Yapa

As I prophecied, the ‘divine intervention’ is imminent! As you are on the verge of ‘annihilation’, this might help you to survive to ‘fight another day’!

Or your fate will become an “ahosi kamma”(a cancelled karma)!

GV

Just as I predicted of this ‘divine intervention’ a few hours ago! I wonder whether you had a ‘secret communication’ with Yapa for him to say, “I need time to fire my rocket launcher”!LOL

Yapa

Now, back to analysing “consciousness!”

Why I told your understanding of it is arbitrary, is for this reason: If you look at certain life forms, the traditional definition of “consciousness” as the ‘ability to know good and bad’ falls flat!
As you say, the difference between a mango tree and a human is obvious; but this distinction disappears in the microscopic world.

Look at the life-forms classified in the group Protista. Here’s an example: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/euglena-facts.html

Organisms like these can both photosynthesize and take food from out side as well, when the need arises. They can move about using a whip-like organelle. If you consider them as moving plants, the primitive ‘eye-spot’ and it’s ability to capture food don’t agree with that.

As you say, if plants don’t have a consciousness and only animals have it, what do you say about ‘unclassifiable’ life-forms like these?

If we forego the concept called “consciousness”, we’ll find a way out of this. What we see as a consciousness is a nothing but, a highly organized nervous system which can be seen in humans and (possibly) few higher animals. It is our concept to call it “consciousness” isn’t it?

That is why I said that “consciousness” is another “frame dependent reality”. That is why you can’t arbitrarily say that amoeba knows what is good and what is bad!

Yapa

Sorry to interrupt;you have understood what I said wrongly! By “What that mithyadrushtikaya told was not taken from any belief system”, what I meant was that it can be viewed by out side.(sorry for the error!)

What we see is ‘life’ turning into ‘dust’. And other objects too. Buddha too realized this. But he seems to have made a ‘frame of reality’ to incorporate morality and after-life into this, to make his doctrine.(maybe for reasons!) This makes what Buddha said ‘a knowledge system’ which is not verifiable by any outside evidence.

But, if we say there’s no afterlife and life ends at death like a bubble of soap(as Kesakambali told) that can be verified by what we experience. Therefore it can be verified by outside evidence. I hope I conveyed it to you correctly this time!

Yapa

Your request for time is allowed, but make sure you come back before the Ground Views dudes, press that button called ‘divine intervention’ to end this “Hoy Communication!”

I know sometimes it takes time to start those ‘rocket launchers’ and ‘missiles’!

GV.

Yanne koheda malle pol, again dear Mohamed.

Do you say by increasing the accuracy of the deterministic worldview you can get a non-deterministic worldview?

Thanks!

Dear Mohamed;

“Within your limited argument it may appear to you as existence of creator is disproved.”

Ok, try this “limited argument” as well.

Can your creator create a stone HE cannot lift?

(You might say the job of the creator is not lifting stones, Eh?)

Thanks!

Yes! Saban I think a satisfactory “consciousness” arose in my mind after meditating on the matter. Ha! Ha!!

I think you also have a right for a share of the wholesome kamma arisen due to your questioning, and you will definitely be benefited from wholesome kamma in the future, as per the natural law of Kamma.

Do you accept your share, Saban? Ha! Ha!!

I will begin my sermon soon, behold!

Thanks!

Dear Saban;

“Don’t lose your cool or your sleep over this!”

None of that will happen Saban. Ha! Ha!!

“You say that karma is a law of the nature, and everywhere there is evidence to say it;I say it is not a nature’s law and there is NO evidence to say a law like that exists!”

It is one of the most difficult questions, even the Buddha said so. Understanding the operation of karma is not limited to one life time, according to the “concept”. You must understand the spatial, temporal and samsaric (transcendental) hugeness of the question.

However, I think most of the questions including the questions belong to transcendental plane can be grasped with “logical reasoning”. Let me try. I will mark it as a remarkable question. Considering the vastness and sublimity of the question give me a little tome.

I will not follow the course you doubted I would do. Never!, If I cannot I will accept I cannot.

Will move with the other issues, until I put a thought to it. Let the correct “consciousness arise” in my mind.

Ha! Ha!!