Comments on: Western baloney on “human rights” https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=western-baloney-on-human-rights Journalism for Citizens Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:47:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: bulathsinhala https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2251 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:47:26 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2251 Jack point,
1. Are human rights being violated?

yes unfortunately.

2. Why? Can this be justified?
Why:?
It happens in every war situation unfortunately. It happened in ww2, before they liberated the west from the monster Hitler. But it was the duty of the armies to liberate the people.

When a suicide bomber blows himself/herself in Colombo, fighting in Iraq or afghanistan or every time neo nazi’s racial attack takes place against a non-white person in Europe, etc. human rights are equally violated. The point is that we select and over-expose some, ignore others.

can be justified ? No. None of these can not be justified.

3. Can certain procedures be put in to minimise abuses?

Yes. End terrorism. End the war with minimum casualities. Go that extra mile to speak to the opponents. Try to solve the problem betiween ourselves as one nation. offer friendship typical compassion that we buddhists/hindus/muslims/cristians have inherited from our great cultures.
(We have all the blessings of all gods in this country.)
Safeguard the nation against any foreign/local elemants who may try to take advantage of the situation. Listen to our neighbouring/friendly countries.

4. Are there alternative means to achieve the same end?

Eliminate poverty. This can be done only by fighting corruption, ending the war, being proud of our own things.
do not let others dictate us.
stop begging from others. Of course
get help from friendly counties. Help them too as equals. They are as interested as ourselves about the stability of the region.

We have the worlds most prosperous and beautiful country. if we can all unite as brothers and sisters definitely we can make things work.

thanks.
Bulathsinhala

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By: Nagalingam Ethirveerasingam https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2250 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:10:15 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2250 Thank you Sam for ‘cutting and pasting’ to get the readers to reflect. If someone says I am violating another person’s rights, it does not matter to me who says it. But what is said with evidence and reason is what I would care. It does not matter to me whether the person who accuse me of violating another’s rights also violate the rights of others. I would condemn him, but will not give that as an excuse to keep on committing the crime. In the late Eighties I used to watch an Australian television show hosted a Robertson called “IF …). He will give a hypothetical “If” situation to a Panel of experts in many fields and ask them to respond what each one of them would do. The discussion continues for an hour at the end of which a conclusion is reached.

I used to use that technique to my students at the Univ of Papua New Guinea. One of such a question was, “What will happen and what would you and your community would do if the Sun never rises again?” As a moderator I would probe and put limits when the discussion goes off track, and ask questions.

May be Groundviews could pose the question, “What would happen to the people living in Sri Lanka if all people in Sri Lanka loose the urge and ability to physically or mentally harm another person?” Sanjana will be the best person to be the moderator, like Robertson. The readers can be the Panel. Just a thought.

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By: rmk https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2249 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:57:26 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2249 “And these were the very people, he said derisively, who had the gall to condemn the Sri Lankan state for the violent deaths of some 60,000 persons in an internal conflict that has continued for the past 25 years.”

The implication of that sentence, and what follows it, is that the rights violations taking place in Sri Lanka are so minimal as to be ‘irrelevant’, if compared to violations committed by Western powers. That sounds like a very convenient position for any perpetrators of rights violations here. Are we to think that the victims of violations will respond by saying that, ‘Oh well, the West does worse things’? I’m sure that would comfort them.

Mahindapala, and Janaka Perera, have attacked Western powers as using human rights for political agendas. In many cases that’s incontrovertible, and a cause for condemnation. But with statements like this, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that his own attack is also motivated by specific agendas.

If we get caught up in detailed responses to Perera’s article, I think we’re allowing him to set the agenda for the discussion. That’s a useful diversion for perpetrators of abuses here, in Sri Lanka’s own cities and towns. When such positions are repeated ad nauseum in the mass media, they become a major propaganda tool in favor of the perpetrators. By allowing Perera and his kind to set the debate, in effect we start playing a game that distracts from the cold, hard facts of abuse.

Personally, I’d rather engage with debates that work towards the curtailment of rights violations, here, and everywhere, including condemnation of all regimes’ abuses, Western and otherwise. However as a debating device, Perera’s article leads us in the opposite direction, condemning one set of perpetrators in a manner that distracts from others, the ones closer to home, in our own neighborhoods. Is that really the kind of debate we want to engage in?

There are several publications on the history of human rights, and the mixture of idealism and compromise, principle and politics, that have led us this far. It hasn’t always been a clean story, but it has led to strong instruments and concepts in support of human dignity. Perhaps one useful publication is Geoffrey Robertson’s ‘Crimes Against Humanity – The Struggle for Global Justice’. There are others written by non-Western rights activists. I’m sure they weren’t all writing for the money.

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By: sam https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2248 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:05:52 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2248 s will become less relevant. From my brief experience in living and travelling relatively widely throughout Sri Lanka, it seems to be that many Lankans tend not to "examine the facts", and therefore it becomes acceptable to beat the child...]]> @ Jack,

I agree completely with what you are saying.

It seems to me that if ordinary people “examine the facts” and make a stance, then the focus on NGOs, etc will lessen, and positions of commentators such as Mahindapala’s will become less relevant.

From my brief experience in living and travelling relatively widely throughout Sri Lanka, it seems to be that many Lankans tend not to “examine the facts”, and therefore it becomes acceptable to beat the child…

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By: Jack Point https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2247 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:47:20 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2247 ‘Does a father who beats his child have the right to criticize another father who beats his child? Does a father who beats his child have the right to criticize another father who beats both his children?’

My question is: is it right to beat the child?

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By: Jack Point https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2246 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:40:15 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2246 The criticism of ‘western’ human rights activists seems to be:

1. things in the west are as bad or worse
2. therefore they have no moral standing, so to speak, to criticise us.

Local NGO’s are assumed to be puppets of ‘western’ NGO’s and therefore have no standing either.

May I suggest that we forget the NGO’s and examine the facts, and reflect on them :

1. Are human rights being violated?
2. Why? Can this be justified?
3. Can certain procedures be put in to minimise abuses?
4. Are there alternative means to achieve the same end?

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By: sam https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2245 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:29:15 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2245 Sanjana,

Yes – a tad lazy on my part to simply cut and paste – I should have summarised and reflected.

However, I am curious to see what other readers of GroundViews thinks about this piece.

During the past few hours, George Bush has demanded the following of Iran: “”We believe Iran had a secret military weapons program and Iran must explain to the world why they had a program”.

Why?

I am interested in double standards, and I am trying to work out if countries that have not acknowledged their own dirty business has the right to criticise the dirty business of others.

The commentary above provoked me to consider this idea of double standards further – from individuals, nation-states and international agencies…

Hopefully, there’ll be a few more comments from readers on the above commentary…

Does a father who beats his child have the right to criticize another father who beats his child? Does a father who beats his child have the right to criticize another father who beats both his children?

Sam.

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By: JM https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2244 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:45:55 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2244 Kiripani, I think what the man means is that our traditional values, which place inter-personal and communal duties above individual rights and demands, should be preserved in harmony with the latter. A society with rights sans duties is doomed as is vice versa.

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By: groundviews https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2243 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:16:05 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2243 Sam,

Since I don’t usually allow authors to post unoriginal content on this site, I would strongly suggest that you can explain why you found this article interesting and share your opinion on the questions it poses and issues it raises.

Thanks and best,

Sanjana

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By: kiripani https://groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2242 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:51:01 +0000 http://www.groundviews.org/2007/12/11/western-baloney-on-human-rights/#comment-2242 “…can be achieved only by balancing human rights with traditional duties” ???

You’re kidding,right? BALANCING?! Surely he doesn’t mean that certain traditional duties are more importand than human rights? i.e.some “things that are done, simply because that is the way they were always done” are more importand than human rights? What a moron.

Getting back to the point: The human rights record of Western countries are irrelevent. Human rights should be respected because that is what is right!

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