Comments on: DAYAN JAYATILLEKA’S CRITIQUE OF TAMIL NATIONALISM: A COMMENT https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dayan-jayatilleka%25e2%2580%2599s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment Journalism for Citizens Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12623 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:25 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12623 “What we need is the power sharing at the centre in a federal set up.”

Federalism is a novel concept that has yet to be tested in SL. It is, of course, far more complex than the present unitary model. The average citizen would need quite some time to digest its ramifications. It is the job of intellectuals to make it more palatable and present it to the public for further viewing. Unfortunately, as the title of this thread indicates, such intellectuals have side-stepped the issue in favor of petty nationalist politics. In the absence of such enlightenment, the unassuming voter too succumbs to the sway of politicians, as these rather careless comments by Mahinda Rajapakse indicate:

“.. my theory is: there are no minorities in Sri Lanka, there are only those who love the country and those who don’t… No way for federalism in this country. For reconciliation to happen, there must be a mix [of ethnicities].

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By: samuthra https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12608 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:34:50 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12608 Dear Publius,
Thanks for setting out an alternative prospective to challenge Dayan’s analysis and prospective. Dayan always forcefully put his view and backs his view by providing selective evidence from history.
What you have produced is a fresh look at how best to address issues confronting the country. I call this a vision. If there is consensus then lets work towards achieving this and leave how best to achieve this to the politicians. They may consider many strategic decisions and small steps. One of the strategic decision could be to implement the 13th amendment now, but changing it later ( I don’t advocate this, it is an example ). What Dayan is articulating; are these tactical or strategic steps in the current geo political and other factors dictates. He hasn’t addressed the vision for the country. But assume the prevailing political landmass is going to remain and based on that accept any concession from the regime. That is not acceptable to majority of the Tamil speaking people. Let’s discuss the vision which will address the country’s problems. The difficulties, concerns, grievances and aspirations are unique to each community. Any proposal need to be able to address all of these. Where Dayan is flawed is, he always address the Tamils in the North and East as one block and the only block with grievances. For me there are many groups which has grievances; take the example of Up country Tamils, the families of JVP cadres who were killed or disappeared, the journalist who are harassed, wrong end of the law and order chaos, Muslims etc. Unless we address these issues, proposals will not have the support of the majority of the people of all communities. Tamil speaking people are well aware that unless we are prepared to address all these, non of the proposals will be effectively implemented. Good example is 13th and 17th amendment. I am not convinced this regime will ever implement the constitution in full. To that extent, any other regime based on the current political dynamics will not implement the current constitution. The current constitution need change to satisfy the concerns of all communities; respect to human rights, law and order, justice, transparency, language, culture/religion, local resources management ( land , water etc ) etc.
We have currently, have two centres of power (in statue book;, how ever during the current regime it has become one and one family); president and parliament. 13th amendment is an attempt to create a 3rd centre of power in the regional setup. My own view is this will not work as power sharing between these 3 centres are very complicated and could be bureaucratic, resulting in people loosing faith in the system and consequences could be devastating. Need to find an effective way of power sharing. Publius idea worth considering and the most important element is power sharing at the centre; meaning decision making at every level has to be supported by majority of communities it serve.
What we need is the power sharing at the centre in a federal set up. Power sharing means that all communities must be perceived as sharing power and making decision based on the national interest without feeling that their rights violated and their interests are safe guarded.

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By: Huh https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12600 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:10:48 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12600 Regarding Heshan’s post: A Harvard scholar came to the conclusion(somehow) that around 215,000 people have died in the war! That is simply astronomical and it is terrifying to put that number into some kind of language–215,000….That is the equivalent of the entire town I live in, in America, being wiped out.

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By: Mike https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12494 Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:27:21 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12494 In stead of empty words, it will be worth while to hear the estimates for the following, from the son who saved the mother land in the special session and also knows it all:
how many tamil civilians were killed by Sri Lanka governments?
how many sinhala civilians were killed by tamil militants (including LTTE)?
how many tamil civilains were killed by tamil militants (including LTTE)?
how many sinhala civilians were killed by Sri Lanka governments, during the ethnic conflict?

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By: Heshan https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12489 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:59:24 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12489 “Far from being morally equivalent, the Sri Lankan state at its worst cannot be as bad as the LTTE at its best, in terms of human rights”

Simple statistics will contradict the above point:

(1) 20,000 Sinhala youth killed during JVP times

(2) 30,000 Tamil civilians killed during the last few months of the insurgency

(3) 10,000 ex-LTTE who surrendered and whose whereabouts have no paper trail. We can assume they will never see daylight again

(4) 600 Tamil youth who disappeared during the first few months of 1996, after “Operation Sunshine”

(5) Dozens of journalists murdered or incarcerated, and the thousands of Tamil civilians who died due to protracted aerial bombing and intended assault, or who simply disappeared, or who were raped… all under the patronage of the state-sponsored draconian legislation known as the PTA

If we add up the above figures, we can say with a fair amount of reassurance that close to 80,000 people died as a result of state-sponsored violence. What is interesting is that the total casualties of the war are thought to hover around 100,000, with some overlap in the figures I gave. But these are conservative estimates. The true figure will never be known.

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By: jansee https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12469 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:26:35 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12469 Dayan:

“Far from being morally equivalent, the Sri Lankan state at its worst cannot be as bad as the LTTE at its best, in terms of human rights, for the simple reason that the former is in some degree accountable to electors as well as the international community”.

With all the white vans, murders of journalists, commando-style attacks (Rupavahini), bombing the civilians and hiding it from world, what more do you want to prove that this regime is as equally or even more worse than the LTTE? There can be and should be no denial on the recalcitrant attitude of the LTTE but it was a banned outfit, treated as a pariah by the civilised world but one would have expected a higher standard of the SL regime but sadly it behaved worse than the LTTE. I do not really understand what do you mean by that the SL regime is in some degree accountable to the international community? Doesn’t this sound odd?

“A fresh move beyond it which will be ably petitioned against by Sarath Silva before the SC, subject to the zero-sum game in parliament and thrown to the wolves at an islandwide referendum where people will almost certainly vote, not so much in accordance with their party loyalties but their ethno-religious and linguistic affiliations and prejudices?”

As if the Tamils are not aware of these prejudices? Then what? It is because of this and after trying peaceful means, the Tamils supported the LTTE because the Sinhala south will never address the Tamil’s greivances. Of course, the wholesale of the LTTE and with blood on its hands, it fast lost its credibility and the diaspora Tamils have to accept their part and contribution to this menace. If, as Dayan says, it is going to be a pipe-dream for the Tamils to get anywhere with the prejudices of the Sinhala majority, then there can be only one solution to this – a separate state and no matter what Dayan or the others think and say, this is the only way to resolve this issue and it will certainly happen one day. Call it a premonition.

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By: wijayapala https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12464 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:01:19 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12464 Publius,

The structural framework for devolution as established by the Thirteenth Amendment and the Provincial Councils Act is problematic in so many respects that are too well known to rehearse here. They include the unworkable dual structure of the provincial executive as between the Governor and the Board of Ministers; the multifarious devices of central government incursion including the Governor’s (read President’s) powers, the weaknesses of the (improperly so called) concurrent list; the national policy clause in the reserved list empowering rampant interference; the weakness of the fiscal and financial framework; and generally (re)centralising nature of the Provincial Councils Act.

I entirely agree with you, the 13th Amendment and Provincial Councils have proven to be an utter failure in the South and Dayan has yet to explain what it will magically accomplish in the North (watch Dayan point out the singular Wayamba experience under Gamini Jayawickrema Perera, while ignoring that of the other six PCs over the last 20 years). That is why the 13th Amendment should be revoked- devolution simply won’t work in SL.

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By: wijayapala https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12463 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:55:59 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12463 Hello again Dayan

The Southern space at least produced a traidion of dissenting scholarship and journalism, while the North and more importantly, the freer Diaspora, did not.

That’s right Dayan, the UTHR-J never dissented against the LTTE. It was part and parcel of the Movement and tricked gullible people into thinking that it was dissent. It is incredible how you exposed their utter lies.

Even more incredible is how you figured out that the Tamils never produced a tradition of dissent when you lack the language skills to read their vernacular literature (unless I’m wrong and you actually do read Tamil). Do you have some magical or psionic insight that allows you to transcend linguistic barriers? Did you have this ability before or after you received your Ph.D or met Castro (the Cuban, not the dead Tiger)?

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By: makalu https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12461 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:13:39 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12461 Dear Friends,
Implementation of 13th amendment or going beyond that may be the real solution for the North East problem in Sri Lanka. However, if any party tries to go on that path, it is obvious,that present regime remains in power, and not only a section of the nation , the whole he nation will have to suffer seriously. I think,India did not play any fair role during past war situation to find a fair solution for minorities in Sri Lanka.
However ,considering the current situation in the country, the best basic step,the whole nation can take is paving way to implement the 17th amendment very soon and eradicate corruption,Wastages,nepotism and inefficiency in the country. From that stage ,after perusing the situation thereof, the relevant parties can proceed to find a suitable solution to the minorities problems. If we are jammed or squeezed in the words like “unitary or united” at his juncture, the time for finding a solution for our problem will be further extended.

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By: Dayan Jayatilleka https://groundviews.org/2010/01/01/dayan-jayatilleka%e2%80%99s-critique-of-tamil-nationalism-a-comment/#comment-12460 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:49:02 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=2354#comment-12460 Dear Publius,

Happy New Year and thanks for the thoughtful , literate intervention, as usual. If I may respond to the constructive criticisms made here by you:

1. Far from being morally equivalent, the Sri Lankan state at its worst cannot be as bad as the LTTE at its best, in terms of human rights, for the simple reason that the former is in some degree accountable to electors as well as the international community. This is a systemic given. The hermetically sealed totalitarianism of the LTTE permitted no Groundviews while the State did even while the war was on. In short, there can be no moral equivalence between a flawed democratic state, which even now, is about to hold an election which may bring ” regime change’ , and a totalitarian terrorist formation. Obama makes much the same point in his Nobel prize acceptance speech, about the viability of Gandhian methods against British democratic colinialism but not against Nazi totalitarianism.

2. The Southern space at least produced a traidion of dissenting scholarship and journalism, while the North and more importantly, the freer Diaspora, did not. No one- JR or JVP– was able to destroy the essentialy democratic ethos of the South. Never did anyone in the South roll bare bodied on hot tarred roads in the noonday sun behind a chariot carrying a portrait of a leader ( say, Wijeweera), as happened dutring the Pongu Thamil celebrations…and no one in the Tamil community wrote in horror about it ( not even from the safety of London). And let’s not put it down to oppression: I don’t recall any processions in Northern ireland of Republicans flagellating themselves as in a Philipino Passion play, while walking behind a portrait of Gerry Adams!

3. Devolution and the 13th amendment: the unitary state will always prevail over devolution. That is not the point. The issue is whether a centralised unitary state will always prevail over a devolved one. If the issue becomes unitary vs non-unitary, then the former will always prevail at a referendum. All it takes is one demagogue. Publius thinks that the 13th amendment isn’t ‘remotely viable’, but in comparison with what? What does he think is viable? A fresh move beyond it which will be ably petitioned against by Sarath Silva before the SC, subject to the zero-sum game in parliament and thrown to the wolves at an islandwide referendum where people will almost certainly vote, not so much in accordance with their party loyalties but their ethno-religious and linguistic affiliations and prejudices? Does anyone seriously expect either MR or SF to go beyond the 13th amendment and be able to see it through as CBK was not? We’ll be lucky if either agrees to fully implement 13.

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