http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/

The confessions during the 50-60 minute section of the documentary is very chilling and shows how the average civilian in Iraq was just cannon fodder. I partly do feel for these troubled guys but still it’s no excuse. Shocking revelations from soldiers that would have never been heard not for the murder incident they were involved in.

Above all its astonishing that how many times the military covered up many aspects of their soldiers. They recruited people with criminal back grounds, psychological issues and drug abuse!! It doesn’t take a genius to figure out how many civilian deaths the US military would have covered up to keep their dwindling force levels in the battle, instead of court marshalling them. And once it has become all to much for these mad maxes finally breakdown revealing their trigger happy murderous deployment in Iraq. Transparency in the NATO forces? You can laugh your head off now! If you were naive enough to believe it thus far.

This is why I still firmly believe sometimes swift, decisive end to wars are the best humanitarian outcome!

I guess there is plenty of material in this thread and the other thread about the fake execution video of the double standards the West takes when it comes to wars. International probe? Over our sovereign dead body!

Human has given you more than you can chew in the above post.

Why are you looking for a magic number of Seven? Is it to hide behind?

Be a man and except the Truth. The USA HAS committed innumerable atrocities and prevents Independent International investigations that should end up in the ICJ at the Hague.

The murder of 24 Iraqi civilians including women and children happened in 2005. Five years later, the case still drags on. Out of 8 originally charged in the USA 7 have already been freed. This in spite of Eye Witness evidence of a survivor, a 12 year old Girl. This is how a COVER UP works.

24 civilians died and finally no one would be responsible. Probably the Guns and Grenades fired all by itself.

Even if there is just ONE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION by them and you have accepted that there are (there are many, the case of the Gang rape and Murder Janabi an Iraqi Child, the Massacre at Haditha etc where a 12 year old girl is an Eye witness etc) the USA should allow Independent, International, Impartial Investigations “IF IT HAS DONE NO WRONG”. What do they have to fear?. Why don’t they allow an International investigation to clear their name? Sounds familiar? Of course those are the very same questions that the HR Pall bearers continue to ask from Lanka but shamefully is unable to ask the USA led Nato forces and its Allies.

Only a DISHONEST person can argue that such an investigation is unnecessary and in the same breath call for International investigations of the CH4 where you cant even identify Lanka as the country where the crime was committed. You need Flexible Morality and Flexible Rules in order to do so.

Who can hold such a Morally CORRUPT country as a Model?
Only a similarly morally Corrupt person can.

Alston prefers to be blind an inarticulate while you are both Blind and Articulate.

Here are several incidents with high casualties involving the U. S. where there were NO investigations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia (12 specific incidents)

Civilian casualties
Human Rights Watch “concludes that as few as 489 and as many as 528 Yugoslav civilians were killed in the ninety separate incidents in Operation Allied Force”. Refugees were among the victims. Between 278 and 317 of the dead, between 56 and 60 percent of the total number of deaths, were in Kosovo. In Serbia, 201 civilians were killed (five in Vojvodina) and eight died in Montenegro. Almost two thirds (303 to 352) of the total registered civilian deaths occurred in twelve incidents where ten or more civilian deaths were confirmed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(December_1998)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Iraqi Health Ministry
The Health Ministry of the Iraqi government estimated 87,215 Iraqi violent deaths between January 1, 2005 and February 28, 2009. The number excludes thousands of people who are missing and civilians who were buried in the chaos of war without official notice. If included, those would raise the number of dead for that period by 10 to 20 percent according to the government official who provided the data to the Associated Press. The data was in the form of a list of yearly totals for death certificates issued for violent deaths by hospitals and morgues between Jan. 1, 2005, and Feb. 28, 2009. The Health ministry does not have figures for the first two years of the war.[5]
[edit]Associated Press
The Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009. This number is per the Health Ministry tally of 87,215 covering January 1, 2005 to February 28, 2009 combined with counts of casualties for 2003-2004, and after February 29, 2009 from hospital sources and media reports.[5] For more info see farther down at Associated Press and Health Ministry. More information.

I’m sure there are hundreds of incidents right there now involving the U. S. which have not resulted in any convictions.

The point has been sufficiently proved: that you cannot find seven incidents involving the US military, spanning a five year period, where there have been no convictions.

For the record, I have no problems with Alston investigating the USA (or any other country). But if he investigates the USA, he will not find anything new. In other words, a total waste of time.

Your slip is showing Heshan, having difficulty in answering pertinent questions relating to CH4 and the Atrocious crimes of your friends?

The more you try to defend your friends the more you degenerate intelectually.

We are talking of JUSTICE dispensed by Either an Iraqi Court where the ABOMINABLE CRIMES were committed or by an INTERNATIONAL, INDEPENDENT, IMPARTIAL Court acceptable to the Iraqi’s who are the VICTIMS.

Sham trials are no replacement for JUSTICE.

Without beating about the bush answer the following questions directly in relation to each of the crimes that the US Forces have committed and the crime depicted in the CH4 Video.

1. What is the Country where the purported crime was Committed?
2. Where is the Place where the purported crime was Committed?
3. What was the Time when the purported Crime was Committed?
4. What is the Identity of the Criminals?
5. Can you Identity of the Victims?
6. Can you produce the Bodies of the Victims?
7. Have the Murder weapons been found?
8. Are there any Eye witnesses that have come forward to give evidence?

Here is another list:

1. Cat
2. Mouse
3. Lemonade
4. Chocolate cookie
5. Buddhist monk

Above list is clearly nonsense. When you throw around allegations from very different sources – allegations which have not been independently verified in a Court of Law or military tribunal – then you also have nonsense. There is a difference between allegations made in a Court of Law/military tribunal and allegations made before a BBC camera crew. Ever seen the TV show, “Star Search”, with Ed McMan? 🙂 I think it applies here.

Once again, if your contention is that the US military tribunals do not function efficiently, then you will have it to prove it with numbers.

1. Incident 1 (conviction/no conviction)
2. Incident 2 (conviction/no conviction)
3. Incident 3 (conviction/no conviction)
4. Incident 4 (conviction/no conviction)
5. Incident 5 (conviction/no conviction)
6. Incident 6 (conviction/no conviction)
7. Incident 7 (conviction/no conviction)
…..n Incident n (conviction/no conviction)

That’s all you have to do. Find seven or more incidents involving the US military where there have been no convictions. Then I will agree with you that Alston should investigate. To avoid double standards, let it be said that I can find, in half an hour 300 incidents involving the Sri Lankan military that have not been investigated. Give me 24 hours and I can find 3000.

I don’t intend to allow you to divert attention from the MAIN ISSUE.

A SHAM Court Martial is no replacement for a trial by an Impartial, INTERNATIONAL, Independent Court of Law

Why is the USA consistently subverting Justice by not allowing that?

It’s not only the Military that they are protecting but private companies like BLACKWATER who along with the military went on the rampage in Iraq.

What is the USA trying to hide?

If they have done no wrong why do they fear such an Independent International Inquiry?

Your own arguments have returned to haunt you

Here is a list I gave you 10 days ago that remains unanswered.

1. Country where the purported crime was Committed
2. Place where the purported crime was Committed
3. Time when the purported Crime was Committed
4. Identity of the Criminals
5. Identity of the Victims
6. Bodies of the Victims
7. Murder weapons
8. Eye witnesses that have come forward to give evidence

ALL the above are available in support of the Alleged Criminal Violations of HUMAN RIGHTS committed by the US led Allied forces but NONE are available in support of CH4, so why does Alston have selective Amnesia?

I asked you to make a list.

Here is an example of a list:

1. Incident 1 (conviction/no conviction)
2. Incident 2 (conviction/no conviction)
3. Incident 3 (conviction/no conviction)
4. Incident 4 (conviction/no conviction)
5. Incident 5 (conviction/no conviction)
6. Incident 6 (conviction/no conviction)
7. Incident 7 (conviction/no conviction)
…..n Incident n (conviction/no conviction)

Can you make a list such as the above? Next to each incident involving the US military, indicate whether or not there has been a conviction. Such a list is called raw data . It is the criteria which Alston uses to decide whether or not a formal investigation is necessary. If you want to prove Alston is guilty of double standards, then you have to show he is manipulating the data. Remember to list enough incidents; otherwise no valid inference can be drawn from the data.

“All of these cases involving the US military have already gone before an independent, impartial Court of Law – its called a military tribunal.”

Heshan, we are not talking of SHAM Courts with SHAM prosecutions and Face Saving Verdicts. That is called a COVER UP.

These atrocities and Human Rights Violations were committed on Foreign Soil. Normally the Law of the Land applies and Justice is meted out in the Country where the CRIMES were committed.

Asking a Thieve ‘s Mother to Deliver Justice is not what the VICTIMS want.

We are talking of independent, impartial, INTERNATIONAL Courts of Law, the same thing that the USA and people like you are trying to impose on SL.

Why does the US FEAR “Impartial, INTERNATIONAL, Independent Courts of Law”, if it does not have ANYTHING to HIDE?

Why is Alston hiding from his responsibilities?

Why does the US prevent Impartial, INTERNATIONAL, Independent investigations and prosecutions?

What is it HIDING?

Why? Why? WHY?

All of these cases involving the US military have already gone before an independent, impartial Court of Law – its called a military tribunal. There have been instances where the military tribunal has convicted soldiers, and there have been cases where the military tribunal has not convicted soldiers. Your argument seems to be that the military tribunal does not work only because every soldier is not convicted in every case. What you need to do is make a list of all possible cases and next to the list, indicate whether or not there has been a conviction. Let’s see if you are capable of making such a list (I highly doubt you are because it would reveal the flaws in your logic).