Comments on: A cold, hard look at homophobia https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia Journalism for Citizens Tue, 12 May 2015 05:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: TheCold https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-59929 Tue, 12 May 2015 05:28:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-59929 In reply to Rojr.

It is a bit annoying and frustrating reading people relegating homosexuality to eccentricity and, even though eccentricity is not a bad thing, it is a bad thing not acknowledging the diversity existant in any groups of human beings.

It is a good exercise to look around and realise that the vast majority of homosexual men and homosexual women don’t have any need nor interset in dressing extravagantly and stuff like that.

Don’t try to set rules as to how homosexual people mst behave and look because there aren’t such rules. Don’t picture drag queens as the face of homosexuality either, that’s far from what reality shows.

Stereotypes are most of the time inaccurate depictions of minority groups because, most of the time, stereotypes are base don’t pecualirity. Your average homsoexual guy is not a drag queen or effeminate, you actually see lots of homosexual guys as you walk down the streets but you don’t notice them because you are expecting them to be peculiar. Big mistake.

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By: Trinco Trev https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-47683 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:29:07 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-47683 In reply to Sahan.

Sahan, perhaps the power here is held by the press? People are free to think the thoughts the press tell them they have.

The press sometimes likes to call paedophiles gay just to confuse everyone, but not all press action is bad, exposing paedophilia is a good thing, it might embarrass the Catholic Church in Ireland but recent press reportage has stopped kids from being raped, with priests locked behind bars. Positioning gay love between consenting thirty year old men with child rape is simply incorrect.

Freedom for gay people is important, as is freedom for married women to not be beaten by their husbands, or kids to have a childhood free from dirty uncles, or the freedom to chose your own future wife, or husband, partner job etc. All people need liberation and the laws to back that up.

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By: Trinco Trev https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-47666 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:43:11 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-47666 Great to see this discussion, some very interesting posts.

On the subject of flamboyant over the top dress on parades, well coming out is stressful, it does not get easier with time or with repetition. Sometimes it’s easier to be very obvious, it saves stress and having to explain to yet another person that just getting married will not solve anything.

Also as someone mentioned earlier, the poster didn’t like transsexuals because he felt he was being deceived, that it was man pretending to be a woman, that’s not the point, to the transsexual the spirit is a woman, it’s her body that is wrong. Though I know you could say that a spirit has no gender. However deception is the point at which people get upset. People like flamboyant celebrities they understand they might be gay but when their macho hero turns out to be gay they get upset.

I understand it might be very liberating for the parader to pout and pose in a parade, but I agree that it’s hardly a positive image. I would prefer to see loving couples hand in hand than leather gear and nipple clamps.

Everyone knows gay people, they just don’t know it, because it’s against the law and against popular culture to mention it who is going to tell you?

I do have to agree that sex tourists paying a 12 year old for sex is paedophilia and not homosexuality. It’s also very very wrong, and very illegal in Western Europe too. A 12 year old is not a consenting adult, and nor would be a 30 year old pressurised by a manager.

No one believes that there are no homosexuals because the laws forbids it. If heterosexuality was made illegal would you leave your wife or husband? I hope not!

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By: Sahan https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44632 Tue, 22 May 2012 07:03:54 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44632 I don’t know why you scholars complicate things and deviate from the main point. Sri Lankan society is not accepting homo sexuality. And the reason for this is the same reason , which is the cause for problems in all aspects of our country.

The Attitude of people !!

We are a nation to without conciouns or principals.. We go with what gives us most benefits , regardless of right or wrong. If the Man with the power in hand says Homo Sexuality is good , even the old hags in our villages will start saying it is ok , monks will take examples from lord Budhdhas preachings and say it is ok , etc…

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By: Gamarala https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44577 Sun, 20 May 2012 13:09:25 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44577 In reply to Rojr.

Yes, but it may unleash a discoursive moment ranging from a tête-à-tête over tea at the Galle face to a lynch mob in Maradana, so your mileage may vary. Try this in the middle-east for the most explosive results.

Bottom-line: Rojr makes a good point. The intellectual state of the country needs to be taken into account when making a statement. I highly doubt that the majority of people will understand the nature of the statement that is being made – they will likely see this as some exercise in “western decadence and moral decay”, and not as an assertion of individuality and human rights.

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By: Dr.Francesca Bremner https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44569 Sun, 20 May 2012 10:37:52 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44569 In reply to Rojr.

Dear Rojr,

The oppressed group, by its performativity in public space does provoke a reaction, and this is what is positive since it opens a discoursive moment into bringing into the foreground what was once hushed and taboo.

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By: Rojr https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44530 Sat, 19 May 2012 13:32:00 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44530 In reply to Rojr.

What interpretation?

The data from both sources is that >80% of men sampled in both areas have had consensual gay sex.

If you’d read Miller’s paper you’d know that.

But by this time I suspect the argument that you ought to read something is not worth the candlelight by which its made.

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By: Sohan https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44513 Sat, 19 May 2012 08:19:56 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44513 Thank you for Rojr for making the effort to talk about homosexuality, when (as far as I know) you have no personal stake in it, except as a fellow human being. As a Sri Lankan gay man, while I see where you are coming from as a heterosexual person, I still have to disagree with you somewhat about the points you make.

The greater point I wish to make though is about the very lack of visibility of gay people in this country, although if you were gay, you would realize how very gay this country really is, invisible as it is from the casual straight eyes. (and I am not talking about beach boys here, but about the ordinary middle class) The point however is moot to have a highly academic discussion about what Sri Lankan gay pride marches should be, when they actually do NOT exist.(except, as far I know, one was held a few years ago, with no worthwhile news media coverage and with relatively few attendants)As for public expectations, what public expectations about a thing that seemingly does not exist?

There are a few local organizations attempting at improving things, but I fear that their hearts are not really in it. NGO money creeping in to it may have a thing or two to do with that (it is best for the defenders when the oppressed continue to stay oppressed), but it is not the only reason for their relative failure. The very lack of ‘visible’ persecution has made it a non-issue with the majority. (What individual gay, lesbian and transgendered people suffer in their own homes from their own families is of course invisible and unquantifiable. What the police does to gain bribes from ‘offending’ couples is not unheard of either)

In the end, while I disagree about your perception of the so called outre elements of our community (i.e. the drag queens. I do not know that we have anything akin to leather daddies, bears or other such sub-cultures here in SL)I still do agree on the fact that if people like myself (I am a young professional) were to come out tomorrow and say who we are, things will have to change. The question is a matter of courage; where I have next to none, that guy in drag, the one who dares, he has courage a million times greater than I ever will.

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By: quitbeinggay.blogspot.com https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44509 Sat, 19 May 2012 06:37:06 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44509 In reply to Rojr.

Published data belongs to miller. Interpretation is of yours.

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By: georgethebushpig https://groundviews.org/2012/05/17/a-cold-hard-look-at-homophobia/#comment-44478 Fri, 18 May 2012 15:20:27 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=9353#comment-44478 Interesting discussion and the strategic aspect that Rojr argues makes sense to me however “carnival” was never conceived of as a celebration of the “normal” but it was an event that helped people subvert daily life. Gay pride day is the same isn’t it? I’ve never really heard any criticism of carnival in Rio, Trinidad, Mardi Gras etc. of being too flamboyant so why should Gay Pride Day be done any differently unless of course as a one-off event just to make a point. Thanks for the post.

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