Comments on: Heroes and Heroism: Osama Bin Laden and Prabhakaran https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=heroes-and-heroism Journalism for Citizens Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:02:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Aadavan https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-36012 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:02:21 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-36012 In reply to Dr Dayan Jayatilleka.

Dr DJ seems to be a real hero in his own words. He made an fallacious comparison. He justified all the atrocities committed by the regime in the areas of 100% Tamils and Muslims by using its 99% Sinhala army. And he desperately defended all the counter arguments by giving canard reports prepared by pro-govt puppets and by shamelessly saying ‘dunno’s when there was no place to refute.
Some time before I have read that Dr DJ is one of the great scholars and writers in Sri Lanka. But one I realized the truth that he is no more than liar and puppet of MR and Co.
Anyway, Dr DJ, I am not good in English. I say this becoz you will try to find some grammar mistakes and try to refute the argument desperately as you have done above (most of the times, desperately)
In total, your article is just a piece of waste paper.

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By: sambar https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35750 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:37:24 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35750 In reply to Niran Anketell.

Why are you bothering to do so may I ask?

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By: sambar https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35500 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:46:36 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35500 In reply to Dr Dayan Jayatilleka.

Dr. Dayan Jayatilleka,

It IS all a game – various moves must be seen to be made in order to get ahead with their agenda.

At the same time the Mahinda regime has become an embarrassment with whom it would not do to be seen conducting business, so that is also one of the reasons for the recent calls – to pretend to be clean by disclaiming the embarrassment.

As for the new man, I fully appreciate your reason for a smiley face 🙂

There are some people in this world where if they were in front of you and a highly venomous bad tempered snake were behind you, the best advice would be ‘watch out, forget the snake!’.

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By: Dr Dayan Jayatilleka https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35471 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:24:44 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35471 In reply to Bundoora.

1) I didn’t know, and what you assert is hearsay. All these assertions, accusations and revelations sound exceedingly WMD-ish to me. From a debating point of view, you still need to get past the MoD counter-documentary, the Mod report and David Blacker’s essay on this website.

2) Prabhakaran didn’t have a ‘little’ daughter.

3) Ramesh: I don’t know enough to answer that.

4)As for the numbers, please reply the analysis on the MoD counter documentary. I am bad at arithmetic.

5)I was at the TransAsia hotel at the time, being interviewed by Al Jazeera. I criticised the events that unfolded on Al Jazeera, and in the Daily Mirror, the Island and the Lankadeepa. Now, let the Courts decide and the law take its course. I must add that when my group was indicted, we had far better lawyers than SF seems to now.

6) Don’t be a bore Bundoora. You have listed the evolution and the votaries of ‘neoliberal humanitarian intervention’ which is an ideological gasp of a declining, crisis ridden West and its allies. It has no resonance in Eurasia in general and Asia , the world’s most populous continent, which is firm on issues of sovereignty.

Bundoora, if I may repeat what I said in the UNHRC to Louise Arbour: “what part of ‘NO’ don’t you get?” Sri Lanka is not going to agree to, comly with or cooperate with any Ă­nternational inquiry’. If you are deusional enough to think that another administration will comply, perhaps we should call for a referendum in Sri lanka and see whether any political party likely to come to office, will support such a call…

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By: Niran Anketell https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35469 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:28:44 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35469 In reply to Aadavan.

Just want to to flag that the above comment is not mine. Thanks.

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By: Dessert Fox https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35462 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:10:25 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35462 In reply to Dr Dayan Jayatilleka.

A Response to Dr Jayatilleka

Sovereignty as Responsibility ~ Amitai Etzioni

Abstract
This article examines the development of a new normative principle of international order, sovereignty as responsibility; its communitarian implications; and the ways in which the newly conceived responsibility of the “international community” to protect the people of states failing to live up to their responsibilities as defined by international norms can come to terms with the notion of democratic self-government.

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By: Bundoora https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35446 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:46:56 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35446 Dear DJ ,

Thanks for the answers,

1) haven’t you heard Nadesan’s wife was one of the first to come forward and yelled at the army “do not shoot , they are going to surrender “ apparently after a little pause whole shooting rampage started. If you carefully analyze the C4 second movie , Jonathan miller showed 4 dozens of dead soldiers /persons photographs , do you think all those photographs are fake /creations ?on the other hand Wije Nambiar was quoting it was LTTE the one who shot at surrenders ? Going by the photographs, certainly it was not a suicide bomber; it looked very much of gun shot victims. do not you think C4 is playing this game much smarter than we are, it looks C4 waits for SL to utter all lies/denials and then put forward the evidence. It is believed, there are few more damning evidences are available, but waiting for the right moment so DJ better be careful what you say !

2)prabakaran’s Little daughter and son were too little to engage in a fire fight , it is very unlikely to have happened what you mentioned.

3)Ramesh , there were clear evidences of Ramesh being interrogated by the Army in a few video clips , it is mind boggling how SL gonna defend that Ramesh was not killed by the army after the capture/surrender , on Isapriya’s case , how come her hands were tied behind her back and shot dead , it is hard to believe that iaspriya died In combat ? Same goes to the other blind folded /hands tied LTTE carders, were they shot dead during the battle or after the capture/surrender? Here is a video clip of a new angle

http://www.tamilsforobama.com/video/New_Video/Srilanka_Genocide_of_Tamils_War_Crimes_Evidence.html

Ramesh’s interview

http://genocidesrilanka.blogspot.com/2011/05/sri-lanka-war-crime-alleged-over.html

4) Going by the GA, Imelda Sukumar’s data, in August 2008 Mannar, Mulaitivu and Kilinochchi total population was 430,000 , after the war it was only 290,000 IDP accounted for ?
Please check the first video clip of the three ( Time at 4.18 )

http://www.channel4.com/news/un-leak-points-to-crimes-against-humanity-in-sri-lanka-war

5) on 27 Jan10, Trans Asia hotel was surrounded by the army, preventing access to the hotel , later DS stated it was for SF’s own protection, then on 08 feb 2010 , General was arrested , reason was given” SF was preparing for a military coup” and host of other chargers , now the main charge , conspiracy theory of military coup is not to be seen , I wonder why ? Instead some pseudo procurement charges were level against this legend,
See the video for your self for the embarrassing evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBw_Go2X6A&NR=1
betrayal of SF by gota

6 ) if India goes against SL , do we have a chance DJ ? irrespective of the person who represents SL , but I doubt India would go to that level , as India herself is very much in a gauche position i.e since Nambiar brothers and Narayana & Menon duo are tangled in the web.

By the way DJ , why do you think UNSG, UNSG panel ,UNHR head , Amnesty international, ICG and all other reputed INGO s , US, EU, Australia and all most all the western block,C4,ABC,PBS, Head lines Today , Nelson Mandela , Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Kofi Annan, Martti Ahtisaari, Lakhdar Brahimi, Mary Robinson,jimmy carter, lee kuan yew akin elders going against the current SL regime ( not the country ), do you want us to believe all these people and organizations are wrong and they are LTTE proxies or working for their money ?, or ill informed? , or really envious towards SL military success? or can’t stomach this greatest king ? Which one is it? or we to believe what the regime says and never questioned its integrity and be a real patriotic srilankan in the name of sovereignty !

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By: DilanR https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35445 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:56:23 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35445 In reply to DilanR.

oops, it should read:

”Sri Lankan state DID NOT WITHDRAW”
Not many expect anything else from the Rajapakses.

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By: DilanR https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35443 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:43:56 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35443 Not only Pope all categories of social scientists around the world say so.

Many common people(without university degrees) like Narangoda who have a good head-and-heart also say that – in action.

Barbaric people don’t necessarily care about it.

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By: DilanR https://groundviews.org/2011/08/03/heroes-and-heroism/#comment-35441 Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:17:27 +0000 http://groundviews.org/?p=7245#comment-35441 ”re-unification within one’s borders” is expected from the lion with the sword.

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