Comments on: Is Sri Lanka on the East Asian Path? https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path Journalism for Citizens Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:27:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Realist https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-11665 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:27:26 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-11665 Freedom or liberty came to the scene before democracy in the sense of universal suffrage. Remember how the struggle was waged against slavery and against the disfranchisement of women. Bot causes succeeded. But the landed proprietors enjoyed freedom all along. Not only they but even the ordinary people enjoyes freedom and due process of law. The barons protested to King John and extracted a promise from him to uphold the Magna Carta of 1215. Subsequently the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the French Revolution of 1789 led to the execution of the kings who acted autocratically. The essential conditions for liberty were laid down in the Ameerican Revoluttion.
We never had such a struggle for freedom. The barons in 1815 handed over power to the British in return for good governance and the upholding of the rights of the nobles- a situation similar to 1215. But we have after 1978 Constitution accepted autocratic rulers. The President didn’t care tuppence for the Cabinet and he won control of Parliament through inducements and gratificqation given to the Opposition MPs. The disgusting Supreme Court never gave a ruling on the illegality of cross-overs of MPs. So the time has come to struggle for freedom for all the citizens. The EU will no doubt remove the GSP Plus if MR wins and the governmentr will have to depend on China to bail out the economy just as it is doing for North Korea. Our village yakkos will soon learn

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By: Disgusted https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10791 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:51:17 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10791 I am not a political analyst, but as someone from Southeast Asia, I don’t see Sri Lanka being at a stage of emulating the Tiger economies. Singapore developed fast economically because politics was viewed instrumentally as serving the economic function. That’s why the first generation of politicians, who were largely lawyers and cultural pracititioners (journalists, mostly), who emerged during the nationalist independence period to work out the legislation for the new nation, quickly gave way to technocrats in following elections (those with engineering, medical, economics, business and scientific training) who excelled at ‘administration’. In terms of the military too, the first generation of ‘real’ army men gave way to these same technocrats who were placed in leadership positions in the army. For instance, the current PM, is an scholar economist who was a Brigadier General. Scholars are posted to the army, and then sent to head ministries. This is a kind of bureaucratisation of politics, I guess. Their main concerns are not democratisation but running the country ‘efficiently’, and democracy gets in the way of that! Politics is seen as a nuisance, hence the view that only one efficient party is required.

I don’t see this happening in Sri Lanka because it is at a stage now when politics takes precedence over economics. The military too is politicised. Politicians are largely lawyers, journalists or those trained in the humanities/social sciences. It seems to be still at the stage where it is working out its political forms, where the foremost concern among politicians is identity politics, not economics. Sorry to say, I see it as heading more towards Zimbabwe than East Asia and the Tiger economies. An alliance between Wickremasinghe and the left-wing movement, the democratisation of the left-wing movement, is the only way this path can be avoided and some political stability established, long enough for economic progress to get underway. The ethnic issue needs to be sorted out, and ethnic claims never allowed to become an issue again. In Singapore, the Tamil rights issue would never have been allowed to become so big as to lead to the LTTE. There would have been negotiation. Which is why, I suppose, I’m partial to Wickremesinghe.

Liyanage scoffs at the East Asian, South-east Asian path. Granted it meant a compromised form of democracy, but what Liyanage fails to mention is that currently, in these countries, the dynamics of globalizing are forcibly liberalising these countries (and not only in the neo-liberal manner, where the focus is only on financial, business liberalising). If Sri Lanka goes along the East Asian path, that greater democratisation will inevitably happen.

This discourse of East Asian, Southeast Asian authoritarianism is really old and tired.

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By: Pearl Thevanayagam https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10788 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:45:27 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10788 The fourth estate has survied Official Secrets Act, Emergency regulations and PTA. Democracy in Sri Lanka could be on its last legs but the power of independent media is still vibrant even in an authoritarian regime under Mahinda.
Our colleagues have been murdered, abducted, tortured and imprisoned but they are still a force the govt. needs to reckon with.
No politician can stand alone if he/she does not have media on its side.
I am proud to say that while journalists in Sri Lanka are paid a pittance, journalists working for Sinhala, Tamil and English media under extremely trying and dangerous circumstances are still a proud lot unlike the politicians whose only aim in life is to get themselves hoisted on a pedestal so that they could elevate the ranks of their kith and kin.

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By: Ravi https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10785 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:08:34 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10785 Another cats’ paws opinion.

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By: Burmese Model https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10778 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:16:37 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10778 It appears that this discussion is about the possibility of having the cheapest available labour. Having the cheapest available labour would also imply that there would be many who may be unable to find any kind of work and therefore would have to resort to whatever little services they could offer in order to survive such as becoming domestic workers or even beggars. Since this type of thing cannot be done voluntarily force will need to be used and that may mean extrajudicial killings, torture and the like. Under such circumstances civil liberties can have no place. Therefore, we are then reminded that there was a time when, even in countries that are now developed, there was slavery. The argument thus, is that since we are not ‘developed’ yet we must have a right to our slaves.

A further step in the logic is that these slaves need not have the right to elect their governments. Here we are reminded that even in ‘developed’ countries it was at one time only sections of the society that had the right to elect a government. Thus, is Asian and South Asian democracy one which will have that kind of condition for the majority of the people? Here again we are reminded that ‘the middle class’ likes this style of governance. Therefore the advocacy is to have this kind of democracy for some and virtual misery for others.

Indeed, a brave new world with theoretical consistency and empirical soundness and bye-bye to civil liberties. And these civil liberties we are reminded are good only for activists! So much we have learned from the Burmese Junta.

Burmese Model

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By: Burmese Model https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10773 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:25:31 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10773 As I was reading this note by Sumanasiri Liyanage the photograph of Mahinda Rajapakse posing for a picture with Burma’s military dictator Snr-Gen Than Shwe came to my mind. So this is the new model of democracy we are following. What wonderful theoretical consistency and what a lot of empirical substance we have here. So the major flaws of Sri Lankan democratic discourse have been debunked by Mr. Liyanage by presenting to the world a wonderful new model of democracy which he calls East and South Asia Democracy. He is as profound in his analysis as Dayan Jayatilleka check when he spoke of the Sri Lankan state as ‘authoritarian but quintessentially democratic’.

According to Mr. Liyanage in this new model freedom of expression is not a significant factor and one political party can dominate. Inner party rivalry is much more important than the existence of several parties.

Yes indeed! People have been waiting for some rivalry in the Burmese military junta to emerge for many decades now and I suppose there are a lot of inner party rivalries in Singapore. In this new East and South Asia Democracy model India and South Korea will have no place. In these countries there is still freedom of expression and multiparty democracy. Naturally, these are just following the western model. China I suppose is the model of the East Asian democracy where inner party rivalry is what the people can hope for.

Indeed, we are walking towards the brave new world of the ‘East and South Asian model’ which we hope, Mr. Liyanage will explain with great theoretical consistency and empirical substance in his future writings.

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By: warun https://groundviews.org/2009/11/13/is-sri-lanka-on-the-east-asian-path/#comment-10770 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:52:11 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/?p=1945#comment-10770 your argument is flawed for one main reason:

you have merged the idea of Democracy ‘people choosing to govern themselves’ with the idea of ‘civil liberties’. Democracy can exist without the absolute and unfettered exercise of civil libertise. This is a view ‘advocated’ by many western states, who themselves did not allow the same extent of civil libertise to their citizens during the development period. “have you heard of slavery in the USA”.

As you said in your article yourself, the people in Sri Lanka freely choose this ‘authoritaria’ government on their own accord. they came to their choice rationaly, choosing to compromise certain liberties on the short term for enhanced liberties, material prospertiy, economic development and long term peace. This is many democratic nations have had to make in times of war and crisis.

Prehaps, your brand of activism will be better served to correct your own kind, and your own mistakes than seeking to correct the political culture of the country. e.g practice balanced and unbiased ethical journalism.

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