Comments on: DO WE NEED A CHANGE? https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=do-we-need-a-change Journalism for Citizens Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:04:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13988 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:04:11 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13988 This is another sort of generosity you have to be careful about… Like I said not everyone’s intentions are good or do good just because they think they’re doing the right thing.

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=au&topic=w&ncl=dJMRGa0pkxzfvfM2KAMKikvlHRpUM

Heshan says desperate people should bend over and open their behind for business just because they’re poor and beggars can’t be choosers. I’m simply saying NOT NECESSARILY!

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13952 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:34:54 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13952 Heshan said,
January 31, 2010 @ 8:14 am

Here is a picture of evil Americans building houses for Sri Lankans after the tsunami:

http://fieldnotes.unicefusa.org/tsunamiUNI47438.jpg

Pictures can be deceiving! Maybe the guys in the picture were really CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ready to convert the proud Sons of the Deshaya. Only KING MAHINDA can build houses for the Sons of The Soil (of course, he might build a few for himself in the process).

Here is a picture of LTTE supporter Hillary Clinton!

http://sinhale.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sec_state1.jpg

The true colours of Hehsan always eventually comes to light towards the end of a discussion, resorting to DRIVEL. And you always miss the point. True generosity should come without strings attached don’t you think? 😉

Most countries when they financially assist other nations they always have their interests as motivation. There was a time when Taliban was in the payroll of US through CIA.

Yes US has immensely assisted Sri Lanka and is grateful when they did it with less insidious intentions. Since the LTTE lobbyists have made way into influencing foreign policy towards SL, we are more hesitant in accepting assistance and have partnered with nations that are more inclined to respect the administration’s own road map.

“According to my friend Observer, 5 billion Japanese were killed when the Americans dropped two bombs in 1945. Of course, if you ask him why there are any Japanese left, he might not give you an answer…”

If you want to get hung up on a number I didn’t say as your only feeble argument against atrocities in Japan, why don’t you watch Fog of War listen to what the architect says that they did there? Who the hell are you and why would anyone listen to you over the man him self? Do you think we’re idiots? We just swallow your ill-informed rubbish? Listen to how their daily incendiary and other bombing raids took out average of 50-60% of civilians towns before even dropping 2 nuclear bombs. Jesus!

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13941 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:45:24 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13941 Off the Cuff / Observer:

Here is a video of US forces attacking a village in Iraq. Please be warned, it is very graphic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_1qdemp5eI

Heshan, in all seriousness, I think this is the actual video you should watch. Food for thought…

http://bit.ly/yWbFi

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13940 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:21:30 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13940 Due to the poor commenting system in this forum I lose track of old discussions until I come across them accidently by featuring in the front page. So sorry for taking my time.

“What is your proof that 30,000 Tamils were NOT killed?”

The lack of proof!

“Why were journalists not allowed into where the final battle took place? “

Already explained this above & I won’t repeat my self. So read my lips ^^. You can however disagree with me.

“How do you explain the giant craters at the sight of the last battle? “

It was a hotly contested issue by both parties that the “crates” were the result of the other parties shelling. It’s one’s word against another. So you can’t form an argument from it.

“Use your common sense here; you have hundreds of thousands of people clustered into a tiny space, and they are being shelled, aerially bombed, and shot at for months. It is not difficult to presume 30,000 of them will be killed.”

SLA always maintained that they did not areal bomb the no fire zone. There is no credible proof of this to this date. Again just allegations & accusation. The artificial could cover doesn’t guarantee rain, if you catch my drift.

“India has been busy doing more productive things, like following a plan of state-by-state development according to the model of FEDERALISM it adopted in 1948, creating millions of engineers, etc. etc.”

Indeed so productive that millions have to live in conditions not even fit for humans so they can have enough funding for a space program and nuclear weapons. It’s all about how many people should suffer in order to maintain its security isn’t it? Can you blame them? Anyway I’ll keep measuring India’s standing in its citizens living conditions. FYI I am not against federalism. I am for practical federal solutions. For small islands, federalism is a joke! It is a solution for large countries, either geographically or population wise.

“He would need permission from the Sri Lankan Ministry of Defense. “

Of course, Sri Lanka has a sovereign right to screen all foreign visitors to the country. Like all other countries do. I’m sure a child would have no problems as such. Unlike when visiting US, he can be guaranteed that there will be no perverts at the air port with xray body scanners violating his rights.

“Have you heard of the LTTE agent Hillary Clinton? “

She is a politically ambitious woman in need of campaign funds. And money talks! You know how things work in Washington. Rajaratnam paid handsomely to her campaign which is no secret. And it is no secret he made his fortunes cheating other people – a criminal. So you probably do not want to dig too deep into this stuff. Anything goes in Washington, you of all people should not be so naive. It’s just business! That’s ok, we just have to make more money so we can make sure that we can outbid the other party. Political lobbying can be an addictive thing.

“She is a clever one.”

Not clever enough to beat Obama. And not clever enough to smell perfume 😉 They lady is ambitious nonetheless, she deserves credit.

“This is why every visitor to Mother Lanka should be hit on the head with a stick by the brave Lions in the MOD to see what they’re really up to.”

Well in your country, NSA, CIA screen them, here we do it the MOD, CID way. Just different acronyms, but the same ol’ sh1t.

“According to King Mahinda, the security forces did not harm a single civilian. “

Yes not a single civilian was harmed intentionally. However, unintended casualties do occur in urban fighting. You just had a slight misunderstanding in the interpretation of what he said.

“So that would mean a couple hundred thousand bloody civilians.”

According to you Heshan, according to you…. According to a large propaganda machine we’re aware of and we’re actively engaging.

“Did you actually watch the documentary or just read the back of the box?”

I have the DVD and I have seen it few times. There are some good life lessons. I actually have quite a bit of respect for Mr. MacNamara. He is a true patriot. I have similar views of war to him. It is a dirty business, but has to be done when all other options fail. At least he has the decency to admit they have done wrongs, unlike someone here who thinks he is more authoritative on the facts of wars from that era than the defence secretary himself. He admits that they just did what they had to in order to win the war. Quoting loosely… “In that single night, we burnt to death 100,000 civilians in Tokyo – men, women and children”. So they fire bombed bombed a wooden city into submission. And I just love the scene that follows that bit – numbers falling out of the sky. He makes a good point though, had they lost the war, they would have been most definitely tried for war crimes. Luckily the allies won and the Nazis got prosecuted – rightly so. But the Allies weren’t saints either. I know you won’t admit to it, because I understand your type. Haha

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13939 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:14:26 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13939 Here is a picture of evil Americans building houses for Sri Lankans after the tsunami:

http://fieldnotes.unicefusa.org/tsunamiUNI47438.jpg

Pictures can be deceiving! Maybe the guys in the picture were really CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES ready to convert the proud Sons of the Deshaya. Only KING MAHINDA can build houses for the Sons of The Soil (of course, he might build a few for himself in the process).

Here is a picture of LTTE supporter Hillary Clinton!

http://sinhale.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sec_state1.jpg

Why does anyone listen to her? America is the biggest terrorist! According to my friend Observer, 5 billion Japanese were killed when the Americans dropped two bombs in 1945. Of course, if you ask him why there are any Japanese left, he might not give you an answer…

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By: Off the Cuff https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13926 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:00:59 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13926 “This film should shock decent Americans, above all men and women who served in Americas Armed Forces” says Capt Richard Kiepher, the Ships Doctor.

On June 8, 1967, Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats attacked a US navy ship. There were 840 American Naval personnel on board. A US aircraft carrier from the sixth fleet responded to the desperate call from the ship by launching attack aircraft. Robert McNamara recalled the aircraft at 2:35 p.m. allowing the attack to continue. The aim of the attack was to sink the ship leaving no witnesses as even Napalm was dropped on it. 34 Naval personnel died and 172 were injured.

See and understand how American Politicians sacrifice even Americans to achieve political ends. See how they LIE when they try to cover up. In this case the witnesses are American, the victims are American and the ship is American. Only a fool will try to defend horrendous crimes of this nature. How can anyone believe in US INTERNAL investigations after watching this film?

As the doctor states ONLY DECENT Americans will be shocked !!!!

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By: wijayapala https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13737 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:23:50 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13737 Dear Heshan,

The Indian hand was there from start to finish; look at the timing of “official” visits to India by SL politicians, you will see what I mean.

Now you’re accusing Thol. Thirumavalagan of conspiring with the GSL against the LTTE????

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13728 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:15:54 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13728 Dhiraj:

“Sonia was in power a long while ago; if the crushing of the LTTE was all due to India then it would have been done ages ago but that didn’t happen.”

The first time India was in SL, it (IPKF) was there as a peacekeeping force. It’s objective was not to destroy the LTTE, but to enforce the terms of the Indo-Lanka Accord. India never prepared for an all-out offensive war against the LTTE; preparation was limited to what could be put together spontaneously. If India had prepared for an all-out offensive war, things might have been different, even the first time. On another note, the Indian Army has improved significantly since its IPKF fiasco days. To say that it could not now take on the LTTE is inaccurate. What is more, modern armies have evolved to the point that they can lend their expertise in limited form to other armies fighting in different conflict areas. That is why some Sri Lankan pilots were trained in India and many Sri Lankan Army generals receive training from Sandhurst/West Point, etc.

“Like I said, India did help Sri Lanka militarily and diplomatically but that was only after it was pretty obvious the SL armed forces were heading towards victory.”

Hahaha. If India had wanted to, it could have sent its own troops and forced Sri Lanka to sign a ceasefire. That is why Mahinda and his brothers made numerous begging trips; at every stage, they wanted a guarantee from India that it would provide weapons, diplomatic cover, and not personally intervene to save the LTTE.

“Now I know it is galling for a Tamil nationalist such as yourself”

Sorry, but I’m not a Tamil or a nationalist. Resorting to ad hominem attacks only shows your argument lacks substance, period.

“…to accept that Sri Lanka (read “Sinhalese”) managed to destroy the LTTE, but the truth is Sri Lanka’s political and military leadership worked extremely well together to finish off the Tamil Tigers.”

The fact that it took 30 years for them to “work extremely well together” to realize their objective is an oxymoron in and of itself. Which nation needs 30 years to finish off an enemy that is grossly outnumbered and outpowered?

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13727 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:01:54 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13727 Off the Cuff / Observer:

Here is a video of US forces attacking a village in Iraq. Please be warned, it is very graphic:

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/17/do-we-need-a-change/#comment-13726 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:57:01 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2507#comment-13726 Observer:

“For the record 30,000 Tamils were not killed.”

What is your proof that 30,000 Tamils were NOT killed? Why were journalists not allowed into where the final battle took place? How do you explain the giant craters at the sight of the last battle? Use your common sense here; you have hundreds of thousands of people clustered into a tiny space, and they are being shelled, aerially bombed, and shot at for months. It is not difficult to presume 30,000 of them will be killed.

“So now you change from weapons to permission!”

Weapons, permissions, everything. That is the price that Sri Lanka will pay for its ambitions of Sinhala-Buddhist hegemony – Sri Lanka will always be second to India. Ever since DS Senanayake said YES to the first colonization scheme, and Sarath Fonseka said Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese, India has been busy doing more productive things, like following a plan of state-by-state development according to the model of FEDERALISM it adopted in 1948, creating millions of engineers, etc. etc.

“Round of applause for the kid who visited Iraq. Tell him he can visit Sri Lanka too!”

He would need permission from the Sri Lankan Ministry of Defense. Too many foreigners act as LTTE agents and visit Mother Lanka only to disgrace it. 🙂 Have you heard of the LTTE agent Hillary Clinton? She is a clever one. First her husband raised money for the tsunami relief, then four years later she is making pro-LTTE statements. This is why every visitor to Mother Lanka should be hit on the head with a stick by the brave Lions in the MOD to see what they’re really up to.

“So what bloody civilians were the journalists gonna speak to?”

According to King Mahinda, the security forces did not harm a single civilian. So that would mean a couple hundred thousand bloody civilians.

“I know people like you are quick to forget those sorry episodes! But why should we? When no one was prosecuted for those crimes against humanity? Never!”

Did you actually watch the documentary or just read the back of the box?

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