinces, if he had subscribed to the 13th Amendment and contested the PC polls in 1988.

President Kumaratunga, took a tremendous political gamble by offering to establish Regional Councils, which went way beyond the existing Provincial Councils in terms of power sharing.

Prabhakaran rejected that proposal before it was shot down in Parliament.

Hence Aia, you should rethink what you said about the kind who rejects solutions.

Hi Dev,

Can you say it any better?

Could not have said it better Aia, there are some people who would twist and turn and post a dozen links to try and prove that the entire ethnic conflict is the fault of the minorities, regular readers have no doubt noted the comments by ‘off the cuff’

Dear Cas Chivas,

I observe that you have read my post addressed to Dr. DJ which was posted a day ahead of your own. I have stated unequivocally that I support devolution and a 13A suitably modified to remove the inequitable and unjust parts within.

Hence there must be something wrong for you to claim that I said “… if you say that it is not necessary to implement 13A, … “. I trust that it is an oversight on your part, if not please justify it.

Please take care to write within the context of the argument. My replies to Aia is in the context of what he/she wrote. It is the same with my replies to you, George and the imposter JF. You are free to INCLUDE what I wrote to them but you are not free to exclude their initial statements that defines the context. I hope you are honest and is interested in a honest debate.

Hence kindly rephrase your question about the 13A and its legality by bringing in the correct context by quoting the person to who I posted my reply.

“DMK although a regional party is multi religious and multi cultural and had many Muslim Sr. Ministers and MLAs in its ranks”

Good observation but would have been better if you had the honesty to see it in a much larger form within the govts of Sri Lanka, the govts that the separatists label as Sinhala Govts. I note that you don’t label the DMK as a Tamil govt and describes it as multicultural and multi religious

Would you agree with the separatists or would you have the integrity to state that there were and are Muslim Senior Ministers, Tamil Senior Ministers, and many other members of Minority communities who professed diverse Religious beliefs who graced the Sri Lankan govts with their august presence and hence the Sri Lankan govts were multicultural and multi religious?

In order not to cloud this very important observation of yours I will curtail my reply and will continue after I see your response.

Thank You
OTC

Off the cuff,
I have commented extensively and widely against people who are for separatism, including Usha (the senator as she calls herself), I am not going to spend my time pasting links to my earlier posts criticizing her, you can do that and find them.

As for defending Buddhism, its a world religion, it stands on its own, it does not need people to defend it, if Buddhism as accepted by the world is not powerful enough to withstand a few insults from LTTE people then its not worthy to be called a world religion, I don’t need to defend it -its beyond reproach !
(shows I guess how much you know about REAL Buddhism).

My views on the 13A are, its already in the constitution, implement it fully !

Dear off the cuff:

Thought it appropriate to provide a response for the matters you raised, hope it dispels your doubts- that is it, no more.

Has it been accepted by the Tamil political Leaders? I believe the TNA has rejected it.

I am talking about the mandatory requirement of implementing a constitutional law. You are providing a dodgy response saying GoSL doesn’t want to implement it because some one has not accepted or a group has rejected. So much for the consideration that GoSL has given for the views of Tamil Politicians and TNA, can it get any better?

Why are you blaming the Sinhalese when the Tamils have rejected it entirely? Easier to play the race card?

Did I blame Sinhalese or Tamils in my comments; I said the responsibility sits with the so called patriotic Sri Lankans. I was actually referring to the politicians, the patriotism they show sometimes too good to be real. They do not seem to see the long term needs of the country but what they look for are some spoils for themselves. I do not have any qualm with what you wrote, it is the prejudicial mind set that used to look for S and T in every thing we do: whether be it writing or speeking, etc. was in action when you read my response I suppose.

The 13A is a result of a treaty between the Govts of Sri Lanka and India. The treaty had obligations that had to be met by the Govt of India and GOSL. GOSL abided by her obligations but the GOI failed to do so. Hence if you are discussing legalities the treaty can be legaly abrogated by GOSL, citing default by GOI.

Here we go again. Does this piece of legal document has any caveats in it to the effect that say if an obligation in the proceeding treaty/pact/accord was not met by either party, the implementation shall be stalled. What were the obligations that were not met by GoI? You mean they failed to get LTTE surrender its arms. Did not they fight them? What else could they do?. Did not they go when GoSL asked to leave?. Where does their arms might as you trying to portray fit into in such compliance?. On the other hand, if you sincerely accusing GoI for its failure to get LTTE for an orderly arms surrender and hold your argument that was the reason which led the 13th implementation to stall, then is not the aftermath of May 2009 was the right time to implement it; not only the arms, even the LTTE is no more. We can have all the flimsy excuses time and again to subvert any initiatives that might result in a lasting solution, but cannot hoodwink everyone. What we have been demonstrating all along is we cannot sort this issue out neither on our own nor with the help of GoI, even with Norway. Rather than blaming ourselves we try to put the blame on every one else. Had the implementation of the 13th started as soon as practically possible after the 20th May 2009, all the stuffs you said: war crimes, reports, videos, etc. would not be an issue at all. If we have a fall out with GoI that consequently resulted in any embargo or and the like, most vulnerable ones are the down trodden ones, not the patriotic dual citizenship holders. Do not you think so?.

I did not understand what you meant by: “GOI that strong armed and then fooled GOSL”, has the status quo changed now is not it GoI still strong armed than GoSL.

I have been reading Groundviews articles and noted the sheer volumes of contributions that you have been making of late. It is great to note you have got so much time to put your message across. It is terrific even if some were cuts-and-pastes, as someone commented before and monotonous at times, yet, important thing is, driven by something you write for a purpose and hats off for you for your resolute! However, I am afraid; I am not afforded to spend as much time as I wish. To tell you the secret, this is not something that I do for living. Need to say this because if I keep continue responding to your comments it would become like an open-ended thread, and will keep spiralling. I do not think such tit-for-tat carrying on would be neither beneficial nor tasteful to the readership. I am surprised that you have not made your comments to the first comment in this topic that Sam T made. The problems we face today are preciously the ones that arose as a result of not being able to address the original problem. Even if someone helped us resolve it, we are of a kind, do not want to accept it. Instead, we are prepared to borrow money in the name of development and fight each other and kill thousands.