Comments on: What must it be like to live behind these Kovil gates? https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates Journalism for Citizens Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:42:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Shantheni https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11559 Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:42:47 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11559 Marisa,
Tut-tut, do you mean to say that you wrote this piece without checking with the thought police first? How can you claim that you are in sync with the people of the land when you have forgotten the forgotten people of the land, the ones with just one meal per day? Aren’t they the only ones that count? What makes you think that Tamils/Hindus are the ‘other’ in Sri Lanka? I hope you are not misled by the LTTE-SL Army conflict of the past 30 years and Sinhalese pogroms against Tamils from the 1950s to the `970s into thinking that way. No, indeed, in Sri Lanka, the Sinhalese not only remove their footwear when entering a Kovil, but also when they enter Hindu homes. So, relax, buddy! There is no ethnic friction in Sri Lanka—it’s only those nasty do-gooders and Western conspiracists that say so.

Also, please don’t use “lol”, “tc” and happy faces–they are juvenile. But you can use “Columbians” for people living in Colombo, as that is adult city slicker talk, and perfectly permissible.

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By: Off the Cuff https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11557 Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:21:41 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11557 Dear Marisa de Silva,

Quote from your post of November 30, 2009 @ 4:33 pm
Hell, I was brought up in the plantations. My earliest interactions were with ppl from the Tamil community, so pls let’s not try to assume things about each other.

Quotes from your article
I watched the ladies in front of me leave their slippers at a certain point, so I followed suit.

An environment where I wasn’t sure what to do, how to act, who to turn to? An environment where I couldn’t understand the language being spoken, the rituals taking place, the customs and traditions being practiced.

Unquote

The quotes from your article appear to conflict with your post.

Any explanation?

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By: Atheist https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11527 Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:04:25 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11527 Marisa de Silva,

When one has close contacts with ‘just one meal per day people’ and with children who have been fed oft times on just mallung with a little rice, I guess you could say one is somewhat “in sync” with the forgotten people of the land.

Another thing – I am not into “Lol”, “tc” and happy faces. I thought these gimmicks are only used by high school kids. I guess I was wrong!

My “tightly shut mind” is not into: bogus human interest stories, religious fundamentalism, racism and culture vultures.

My “tightly shut mind” I, hence, earned without help from any God. I think YOU never had any of the luck that came my way early on in life!

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By: Marisa de Silva https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11501 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:36:32 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11501 Lol 🙂 And I’m sure you are very much more “in sync” with the people of SL, Atheist. Also considering you’ve got me all figured out, I see no reason to further attempt to engage with you. Good luck and tc! God knows you’re going to need it with that tightly shut mind of yours 🙂

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By: Atheist https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11478 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:49:12 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11478 Marisa de Silva,

Metaphor? Like the ‘potato famer’? Hmm…nice cover, but you’re a day late and dollar short!

We can all fall on the “Oh, it was just a metaphor!” or “I am not into hate literature/speech. Can’t you see it’s just a metaphor?” Please, we are not that gullible. We are not going to be taken in by your last ditch attempt at damage control.

I don’t care where you locate your story – in a Kovil, temple,mosque, church or in a nudist nightclub – as long as it addresses some unity of vision in human existence – not cheap propaganda disguised as a human interest story.

I don’t care where you were brought up; but I can see without a doubt that as far as being “in sync” with the people living in Sri-Lanka – that you aint!

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By: Marisa de Silva https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-11446 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:33:38 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-11446 Observer, Justitia and Atheist, obviously all of you have completely misunderstood and misinterpreted what I’ve written. The post was not about my visit to the Kovil or how vulnerable or insecure I felt at the time. The Kovil was only a metaphor, which could very well represent anything really. A tourist in a foreign country, a person from H’tota visiting Jaffna or vice versa, visiting your in-laws to be for the first time…whatever. It’s about acclimatising yourself to things/people/lifestyles/languages that you’re not particularly familiar with. It was an attempt at identifying with/relating to what it must feel like to technically have all the right to be some place, but still feel as if you really don’t belong there. for some reason. It was about seeing life through someone else’s eyes. My visiting a Kovil had little or nothing to do with what I was actually trying to say. Hell, I was brought up in the plantations. My earliest interactions were with ppl from the Tamil community, so pls let’s not try to assume things about each other. It’s not that due to my upbringing I claim to be some sort of expert on minority rights and grievances, but, I’m sure as hell not so out of sync with them that I would even imply to be “other-ing” or feel “alienated” in their midst. I hope I’m better understood at least now. Thanks!

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By: Observer https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-10917 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:29:07 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-10917 belle, no one expects her to feel at home. That’s not the point. Just don’t be surprised about it. No one expects her to get down with what went on there. It felt unusual when I first went to a Kovil too when I was about 12, instead of feeling vulnerable, the colourful, hectic, noisy atmosphere gave me a sense of a rush. Dwelling on the minority attitude and overly dramatise it just because she experienced a bit of culture shock? Then twist that somehow into a sense of inferiority towards their belonging to their homeland? Hardly necessary.
Do you disagree with me if I say that she’d be more comfortable had she been to a Kovil few times before in her life? Don’t you naturally feel at least somewhat uncomfortable first time you step into a new experience?
I just hate it when people use literary skills with devise tones. It’s the least of which we need right now! How convenient to step into a Kovil for once and to draw all these conclusions!

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By: Belle https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-10868 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:50:19 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-10868 I am quite amazed that Marisa is being taken to task for not feeling at home in a Kovil, in a place of worship that is not her own. We all have visited places of worship other than our own, particularly through sightseeing. Usually, the place of worship only has a few worshippers, and so we don’t feel alien or overwhelmed. But to go to a place of worship other than one’s own during a festive event when the place is full of worshippers, and still feel at home is, to me, very unusual. Surely one would feel alienated since one does not belong to that passion of worship, to that specific context of belief. That feeling of alienation is not about othering the worshippers, but having the ability to see oneself as the ‘other’. That to me was Marisa’s experience. To be able to see oneself as the ‘other’, one has to recognize and respect the cultural difference of the worshippers from oneself. Furthermore, it involves recognizing and respecting the ‘space’ of other communities as not one’s own.

It has been said that Marisa should have felt at home in the Kovil because in Sri Lanka, Buddhists too worship at Hindu temples. I know Hindus who sometimes attend mass and prayers at Christian churches in Singapore, and worship there. But they don’t worship there as if it is THEIR space–they take up the position of GUEST. I hope when Sri Lankan Buddhists worship at Hindu temples, they too take up that position of guest, grateful for being allowed by that community of believers to worship there–and not think that the space belongs to them. This is how colonization happens–when the guest starts to believe that he is the host.

Marisa’s article is to be commended in terms of her attempts to imagine what it must be like to be a member of a minority community. Recognizing that the minority person’s position is different from that of the group in power is the first step towards providing equal rights for all–so that all can feel at home, wherever they are in the country. Marisa writes from that sense of obligation. That, I believe, is why Groundviews featured Marisa’s article.

It is not at all surprising that Justitia, who negates Marisa’s feelings of ‘otherness’ at the Kovil, also says that those who visit places of worship other than their own “need not worry” about these other communities. That is the abominable attitude that has prevailed in Sri Lanka since independence.

Rajapaksa’s visit to the hill shrine at the Tirumala temple, his taking his entire entourage through an entrance reserved by the temple only for VVIPs, was extremely disrespectful. His visit to the temple itself was disrespectful, considering that the temple is attended by Tamil worshippers, given the situation with Tamils in Sri Lanka. He was thumbing his nose at this community and asserting his power to be there despite their displeasure. I am sure he felt entirely at home at the shrine! This is the attitude Justitia is recommending.

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By: Justitia https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-10863 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:06:01 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-10863 I have visited hindu temples,buddhist viharas,christian churches – both catholic & protestant, and even a mosque in sri lanka. I also have visited similar places of worship in india,burma,thailand,malaysia,philipines,
USA &UK only as a sightseer/tourist – during my official travels. I never felt strange.
In sri lanka, many buddhists visit/pray/make vows & donate cash at Vishnu Shrines in the premises of most buddhist temples. They also break coconuts & curse their enemies at these shrines. These shrines are a good source of income for the viharathipathis.I was informed that Vishnu is a Protector of Buddhism. Many buddhists also visit hindu temples and take part in poojas and donate cash. All these people are ‘quite at home’ during these visits.
I have also taken part in Pirith Ceremonies and Hindu Poojas held on anniversaries of state corporations. Once I took part in a Bothi Pooja in a buddhist vihara, organised by the catholic director of a state institute,on request by the employees,to obtain blessings on the muslim minister in charge, who had had a heart attack – he survived. Nowadays, there are photos in the media of buddhist politicians visiting hindu temples in sri lanka and india and taking part in poojas.
One’s reaction on visiting a place of worship other than that of his/her religion,only for curiosity, can vary widely. This writer’s feelings/reactions are his own. His interpretations of what happened and how he felt are conditioned by his social interaction with communities other than his own.
He/she needs not to worry about them. Nor should others.
But it is strange that this account has been included in this forum.

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By: Perviz https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/what-must-it-be-like-to-live-behind-these-kovil-gates/#comment-10820 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:55:40 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1956#comment-10820 Marisa,

A wonderful piece of writting. Simple but enlightening.

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