If the Government is honest, it should publish the results of all the numerous commission it had in relation to the Tamil grievances. Why can’t it allow the UN to have an impartial investigation? No Tamil in his senses will trust this Government or any other previous governments which are green or blue!!! Only Tamil who will trust the Sri Lankan government is douglas, Karuna and Pillaiyan and their armed cadres. They have no way other than that as they are well and truly trapped!!

“But our “king” is becoming more and more tyrant after seeing the effects of his “genocidal war””

I think king’s attitude is formed by prejudiced and unsupported weepings and outrageous violence expressed like this by your people. When you try to attack anybody with whatever you can pick, no body would say you are right and the king or anybody else is wrong. Try to build your arguments with reasonable facts, try to express your grievances in an acceptable manner.Attack is the best form of defence won’t work everywhere. Attack with some discipline, with some reasonable mind set. Try to go for a win-win situation, that may take you to your goal along with others. Reconciliation is a thing which demands honesty and sincerity of both parties.

Thanks!

The antiquity, sweetness, richness and popularity of the Tamil language cannot be destroyed by the bunch of jokers!!! There is a proverb, which says that pigs cannot appreciate the smell of camphor!!!Tamil language will live as long as this universe, but the bunch of jokers will not!!!

Patriotism should come from the bottom of the heart. Can you expect any patriotism from the Tamil people after all the injustices heaped on them since independence? What is the hurry to change the rules regarding the National anthem? Is it to prove that the Tamils are at the mercy of the Sri Lankan government? and to prove that it can further trample the Tamils? I have heard of how the victorious countries behaved in olden days eg. rape, killing and destruction etc. Where is the reconcilliation, which the president talks about when he goes abroad for the consumption of the donors? King Asoka renounced his throne and became a Budhist after he saw the death and destruction of the war. But our “king” is becoming more and more tyrant after seeing the effects of his “genocidal war”

Wijayapala,

Sorry that I didn’t respond to you earlier in this thread and the other one. Wasted all my time with a man who doesn’t know the difference between Hindi and Urdu. I am hoping he is not living in Pakistan, thinking it is India. 🙂

Regarding Heshan trying to disprove my points, I am not sure if he is going to. Not because he cannot, but he is simply not interested and more importantly, not curious. Everytime you refute him, he jumps to a completely off-tangent argument and continues from there. While I can patiently debate him point by point, he will throw some irrelevant link (linguistic equivalent of TamilNet) to substantiate his views. It is pointless to argue with him. I will probably continue debating if he can prove that Tamil is not a fake language. 😉

best wishes
Krish

Heshan

“Hindi is just a cut-off from Urdu. Hindi would not even exist if the Moghuls hadn’t come. Tamil/Malayali/Telugu etc. are much, much older than the bastardized Hindi.”

Totally the other way. It is Urdu that developed and claimed prominence after Moghul invasion. Not Hindi. This is what your link itself says:

“Before Muslim rule in the India, Sanskritized Devanagari was only used for sacred Hindu religious texts. When Muslims came, Persian was brought to the courts. After the Persian soldiers interacted with the locals, Urdu developed.”

So, before the Persian/Arabic-speaking Muslims came to India, Urdu didn’t exist in India. 🙂

Like I said, Hindi is closer to Sanskrit in pure form and Urdu closer to Persian/Arabic.

Take some simple examples:
Time to leave –> English
Jaane kaa waqt aagayaa. –> Urdu
Jaane kaa samay aagayaa –> Hindi
As you can see, “Waqt” is Arabic/Persian/Urdu, while “samay”/”samayam” would be Hindi/Tamil or many other Indian languages.

“That is why I keep calling it a joke every time you try to claim South Indians are mad for Hindi. South Indian languages are thousands of years older than that rotting apple called Hindi.”
Go back and refute my claims state by state for Southern India and prove your point. We can then debate. Don’t go in circles bringing Kerala, TN and Pondicherry. 🙂

Your link from Yahoo takes a simple premise to arrive at a propagandistic conclusion. They are saying that for 1000 years Persian was the written script of Muslim-ruled India. Therefore Sanskrit/Hindi and their scripts are fake. By the same logic, in the last 300 years (before India’s independence), English was the official language of Tamil Nadu. Conclusion: Modern Tamil script and language are fake. 🙂

Now it is upto prove that Tamil is not a fake language! Be a man, Heshan. Prove it!

I kindly request you not to concern yourself with the “Information Age.” The only information you need are the venues for the next kiribath party and Hon. Wimal’s next KFC-sponsored fast. All such information will be provided free of charge by the Ministry of Defense and “Daily News.” Please rely only on these two sources of information, as any other sources are a LTTE-backed foreign conspiracy to destabilize the island; remember to report such sources to Hon. Gothabaya for the appropriate *white van treatment.” Thank you for your cooperation.

Hindi is only “universal” if you’re in North India . Whereas for the rest of India, English is more universal than Hindi.

Hopeless logic which I have refuted already.

You mean with your assertion that 90% of Telugus speak Urdu? 🙂 Ever heard the phrase, “If wishes were horses, beggars would ride…” I think it applies to you.

Harsh words for Hindi with hatred, insecurity and inability to debate. Hindi in written form uses “Devanagiri” script for writing and is closer to Sanskrit in pure form, that is if you remove Urdu/Persian words. Pure Hindi would be Sanskrit and most North Indian languages will be very close to Sanskrit in purer form.

Hindi is just a cut-off from Urdu. Hindi would not even exist if the Moghuls hadn’t come. Tamil/Malayali/Telugu etc. are much, much older than the bastardized Hindi. That is why I keep calling it a joke every time you try to claim South Indians are mad for Hindi. South Indian languages are thousands of years older than that rotting apple called Hindi.

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Is Hindi a fake, artificial language: a deviant from the real language of Urdu (please read details)?

Shudh Hindi is the artificial creation of the Indian government. Before Muslim rule in the India, Sanskritized Devanagari was only used for sacred Hindu religious texts. When Muslims came, Persian was brought to the courts. After the Persian soldiers interacted with the locals, Urdu developed. It comprised mainly of Arabic/Persian derived words. Urdu was written in the Nastaliq script, because it is most similar to the Persian & Arabic scripts. It has all the alphabets Persian & Arabic have, which Devanagari doesn’t have. During 700 years of Muslim rule, Urdu & its Nastaliq script developed greatly while Sanskritized Hindi was confined to religious Hindu texts.

When British ruled, Hindus tried to promote Sanskritized Devanagari for more than religious texts. They translated literary works written in Nastaliq Urdu into Sanskritized Devanagari. This resulted in the Hindi-Urdu controversy. This ‘Hindi’ that mostly contained Persian/Arabic derived words was being translated into Sanskritized Devanagari. Muslims thought they would lose their heritage if ‘Hindi’ in Devanagari script would make them lose their great Islamic heritage.

The script for Nastaliq however was always more prominent than Devanagari, because it was promoted by Muslim rulers, for its similarity to & their love for Arabic, the language of the Koran. Sanskritized Devanagari was also limited in its lack of ‘Arabic/Persian’ alphabets, which would mean if people used Arabic/Persian derived words from the Sanskritized Devanagari script, they would be butchering them.

Indian Muslims who loved Urdu tried to promote an artificial script called “Hindi Devanagari”, that included dots on certain Sankritized Devanagari alphabets so that Urdu words would not be butchered by the speakers. So Hindi is a fake language in every way. It has no right to claim that Persian/Arabic derived words are part of Hindi, as it uses Sanskritized Devanagari script, which is limited in its alphabets as compared to Persian and Arabic. Urdu, Arabic, Persian are right from right to left, Hindi is written from left to right like English.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101208034119AAHHupG

Last I heard, you were the one who wanted Sri Lanka to be ruled by Hindus.

I have no problem with Hindus. But the day you try to make Hindi a universal language in India, the day you try to force everyone to learn it – that will be the end of India.

“Krish, English is a universal language.”
Exactly! In the Indian context Hindi is universal.

“Like I said, the point that remains that for South Indians – and even many North Indians – the primary language is the language of their home state.”
Hopeless logic which I have refuted already.

“Hindi is a bastardized version of Persian/Arabic with some Sanskrit added in for flavor; it is not a pure language like Tamil or Malayalam.”
Harsh words for Hindi with hatred, insecurity and inability to debate. Hindi in written form uses “Devanagiri” script for writing and is closer to Sanskrit in pure form, that is if you remove Urdu/Persian words. Pure Hindi would be Sanskrit and most North Indian languages will be very close to Sanskrit in purer form.

And the [edited] version of Persian/Arabic you talk about is Urdu. Urdu is similar to Hindi in spoken form, uses Persian/Arabic script. And in literature/pure form is very very close to Persian.

Tamil is not pure anymore in Tamil Nadu from what I understand. Heavy use of English in spoken form and even the Tamil dailies “Dinathanthi” and “Dinamalar” use English or Sanskrit words heavily.

Malayalam isn’t truly pure either. First of all, it is a derived language of Tamil and uses Sanskrit in a big way. Quite literally, if you mix Tamil verbs and Sanskrit nouns, you end up getting close to Malayalam.

“Other than that, South Indians are perfectly satisfied with the language of their home state and do not harbor any fantasies of Hindustan.”
Last I heard, you were the one who wanted Sri Lanka to be ruled by Hindus. You should explain why you harbour such Hindustan fantasies. 🙂

Frankly Heshan, you rock! 🙂

Prof Heshan

“You can make up numbers all you want – such as the ridiculous assertion that 90% of all Telugu ppl speak fluent Hindi – but remember that we are in the Information Age. If any of the readers want to verify whether 0.9% of Tamils are speaking Hindi, or 99.9%, all it takes is a Google click.”

I am so glad that you did bother yourself with clicking Google yourself to provide the evidence. It is so refreshing to hear you lecture about Information Age and other hi-tech stuff, with a subtle threat of exposing Krish without actually exposing him nor answering his point at all.

“By the way, China has borders with Russia, and India has borders with China. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any Chinese who are fluent in Russian, Russians who are fluent in Chinese, Indians who are fluent in Chinese, or Chinese who are fluent in any Indian language.”

Another gem. Somebody unfamiliar with the wisdom of Heshan might ask what China or Russia have to do with language proficiency in India, especially given that they are entirely different countries, with all the related restrictions on cross-border travel and interaction that mere subnational entities within a federation do not have. Someone else, maybe from India might observe that Indians (particularly S. Indians)

If I were to humbly offer a suggested addition to Heshan Wisdom, why not debunk this foolish Krish by pointing out that the word “India” begins with the letter “I” whereas the Indo-Aryan equivalent “Bharat” begins with the letter “B.” That argument also does absolutely nothing to prove your point but it is a good thing to throw out there to pretend that you have actual knowledge. I eagerly await your insight into this proposal.

“Please reserve your Hindustan daydreams for when you watch Bollywood.”

The crowning touch of this Heshan Post was the characteristic Angry Rant when unable to defend the argument. It is this special feature of Heshan’s writings that conveys a truly artistic quality, combining the worst aspects of ignorance and delusion with anger and frustration. Who else on Groundviews can combine so many things into one?