Comments on: SPLIT ASUNDER: FOUR NATIONS IN SRI LANKA https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka Journalism for Citizens Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:34:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: groundviews » ADDRESSING THE NATIONS OF SRI LANKA https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1492 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:34:34 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1492 […] January 27, 2008 at 7:49 am · Categories: Jaffna, Colombo, Peace and Conflict, English, Constitutional Reform, Politics | by groundviews Note: Interacting with Willie Senanayake, Lionel Bopage and other moderates in Australia I found them composing a “Handbook of Answers” to typical objections against devolution presented within the Sinhala speech community. This can be an useful exercise. But then one is facing one’s debating opponents on terrain of their choosing. I propose rather to create a different landscape. This is the product.Inevitably it overlaps with SPLIT ASUNDER. I have responded briefly to brief comments under that topic; but this new essay will hopefully spark further commentary. Note, however, that the Vitharana Committee’s proposals will perhaps overwhelm our thinking when they appear soon. […]

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By: Ordinary Lankan https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1491 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:48:36 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1491 Thank you Dr Michael – this is vey interesting that you should place the free individual as western originated. This is a time for dreamers – who have the heart to put their dreams into practice. If you take the indian spiritual and social tradition from Buddha to Gandhi these were all individuals who revolted with intelligence. They were not so much into institution building but into LIVING and putting the principles and truths they realized into practice. They were masters of compassion and its practical companion – skillful means or upaya kausalya in eastern terms.
Without the earthy commitment that pervades every aspect of an iindividual life we are not getting out of this mess. So the starting point is the self. Individuals are socially constituted but they are not defined solely and exclusively by society. That would be to deny individual autonomy. The buck stops with you and it stops with me. We can no longer take cover behind all this jargon and intellectual expalantions. We have to respond to the challenges of our time as individuals first and then join hands with other like minded individuals. That will be the recreation of a new civilisation on this island. Utopian? If that is the word you like to give it my friend – thank you I will take it.

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By: Michael R https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1490 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:20:08 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1490 MICHAEL R 17 JAN

Thanks fellows for all your comments. I am in SL now and on the move with only intermittent internet access. I can only respond briefly and selectively.

I appreciate Veerthu’s incisive retort to Dayan’s position and its reification of the state and thus of the present order. Cyberviews’ writing is not only lucid, but his questions are pertinent. Some of them are in realms to which my expertise does not extend. Nor are they easy to answer. I do not see evidence of the Elle Gunawansa’s of the world becoming mellower in political perspective -and there are always new Malindas, Champikas etc arising to keep the flames burning – assisted by their mirror images (e.g Pottu Amman) on the other side.

Ordinary Lankan: your position seems utopian to me, rather like Manik Sandrasagara in Circles of Violence albeit with differences. Individualism is part of the Western foundations of the world since the Renaissance and also the basis of market capitalism. But nevertheless all individuals are socially constituted – so the issue is how we should develop institutions in SL that can reproduce a tolerant majority (among all ethnic groups) and a pluralist conception of state and society.

Sumane: while our communitarian identities developed their present shape in the British period and beyond, they had earlier roots. Read Kemper’s books for one angle. Also note my criticism of Ben Anderson in reviewing Kemper for Modern Asian Studies in 1996. But more especially see the arguments and data in my Sinhala Consciousness in the Kandyan Period (2004 Yapa). For the manner in which a caste ideology against mixtures (the karapothu lansi, the thuppahi, the kāberi) was bolstered in the British period by European racial theories (Aryan etc) see the first chapter in PEOPLE INBETWEEN (1989 Sarvodaya). Key evidence for this thesis incidentally comes from the works of Piyadasa Sirisena, a kind of Gunadasa Amarasekara of his time. That time was in the British period, but his thinking was anticipated in the hatan kavi (war poems) of the 17th century and of 1803/04 on the Ingrisi hatana.

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By: ordinary lankan https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1489 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:38:24 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1489 I must thank Dr Dayan for provoking this affirmation of the individual. It is the individual human being who can confirm, modify or disconfirm the state not vice versa. The state is nothing – zero and has no existence without the individual human being. Of course individuals by joining political, racial, religious and other groups can compromise their autonomy and independence but this is always an individual choice. I have learnt in daily life that the mind of the individual human being precedes everything. Do we need academic references or authorities for this proposition? Sri Lankans have been great academics and pundits ever since the monks in King Walagamba’s time decided that learning and not practice is the basis of the Sasana. Since then we have been brilliant preachers and intellectuals and pathetic practitioners of what we preach. As JRJ discovered in the eighties and Dr Mervyn discovered at rupavahini the other day the state has limits. When those limits are reached it meets its mirror image in the form of gross coercion and violence. The individual human being on the other hand can develop internal (as opposed to external) mastery and thereby liberate other human beings and found nations. When such nations become institutionalized and hardened and moribund we call it the state – a splendid cover for all human frailties and sins. Time and time again in Sri Lanka liberators have rescued this ‘state’ from utter ignominy and disgrace. So make no mistake; the individual human being comes first – the state is always a poor third (after nationhood) always deceptive and always insecure. As Henry David Thoreau said in his famous essay on civil disobedience – “I Saw that the state was half witted, that it was timid as a lone woman with her silver spoons, and that it did not know its friends from its foes, and I lost all remaining respect for it, and pitied it.”
The legacy of Prabhakaran has been to sprout pocket Prabhakaran’s in other parts of the country. This is not the end to our collective suffering Dr Dayan. Just another beginning.

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By: ordinary lankan https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1488 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:31:31 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1488 Please forgive me if I speak a little simply here. I have wondered if the only nation we have in Sri Lanka is the muslims because they seem to be joined by something more than individual self interest.
Both sinhalese and tamils should do some serious soul searching as to whether there is in fact any point on which they have a shared morality with their fellow sinhalese or tamils respectively. Does a collection of birth certificates make a nation?
Where is the moral foundation on which independent lanka was built? Or were we complacent in accepting a made in England moral foundation for one of our very own? Now when that English foundation has been blasted we seem to have retreated to feudalism. We need to look for materials to rebuild a new moral foundation and the basic material is individuals – I mean true individuals with moral integrity. Without them we will continue to be agents of a state which is simply the creation of greed and hatred that seeks to perpetuate these qualities.
Untransformed egos will rally round the state and state like entities because they cannot think for themselves. It is only when these egos are shattered and humbled that we will face the fact that ideas like – nationhood are simply ideas and thoughts like pure wind without substance. People fight and kill their brothers not because ‘their’nation exists but to prove to themselves that it does. All conflict is false. We are living in a state of insanity.

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By: sumane https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1487 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:51:40 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1487 i found two problems with the analysis of dr roberts. first his cofederative sri lanka nationalism is in my view closer to what is called civic nationalism. of course there was tendency towards developing civic nationalism during the clonial period. however colinial governence through census, welfare allocation etc also produced what is called ethnic natonalism (bound seriality in andersonian lexicon) that leads to conflict. so i think this distinction in itself is incorrect especially in colonial context. secondly, i do not agree with the view that first-past-the post system contributed to ethnic conflcit. the system gave more representaion to numerically small nations and ethnic groups because of the way in which electorates were demarcated.
well yes state can build nation, big subjects. i think it was mazzine (is spelling correct?) who once said we build italy now we have to build italian nation. am i reversing hs staement, well have to recheck.

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By: cyberviews https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1486 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:33:53 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1486 A scholarly analysis is always edifying, especially to those of us who have to muddle our way through the real politik to make sense of the unfloding political dynamic. I also found in Veedhur’s response, a cogent unravelling of Dr DJ, who though in the past was capable of elucidative analyses himself, seems exposed in the glare of the MR analysis. “- convenient and opportunistic instruments, to use as foil” is clearly applicable to him too! (Remember Geneva and the HR Resolution)

Despite MR’s enlightening analysis, I still have many unanswered questions: In the context of a globalised world and the geo-political realites that play out in a regional and interational context, what will be the impact on Sri Lanka vis-a-vis the India factor? What will be the response of the UK, USA, Japan and the EU? Do we have a Serbia-Kosovo parallel here? or a Northern Ireland parallel, (thanks to the persistence of US facilitation) and notwithstanding the Ian Paisleys who were no different to our Elle Gunawansas and Ellawala Medanandas.

There is also the economic dimension. Can a war be fought with the prospect of the people bucklig under the weight of the economic burdens being relentlessly heaped on the?. Will the government survive in the face of in the wake of rising prices and falling real incomes, while the politicians are seen to be indisciplined,reeked in corruption and living ostentatioulsy? If the government falls will this allow for a saner dispensation with the backing of a more sympathetic International Community?

Even if wishful, I do not wish to see “confederative nationalism die” instead I still see remission a possibility. There are still forces of good in this country and the dam of apathy has to give way at some point!

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By: Dayan John https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1485 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:52:46 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1485 As a non-academic in political science, I am at loss to understand how the “state can make a nation” as Dayan Jayatileke proposes.
The state as far as i know comprises a government, a geographical area, a population, and self-determination. Therefore, it is the government of the day (minority is parliament or otherwise) which is charged with the responsibility of structuring and creating the ” Sri Lankan Nation”. Would appreciate, response for Dr. Jayatileke.

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By: Veedhur https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1484 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:18:38 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1484 Not sure how the ‘state’ is creating the (overarching) nation by actively supporting and letting its paramilitary intimidate people into standing as candidates at gunpoint (killing off a few just to make its threat credible), threatening any and all other parties thinking of contesting elections in the east, fuelling divisions and formenting tamil-muslim hatred – All in complete safety of protection by the (sinhala) state forces.

For the majority tamil and muslim people who are not in citadel-colombo or in mullaitivu-bunker, but in the receiving end of the current nation building exercise by the (sinhala) State in East- I am not sure if the post-war project would mean anything else, an attempt to create a dominant nation and to complete what was begun in 1956. It is not too difficult for them to see through ‘apex’ and ‘sharp end’ involvement for what they are – convenient and opportunistic instruments, to use as foil.

To think that a war that would in all practical sense not recognise the difference between tamil and tiger – as the casualty figures from the north will cleary indicate – would produce a post-war environment ripe for (over arching) nation building is at best an affront to the collective memory of tamils and muslims and at worst a sign of pre-determined truimphalism. A scary proposition!

Nation building (over arching or otherwise) need not wait for executin of war but it could and should start talking to the tamils and muslims who have been ejected out as the ‘ceylonese’ morphed into ‘sinhalese’ to the exclusion of the others. It means even talking beyond LTTE, who after all don’t represent all the tamils. In this context to latch on to Karuna, Pillayan, Mahattya group (?), ex-Plote etc seems desperate. Looks like the din or war is pretty disorienting at the FDLs, even if they are as far as in Geneve!

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By: Dayan Jayatilleka https://groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1483 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:32:48 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2008/01/13/split-asunder-four-nations-in-sri-lanka/#comment-1483 As always, thought-provoking. My take is that in Sri Lanka, as in many other places, its is the State that will have to create the (overarching) nation. That will be the post war challenge facing our generation. Unacknowledged though it be, the war is to some degree, multiethnic, from the political apex ( Douglas Devananda), to the sharp end: the liberation of the East, ( Karuna, Pillaiyan), the LRRP ( Special forces plus Mahattaya group, ex-Plote). It may not quite be the Ceylon National Congress, but ….

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