Comments on: On Commission and Omission https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=on-commission-and-omission Journalism for Citizens Wed, 19 May 2010 07:09:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: niranjan https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-19083 Wed, 19 May 2010 07:09:37 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-19083 somewhat disgusted,

There is a certain section of the Sinhala population who have bigoted views when it comes to Tamils. I guess it is the same on the Tamil side. What the Govt should be doing is to sideline the bigots on the Sinhala side and those within its ranks and work towards reconciliation with those who do not hold bigoted views.
If in future the Govt is able to do that then there is a future for this country. If not there is no hope.

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By: SomewhatDisgusted https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-19028 Tue, 18 May 2010 12:40:17 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-19028 Dear Observer,

“If any of you are in touch with common man on the streets (the majority!), you know the answer to this!”

Actually, I missed the underlying implication here 🙂 Well, everyone fancies themselves as being “in-touch” (I honestly do too). But here’s a question – what is your “in-touch”ness based on? Talking to some random 3 wheeler guy on the way to the market as I recall? Do you consider this a representative sample of the population? I think you know statistics and inference don’t really work that way.

Also, can you give me a rough figure on how many people have bigoted views about Sinhala-Tamil race relations so we know how much work needs to be done? Instead of just assuming that *no* work needs to be done (a clear fallacy – this is utter rubbish if you think so) or needlessly assuming that *an impossible* amount of work needs to be done.

We can’t follow the Ostrich algorithm and solve our problems. We need facts and figures. You’re an IT guy, you should know.

cheers,
/SD

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By: SomewhatDisgusted https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-19015 Tue, 18 May 2010 10:54:28 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-19015 Dear Observer,

You said: “Anyone ever visited Sri Lanka interacted with Sri Lankan people know the answer to this question. Answer is hardly ANY!”

You and I agree to a large degree on this. I too don’t think the majority of the population is bigoted either. This is true of both Sinhalese and Tamils.

But ask a Tamil in the diaspora, they are likely to believe the opposite.
Now – just look at the assumption I just made. I automatically assumed that a Tamil in the diaspora is much more likely to think otherwise. I have no idea what the real numbers are. They are all just treated as an amorphous blob – for convenience. This is at least part of the problem isn’t it?

The point is, without concrete facts or figures – we are stabbing in the dark – we don’t know exactly how many people perceive things in a certain way and what and how much work needs to be done to change that perception. It would therefore be very beneficial to have a survey which actually measures the attitudes and disposition of the population at large.

Can and have any such surveys been done? I would really like to know the results.

cheers,
/SD

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-19010 Tue, 18 May 2010 10:10:35 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-19010 “SomewhatDisgusted said,
May 16, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

Dear Dr. Saravanamuttu,

You do realize that “Dasa Maha Yoda”’s overblown act was meant to be sarcastic?

Still, I do wonder how many “real life” characters, that Dasa Maha Yoda is trying to form a caricatural imitation of, exist in Sri Lanka? ”

(gv twitter) How is that a cogent question? [Edited]

If any of you are in touch with common man on the streets (the majority!), you know the answer to this! Anyone ever visited Sri Lanka interacted with Sri Lankan people know the answer to this question. Answer is hardly ANY!

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By: Travelling Academic https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18945 Mon, 17 May 2010 09:50:16 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18945 @subramaniam

“in my reckoning, having examined some of the extant documentation regarding the population in vanni prior to the onslaught, i estimate the death toll to actually be in the region of 60,000. for all autonomic deniers of this probable fact”

Tell us more please; you may well be right but how did you arrive at this estimate? what was the data on those documents? are these documents in the public domain? what are your calculations? and what was the margin of error in your estimates?

[In the estimation business one has to be careful, you see: “I saw two dogs, one did not bark, therefore 50% of dogs don’t bark”, is bad practice of statistical inference. Something like “50% plus or minus 49% of dogs don’t bark”, would be better. We will then know that according to your estimate the proportion of non-barking dogs is somewhere between 1% and 99%.]

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By: SomewhatDisgusted https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18895 Sun, 16 May 2010 11:38:04 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18895 Dear Dr. Saravanamuttu,

You do realize that “Dasa Maha Yoda”‘s overblown act was meant to be sarcastic?

Still, I do wonder how many “real life” characters, that Dasa Maha Yoda is trying to form a caricatural imitation of, exist in Sri Lanka? Is it perhaps possible to peg this down to a number? Are there any surveys which might find whether such attitudes and ideas are indeed prevalent and provide some concrete numbers for us to work with? Because otherwise, we are all needlessly getting worked up over an exception as opposed to the norm (and the norm seems to be that we all get worked up over the exception). It will also tell us how much work needs to be done in terms of opinion building, if we are to think of forming a truly plural society.

I think surveys on all ethnicities are needed. Would anyone whether this has already been done?

cheers,
/SD

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By: Dr P. Saravanamuttu https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18890 Sun, 16 May 2010 10:12:30 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18890 Thank you Pearl and Dilkusha for your comments. Subramaniam, you are entitled to your opinion of CPA and myself. I do not intend to list out the work that has been done by us at CPA in defence of the human rights of all Sri Lankans, particularly Tamils. It is a stark and horrendous fact that many Sri Lankans were killed and maimed by both sides in the thirty years of the war, especially in its final phase. Most of them were Tamils. Reconciliation requires that the pain and suffering of all communities be acknowledged and addressed. Likewise, with establishing truth and accountability. Your ad hominem comments clearly indicate an excess of bile seeping into comment – perhaps I am being charitable- involuntarily.

Dasa Maha Yoda, your comment reflects the ideology in the ascendant. With sentiments such as this, who knows, you could even be president or alternatively end up in navy detention!

Needless to say, the country will risk being detained indefinitely from the peace and prosperity all of its peoples seek.

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By: Pearl Thevanayagam https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18873 Sun, 16 May 2010 05:24:16 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18873 Dear Mr Subramaniam,

You have an inalienable right not to know me or ridicule me. I am used to your kind mainly my Tamil journalistic colleagues and this desire to ridicule fellow Tamils is indelibly etched in the genes of Jaffna Tamils.

Tamils hate each other more than they hate Sinhalese adn the war in which thousands perished was largely due to discord and dissent among Tamils.

Perhaps you have heard of the tale of the prisoners from the three communities where the bunker in which the Tamils were kep needed no cover since if one tried to get out the others would drag him back.

So what’s new.

There’s such a thing as cursor on your computer which could ignore my comments or writings. You will save yourself some stress in your advancing years.

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By: Dasa Maha Yoda https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18812 Sat, 15 May 2010 02:17:45 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18812 Despite his high intellectual credentials, Dr Saravanamuttu is a Tamil. Tamils are only guests in Sri Lanka, entertained and accommodated by the generosity of the only original inhabitants of the island, the Sinhalese. Therefore, Tamils, Muslims, Eurasians, Malays and all other minorities have strict limits for their speech and conduct which they must observe — or depart. If they insist on breaching these now well-known limits, we can hasten their departure.

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By: subramaniam https://groundviews.org/2010/05/14/on-commission-and-omission/#comment-18809 Sat, 15 May 2010 01:08:01 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3190#comment-18809 look Pearl that you have known sara for well on 15 years is pleasing enough however do not permit your own ignorance to allow you to cast aspersions on me. i make my comments on the basis of having followed his writings for the past 2/3 years, listened to him speak, and having delved thoroughly into his previous work. additionally i am very well acquainted with most of the recent CPA reports and their staff members – on an international professional scale, the CPA is a largely unimpressive human/civil rights think tank, but this is sri lanka, so we must be thankful for small miracles.

my basic point still stands – what is the point of writing and trying and be in the ‘game’ if you fail to acknowledge even the simplest and most significant fact of 2009 in sri lanka – i shall repeat again…
“It is staggering how saravanamuttu manages to completely avoid mentioning that upwards of 40,000 Tamils were killed in the first 5 months of 2009.”

http://www.viddler.com/explore/frontlineclub/videos/242/
pearl i had never heard of you before i watched this – and the kindest thing that can be said of your dismal peformance was that it was spectacularly unspectacular. your writings too on groundviews seem for the most part to be piffling – perhaps it is a form of catharsis for you, it is dreary and homespun for me (and maybe others).

my points above were addressed to sara, not you.

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