Comments on: Sri Lankan English: The state of the debate https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate Journalism for Citizens Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:15:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: georgethebushpig https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-25668 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:15:11 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-25668 Michael,

If we draw an analogy between language and music, I seriously doubt that Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davies could have contributed to the creation of a new music language like Jazz unless they were fully conversant with the basics of music. Fundamentals precede improvisation. The discussion about Sri Lankan English I believe is putting the cart before the bullock.

As others have argued, learning internationally accepted English facilitates better communication with a wider audience. This doesn’t preclude the use of Sri Lankan idioms or “colour” to enhance the narration of something specific to Sri Lanka. This type of improvisation can be made possible only with the mastery of the “standard” language and not by standardising our version of it. What is interesting about improvisation is that it takes you to a place where you’ve never been before. Standardising the improvisation undermines reaching that place as it becomes just part of the commonplace.

On a more practical note, as it has been argued by others, being hindered by the use of idiosyncratic Sri Lankan English cannot be a good thing. It was only after I read Strunk and White’s “Element’s of Style” that I went from being a C+ student to an A student. All of a sudden my professors could understand what the hell I was writing about! My Sri Lankan English obviously confused the hell out of them prior to that.

I must say that I do appreciate the work that you are doing with relation to documenting the idiosyncrasies of Sri Lankan English as it is a rich vein to be mined. Let’s however keep Sri Lankan idiosyncrasies just the way they are – idiosyncratic.

Cheers mate

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By: Foreigner https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-23284 Sat, 18 Sep 2010 04:49:44 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-23284 Hi. I would like to add my voice to this debate over English language use in Sri Lanka. For some 30 years I have been teaching composition and research paper writing in Canad, China, the Middle East, Mexico, and in Europe.

In each college program I have taught in we have used American textbooks, American English writing conventions–all for the purpose of supporting students majoring in subjects like Science, IT, Business Management. Why? Simply put: most of the learning materials today are in US English. And, if students wish American degrees, well, they need to be able to write American English.

The Chinese at first thought they could do without this universal language. Well, go to China today. Hundreds of millions of students are learning American English, not least because, individually and collectively, they have understood its necessity. No one is talking of Chinese-English, nor are Arabs debating Arab-English. Nor is this an issue in any other land that I can think of. Why it should surface in Lanka is beyond me. I suspect politics is behind it all.

Distasteful as this must be to nationalistic-minded people, we need to be practical and think of the future of our students. Encouraging local ESL use is detrimental to the acquisition of English that is incomprehensible outside our borders.

I understand the costs involved in ESL re-training teachers in a more universal tongue. Sri Lankan English would be the cheaper option, but only in the short term. The costs will come in lost opportunities internationally, not least in our students missing out on higher education abroad.

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By: Coconut https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-21375 Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:35:51 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-21375 does MS want everybody to learn to speak (English) like him? Wow that would be a disaster

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By: longus https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18349 Mon, 03 May 2010 21:32:58 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18349 It’s really enlightening to read Balangoda man’s and Advocate’s comments.Although I’m not a fluent speaker of English, and sometimes I use the “gode” kind of pronunciation, I’m not wee bit worried about it, as it is not my mother tongue! If I don’t speak my mother tongue properly only I should be ashamed of myself.

As Banangoda Man vividly explains it is a case of the “hunter becoming the hunted”.The English speaking elites who flaunt their refinement to others by speaking English in a way that they think is close to the Queen of England find themselves in an embarrassing situation when the native English speakers in England say that they can’t understand!This is the result of treating an instrument of knowledge as a sacred object that should be worshipped! Another humourous equivalant is the way the village officers or Aarachchilas treated the villagers in the colonial days.They showed to the villagers that they were very close to the British Officers in the city and treated the villagers like trash. But when they were in the company of the “White Masters” they were treated in the same way,which they would like to keep away from the villagers!

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By: Pearl Thevanayagam https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18317 Sun, 02 May 2010 22:32:47 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18317 If I am not mistaken I met Michael Mehler with his Sri Lakan wife who is a friend of Nireka Starkloff, an anthropologist and he was compiling Sri Lankan idoms and expressions.

One cannot move forward in this global village unless we look at the idiosynchrocasies of a nation.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam that we need to gear ourselves forward to the 21st century and not be hung up on medieval English.

Wicked is no longer a term for being cruel. It means in teenage parlance ‘brilliant’.

So cannot we be a wee bit tolerant and swallow our pride in assimilating Sri Lankan English.

Once you have mastered the rudiments of a language it is only befitting that we make our own interpretations.

We honestly need tofat-forward to the 21st century.

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By: suha cassim https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18305 Sun, 02 May 2010 15:06:52 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18305 Hi Mike,

I read what you had written with a great deal of interest..There is nothing ‘wrong’ with SL Eng. and perhaps it will fit well into the literature mode like other Englishes have around the world..however I don’t believe that it will be ‘accepted’ as the ‘correct English’.
All who have ventured into this study are educated in the SE to begin with and THEY will never use SL. E. unless and when necessary.
It will also be seen as ‘standardising ‘broken’ English’ . For as long as SE rules the job market where the writing of it is required the users of SE will always be prefered or even required to those who use other Englishes for the simple reason that it is the most understood globally. Even in the Public and Private enterprises in SL those who use the queen’s english will have an advantage. SL E can stand as a derivant of SE because there is no real grammer or structure to it..
Like your work, congrats..take care! Suha.

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By: BalangodaMan https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18270 Sat, 01 May 2010 11:11:25 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18270 Yes it is Michael – my apologies.

Michael, I was unfamiliar with your work until now. I can now see the focus of ‘Sri Lankan English’ in your work – the English as is spoken/used in Sri Lanka.

I now realise, my piece is way off topic – as it is about English as spoken by Sri Lankans abroad and how we are perceived in some international settings from our ‘lingual presentation’. (an afterthought. Audiences are puzzled because SL people sound extremely fluent in English yet make fundamental mistakes phonetically. I am often asked why)

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By: NotMike https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18263 Sat, 01 May 2010 06:10:15 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18263 His name is Michael, not Mike.

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By: Sujeewa de Silva https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18251 Sat, 01 May 2010 03:01:36 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18251 The above comment by BalangodaMan further validates my personal belief that we Sri Lankans, while happily speaking what can be considered standard Sri Lanken English here(but, please, not the “iskool”-type of English even in that context), would do well to take the trouble to learn an internationally accepted variety of it too. In an age when it is increasingly becoming important to act as citizens of the global village, being able to communicate without the hiccups associated with a purely regional form of English is definitely going to be an advantage.

On the other hand, more and more affluent Sri Lankans send their children abroad for their studies at present, and it goes without saying that they will pick up international English in the process. Isn’t there the chance that those who follow their studies here will find themselves at a certain disadvantage even here in the future because of their local English, especially when it comes to higher-paying types of employment? Isn’t there the possibility that what happened to the present generation of Sri Lankans because of their “Sinhala only” (for reasons too well-known to discuss here) could happen to the next one because of their “Sri Lankan English only”?

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By: BalangodaMan https://groundviews.org/2010/04/27/sri-lankan-english-the-state-of-the-debate/#comment-18222 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:06:51 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=3098#comment-18222 Confining my comments to SPOKEN English only, and assuming Mike covers spoken English within Sri Lankan English …

The second comment by Advocate about the ‘pin’ ‘king’ and ‘tin’ has an important relevance, if I may elaborate.

I have a few more examples below but first, in my view HOW you speak (abroad) does a lot more than convey what you are trying to say. Also if English is used as an international language it is necessary that everyone understands it, whatever English it is. IOW, it has to be recognised as ‘English’ by people internationally, not just other Sri Lankans.

Your English says a lot more than what you have to say: People in English speaking countries already have an awareness that there are countries where English is not the first language. When we make GAFFES (!) in our English abroad we immediately signal to our audience that we are from such a place. The problem is, perhaps unkindly, there is a presumption that the speaker hasn’t had a good education generally, as evidenced by that gaffe, when in reality the speaker may have had an excellent general education in SL. Maybe even went to Visaka Vidyalaya or St Thomas’ College.

We know this thing very well in SL already. Someone mentioned ‘iskool’ earlier and I would add ‘shoketsorber’ (shock absorber) and ‘put ball’. The previous generation to mine used to describe people from the outstations as ‘not, pot, got haaaa-u leeee-u’ (the ‘not’ pronounced as in the Sinhala short ‘o’ and the last two words should be ‘have’ and ‘leave’ but pronounced in a way more comfortable to the Sinhala tongue). People who pronounced like this signalled their origins and our narrow-minded society made judgements based on this (‘goday’). (I’m not sure if this is still true).

Exactly the same happens to the English speaking SL elite when they go abroad, to the UK say. I hear the words ‘allowed’ pronounced ‘aloved’ and New York becoming ‘Niv York’. And there is the ‘Niv ear’. There is often the accent on the wrong syllable (‘apparently’ with accent on first syllable) and mixing up of ‘v’ and ‘w’. I even hear ‘moowies’ and ‘wideo’ from SL people who have lived in the West for decades. The audience is puzzled. An English person once asked me if the speaker has a speech impediment!

(‘Aloved’ and ‘Niv York’ – this is because the ‘iskool’ people say ‘lau’ instead of ‘love’. So the mistaken SL elite abroad think ‘Allow’ and ‘New York’ if pronounced correctly is incorrect – ie. ‘goday’!)

Does the writer Mike mean Sri Lankan English should validate ‘aloved’ and ‘Niv York’ and ‘moovies’ and ‘wideo’?

If so, what chance the Oxford Dictionary picks it up as an alternative pronunciation?

Now an important distinction. Though we are English speakers (we are) but we may be speaking to ENGLISH-LISTNERS. In SL we are not English listeners, we are Sinhala or Tamil listers. Let me explain the difference. In SL whilst we speak grammatically correct English, we actually speak with Sinhala phonetics (see above Advocate’s observation about the aspirant in front of the plosives ‘k’ ‘t’ ‘p’, and the Sinhala long ‘o’ vowel sound in ‘home’ rather than the diphthong ‘eu’, and the Sinhala hard ‘r’ versus the English soft ‘r’. I can go on …). We listen in Sinhala-phonetics. We understand each other in both Sinhala and English but in both languages we speak with the same phonetics (with added ‘f’). But international speakers do not have that advantage in being able to hear in Sinhala, though the language spoken is English. Often English listeners hear a language being spoken but do not immediate realise it is English. For example, when the French speak English (except those with language laboratory training) it sounds like they are speaking French. Similarly with other nationalities. What does it sound like when an Englishman or a Japanese person speaks Sinhala? Isn’t it true that some of us find it funny?

Differentiating ‘SLE’ from incorrect English and slang is, whilst having its technical difficulties, is also in my experience heavily charged with social politics in SL and in the diaspora. The very people who look down upon the ‘goday’ in SL are in turn similarly regarded in the English speaking countries for their gaffes!
For this reason, after moving abroad I took a language lab training course from an audio course I bought from the BBC. My SL friends considered that to be an insult to …. (wait for it …) an insult to them (!) as apparently ‘we Sri Lankans speak the best English in the World’. Unfortunately, despite their sentiments and my excellent education in SL people had difficulty understanding what I was saying, until this audio course and some hard work.

We can learn from our children born and brought up in English-speaking countries I suppose. (but I have to relate an incident where I heard my SL friend telling off his 7 year old son – who was incidentally born and brought up in England – that it is pronounced ‘wegitables’ and not ‘vegitables’! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I should have killed him there and then! LOL!)

I might suggest to Mike that Sri Lankan English can be validated as something like Creole, in which case anything goes. But that may be considered somewhat derogatory by Sri Lankans.

I think the question is, in the international arena, would the international community take the trouble to ‘learn to hear’ SLE as enthusiastically as they have ‘learned to hear’ English with a French, German or Japanese accent? In other words, what’s in it for them? Are we that important to them?

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