The Kattankudy mosque massacre in Sri Lanka: 22 years after

During my recent visits to Batticaloa I met many elders for my I Am narratives project. Many of them, like Father Harry Miller S.J., talked about the difficult period for Batticaloans during the 1990s. This period was marked by thousands of disappearances, Tamil Tiger attacks on mosques and civilians, and retaliatory violence against ordinary Muslims and Tamils. But somehow with the passage of time, communities that live cheek by jowl have relearned to live with each other. Perhaps because of this closeness, they have managed to live together peacefully.

Ramadan is a time for deep reflection and sacrifice and I wanted to mark the anniversary of the Kattankudy mosque massacres that also took place during the Holy month, 22 years ago in August 1990. This short portrait is a tribute to all those who lost their lives. It is part of a longer ongoing documentary project which I am hoping to complete later this year about this sad period in the history of Batticaloa.

Ramadan Kareem.

Kattankudy from Kannan Arunasalam on Vimeo.

  • anbu

    thanks Kannan
    Touching story, direction and music too

    • Off the Cuff

      Instead of condoling, Thivya, Luxmy and Rita are engaged in Whitewashing.

      LTTE’s Suresh confirmed that the order to Ethnicaly cleanse the North came directly from that murderer Prabhakaran. No amount of whitewashing can change that fact.

      The end game was Ethnic cleansing and it happened. The displaced Muslims are still in camps even after 22 years.

      On 4th September, vigilantes beat up Muslims worshippers inside the Chavakacheri Mosque. ….. Some elders called for an inquiry. The elders were reportedly told, “You are a minority. Those who beat you up are from the majority community. It is therefore not appropriate for us to take action against them.” …… The incident was not reported in the media.

      By the end of September, the Muslims in Chavakacheri were warned that they should be prepared for an expulsion order. …… a very senior LTTE leader  visited Vakarai in the Batticaloa district in the East where anti-Muslim feeling  was rife following recent incidents. … On 15th October, Muslims in Chavakacheri were asked to leave the peninsula. They were forced out without being able to carry hard earned valuable items such as fridges and fans.

      The Muslims’ houses were looted and ransacked and they were treated in the most brutal manner. …. The LTTE cadre pocketed whatever article, such as scent bottles, that they could pocket. In one house, the bridal attire (koorai) of a young lady, married on 30th June, was removed. The owners had been asked to vacate their houses, leaving the woman of the house in charge when the LTTE came to take the inventory

      In order to carry out this `operation’ which the LTTE has understandably been silent about, it drew on some imperial traditions. LTTE cadre from the East with anti-Muslim feelings, who had been involved in massacres of Muslims, were inducted into the North.

       Shortly after cadre from Karikalan’s Eastern group had been inducted into Mannar, they pounced upon the Muslim village at Erukkalampiddy at 11.00 p.m. on 21st October. It is reported that about 300 cadre took part in the operation. 70% of the 1200 households were robbed of mainly cash and jewellery, and were also threatened.
       Fathima Umaloo was a widow of 29 with a baby, who earned a living pounding rice flour and fetching firewood. Much of her capital consisted of a 1 1/2 sovereign gold chain. This was plucked off her.
      On the 24th at 4.00 p.m, the LTTE made a public announcement by loud-speaker: “All Muslims living in Mannar island should leave by 28th October. Before leaving, they must seek permission and clearance at the LTTE Office. The LTTE will decide their exit route.”

      ….. a delegation went to see the local LTTE leader Suresh (former student, Univ. of Jaffna) and asked for the order to be rescinded. Suresh explained that it is an order from the hierarchy and it was beyond his control. ….. some of the Roman Catholic clergy in particular pressed the matter, demanding that if he was not in control, then to reveal who was in control. Suresh replied that the Mannar group was not involved, but the Batticaloa group was in charge. ….. Suresh finally said, “The decision is unalterable, because it is a prophetic decision by the leader himself.”

      The LTTE pounced on Erukkalampiddy for the second time on the 26th night, and robbed it of goods ……. Each Muslim family was allowed to take one sovereign of gold, Rs.2,000/- cash and five travel bags per family.
      On 28th October, the Tigers sealed Erukkalampiddy village and Tamils were forbidden to go into the Muslim area. All dealings with Muslims were banned. Tamils were allowed to remove their own goods only with permission.

       The Muslims from Puthukudiruppu, Tharapuram, Uppukulam and Erukkalampiddy were taken to the beach at a place near Erukkalampiddy known as `Five Coconut Trees’, and were left there until they could find boats. They had to spend nights in the open in rainy weather with no conveniences and no boutique to obtain food and water

      Cash and jewellery above what was permitted was removed and receipts were issued. the next check at Vavuniya amounted to further robbery. LTTE cadre arbitrarily removed what they wished – cash, jewellery and even thermos flasks

       On 30th morning at 7.30 a.m. a loud speaker announcement called upon all Muslims to assemble at Osmania stadium. This they did in a state of puzzlement. The meeting was addressed by LTTE leaders Karikalan and Anjaneyar. Karikalan had been in charge of Batticaloa operations. Karikalan told them that all Muslims would have to leave Jaffna. They can go to their so-called leader Ashraff, he said, who would provide them with food and shelter in the Amparai or Batticaloa districts. They were told that no harm would be done to them as Muslims in the East had done to Tamils through looting, killing and rape. Their lives were being given to them as a beggarly portion, he added. Finally, they were given two hours to leave. They were informed that all their possessions were earned in Tamil Eelam, and were given the concession of taking along Rs.500/- and perhaps a sovereign of gold. They were released at 10.00 a.m.

      More horrific details at the Source, The University Teachers for Human Rights, Jaffna

      • thivya

        OffTheCuff,

        I think you are off topic here. None of the Tamils, including me, condone the expulsion of the Muslims from Jaffna. I also said that we should not forget that the Tamils also were massacred by Muslims home guards and the Sinhala army. Their numbers are much higher than any other massacre that happened in Sri Lanka. Nobody wants to talk about the massacre of Tamils because there is no Tamil country to question the killings of Tamils.

        Instead of copying and pasting the UTHRJ article about the expulsion of Muslims from Jaffna which all Tamils condemn, you should talk about the topic of the Kathankudi massacre. I posted the excerpts to show that there are people who don’t buy the Sinhala version of the Kathankudi massacre and expressed doubts.

        You should tell us why no official inquiry was held and why these massacres happened whenever Sri Lanka sent ministers to beg from Muslim countries?

        The only impartial scrutiny of this incident to date was by Gerrit Busch, a journalist with der uberblick,( a German publication). He, accompanied by Fr. Miller (an American Jesuit Priest who resides in Batticaloa), visited Kathankudy and interviewed several residents. Both concluded that the LTTE was not responsible for these attacks. What happened to him?

        Fr. Eugene Herbert, another American Jesuit priest and an associate of fr. Miller, was arrested by the army a week after these massacres and has disappeared. What happened to him?

        I am glad you value the UTHRJ and accept them as reliable source of information. The same UTHRJ says the following.

        “The massacre of Bhikkus at Arantalawa was horrendous and barbaric. But no lesS so was the massacre of civilians by forces of the State in Pullumalai near Arantalawa, a few months earlier in November 1986. The dead included entire families and infants, including an eight months old baby trampled under a boot. How many others were driven to join the LTTE and take part in such massacres as described by the gentlemen?”

        All you Sinhalese are still lamenting about the Bhikkus murder, and I agree that was barbaric. Why did none of them ever mention the massacre of Tamil civilians by the Sinhala army and Muslim home guards? If you want to know I can post the details of the massacres of Tamils by the Sinhala army and Muslim home guards in my blog.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya

        You say “I think you are off topic here. None of the Tamils, including me, condone the expulsion of the Muslims from Jaffna”

        The ethnic cleansing was ordered directly by Prabakaran.
        The murders were a prelude to the ethnic cleansing

        It is easy for you to shed crocodile tears now but what matters is what you did then and that was absolutely nothing.

        I used UTHR(J) as then you cannot claim it is either govt propaganda or that it is from Sinhala Chauvanists because UTHR(J) is not government or Sinhala but Tamil.

        You say “I posted the excerpts to show that there are people who don’t buy the Sinhala version of the Kathankudi massacre and expressed doubts. “

        Why don’t you post the UTHR(J) version of the Kathankudi Massacre and prove your point?

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        //Why don’t you post the UTHR(J) version of the Kathankudi Massacre and prove your point?//

        OffTheCuff,

        I think you like the UTHRJ reports and love to use them because you know well they are bias against the LTTE. They tend to exaggerate the LTTE’s crimes and I don’t think any neutral person would use them as a reliable source when it comes to the LTTE, and neither will I. I think any Tamil who lived in Colombo during the war with Sinhala friends and at the mercy of the Sinhala regime cannot be considered as a reliable source (they could not be neutral for obvious reasons).

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        You are making yourself the laughing stock here on GV.

        You claim that the UTHR(J) is biased against the LTTE, when a few post ago you tried using UTHR(J) against the SL forces.

        You proved that UTHR(J) reports criticised both, The SLA and the LTTE.
        So how can they be anything other than Neutral?

        Calling yourself a NUETRAL person is the joke of the century. Do you think that GV readers are as Dumb as your circle of friends whose main source of information is Sangam.org and Tamilnet etc?

        You have stepped on quicksand when you showed your FEAR of UTHR(J)’s criticism of the Katthankudy Massacre.

        Shame Thivya, SHAME.

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        OffTheCuff,

        //You claim that the UTHR(J) is biased against the LTTE, when a few post ago you tried using UTHR(J) against the SL forces.//

        Go back and read it. I just wanted to know whether you agree with what they say about the Sinhala army killings of Tamils, but you did not reply.

        //You proved that UTHR(J) reports criticised both, The SLA and the LTTE. So how can they be anything other than Neutral?//

        My point is the neutrality of the UTHR(J) is debatable, there are many Tamils who won’t consider them as a neutral party when it comes to LTTE. They tend to exaggerate the LTTE’s crimes. Two of such opinions are here below and you can find many like that on the internet. I read somewhere they even had personal grudge against the LTTE. As I said before I think any Tamil who lived in Colombo during the war and were at the mercy of the Sinhala regime cannot be considered a reliable source (they could not be neutral for obvious reasons – who wants to risk a white van ride. :)

        1. “The UTHR(J) is an organization frequently quoted by Chandrika Kumaratunge in her attempts to demonise the LTTE and thus deflect criticisms leveled at her own atrocious record as a perpetrator of gross human rights violations. At a recent interview on CNN. Mrs. Kumaratunge sought to deflect reports by the State Department of the USA and The Human Rights Watch (a US based NGO) by citing the UTHR(J) reports in her defence.

        Although the Jaffna University has disassociated itself with UTHR(J), it continues to masquerade as representing the Jaffna University
        teachers.”

        UTHR(J) is a Colombo based organization run by two former University lecturers of the Jaffna University whose own prejudices and personal bias form the basis of the Organization’s report. The organization is not an independent body. We call upon the international media to contact the Jaffna University authorities to ascertain for itself the creditability of this organization so that not only facts may be distinguished from malicious propaganda, but also the axis of evil that is attempting to derail the peace process in Sri Lanka is exposed.

        Truth is always the first casualty in war and particularly so in Sri Lanka’s war without witnesses.”

        By: AUSTRALASIAN FEDERATION OF TAMIL ASSOCIATIONS INC

        2. “The University Teachers for Human Rights (UTHR(J)), is a small group of anti-LTTE activists long shunned by their former colleagues at their university. The group does not visit the conflict area. They have taken up residence, with the blessing of President Kumaratunge, in Colombo and have no first hand knowledge of the conditions in the area. The information contained in their reports is based on hearsay and authenticity of the sources from which they are supposed to have been obtained is open to question. The information does not give a true or complete picture of the events and seems to be intended to serve only one goal, namely to discredit the LTTE. Whatever they publish has to be based on information supplied to them by the government, military or quisling groups. Therefore, anyone quoting information from UTHR(J) reports should first assess the credibility of this organization, as well as the relevance and accuracy. “

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        I just wanted to know whether you agree with what they say about the Sinhala army killings of Tamils, but you did not reply.

        Firstly the SL Army is not a Sinhala Army. It had been Commanded by Ethnic Tamils at the HIGHEST levels and had many Ethnic Tamils within its command hierarchy.

        Tamils could not serve in the Army after the LTTE was born, as the LTTE threats to the Family members of any person who dared to join the forces was public knowledge. What happened to the Tamil Policemen in Jaffna during the Alfred Duraiappa era? This was the time when Tamils were tortured and killed and strung up on Lamp posts with Barbed Wire around their necks and a cardboard notice announcing that the tortured and killed Tamil was a Traitor.

        Since then Tamil entrants to the Forces dried up … Thanks to the LTTE.

        Tamils feared for the lives of their Family members who lived in areas that the LTTE was active. Still there were brave Tamils who ventured to serve in the Army in spite of the LTTE. When General Sarath Fonseka was the commander of the Northern command, in Jaffna (he was a Major General then), his second in command was Major General Ratnasabapathy, an Ethnic Tamil. He was in the Hit List of the LTTE and he received incessant threats to the lives of his family members from the LTTE. Fortunately the LTTE could not reach him or the members of his family.

        You stated “My point is the neutrality of the UTHR(J) is debatable, there are many Tamils who won’t consider them as a neutral party when it comes to LTTE”

        As you yourself has pointed out in your post, the UTHR(J) has censured the LTTE and the SL Forces equally. If that is not being Neutral what is? The opposite of Neutral is Partial. Who has UTHR(J) being partial to? Can you give an example?

        Of course there are many Tamils who won’t consider UTHR(J) as being Neutral. There are several hundred thousand Terrorist flag waving Tamils overseas (including you) and in Lanka. Would they say that the UTHR(J) is Neutral?

        Katthankudy was a horrible and despicable Massacre. Pointing to other murders and excesses will not sanctify it.

        You wrote “As I said before I think any Tamil who lived in Colombo during the war and were at the mercy of the Sinhala regime cannot be considered a reliable source (they could not be neutral for obvious reasons – who wants to risk a white van ride.

        There is a hole in your argument that no amount of Spin can suppress. Joseph Geobbels would have envied your ability to spin tales.

        The members of the UTHR(J) worked in the University of Jaffna. That meant they had to live under the threat of the LTTE. They lived under the shadow of death and knew not when an LTTE bullet would claim their lives. One member of the UTHR(J) learnt it the hard way, as she was gunned down when she was returning home, to her two little kids, after a hard days work teaching budding young Tamil doctors Human Anatomy. She was assassinated on 21 September 1989 in the prime of her life at the age of 35.

        DR. RAJINI THIRANAGAMA née Rajasingham
        M.B.B.S(Colombo), Ph.D(Liverpool)
        Head Dept of Anatomy, University of Jaffna
        UTHR (JAFFNA) FACES A TIME OF CHALLENGE AND RE?EVALUATION
        On the 21st September 1989, Dr. Rajini Thiranagama, a live wire and leading member of the UTHR (Jaffna) was murdered while returning home, a few yards from the Faculty of Medicine where she worked. One may ask, in a community benumbed by hundreds of senseless killings and driven to protec­tive indifference, what is the significance of this particular murder? To be sure, as many speakers had pointed out at commemoration meetings, the killing was a dastardly act against a lone, helpless and unarmed woman, and a mother of two little girls. Its phenomenal significance lay in what the killers were trying to destroy. This represented a whole spectrum of values which Rajini upheld both in practice and precept and deemed both by her and fellow members of the UTHR as being necessary for the life and freedom of the community. Her field of activities included, telling the truth about the unpleasant side and hypocrisy of this suicidally?bent community, the practice of academic freedom, telling students that some of their views were simplistic and narrow, and practical involvement in the concerns of women who had suffered.
        The killing was very different from what one might expect from an undisciplined military force in a state of anger. It was coldly premeditated and meticulously planned. Even the detail of minimum disruption, by scheduling the killing just after the last viva voce examinations in Ana­tomy had been looked into. The murder took place on the second day of the ceasefire. The killer had waited at a relatively lonely spot that she would have to pass while rushing home from work to care for her little ones. He had even found the time, after Rajini had fallen, to park his bicycle and pump a few more bullets into her head, before making his escape.
        Even Rajini’s death brought out from the society around many of the attributes of fascist regimentation ? the antithesis of a freedom struggle ? the very thing Rajini had stood against throughout her career. On hearing the assassin’s shots, with the exception of a few medical students and some ordinary people, the rest ran away or shut themselves inside their homes. It was difficult to find a vehicle to transport her to hospital. Those who volunteered to look after her children or visited them the night following the killing were neither neighbours nor colleagues. There was fear of association: Many close to the family admitted fear of attending the fune­ral and the meetings which followed. Far from showing a sense of solidarity and outrage, the local medical profession and her faculty colleagues were divided and confused as to how to respond to this killing. No doubt every­one knew that it was wrong and totally unjustified, not least the killers. The latter chose silence and anonymity. Rajini’s friends and admirers were many, who had enjoyed her personal care and had benefited from the many risks she had personally undertaken. Her enemies were those who were against what she stood for, but would not say it openly, lest they expose before the people their emptiness, real motivations and intentions. Yet initially at least, the dominant reaction to her killing, as for other killings, was not anger, but a mixture of sadness and fear. This was the society, pliable and spiritless, that her killers were trying to build; and herein lies the chief significance of the event.

        While you were enjoying your life in Canada with your family and fanning hatred on behalf of the LTTE, Dr Rajani, a mother of two very young kids, was with the people of Jaffna and risking her life to alleviate the suffering of the people of Jaffna at the hands of the very people you were helping.

        Do you sincerely believe that the UTHR(J) could have stayed on in Jaffna after that?

        Do you now see why you are the laughing stock on GV?

      • Off the Cuff

        Clarification

        The sentence I just wanted to know whether you agree with what they say about the Sinhala army killings of Tamils, but you did not reply. is Thivya’s and should have been enclosed within quotes.

        I should have also italicised it, as I use italics to differentiate my comments from that of my opponent.

        Regret the omission.

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        //Firstly the SL Army is not a Sinhala Army.//
        //you are the laughing stock on GV?//

        OffTheCuff,

        Everyone knows Sri Lankan armed forces are 99% Mono Ethnic Sinhala army. A few token Tamils here and there won’t make the Sinhala army a truly Sri Lankan army. So your nonsense about the Sri Lankan army not being Sinhala does not deserve anymore response from me. I am not sure if the others are laughing at me or not but I am sure that, not only me, but others are also laughing at your above statement. :)

        This Rajini Thirangama murder is just like the incident of evacuation of Muslims, the Sinhalese have been milking it for a while. I don’t know anything about Rajini Thirangama, so I am not going to comment on that. But I found an article written by someone who knows Rajini Thirangama and the LTTE. It might be a good read for you and help you find out about the view of the non Sinhalized, North – East Tamils instead of the Tamil quislings.

        Who Killed Rajani Thiranagama?
        How convincing is the grapevine news?

        http://www.sangam.org/2010/09/Who_Killed_Rajani.php?uid=4071

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Really, Thivya, milking? Have the Tamils been milking Black July too? All justifications for the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims is based on persecution of Tamils by the Sinhalese. It is revealing that when the Tamils were in the exact same majority position they did exactly the same to the minority in their midst. Why don’t you reach down and milk that?

      • Burning Issue

        Dear Davis Blacker,

        I hear the point that you put it across to Thivya. My feelings about the evacuation of the Muslims from Jaffna are there to see on this forum.

        “All justifications for the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims is based on persecution of Tamils by the Sinhalese.”

        I do not follow as to what you exactly mean by your above sentence. First, we need to distinguish the then JR’s elected government to the unelected rebel group, the LTTE. The Black July 83 was orchestrated and coordinated by the then government as opposed to VP alone made a decision to cleanse the Muslims from Jaffna.

        “It is revealing that when the Tamils were in the exact same majority position they did exactly the same to the minority in their midst.”

        Equating VP and LTTE with Tamils of Jaffna is not correct. The Tamils did not elect the LTTE; whatever the LTTE did or did not do, the Tamils had no choice!

      • wijayapala

        Dear Burning_Issue

        First, we need to distinguish the then JR’s elected government to the unelected rebel group, the LTTE.

        JR’s government in 1983 was not elected. JR cancelled the 1982 parliamentary elections after a fraudulent referendum.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Dear Burning, if you read Thivya’s justifications for the ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Tamils against the Muslims, they are based on the persecution of the Tamils by the so-called “Sinhala Army and Muslim homeguards”; ie the state. This is a parallel to the right-wing Sinhalese thought that Black July can be justified because the Tamil separatists were killing soldiers, etc. He then further digs in by vaguely claiming that the “Muslims backstabbed the Tamils by siding with the Sinhalese”, suggesting that crimes against humanity are acceptable if they have a reasonable excuse. Hitler claimed that the Jews had backstabbed the Germanic people. The Vatican ignored his atrocities because they claimed the Jews killed Jesus. Etc etc etc. I hope you get my point now. Any justification of such crimes against humanity are reprehensible.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        You say “Everyone knows Sri Lankan armed forces are 99% Mono Ethnic Sinhala army. A few token Tamils here and there won’t make the Sinhala army a truly Sri Lankan army. “

        For your argument to hold, you should prove that the minorities were not represented in the SL Forces BEFORE Prabhakaran prevented Tamils from joining the Forces.
        Can you do that?

        The first Sri Lankan to Head the SL Army was Major General A.M. Muttukumaru an ethnic Tamil.

        Tamils could not serve in the Army after the LTTE was born, as the LTTE’s threats to the Family members of any person who dared to join the forces was public knowledge. What happened to the Tamil Policemen in Jaffna during the Alfred Duraiappa era? This was the time when Tamils were tortured and killed and strung up on Lamp posts with Barbed Wire and a cardboard notice announcing that the tortured and killed Tamil, was a Traitor.
        Since then Tamil entrants to the Forces dried up. Thanks to the LTTE.

        I note that you have also avoided commenting on the above.
        Obviously you have no answers to give.
        Could you not find a plausible explanation at Sangam.org?

        Hence you need to prove that the SL Army was 99% Sinhala as you claim, BEFORE the LTTE started threatening Tamils and their families in the Pre Duraiappa era.

        You claimed that the UTHR(J) was writing from Colombo. Obviously you never knew that DR. Mrs Rajini Thiranagama née Rajasingham an Ethnic Tamil was a founder member and a live wire of UTHR(J) and that she lived and worked in Jaffna and was killed by the LTTE in Jaffna.

        Rajini openly criticised the LTTE.
        Everyone who criticised the LTTE had a violent Death if the LTTE could reach them.

        Lakshman Kadirgama, Appapillai Amirthalingam, Rajiv Gandhi are the high profile examples.

        So what chance did Rajini have, when she was living in Jaffna, riding a bicycle to work, under the shadow of the LTTE?

      • thivya

        David Blacker,

        I am not trying to justify the killings of Kathankudi or any massacre for that matter. All I am saying is the Sinhalese and Muslims picked and chose whichever incident was useful for their propaganda purposes to undermine the Tamil struggle, and ignored all other numerous massacres of Tamil civilians by the Sinhala army and Muslim home guards. All those self proclaimed humanitarians, humanitarian wannabes and Sinhala kudos seeking Tamils just went along with the Sinhalese and Muslims, and ignored the horrible massacres of Tamils. No official inquiry was held for these massacres at all and Sinhalese chose to highlight the few killings of Muslims and Sinhalese for anti Tamil propaganda and get support from Muslims countries. I am just trying to show the cunning duplicity of the Sinhalese and Muslims.

        Here is the list of SINHALA STATE TERROR AGAINST TAMILS from 1956-2000.

        1. Inginiyakala massacre – 05.06.1956

        2. 1958 pogrom

        3. Tamil research conference massacre – 10.01.1974

        4. 1977 communal pogrom

        5. 1981 communal pogrom

        6. Burning of the Jaffna library – 01.06.1981

        7. 1983 communal pogrom

        8. Thirunelveli massacre – 24, 25.07.1983

        9. Sampalthoddam massacre – 1984

        10. Chunnakam Police station massacre – 08.01.1984

        11. Chunnakam market massacre – 28.03.1984

        12. Mathawachchi – Rampawa – September 1984

        13. Point Pedro – Thikkam massacre – 16.09.1984

        14. Othiyamalai massacre – 01.12.1984

        15. Kumulamunai massacre – 02.12.1984

        16. Cheddikulam massacre – 02.12.1984

        17. Manalaru massacre – 03.12.1984

        18. Blood soaked Mannar – 04.12.1984

        19. Kokkilai -Kokkuthoduvai massacre – 15.12.1984

        20. Vankalai church massacre – 06.01.1986

        21. Mulliyavalai massacre – 16.01.1985

        22. Vaddakandal massacre – 30.01.1985

        23. Puthukkidiyiruppu Iyankovilady massacre – 21.04.1985

        24. Trincomalee massacres in 1985

        25. Valvai – 85 massacre 10.05.1985

        26. Kumuthini Boat massacre 15.05.1985

        27. Kiliveddi massacre in 1985

        28. Thiriyai massacre – 08.06.1985

        29. Sampaltivu – 04 to 09.08.1985

        30. Veeramunai massacre – 20.06.1990

        31. Nilaveli massacre 16.09.1985

        32. Piramanthanaru massacre – 02.10.1985

        33. Kanthalai -85 massacre – 09.11.1985

        34. Muthur Kadatkaraichenai – 08, 09, 10.11.1985

        35. Periyapullumalai massacre in 1986

        36. Kilinochchi Railway Station massacre – 25.01.1986

        37. Udumbankulam massacre – 19.02.1985

        38. Vayaloor massacre – 24.08.1985

        39. Eeddimurinchan massacre – 19, 20.03.1986

        40. Anandapuram shelling – 04.06.1986

        41. Kanthalai – 86 massacre – 04, 05.06. 1986

        42. Mandaithivu sea massacre – 10.06.1986

        43. Seruvila massacre – 12.06.1986

        44. Thambalakamam massacres – 1985, 1986

        45. Paranthan farmers massacre – 28.06.1986

        46. Peruveli refugee camp massacre – 15.07.1986

        47. Thanduvan bus massacre – 17.07.1986

        48. Mutur Manalchenai massacre – 18.07. 1986

        49. Adampan massacre – 12.10.1986

        50. Periyapandivrichchan massacre – 15.10.1986

        51. Kokkadichcholai – 87 massacre – 28.01.1987

        52. Paddithidal massacre – 26.04.1987

        53. Thonithiddamadu massacre – 27.05.1987

        54. Alvai temple shelling – 29.05.1987

        55. Eastern University massacre – 23.05.1990

        56. Sammanthurai massacre – 10.06.1990

        57. Xavierpuram massacre – 07.08.1990

        58. Siththandy massacre – 20, 27.07.1990

        59. Paranthan junction massacre – 24.07.1990

        60. Poththuvil massacre – 30.07.1990

        61. Tiraikerny massacre – 06.08.1990

        62. Kalmunai massacre – 11.08.1990

        63. Thuranilavani massacre – 12.08.1990

        64. Eravur hospital massacre – 12.08.1990

        65. Koraveli massacre 14.08.1990

        66. Nelliyadi market bombing – 29.08.1990

        67. Eravur massacre – 10.10.1990

        68. Saththurukkondan massacre – 09.09.1990

        69. Natpiddymunai massacre – 10.09.1990

        70. Vantharamullai – 90 massacre – 05, 23,09,1990

        71. Mandaithivu disappearances – 23.08.1990, 25.09.1990

        72. Oddisuddan bombing – 27.11.1990

        73. Puthukkudiyiruppu junction bombing

        74. Vankalai massacre – 17.02.1991

        75. Vaddakkachchi bombing – 28.02.1991

        76. Vantharumoolai – 09.06.1991

        77. Kokkadichcholai – 91 massacre – 12.06.1991

        78. Pullumalai massacre – 1983 -1990

        79. Kinniyadi massacre – 12.07.1991

        80. Akkarayan hospital massacre – 15.07.1997

        81. Uruthrapuram bombing – 04.02.1991

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        Assuming that the detailed list that you supplied is true, I could not help noticing that after 1991 you have detailed one incident in 1997 with nothing in between. Since that single incident till 2000 there is nothing listed.

        Could you produce a similar list of LTTE atrocities for comparison?

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,

        “The Tamils did not elect the LTTE; whatever the LTTE did or did not do, the Tamils had no choice!”

        I would agree that the majority of Tamils did not have a choice but those who fed and supported the LTTE had a choice. Would that number be close to a million?

      • Thivya

        //For your argument to hold, you should prove that the minorities were not represented in the SL Forces BEFORE Prabhakaran prevented Tamils from joining the Forces.Can you do that? //

        OffTheCuff,

        The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years? I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that?

        //The first Sri Lankan to Head the SL Army was Major General A.M. Muttukumaru an ethnic Tamil.//

        Stop parading around the names of a few token Tamils who had high positions in the Sri Lankan forces decades ago. It does not mean anything. At the end of colonial rule many Tamils were in high positions and the Sinhalese wanted to stop that, they have succeeded now.

        Let see what others say about the Mono Ethnic Sinhala army of Sri Lanka.

        “Not all Sinhalese are evil. Neither is every Tamil a saint. But the fact remains that every soldier in the Sri Lankan army who fought the war against the LTTE during 2008-2009 was a Sinhalese.

        This background information is essential for any non-Tamil to understand how the Sri Lankan army can be so brutal against its own civilians.”

        (The Sri Lankan army is essentially Sinhalese and it has an inherent hatred for Tamils)
        http://www.theweekendleader.com/Causes/541/Gruesome-genocide.html

        SO, HOW DID SRI LANKA’S ARMED FORCES BECAME MONO-ETHNIC?

        Prof. Brian Blodgett, Director of the History and Military Studies Programs for the American Public University, published a study of Sri Lanka’s military in 2004. In it he notes how,

        “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ETHNICALLY PURE ARMY.”

        http://www.amazon.com/Sri-Lankas-Military-Search-Mission/dp/1593301820

        Prof. Stanley Tambiah of Harvard University published a book length comment, ‘Ethnic Fratricide and the Dismantling of Democracy’, just two years after Sri Lanka’s conflict began. In it he noted,

        “[Today, in 1986] the armed forces are filled with Sinhalese and the Tamils are EXCLUDED from serving in them. … There has been virtually no recruitment of Tamils into the armed forces, and very little into the police force, for nearly thirty years.”

      • Thivya

        //Assuming that the detailed list that you supplied is true, I could not help noticing that after 1991 you have detailed one incident in 1997 with nothing in between. Since that single incident till 2000 there is nothing listed.//

        OffTheCuff,

        These are the major massacres committed against Tamils by the Sinhala armed forces and Muslim home guards. The individual harassments, small number of killings, rapes and other atrocities are not included in this list. I did not list them, I got it from Google. It gives up to 2008 but I did not post all of them here.

        MASSACRES OF TAMILS 1956-2008

        http://books.google.ca/books?id=z9Cjtngi0UIC&pg=PR18&lpg=PR18&dq=veeramunai+massacre&source=bl&ots=20rXDRf58e&sig=wr2bm_71NzCv0X2cjiZWLpFnPr4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YUIoUP30LJCE0QH5xYGgCQ&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=veeramunai%20massacre&f=false

        //Could you produce a similar list of LTTE atrocities for comparison?//
        I think you should try listing the killings of the LTTE and compare them. :)

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Thivya, the only duplicity you have revealed here is your own. This article is about the Kattankudi Massacre. Instead of acknowledging the wrongdoing, you have attempted to divert attention to the past persecution of Tamils. Regardless of your protestations of innocence, you are indeed justifying the massacre by pointing to other massacres. None of those incidents on your list are unknown, so you’re not revealing anything new. So what’s your point in bringing them up? Similarly, no one’s begrudging the Tamils their right to remembrance of those massacres. Why are you against Kattankudi being remembered?

        Your trotting out that list does nothing to help your silly justification since even by your flawed logic you can’t show that the Muslims were responsible for those atrocities. Even if they were, it is still not justifiable.

        It wasn’t just Gen Muthukumaru who was a Tamil. Maj Gen Thurairaja, head of the Medical Corps was a Tamil, as was Maj Gen Devanayagam of the Sinha Regiment, and there are many more. The career Tamil officers stayed on in the forces because they were secure. New Tamil recruits stopped joining out of fear of the separatists, not because they were not wanted. So to claim that the SL Army is 99% Sinhalese as some sort of indicator of racism is patently stupid when it is in fact Tamil extremism that prevented Tamil recruits joining up.

      • thivya

        David Blacker,

        If none of the massacres of Tamils by the Sinhala army and Muslim home guards are unknown as you say, why is no one commemorating or remembering the Tamil victims. The Sinhalese and Muslims are writing a heap of things about the Muslim and Sinhala victims and some Tamils also join them to get kudos from the Sinhalese, but none of them talk about the massacre of Tamils by the Sinhalese and Muslims. So I reminded them that the Tamil victims also deserved to be remembered.

        Anyone who reads your blog will know that you are not a neutral person in the Sinhala – Tamil conflict. After all, you also tried to find faults in the UN reports of war crimes in Vanni. If you really care about the victims, and justice, you would have asked for an independent investigation to find out the truth instead of trying to tarnish the UN experts report.

        As I said before, stop parading around the names of a few token Tamils who had high positions in the Sri Lankan forces decades ago. It does not mean anything. At the end of the colonial rule many Tamils were in high positions and the Sinhalese wanted to stop that. There is not even a hand full of Tamils in the ground troops and nor are there many Tamil officers. You are trying to hide the Sinhala racism; there was never any army recruitment drive or even an advertisement among the Tamils to join the Sri Lankan army.

        -Prof. Brian Blodgett, Director of the History and Military Studies Programs for the American Public University, published a study of Sri Lanka’s military in 2004. In it he notes how,

        “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ETHNICALLY PURE ARMY.”

        ‘So, how did Sri Lanka’s armed forces became mono-ethnic?”

        http://www.amazon.com/Sri-Lankas-Military-Search-Mission/dp/1593301820

        If you are certain that the Sri Lankan army is NOT a Sinhala army, and only the Tamil rebels prevented Tamils from joining the Sinhala army, why don’t you challenge Prof. Brian Blodgett? His book is still being used in American universities.

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        Two monkeys were fighting for a banana. One won it and ate it, the other cried morality. Except this time the banana-eater also cried morality, so the hungry money was confused.

        The key to solving the problem, is for the monkeys to realize that they are really monkeys, and that for monkeys, it is really hard to concede anything to their opponents when it comes to politics.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        “If none of the massacres of Tamils by the Sinhala army and Muslim home guards are unknown as you say, why is no one commemorating or remembering the Tamil victims.”

        Well whose stopping you commemorating or remembering? My question is, why are you angry that the Muslims are being remembered. Do you want the Tiger atrocities swept under the carpet?

        “The Sinhalese and Muslims are writing a heap of things about the Muslim and Sinhala victims and some Tamils also join them to get kudos from the Sinhalese, but none of them talk about the massacre of Tamils by the Sinhalese and Muslims.”

        So why don’t you write about it?

        “So I reminded them that the Tamil victims also deserved to be remembered.”

        No one has forgotten that you have to remind us. But there is no reason to distract from this remembrance by posting lame justifications for crimes against humanity, as you have done.

        “Anyone who reads your blog will know that you are not a neutral person in the Sinhala – Tamil conflict.”

        I don’t think there is anyone neutral in SL; we have all been polarized by the war. But I think I am well balanced in my opinion. Are you claiming to be neutral? :D If not, what exactly is your point?

        “After all, you also tried to find faults in the UN reports of war crimes in Vanni. If you really care about the victims, and justice, you would have asked for an independent investigation to find out the truth instead of trying to tarnish the UN experts report.”

        The faults in the Darusman Report are huge and glaring; which is the reason it was abandoned by the US in favour of the LLRC report when drafting the recent UNHRC resolution. I am not interested in an independent investigation until independent investigations of a similar nature are conducted by the UN in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, N Ireland, etc.

        “As I said before, stop parading around the names of a few token Tamils who had high positions in the Sri Lankan forces decades ago. It does not mean anything. At the end of the colonial rule many Tamils were in high positions and the Sinhalese wanted to stop that.”

        Unfortunately for your argument, these weren’t a handful. Gen Devanayagam, Gen Thurairaja, etc all joined the SL Army in the late ’60s, at the height of SWRDs anti-minority sentiments. Even recently, the Canadian government revealed that a senior commodore in the SL Navy was a Tamil. He was refused entry to Canada on grounds that the SL Navy had committed atrocities.

        “There is not even a hand full of Tamils in the ground troops and nor are there many Tamil officers. You are trying to hide the Sinhala racism; there was never any army recruitment drive or even an advertisement among the Tamils to join the Sri Lankan army.”

        As explained to you, the reason for this drying up of Tamil recruits was due to Tiger intimidation. Tamils never really bothered joining the rank and file of the Army, preferring the police. Officer recruitment similarly dried up due to Tiger intimidation. The career officers remained, many of them reaching high rank. Even at the middle ranks there were notable Tamil officers — one even winning the PWV, SL’s highest military medal for bravery (http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/parama-weera/ )

        ““in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ETHNICALLY PURE ARMY. So, how did Sri Lanka’s armed forces became mono-ethnic?”
        http://www.amazon.com/Sri-Lankas-Military-Search-Mission/dp/1593301820

        If you are certain that the Sri Lankan army is NOT a Sinhala army, and only the Tamil rebels prevented Tamils from joining the Sinhala army, why don’t you challenge Prof. Brian Blodgett? His book is still being used in American universities.”

        If the good prof is right about 1962, how did Generals Devanayagam and Thurairaja, and all the other Tamil officers join up in the late ’60s? Did they pretend they were Sinhalese? :D For a concept to be challenged it must first actually be able to stand on its own two feet :D

      • Gamarala

        Thivya,

        I think you will be shocked to hear that David Blacker is half-Tamil, and the other half isn’t Sinhala either! Are you horrified by his treachery? Should he be hung off a lamp post too? (Recall that you presented this upstanding practice by the LTTE as evidence of their impartiality, when discussing the Muslim eviction issue) Alas, without the LTTE, who will oversee the execution of “traitors”?

        (Apologies David, for using you as the guinea pig in this mental exercise)

      • Keynes!

        David, Thivya, Off the Cuff

        “New Tamil recruits stopped joining out of fear of the separatists, not because they were not wanted.”

        How then can we explain the fact that Tamils were willing to join paramilitary groups that were opposed to the LTTE?

        What are your thoughts on Commodore Nadarajah Guruparan’s refugee claim?

      • Burning Issue

        Dear Thivya,

        “The Sinhalese and Muslims are writing a heap of things about the Muslim and Sinhala victims and some Tamils also join them to get kudos from the Sinhalese, but none of them talk about the massacre of Tamils by the Sinhalese and Muslims.”

        The MR regime operates on the philosophy that one is either with them or run the danger of being branded as a traitor. In the same vain, you elude that those Tamils who do not talk about the Tamil massacre victims are about getting kudos from the Sinhala! What makes you so sure that you care much more about the Tamils than I do for example? You are sympathetic to the LTTE that massacred Sinhala, Muslims and Tamils. How can you expect sympathy from the Sinhala for the Tamil massacre victims on the platform on which you stand?

        “So I reminded them that the Tamil victims also deserved to be remembered.”

        Of course; I can further say that, even the perished LTTE fighters should be remembered as I feel everyone was a victim in the tragedy.

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        @off the cuff

        You really want to argue that SL Army is not a Sinhala Army, and that the major reason for the lack of Tamils in the SL army is the fact that the LTTE scared the hell out of Tamils who would’ve otherwise joined the Army?

        What’s next? There’s no gender discrimination is SL becuase world’s first female prime minister was Sri Lankan, and we also had a female executive president?

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        @thivya

        Anyone who reads your blog will know that you are not a neutral person in the Sinhala – Tamil conflict. After all, you also tried to find faults in the UN reports of war crimes in Vanni. If you really care about the victims, and justice, you would have asked for an independent investigation to find out the truth instead of trying to tarnish the UN experts report.

        Having never read David Blacker’s blog, what is the problem here? Is it that he tried to find faults in the report and failed, or that he tried to find faults and succeeded, or that he shouldn’t have tried at all? Unless the first one is the case, your attack is really unfair. That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.

      • Burning Issue

        Dear David Blacker,

        Your neutrality and balanced stand appear subjective! I agree everyone in Sri Lanka is very much affected by polarization; I am not exempted.

        “The faults in the Darusman Report are huge and glaring; which is the reason it was abandoned by the US in favour of the LLRC report when drafting the recent UNHRC resolution.”

        I do not agree with your above statement; the US played a smart move on Sri Lanka diplomatically snookered the MR regime by resting the UN resolution on the LLRC! This does not mean that the Darusman Report has been sidelined; not at all. It is all about getting the MR regime to comply with the resolution and when it comes to dealing with Accountability, we will know where the Darusman Report stands.

        “I am not interested in an independent investigation until independent investigations of a similar nature are conducted by the UN in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, N Ireland, etc.”

        You spoke about crimes against humanity and the need to remember the Muslim massacre victims. But you are conveniently trying to overlook the alleged killings of 40,000 plus Tamil civilians during the final stages of the war! We all know about the short comings of the UN when it comes investigating other similar events; why do you put emphasis on those and resting a possible investigation subject to UN investigating other events first? Why not start with Sri Lanka first; you care about humanity and crimes against humanity should be investigated and why not you unconditionally urge for an investigation? I consider that you know very well that Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir etc would not happen and you do not want Sri Lanka investigated as simple as that. Crimes against humanity ohh no; only the LTTE can commit crimes against humanity!

      • thivya

        //Thivya,I think you will be shocked to hear that David Blacker is half-Tamil, and the other half isn’t Sinhala either! //

        Gamarala,

        What is your point? Historically many Kandiyan Sinhalese are half Tamils (thanks to the Yakadadoli tradition) and many coastal Tamils from Chilaw to Negombo are half Tamils. How can any Tamil expect these half Tamils to be sympathized with the plight of North Eastern Tamils while we have so many well educated full Tamil doctors and engineers who are wannabe quislings? This proud Tamil race has seen so many traitors who are full Tamils, and has still managed to survive for thousands of years; therefore I don’t think we are going to worry about people who claim to be half Tamils. :)

      • thivya

        //If the good prof is right about 1962, how did Generals Devanayagam and Thurairaja, and all the other Tamil officers join up in the late ’60s? Did they pretend they were Sinhalese?//

        David Blacker,

        As I said earlier a few token Tamils here and there won’t make the Sinhala Armed forces of Sri Lanka a truly National defence force. I asked this question to OffTheCuff, it seems like he is on a long vacation.

        The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years? I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that?

        Not only the Prof. Brian Blodgett, Director of the History and Military Studies Programs for the American Public University, but even the Sri Lankan Prof. Stanley Tambiah of Harvard University published a book length comment, ‘ETHNIC FRATRICIDE AND THE DISMANTLING OF DEMOCRACY’, just two years after Sri Lanka’s conflict began. In it he noted,

        “[Today, in 1986] the armed forces are filled with Sinhalese and the Tamils are EXCLUDED from serving in them. … There has been virtually no recruitment of Tamils into the armed forces, and very little into the police force, for nearly thirty years.”

        http://www.columbia.edu/~ek2570/A90%20syllabus.html

        This book is also being used in American and Canadian universities, so should we conclude that all these professors are lying, that the American Universities are ill informed, and only David Blacker and the Sinhalese are right? :)

      • thivya

        //the Canadian government revealed that a senior commodore in the SL Navy was a Tamil. He was refused entry to Canada on grounds that the SL Navy had committed atrocities.//

        David Blacker,

        He was one of the ONLY FIVE OFFICERS IN THE NAVY. There are more than 48,000 navy personnel and only five of them were Tamils, a truly National Sri Lankan Navy indeed. :)

        “He joined the Sri Lankan Navy (the Navy) in 1981 as a service officer cadet and became an acting sub-lieutenant in 1985. By 2008, he had risen to the rank of Commodore, a position third to the Rear Admiral of the entire Navy. During his time in the Navy, the principal applicant never participated in combat. However, as one of only FIVE Tamil officers in the Navy, the principal applicant testified that he faced many challenges. He was suspected by his superiors as being a sympathizer of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) and was allegedly denied advancement at the rate he earned it.”

        Keynes,

        Here is the Nadarajah Kuruparan’s reasons for the Political asylum in Canada.

        Naval Commodore (retd) Nadarajah Kuruparan Case in Canada: Text of Judgement)

        http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/7695

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Keynes: “How then can we explain the fact that Tamils were willing to join paramilitary groups that were opposed to the LTTE?”

        Paramilitary groups most often operated in the areas they recruited from, and so its members often were able to provide security to its support base. Also, as the Tiger threat diminished, particularly in the East, the paramilitaries drew more recruits. Potential recruits would also see the paramilitaries as still Tamil, and so reason that their fighting was still for the Tamil cause.

        Sharanga: “You really want to argue that SL Army is not a Sinhala Army, and that the major reason for the lack of Tamils in the SL army is the fact that the LTTE scared the hell out of Tamils who would’ve otherwise joined the Army?”

        It is one of the major reasons. One cannot discount the fact that the military was seen as racist and oppressive and therefore less likely a place a Tamil wanted to be. It is not a “Sinhala army” anymore than SL is a Sinhalese country, just because the Sinhalese are the overwhelming majority. There are a few additional reasons why minorities are underrepresented in the military in comparison to their national population percentage, but I’ll get into that when I address Thivya.

        However, in the ’70s and early ’80s, the separatists actively targeted Tamils in the police and Armed Forces, and killed them in disproportionate numbers. This too must be taken into account.

        Burning: “Your neutrality and balanced stand appear subjective!”

        I didn’t say I am neutral. I am most certainly anti-Tiger and anti-seperatism. But within that, I believe I am fairly balanced in my outlook.

        “I do not agree with your above statement; the US played a smart move on Sri Lanka diplomatically snookered the MR regime by resting the UN resolution on the LLRC! This does not mean that the Darusman Report has been sidelined; not at all.”

        It isn’t an either/or situation. If the Darusman Report had any credibility, it would have been used as the spearhead of the resolution, with the implementation of the LLRC Report the minimum action required of the GoSL. The current resolution is fairly meaningless and points to where the US’ actual stand is in regard to war crimes investigations. The failure of the Secretary General to back his own panel’s report also is fairly telling.

        “I am not interested in an independent investigation until independent investigations of a similar nature are conducted by the UN in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, N Ireland, etc.”

        “You spoke about crimes against humanity and the need to remember the Muslim massacre victims. But you are conveniently trying to overlook the alleged killings of 40,000 plus Tamil civilians during the final stages of the war!”

        IF such a number were indeed killed — and Gordon Weisz, who first cooked up that number has now disowned it btw — there is no evidence that they were deliberately killed. So there is no sign of any such crime against humanity. I’ve addressed this in detail in my presentation to the Marga Institute.

        “We all know about the short comings of the UN when it comes investigating other similar events; why do you put emphasis on those and resting a possible investigation subject to UN investigating other events first? Why not start with Sri Lanka first; you care about humanity and crimes against humanity should be investigated and why not you unconditionally urge for an investigation? I consider that you know very well that Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir etc would not happen and you do not want Sri Lanka investigated as simple as that.”

        I sincerely believe that the GoSL did not commit any crimes against humanity. Therefore I see no reason for such an investigation. The UN too has not managed to gain sufficient credible evidence to launch such an investigation. Therefore, the only reason for the latter, is if it is the normal procedure worldwide. If so, why not start with wars where millions have actually died, where nations have been invaded illegally, and the UN has been actively lied to publicly. If those wars are untouchable, why is SL so special? Because we are small? I don’t like bullying, and I don’t think the GoSL should allow itself to be bullied.

        ” Crimes against humanity ohh no; only the LTTE can commit crimes against humanity!”

        Only the LTTE has evidence against it.

        “The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years? I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that?”

        Well, firstly the Tamils have never had a proportional representation in the Armed Forces even pre-independence. The reason for this is that the vast majority of the Armed Forces are enlisted men, who usually come from the rural peasantry. Tamils have always — as a community — been more educated than the Sinhalese, and therefore opted for the officer corps. Even within the officer corps, Tamils usually went for the technical branches — again due to better education and career prospects — rather than the combat arms. If you take Malays, Moors, and Burghers, you will find that they are not proportionally represented either, in spite of the fact that there is no conflict between them and the Sinhalese. My battalion of 1,200 men had only two Burghers in it. This is nothing to do with racism; simply a matter of demography. If you take the Tigers, you would find that they were 99.9% Tamil. Therefore, do you conclude that the LTTE was a racist mono-ethnic organisation?

        ““[Today, in 1986] the armed forces are filled with Sinhalese and the Tamils are EXCLUDED from serving in them. … There has been virtually no recruitment of Tamils into the armed forces, and very little into the police force, for nearly thirty years.””

        Of course the Armed Forces are filled with Sinhalese; Sri Lanka is filled with Sinhalese. There was no such exclusion. Can you give us a documented account of a Tamil being excluded from the Armed Forces on grounds of his ethnicity?

        “This book is also being used in American and Canadian universities, so should we conclude that all these professors are lying, that the American Universities are ill informed, and only David Blacker and the Sinhalese are right?”

        All these professors”? You’ve mentioned just two. That’s not even the handful you claim the Tamil numbers in the Armed Forces make up. Many accepted theories are based on misinformation or ignorance. So unless you can actually provide documentation of such exclusion, it is just a subjective opinion.

      • John

        thivya
        //“in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ETHNICALLY PURE ARMY.”//

        What else do you expect if all the coup leaders of Army who tried to topple GOSL were non Sinhala Buddhists,? unless of course GOSL was run by amateurs .
        _______________
        //”The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years?”//

        Fair enough, This 20.48% included Plantation Tamils as well , so if you are fair here why the hell you guys are asking 33% of Land & 67 % of Territorial waters of whole Sri Lanka for 12 % Ceylon Tamils ? You take ethnic % when it fits you, if not no & say those were our “Traditional Homeland” . Perhaps, you better find a China man with tied hair (Konde bandapu cheena) & present your argument.
        _________________

        Udatalawinna Case.//“All of them were acquitted in July 2009, as usual, because the killers were Sinhalese.”//

        Why didn’t the aggrieved party appeal to higher court ?
        If you do not know pl. note those Muslims came as prosecution witnesses made mockery of the case by siding with accused party , giving conflicting accounts & some withdrawing earlier submissions, ( perhaps after receiving “donations” which were not documented ), so the culprits escaped.
        _______________

        //“I told some Tamil friends in Tamil Nadu that the Muslims are not Tamils and they don’t identify themselves as Tamils in Sri Lanka”//

        How can a Muslim with selfrespect identify with Tamils after they were massacred in east & chased away from North by mass murderer V.Prabha the megalomaniac ?
        _______________

        //“Rajapaksa did not say anything about the burning of the Mosque and he went to get the blessings of the Monk who destroyed the Dambulla Mosque.”//

        Mosque wasn’t destroyed , it’s intact, prayers have been regularly done, except only one day (Friday of the that particular week of the incident ). Further reason for this incident was a land dispute & the clash between Sinhala politico of the area ( Minister of Lands-GOSL) & the Chief monk of the Buddhist temple, nothing to do with any Sinhala/Muslim issue.
        ________________

        //“Historically many Kandiyan Sinhalese are half Tamils (thanks to the Yakadadoli tradition)”//

        “brilliant” , Most hilarious of all, Dear thivya, please elaborate more , no doubt you would be named for next “Nobel” prize. ( I am a Kandyan Sinhalese.)
        Is it because we had 03 Kings, brought down from Royal families of larger Dravidian Family ( not Tamil but from Kerala ) of South India ? or because most of the Kings of Gampola era & Kandy era had South Indian Queens? (this was because Royals never wanted to marry Commoners, even today’s Queen Elizabeth married Greek Prince Phillip, with no any shortage of able men in England in 1950’s )

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        David,

        I’m writing this without having read your reply to Thivya, but I think you don’t have to talk about threats made by LTTE and other complicated political reasons to explain why Tamils are under-represented in the SL military. Here is what I think about this.

        There’s a famous social psychology experiment called Robbers Cave experiment. Here’s what they did. They selected 22 boys from 22 different schools, all from stable middle class families. They were taken to a summer camp. The idea was to find out what it took to start a conflict. So they divided the 22 into two groups of 11.

        And this was sufficient.

        All scientists had to do to start a conflict was to divide the boys into two groups. Conflicts started the moment the groups became aware of each other’s existence. Not only that, they both developed contrasting sterotypes.

        So what I think is, you really don’t have to find complicated reasons for these things. People don’t do political stuff after thinking about complicated reasons to do whatever they want to do. The cause of the problem is simple. Sinhalese and Tamils think they are two groups, and that’s enough to start a conflict. So to join the SL Army, decidedly controlled by the Sinhalese, would be akin to treason.

      • Burning Issue

        Dear David,

        “I didn’t say I am neutral. I am most certainly anti-Tiger and anti-seperatism. But within that, I believe I am fairly balanced in my outlook.”

        It is best that how others view your “fairly balanced” outlook. I am also anti-tiger and anti-separatism. Above all, I am for fairness and good governance. I therefore hove no hesitation in asking for a viable investigation into what was afoot during the final stages of the war. This is absolutely vital as there was no independent media reporting and the local media was gagged. Moreover, an investigation is absolute must for establishing a common ground for a viable Reconciliation.

        “It isn’t an either/or situation. If the Darusman Report had any credibility, it would have been used as the spearhead of the resolution, with the implementation of the LLRC Report the minimum action required of the GoSL.”

        The resolution may appear meaningless but the inclusion of the internal Accountability is significant; the Darusman report lays at this vary basis. If the internal accountability mechanism does not live up to the International Standards, the Darusman report will be the basis for a possible UN headed investigation.

        “The current resolution is fairly meaningless and points to where the US’ actual stand is in regard to war crimes investigations.”

        I do not agree with that at all. The resolution has been watered down by the Indians for obvious reasons. It took over 10 years for Rwanda issues to materalise at the Hague; we need to judge the Darusman report in this context.

        “IF such a number were indeed killed — and Gordon Weisz, who first cooked up that number has now disowned it btw — there is no evidence that they were deliberately killed. So there is no sign of any such crime against humanity. I’ve addressed this in detail in my presentation to the Marga Institute.”

        I am sorry Gordon Weisz came up with his estimation and obviously he cannot categorically qualify the number; this is why he called for an impartial investigation! How do you know categorically that there is no evidence as to the deliberate killings from both sides? You can speculate like Gordon Weisz did but you cannot say it with conviction that the alleged deliberate killings were unfounded. This is precisely why there should be an investigation. Why are you so adamant on this issue? If you are, as you claim, a defender of human rights and if you honestly believe that alleged crimes against humanity should be investigated, you should actively support an investigation even though you believe there is no foundation. It should not be about what you believe; it should be about establishing facts paving a way for the affected people to bring about a form of a closure; it thus forms a basis for moving forward. No investigation means no closure; no trust; a complete subjugation.

        “I sincerely believe that the GoSL did not commit any crimes against humanity. Therefore I see no reason for such an investigation.”

        David, you may well be correct then why not allow an investigation to establish that? I cannot fathom as to why you are against it on principle!

        “The UN too has not managed to gain sufficient credible evidence to launch such an investigation.”

        This is not true David; you know as well as I do that the politics of Geo and Indian sub-continent are at work here; it is going to take time but surely things will change in due course.

        I said:” Crimes against humanity ohh no; only the LTTE can commit crimes against humanity!”

        You said: “Only the LTTE has evidence against it.”

        It is because; the GOSL has been selective in terms of releasing evidences! If you were to say this after a thorough investigation has been carried out, it will carry more credence. The MR regime is corrupt and unscrupulous. It is obvious that the internal mechanisms cannot challenge it; therefore, it is vital, not only for establishing the facts but also to check the regime against international standards, for an independent body to examine the last stages of the war.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        It is strange that such an observation by a “purported Main Stream Educationalist (?)” find himself quoted only by Pro Terrorist web sites. such as the following five links. The only ones that google could find.

        http://www.tamilguardian.com/article.asp?articleid=2855
        http://www.tamilguardian.com/article.asp?articleid=3268
        http://www.tamilguardian.com/print.asp?articleid=2855
        tamilguardian.com/print.asp?articleid=3268
        vettrikandaswamy.blogspot.com/2007/07/1-2-3-4-5-83.html

        Can you please link the original document that you have attributed to Professor Brian Blodgett ?

        What Thambiyah wrote and was published in 1986 is unsupported by any reference material. Anyone can make unsupported claims.

        Thambiayh writes the following passage that proves that he is not an impartial historian but a pro Eelamist who believes that Sri Lanka has a Tamil Territory within it which is exempt from being governed by the Sri Lankan Govt.

        Hence while he believes that the govt’s security presence has no right to be in this “Tamil Territory” he forgets that this self same govt provided Free Education up to University, free medical and subsidised food also within this so called “Tamil Territory”. Additionally it is also this self same govt that provided all necessary services on which the public within this “Tamil Territory” depended on for their day to day living.

        He also has a difficulty in calling a spade a spade. To him the “Liberation Tigers” as he calls them, is labelled as Terrorists only by the Sri Lankan Govt, forgetting that the world has labelled them as terrorists.

        Extract
        The conventional and agreed upon story is that the most proximate cause or trigger was the a,bush of an army truck and the killing and mutilation of thirteen soldiers at Tinneveli, a place in the Jaffna district in the heart of Sri Lankan Tamil territory, which had been under occupation for some time. This ambush was made by a group of Sri Lankan Tamil youth who call themselves the “Liberation Tigers” of Tamil Eelam, and whom the govt refers to as terrorists. The army of occupation, some 1200 troops at the time, was composed almost totally of Sinhalese. Indeed the armed forces (but not the police) in Sri Lanka today are virtually filled by the majority Sinhalese, and the Tamil minority are virtually excluded from serving in them. In 1983, Tamils at best formed 5% or less of a standing army of around 11,000 regulars and about 2000 – 4000 volunteers. Even more disconcerting is that there has been virtually no recruitment of Tamils into the armed forces and very little into the police force, for nearly thirty years. Except for the age group close to retirement, Tamils are today virtually unrepresented in the armed forces and heavily under represented in the police force if we take the population size as the criterion, a criterion that most Sinhalese automatically invoke in their favour.
        End extract

        Mr Thambiah seems to have forgotten the threats by the Tamil terrorists against the family members of any Tamil who dared to join the armed forces that dried up Tamil applicants to the forces.

        He has forgotten the assassinations of Tamil policemen who were in service in Jaffna that dried up prospective Tamil applicants to the Police.

        Mr Thambiayah makes extensive use of the word “Virtually” which is an admission that in reality his claims are false. It also indicates that he is not working with actual statistics but spinning a yarn to suit his separatist views.

        He makes a statement about 5% Tamils being the max number of Tamils in the forces but is unable to provide evidence of such.

        Thambiyah has also forgotten that Lanka has other minorities within her polity. He has completely avoided commenting on the representation of these minorities within the forces.

        Overall, Mr Thambiayah has been spinning a yarn to support his Separatist views.

        Hence you will have to do better than bring up what separatists like Thambiayah write about Lanka or Professors like Brian Blodgett (who cannot even substantiate what he writes) as authorities, in support of your arguments.

        Sharanga,

        “I’m writing this without having read your reply to Thivya, but I think you don’t have to talk about threats made by LTTE and other complicated political reasons to explain why Tamils are under-represented in the SL military. Here is what I think about this.”

        Would you be joining the SL Forces if in addition to you, your Family is threatened with death? That is what the LTTE did. What is complicated about understanding that?

        “You really want to argue that SL Army is not a Sinhala Army, and that the major reason for the lack of Tamils in the SL army is the fact that the LTTE scared the hell out of Tamils who would’ve otherwise joined the Army?”

        Prove that it is a Sinhala army and not a Sri Lankan one, just because a majority within it is Sinhalese.

        Though I would take you up on the gender discrimination issue you raise, It is too remote from the topic to do so without risking the axe of the moderators unless you raise it as a substantive article on GV.

        Keynes!

        “How then can we explain the fact that Tamils were willing to join paramilitary groups that were opposed to the LTTE?”

        Any evidence to prove that a majority of Tamils were willing to join willingly to fight and put their lives on the line?

        Take young Ms. Thivya as an example, was she willing to join any paramilitary group to fight and put her life or that of her siblings on the line? She is willing to write but was not willing to fight. At least a million Lanka Tamils and almost the entirety of the Indian origin Tamils were not willing to fight.

        Hence using the generic term “Tamils” does not give a proper perspective on the issue. If Tamils in general were willing to fight there was no need to forcibly recruit children.

        Burning Issue

        “You spoke about crimes against humanity and the need to remember the Muslim massacre victims. But you are conveniently trying to overlook the alleged killings of 40,000 plus Tamil civilians during the final stages of the war! We all know about the short comings of the UN when it comes investigating other similar events; why do you put emphasis on those and resting a possible investigation subject to UN investigating other events first?”

        If you are interested in crimes against Humanity what is more Heinous than incinerating a whole city full of hapless people?

        If the first atomic bomb is labelled as a an inevitable result of war, why refuse to investigate the use of a second Atomic bomb that vaporised a whole City full of people. Was it necessary to win the war? Was not the first bomb enough of a message for Japan’s capitulation? (The numbers that were subject to that horror are factual and not a figment of imagination of one disgruntled UN employee who minted money by playing on the emotions of a section of Tamils).

        Why should not the carpet fire bombing of Dresden be investigated as a crime against humanity? Were the German infants not human?

        Why should the bombing of Iraq in a war that the UN was deliberately deceived to authorise, exempt from investigation, given the atrocities committed in the name of the UN, as crimes against humanity?

        Why should Sri Lanka be singled out when any deliberate intent of targeting civilians cannot be proved and those preceding can be proved?

        Why not start with Sri Lanka first; you care about humanity and crimes against humanity should be investigated and why not you unconditionally urge for an investigation? I consider that you know very well that Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir etc would not happen and you do not want Sri Lanka investigated as simple as that. Crimes against humanity ohh no; only the LTTE can commit crimes against humanity! “

        Under which Law is Sri Lanka to be investigated?
        Why clamour for Kangaroo Court justice?
        Are we talking of Justice and the equality in the eyes of the Law?

        Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Iraq, Afganistan, Chechniya, Tibet, Kashmir, Australia, UK, China, USA, Canada, Germany, Deigo Garcia, France, Sri Lanka etc should all be investigated but non singled out.

        Is there a difference in the value of life, depending on the Ethnicity of those who died?

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        Off the cuff,

        Would you be joining the SL Forces if in addition to you, your Family is threatened with death? That is what the LTTE did. What is complicated about understanding that?

        If I take the question literally, then No. But then I wouldn’t join the Army even if you threatened to kill me. But if I try to run with the sense of the question, yes, it is indeed quite complicated, and not very sound. Proving that LTTE threatened to kill the families is not enough. Proving that they actually did it is not enough. You have to prove that the LTTE had an excellent propaganda machinery within the country to make it work. Once you have proven all these three things, you have to prove that before such threats were made, there were Tamil Soldiers:Army =~ Tamils:Total population, before such threats were made by the LTTE. That’s really quite complicated, and you’ll never be able to prove all this.

        Prove that it is a Sinhala army and not a Sri Lankan one, just because a majority within it is Sinhalese.

        This is actually pretty obvious. There’s nothing to prove actually. SL Army is not a Sinhala Army because the majority within it is Sinhalese, it is a Sinhala Army because it is controlled by the Sinhalese. At the head of the army is the head of the state, and have we ever had a head of state who was not Sinhalese?

        This should be fairly obvious. Imagine a Army of which 99% are Sinhalese. But their supreme leader is Prabakaran, leading the Army with the objective of creating Tamil Eelam, using the same tactics he used when he was the leader of LTTE. What would you call this Army?

      • Keynes!

        Off the Cuff,

        “If Tamils in general were willing to fight there was no need to forcibly recruit children.”

        That’s a very good point.

      • Off the Cuff

        Sharanga,

        I have no interest in getting you to join the Army so kindly discuss the subject matter.

        You wrote “Proving that LTTE threatened to kill the families is not enough. Proving that they actually did it is not enough. You have to prove that the LTTE had an excellent propaganda machinery within the country to make it work.”

        You are contradicting yourself. They make the threats. They carry out the threats and yet you say they needed a propaganda machinery within Lanka to discourage Tamil applicants to the forces. What made you think that these were not reported in the Lankan news media? The pictures of the lamp post killings was in every media in Lanka.

        You say “Once you have proven all these three things, you have to prove that before such threats were made, there were Tamil Soldiers:Army =~ Tamils:Total population, before such threats were made by the LTTE. That’s really quite complicated, and you’ll never be able to prove all this. “

        Looks like you are out of touch with Sri Lanka.
        Sri Lanka does not practice Conscription.
        Hence every applicant regardless of ethnicity, religion etc have to do so voluntarily.
        Hence your ethnic ratios does not apply here.
        In order for you to claim that SL forces are Sinhala Forces you have to prove that these Voluntary Minority applicants were rejected due solely on ethnic criteria.

        As I pointed out before, there were and are members of the minority communities within the SL Forces (the second in command in Jaffna was Major General Rathnasabapathy, an ethnic Tamil, when the Jaffna commander was Sarath Fonseka, a senior Major General from intake 3) and as David Blacker pointed out minority members have even achieved the highest award for bravery in the SL Forces. Hence it is incumbent upon you, who Labelled the SL Forces as Sinhala Forces, to prove your case. You have failed to do that so far.

        You say “This is actually pretty obvious. There’s nothing to prove actually. SL Army is not a Sinhala Army because the majority within it is Sinhalese, it is a Sinhala Army because it is controlled by the Sinhalese. At the head of the army is the head of the state, and have we ever had a head of state who was not Sinhalese? “

        Very poor argument.
        Lanka is a one person one vote democracy.
        70+% of the population is Sinhala.
        Unless we have a Statesman that can command the respect of this majority, from within the Minority communities, such as Lakshman Kadirgama, an ethnic Tamil, how do you propose to have an elected Head of State from within the Minority?

        If you are trying to insinuate that the Sinhalese in general, are racially minded, how do you explain members from the minority communities getting elected from Sinhala Majority areas? Would the reasons be Obvious?

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Sharanga: “I’m writing this without having read your reply to Thivya, but I think you don’t have to talk about threats made by LTTE and other complicated political reasons to explain why Tamils are under-represented in the SL military. Here is what I think about this.”

        My reasons weren’t political (beyond the terrorist threat), but demographical.

        “The cause of the problem is simple. Sinhalese and Tamils think they are two groups, and that’s enough to start a conflict. So to join the SL Army, decidedly controlled by the Sinhalese, would be akin to treason.”

        I think it’s less simple than that. The Moors, Malays, Burghers, etc, all think of themselves as separate groups, and yet there hasn’t been any conflict. The Jaffna Tamils and the Upcountry Tamils think of themselves as separate groups, yet there has been no conflict.

        Regardless, my response to Thivya was to counter his claim that Sinhalese racism and exclusivity was the prime factor in keeping the SL military Sinhalese majority. My point is that there were other factors.

        Burning: “It is best that how others view your “fairly balanced” outlook.”

        Others are free to form their own opinion. My response was to Thivya’s assertion that since I am not neural, I have no right to speak. I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of such claims.

        “I am also anti-tiger and anti-separatism. Above all, I am for fairness and good governance. I therefore hove no hesitation in asking for a viable investigation into what was afoot during the final stages of the war.”

        Then I am sure you must be for fairness and good governance throughout the democratic world. It can hardly be fair to apply selective justice in SL while ignoring far greater bloodshed and injustice in the very seats of democracy and good governance.

        “This is absolutely vital as there was no independent media reporting and the local media was gagged. Moreover, an investigation is absolute must for establishing a common ground for a viable Reconciliation.”

        You have brought up the necessity for an investigation on the basis of reconciliation before. And I have questioned you as to how the former will bring about the latter when the side being investigated sees such an action as an unfair and unjust one. Perhaps you could try again to explain this more satisfactorily than the last time.

        “The resolution may appear meaningless but the inclusion of the internal Accountability is significant; the Darusman report lays at this vary basis.”

        Accountability is always basis of any such fact-finding report. It doesn’t mean therefore that because the resolution calls for accountability that it is based on the Darusman Report. The LLRC also calls for accountability.

        ” If the internal accountability mechanism does not live up to the International Standards, the Darusman report will be the basis for a possible UN headed investigation.”

        That is just speculation. Such reports have a limited currency, and must be acted on within their shelf life. It is unlikely that any future resolution will go back to an older report having already based a previous resolution on a more current report. I think it’s fair to say that there will never be any action based on the Darusman Report. If the GoSL fails to implement the LLRC to the satisfaction of your so-called international standards, a fresh UN report will probably be called for based on the current situation, and any possible investigation will be based on that report.

        “I do not agree with that at all. The resolution has been watered down by the Indians for obvious reasons. It took over 10 years for Rwanda issues to materalise at the Hague; we need to judge the Darusman report in this context.”

        The Rwandan genocide was quite clearly a genocide, and it still took ten years. Even the most vengeful reader of the Darusman Report will find it hard to find any credible evidence of genocide or other crimes against humanity committed by the GoSL.

        “IF such a number were indeed killed — and Gordon Weisz, who first cooked up that number has now disowned it btw — there is no evidence that they were deliberately killed. So there is no sign of any such crime against humanity. I’ve addressed this in detail in my presentation to the Marga Institute.”

        “I am sorry Gordon Weisz came up with his estimation and obviously he cannot categorically qualify the number; this is why he called for an impartial investigation! How do you know categorically that there is no evidence as to the deliberate killings from both sides? You can speculate like Gordon Weisz did but you cannot say it with conviction that the alleged deliberate killings were unfounded. This is precisely why there should be an investigation. Why are you so adamant on this issue?”

        Well if he couldn’t qualify the number, he shouldn’t have made the claim. If you’ve read The Cage, you’ll find that Weisz is a lot more reticent in his claims in the book than he does in his frankly sensationalist interviews. And I’m sorry, but you can’t say “Ooh we don’t know jack, so let’s have an investigation anyway. It could be ten, it could be ten thousand, who knows, but let’s have an investigation.” That’s not how the law works. You have to find sufficient evidence to make it probable that a crime has been committed, THEN you get your investigation. As I’ve said before, it’s like a cop applying to a judge for a search warrant; he has to show sufficient suspicion of a crime. He can’t say, “Oh gimme the warrant anyway.” Frankly, the judges haven’t been convinced, and it’s quite lame to pull out the geo-political card every time a call for an investigation is shot down.

        “If you are, as you claim, a defender of human rights and if you honestly believe that alleged crimes against humanity should be investigated, you should actively support an investigation even though you believe there is no foundation.”

        Firstly, I have not made myself out to be any such superhero. I believe if there are sufficient allegations of crimes against humanity, we should investigate. But I see no such credibility in the allegations. The call for investigations are being called for most loudly by a segment of people who have nothing but vindictiveness and vengeance on their minds. It’s like someone who hates you calling for you to be investigated publicly on rape and murder, calling for your home to be invaded and searched just to see if they find some bodies. You are under no obligation to cooperate with such foolishness.

        “It should not be about what you believe; it should be about establishing facts paving a way for the affected people to bring about a form of a closure; it thus forms a basis for moving forward. No investigation means no closure; no trust; a complete subjugation.”

        You are assuming that any such investigation will be conclusive, and that all sides will be satisfied with the conclusion. Surely you can’t be that naive? Both sides are deeply entrenched and refuse to budge an inch. There isn’t going to be any smoking gun that can be held up to the light. Can you even explain what you would consider to be conclusive proof of a crime against humanity?

        “David, you may well be correct then why not allow an investigation to establish that? I cannot fathom as to why you are against it on principle!”

        I am against it in principle for the same reason that the US, the UK, India, Israel, and any other democracy you care to name is against external investigations of their internal affairs.

        “This is not true David; you know as well as I do that the politics of Geo and Indian sub-continent are at work here; it is going to take time but surely things will change in due course.”

        Well if that’s true, what point is an investigation? If an investigation showed that there were such crimes, what is to stop geo-politics preventing justice, just as it has been prevented in Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan, and elsewhere?

        “It is because; the GOSL has been selective in terms of releasing evidences!”

        Lol, you’re once more assuming that there is unreleased evidence. The evidence on the Tigers is there. Why hasn’t Adele Balasingham, Rudrakumaran, and other war criminals and financiers of war crimes been brought to book? Why has no investigation been launched on the evidence that DOES exist; instead of hoping for evidence we don’t know of?

        “The MR regime is corrupt and unscrupulous.”

        Many such regimes exist worldwide, and while you may not like that, you have no right to investigate or change of any of them. Being the above doesn’t automatically make you a war criminal.

        “It is obvious that the internal mechanisms cannot challenge it; therefore, it is vital, not only for establishing the facts but also to check the regime against international standards, for an independent body to examine the last stages of the war.”

        Well if those standards were not applied in WW2, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, what are these standards you’re talking about?

      • thivya

        //It is strange that such an observation by a “purported Main Stream Educationalist (?)” find himself quoted only by Pro Terrorist web sites. such as the following five links. The only ones that google could find.//

        There are so many websites, Sinhala propagandists and Tamil quislings to justify the Sinhala atrocities and racism against Tamils, and only a handful of brave Tamil websites are challenging them. It is not new that any Sinhala Buddhist chauvinist would label them as ‘pro terrorist’ websites because they are trying to show the Sinhala state terror against Tamils.

        //Can you please link the original document that you have attributed to Professor Brian Blodgett ?//

        The Tamil guardian already gave the link to the Prof. Brian Blodgett’s book.

        http://www.amazon.com/Sri-Lankas-Military-Search-Mission/dp/159330182

        I could not get the actual pages. As you know not all books are available for free on google. But I found that unlike what you said not only pro terrorist websites are quoting Prof. Brian Blodgett’s study but others also have quoting him.

        “Brian Blodgett, notes in his detailed historical study of Sri Lanka’s military, “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army. (2004:54). Today the Sri Lankan armed forces are overwhelmingly Sinhala.”

        http://www.berghof-conflictresearch.org/documents/publications/transitions_ltte.pdf

        http://calhoun.nps.edu/public/bitstream/handle/10945/7319/12Jun_Chandradasa.pdf?sequence=1

        “If Mr. Rajapaksa had ‘nuts and guts’, he’d have stressed what percent of the 200,000 army personnel in 2009 were Sinhalese and what percent of the 42,000 “proper paramilitary force” (“the able bodied men”) were Sinhalese. By establishing a mono-ethnic army BY EDICT SINCE 1962, it was the Sri Lankan state that discriminated against the Tamils.

        AMIRTHALINGAM IN HIS INTERVIEW HIGHLIGHTED THIS POINT:

        “Today [i.e., 1981] there isn’t even two or three percent of Tamil persons in the police and not even one percent of Tamils in the army. This has now become an army of occupation in the Tamil territories…”.

        http://www.sangam.org/2011/06/Amirthalingam_1981.php?uid=4383&print=true

        //What Thambiyah wrote and was published in 1986 is unsupported by any reference material. Anyone can make unsupported claims.//

        Since Prof. Stanley Tambiah is a Sri Lankan Tamil, offthcuff is liberally venting his angst against him. If Prof. Tambiah of Harward Univesity is an Eelamist and his book is partial, like offthecuff is trying to portray here, I doubt the Canadian and American universities will use them as study material. :)

        If he really thinks Prof. Brian Blodgett and Prof. Tambaiah were wrong in saying the Sri Lankan army is largely a mono Ethnic Sinhala army, he should factually challenge them because their books are still being used in universities.

        Many Sinhalese are trying to hide the obvious truth about the Mono Ethnic Sinhala nature of the Sri Lankan armed forces, as usual they are dragging the LTTE to justify all their crimes against the Tamils of Sri Lanka. But there are enough articles and information on the net show that Prof. Brian Blodgett and Prof Tambaiah’s statements were right in saying “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army.”

        The policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted after the ” OPERATION HOLDFAST”: The attempted coup d’etat of Jan 1962.

        Here you can read about the coup of 1962.

        http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/1250

        Everyone knows there was no LTTE in 1962. All the Sinhalese are trying very hard to ‘prove’ the LTTE is the reason for the lack of minorities in the Sri Lankan armed forces. The policy of recruiting only the Sinhalese started long before the birth of the LTTE. So it is not just dishonest but pure stupidity to say that the LTTE was the reason the Tamils did not join the army. Did the LTTE stop the Sri Lankan army from recruiting the upcountry Tamils to the army? Please tell us the percentage of Muslims in the Sri Lankan army. Did the LTTE also stop large number of Muslim youth from joining the army? Just like the Tamil paramilitaries, the Muslim home guards were a separate unit which the Sri Lankan army used to terrorize the Tamils, and divide the Tamils and Muslims in the East.

        OffTheCuff,

        “The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years? I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that?”

      • thivya

        //If you take the Tigers, you would find that they were 99.9% Tamil. Therefore, do you conclude that the LTTE was a racist mono-ethnic organisation?//

        David Blacker,

        Yes, the LTTE was a racist mono-ethnic organization, so are the Sri Lankan armed forces. Thanks for equating the so called Terrorist organization LTTE and the Armed forces of the Terror state of Sri Lanka. The LTTE was the Tamil’s answer for the state terror unleashed on them from the days of independence.

      • thivya

        //Take young Ms. Thivya as an example, was she willing to join any paramilitary group to fight and put her life or that of her siblings on the line? She is willing to write but was not willing to fight. //

        OffTheCuff,

        The strength of the State of Israel is not their weapons but the unrelenting support of the American Jews. Do you think every Jew in New York is fighting on the front lines to defend their Homeland from the sea of Arabs surrounding the Jewish state?

        Not every American Jew is joining the Israeli Army to defend their land, but does it mean they don’t love and support their Jewish Homeland. Similarly, the Diaspora Tamils to Tamil homeland are like the American Jews to Isreal. Our economic and political strength is important for the freedom and well being of the Tamils in our homeland in the North East of Sri Lanka.

        At least Prabhakaran made his off springs fight and die for the cause he believed in, but the Sinhala leaders sent their off springs to London and America in readymade scholarships while the sons and daughters of the Sinhala peasants were dying under our Palmyra trees. I think offthecuff should discuss that instead of analyzing whether the Tamil Diaspora is willing to fight or not.

        //Why should not the carpet fire bombing of Dresden be investigated as a crime against humanity? Were the German infants not human?//

        This is hilarious; the Sinhalese want to go back to Dresden to deny justice to Tamil victims while waxing eloquent about reconciliation.

        //Why should the bombing of Iraq in a war that the UN was deliberately deceived to authorise, exempt from investigation, given the atrocities committed in the name of the UN, as crimes against humanity?//

        What does Iraq have to do with us Sri Lankan Tamils? Some Sinhalese think since the Americans bombed some miserable country it’s all right for the Sinhalese to bomb and kill Tamil civilians in their own country. The United State’s war crimes cannot be used to defend the Sinhala war crimes. If the USA committed war crime in Iraq and Afghanistan, let the people affected demand and take action against the USA not the Sinhalese. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If the Sinhalese have nothing to hide why are they afraid of an independent investigation?

        Let’s hope the Sinhala people will come to their senses and stop defending the war criminals. The Serbian people realized that Patriotism has nothing to do with defending the war criminals and let justice prevail. Only then were they able to build their country and hope for a better future.

        “Instead of supporting international calls for a proper investigation and the prosecution of those responsible for mass atrocities against what are SUPPOSEDLY FELLOW CITIZENS Sri Lanka`s mainstream media, commentators and, now, the main opposition parties have instead rallied to defend the regime and its conduct of the war.

        The Sinhala nation has effectively closed ranks to defend its government and armed forces. This collective refusal to even countenance investigation of the state`s war crimes NOT ONLY VINDICATES THE CALL FOR AN INTERNATIONAL INQUIRY, IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THE FUNDAMENTAL AND ENDURING ETHNIC CRISIS IN SRI LANKA.”

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        I have seen how these debates keep on and on for days on Groundviews. I really don’t want to get involved in one of those. So this’ll be last comment here.

        Off the cuff,

        You are right about everything. You win.

        David,

        Normal human beings try to avoid conflict where possible. Simply because there are two groups who are hostile to each other doesn’t mean they will start a conflict that’ll end in mutual destruction. But the hostility would always be there. There’s hostility between Sinhalese and Muslims, and they surface from time to time, like in the Dambulla Mosque incident.

        It’s also worth noting that during the same Robbers Cave experiment, scientists researched what it took to reduce hostility between the two group. The answered turned out to be having a common enemy. The boys worked together when they were told they had to save the part they were in from thieves and muggers and all sorts of bad people. There is some hostility between Sinhalese-Buddhists and Sinhalese-Christians. Imagine what would be the case if no other ethnic or religious group was there.

        Anyway, nice talking with you. Bye.

      • thivya

        //“brilliant” , Most hilarious of all, Dear thivya, please elaborate more , no doubt you would be named for next “Nobel” prize. ( I am a Kandyan Sinhalese.) Is it because we had 03 Kings, brought down from Royal families of larger Dravidian Family ( not Tamil but from Kerala ) of South India ? //
        John,

        The Kingdom of Kandy was ruled by Tamil blooded, Tamil speaking Nayake Dynasty of Madurai(the ancient city of Tamils) from 1739 to 1815. For more than 75 years they had so many Sinhala Yakadadolis (concubines).

        The children born to the King and palace officials with the Sinhala concubines inherited the name Bandara (in Tamil Bandaram). That’s why I said there are half Tamil Sinhalese but if that makes you feel better, I can rephrase it as half South Indian Sinhala families and their descendants are still in Kandy. :)

        Kirti Sri Raja Singha was the second Nayaka king of Kandy. He was a prince from the Madurai Nayak Dynasty and the brother-in-law of Sri Vijaya Raja Singha. He succeeded his brother-in-law to the throne in 1751. For example Vahala Bandara was the son of late King Kirthi Sri Rajasimha, and a commoner (Sinhala yakadoli). How would you call the descendants of Vahala Bandara, whose father was a Tamil blooded, Tamil speaking Nayaka king of Madurai, the ancient city of Tamils. :)

        “According to PADMA EDIRISINGHE in her article The concubines of our last kings, she says the the fountain areas from which the concubines were drawn. They are as follows: Rambukwella and Alutgama families in Udu Dumbara. Amunugama and Halyale families in Patha Dumbara. Aludeniya, Mampitiya and Dunuvila families. Harispattuwa Moonerawila family in Matale. Unamboowa family from Udapalatha. ”

        “That the Yakadadolis, the third category of concubines did not live with the king is amply testified by the fact that when the last king was captured only the Tamil speaking queens were with him. The Sinhala queens or more correctly concubines were safely in their own homes. It was the South Indian wives who hung around the neck of V. Dias, the ancestor of the Bandranaike family crying and shouting “Andavane” in distress (according to his diary).

        Mr. Kapila Vimaladharma in his recent book, “Women in the Kandyan Kingdom” says that probably the Randolis were called so since they rode in gold-gilt palanquins and the Yakada – dolis were called so since they rode in iron – wrought palanquins. The Yakadadolis languished in their own villages awaiting a rare charika (tour) by the king. Yet they seem to have been well treated. Extensive land grants had been made to them and males in the families raised to Bandara status.

        The worst discrimination the concubines suffered from was that their offsprings by the king were not recognized as heirs to the throne. Thus when the last Sinhala king’s South Indian wives failed to produce a son a move was afoot to crown the son of Unamboowa Kumarihamy by the king but it was not successful due to the above factor plus the jealousy of other chieftains.

        In an interesting article written by Mr. Wimaladharma to the RAS Journal 2000 he mentions the fountain areas from which the concubines were drawn. They are as follows:

        Rambukwella and Alutgama families in Udu Dumbara.
        Amunugama and Halyale families in Patha Dumbara.
        Aludeniya, Mampitiya and Dunuvila families.
        Harispattuwa Moonerawila family in Matale.
        Unamboowa family from Udapalatha. ”

        http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/conc.html

        “The offspring of Kandyan Kings from aristocratic concubines (yakadadoli) were those that were originally considered as Radalas. In addition to a chief queen and one or two secondary queens, Kandyan kings also had a Harem. Harem ladies from royal stock were called Randoli. Hindu princesses were brought over from Madurai in South India as Randolis, after the royal families of the maritime region in Sri Lanka converted to Christianity and were therefore no longer eligible. Ladies of the Radala and Govigama castes were taken into the harem as Yakadadoli and sometimes as Randolis. Favourite concubines frequently received land grants and their offspring were appointed as high officials of the royal court and in a few cases inherited the kingdom. As a result of this, Mampitiya Bandara and Unamboowe Bandara, born to Radala yakadadolis and fathered by Kandyan kings, could have ascendened the Kandyan throne.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radala

        Even Pilimatalwa had South Indian blood connections to the people of Madurai who arrived in the Kandyan Kingdom during the reign of Sri Vira Parkrama Narendrasinha of Kundasale. The Sinhala rootweb exaggerates all of them as Royal Family, but it clearly says the Piliatalavuava are SOUTH INDIANS, and Ehelepola is a Nephew of Plimatalavuva. :)

        “Pilimatalavuva Maha Adikaram was the third son of a family of Kandyan Chieftain who descended from an old established family which served the Sinhalese Kings from ancient times on one side and revived and restored by the assimilation with Royal SOUTH INDIAN who arrived in the Kandyan Kingdom during the reign of Sri Vira Parkrama Narendrasinha of Kundasale.

        His full name was Pilimatalavuva Vijesundera Rajakaruna Senaviratne Abhayakoon Panditha Mudiyanse alias Urulevatta Agra Senadhipathi alias Arave Pallegampaha Maha Adikaram III. His father and elder brother also served as Maha Adikaram before him.

        The disgraced adigar was replaced by his NEPHEW, Ehelepola, who soon came under suspicion of following his uncle in plotting the overthrow of Sri Vikrama Rajasinha. The king reacted harshly Ehelepola was dismissed, his lands confiscated and his wife and children imprisoned and executed. According to a Sri Lankan account.”

        http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/pilimatalavuva.htm

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Thivya: “There are so many websites, Sinhala propagandists and Tamil quislings to justify the Sinhala atrocities and racism against Tamils, and only a handful of brave Tamil websites are challenging them. It is not new that any Sinhala Buddhist chauvinist would label them as ‘pro terrorist’ websites because they are trying to show the Sinhala state terror against Tamils.”

        So you’re judging their authenticity by their low numbers? Lol. So the fewer people believe in something the more credence you would give it? No wonder you seem so passionate about your argument.

        “Brian Blodgett, notes in his detailed historical study of Sri Lanka’s military, “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army. (2004:54). Today the Sri Lankan armed forces are overwhelmingly Sinhala.”

        Yes, Thivya, you’ve repeated this nonsense several times over. What you need to do is show us proof of this policy.

        ““If Mr. Rajapaksa had ‘nuts and guts’, he’d have stressed what percent of the 200,000 army personnel in 2009 were Sinhalese and what percent of the 42,000 “proper paramilitary force” (“the able bodied men”) were Sinhalese. By establishing a mono-ethnic army BY EDICT SINCE 1962, it was the Sri Lankan state that discriminated against the Tamils.”

        Can you link to this fictitious edict?

        ““Today [i.e., 1981] there isn’t even two or three percent of Tamil persons in the police and not even one percent of Tamils in the army. This has now become an army of occupation in the Tamil territories…”.”

        No one doubts the actual figures. Where you’re wrong is on the reasons. Coupling a truth with a lie won’t make the whole a truth.

        “Since Prof. Stanley Tambiah is a Sri Lankan Tamil, offthcuff is liberally venting his angst against him. If Prof. Tambiah of Harward Univesity is an Eelamist and his book is partial, like offthecuff is trying to portray here, I doubt the Canadian and American universities will use them as study material.”

        OTC has asked for reference to back up the argument, Thivya. Instead of presenting it, you’re detracting from it by whining about OTC’s reference to Tambiah’s ethnicity. Why not stop playing games and show us on what policy or edict this argument is based.

        “If he really thinks Prof. Brian Blodgett and Prof. Tambaiah were wrong in saying the Sri Lankan army is largely a mono Ethnic Sinhala army, he should factually challenge them because their books are still being used in universities.”

        No one here is saying that they are wrong that the SL military is majority Sinhalese. What we are saying is that they are wrong to say that this is the intent, and that intent is based on a policy of discrimination. You need to support that claim by evidence, and not on the unsupported theories of two intellectuals.

        “Many Sinhalese are trying to hide the obvious truth about the Mono Ethnic Sinhala nature of the Sri Lankan armed forces, as usual they are dragging the LTTE to justify all their crimes against the Tamils of Sri Lanka.”

        But it is you that has diverted this article on Tiger crimes against humanity into a debate on the makeup of the Armed Forces, in your continued attempt to justify the Tiger atrocities.

        “But there are enough articles and information on the net show that Prof. Brian Blodgett and Prof Tambaiah’s statements were right in saying “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army.””

        Can you link to any?

        “The policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted after the ” OPERATION HOLDFAST”: The attempted coup d’etat of Jan 1962. Here you can read about the coup of 1962. http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/1250

        But DBS Jeyaraj makes no such claim of a policy of recruiting only Sinhalese Buddhists. Most of the 1962 coup plotters were also Sinhalese.

        “Everyone knows there was no LTTE in 1962. All the Sinhalese are trying very hard to ‘prove’ the LTTE is the reason for the lack of minorities in the Sri Lankan armed forces. The policy of recruiting only the Sinhalese started long before the birth of the LTTE.”

        But where is the documentation of this policy? And how did so many Tamil, Muslim, and Burgher officers and men join the Armed Forces after 1962 if there was such a policy? You have conveniently avoided explaining how these non-Sinhalese non-Buddhist individuals managed to circumvent such a policy.

        “So it is not just dishonest but pure stupidity to say that the LTTE was the reason the Tamils did not join the army.”

        What IS dishonest is to make a claim that you cannot substantiate.

        “Did the LTTE stop the Sri Lankan army from recruiting the upcountry Tamils to the army? Please tell us the percentage of Muslims in the Sri Lankan army.”

        The percentage of Muslims in the SL Army is just under what is consistent with their national population percentage.

        “Did the LTTE also stop large number of Muslim youth from joining the army? Just like the Tamil paramilitaries, the Muslim home guards were a separate unit which the Sri Lankan army used to terrorize the Tamils, and divide the Tamils and Muslims in the East.”

        More ignorant nonsense. Home guards are recruited to protect local communities and are drawn from those communities. In Muslim areas where the Tigers and other separatists were practicing ethnic cleansing, Muslim home guards were necessary. There is no separate Muslim units :D It was the Tamil attacks on communities like Kattankudi that ensured the Tamil-speaking Moors never sided with the Tamils, because the latter persecuted them. If there was no persecution, the Moors would happily have joined the Tamil cause.

        “The LTTE was founded in 1975(defence.lk). According to the Sri Lanka population census of 1971, the Tamils were 20.48% of the total population. Can you prove that at least 20 percent of Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils any time within the past 40 years? I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that?”

        This has already been answered, Thivya. Why are you repeating the question? Are you illiterate as well as ignorant? Can you show us that the Tamil percentage in the military reflected Tamil population numbers prior to 1962, or prior to independence? If you cannot, then you cannot claim that it was discrimination that kept Tamils out of the military, since there was no discrimination prior to independence.

        I have also asked you to show us a documented instance of a Tamil being turned away from the military on the basis of ethnicity. You have been unable to :D

        “Yes, the LTTE was a racist mono-ethnic organization,”

        Why are you then justifying their crimes against humanity?

        “Thanks for equating the so called Terrorist organization LTTE and the Armed forces of the Terror state of Sri Lanka.”

        Where have I done so? :D

        “the LTTE was the Tamil’s answer for the state terror unleashed on them from the days of independence.”

        No, separatism was the answer. The Tigers usurped that cause and wiped out everyone else who was fighting for the Tamils. How is that consistent with being a national defense force? :)

      • Keynes!

        David,

        If your father was Tamil and your mother a Burgher, would you have then joined the army?

      • John

        thivya,
        Nayaks of Kandy
        (1) A succession crisis emerged upon Narendrasinha’s death in 1739. The king had one son – Unambuve Bandara – by a Sinhala consort. However, succession to the Kandyan throne was reserved exclusively for those of kshatriya ancestry on both their mother and father’s side, and Unambuve’s mother had been of a lower caste. With the support of the bhikku Weliwita Sarankara, the crown passed to the brother of one of Narendrasinha’s senior wives, a member of the Telugu-speaking Nayak house from southern India.[15] He was crowned Sri Vijaya Rajasinha later that year.
        (2) The Kandyan Convention was an agreement in 1815 between the British and the Chiefs of the Kandyan Kingdom, in Sri Lanka for the deposition of rule King Sri Vikrama Rajasinha. The king who was of Telugu ancestry faced powerful opposition from the Sinhalese chieftains who sought to reduce his power. A successful coup was organized by the Sinhala chieftains in which they accepted the British crown as their new king. This ended the line of the Kingdom of Kandy and King Rajasinha was taken as a prisoner. By 2 March 1815 the islands sovereignty was under that of the British Empire. This unique treaty was not signed by the deposed King but by members of his court and other dignitaries of the Kandyan Kingdom.Because the king was hiding from the British, later he was captured and banished to Velore in India. [1]
        (3) The Telugu people or Telugu Prajalu are a Dravidian ethnic group of India. They are the native speakers of the Telugu language, the third most commonly spoken language in India after Hindi and Bengali. They are mostly native to Andhra Pradesh, with significant populations in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Pondicherry, Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh and Orissa.[4] The Telugu constitute one of the largest ethnic groups in the world.
        ( all above are available on web )

        Dear, thivya, Aren’t those self explanatory ? What you attribute to Tamils in Kandyan Kingdom is totally wrong .

        Andra Pradesh was part of Tamilnadu in Indian Union up to 1970’s from 1947 , & Andra people separated from Tamils since they were not Tamils, spoke Telugu , the Nayakkar ruled their Kingdom from Madurai but they were Telugu speaking Dravidians not Tamils.
        Even if you take children born to those Telugu Kings’ consorts with Dravidian ( not Tamil) blood , how many those would have been born? 50? 100 ? 500 ?
        Kandyan Sinhalese constitute some 40 % of all Sinhalese ( refer last census of 1971 which divided Sinhala in to Kandyan & Non Kandyan)
        Today there are (estimated) over six (06) million Kandyan Sinhalese among us. So how can you say “Many Kandyan Sinhalese are half Tamils” Total rubbish. No Tamil blood at all.
        At least Dravidians?
        When you go through above no. (2) you would have understood the “Bad blood” between Kandyan Sinhalese & Telugu Kings, so how many of those Sinhala women would have common with Telugu’s, except some prostitutes? Need I say more ?.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Of course. What difference would that have made? It was more a case of geographic location rather than ethnicity. We almost moved to Jaffna in the late ’70s, and if I had grown up there, I most certainly would have joined one of the separatist groups. An uncle on my mother’s (Tamil) side was determined to join the Navy in the ’60s, and only failed to get in because of his poor eyesight. A Sinhalese uncle by marriage fought for the JVP in the ’71 insurrection. My grandfather and several of his brothers fought the Germans and Italians in North Africa in WW2. My family has never let ethnicity or causes get in the way of a good fight.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        Apparently outside of Sangam.org and the other separatist web sites you quote from, you are clueless about the original content that these websites report.

        This is the complete paragraph from Professor Blodgett’s book (page 61)

        Extract
        Retention, Recruitment, and Training

        In 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army and caused Tamils and other ethnic groups to believe they were viewed as “second-class citizens” who could not even be trusted to protect the country. No records involving retention or recruitment are available.
        End Extract

        The Authority quoted by Blodgett is “World Armies” by John Keegan page 651 published in 1979 (please refer to Blodgett’s book)

        Thivya, you are clueless, as you were parroting Sangam.org etc.

        World Armies page 651 has this to say

        Extract
        Recruitment is by voluntary enlistment; in practice the army is almost completely Sinhalese Buddhist, other communal groups not being accepted. Training of soldiers is carried out at the Army Training Centre, Diayatalawa. Officers, formally trained at the British, Indian and Pakistani Academies, are also trained at Diyatalawa.
        End extract

        The Authority for Blodgett, John Keegan, claims that the army is almost completely Sinhala Buddhist. Keegan excluded even the Sinhalese Christians and Blodgett, without thinking paraphrases Keegan </b

        This is an absolute falsehood even today

        The Army, is Multi Religious.
        Christians, Muslims and Hindus are to be found within it.
        The Navy, Air force and Police are no different.
        John Keegan erred very badly and Prof Blodgett has erred in using Keegan as an authority

        Your good Professor has lost his credibility Thivya.
        He did not know what he was writing about.

        If there was such a discriminating policy enacted in 1962, today, 50 years later, the SL Army should be COMPLETELY Buddhist. That it is not, is palpably clear.

        This is the type of despicable canards that the so called “Proud separatist Tamils” like you disseminate. It is these canards that create hatred and polarisation. People like you are responsible for ethnic strife. Quite something to be Proud of !

        The inability of those who quote Professor Blodgett to reference the Sri Lanka Gazette or Army orders is telling.

        Since you seem to believe Prof Blodgett, here is another extract from his book.

        The recorded history of Sri Lanka began with the arrival of Aryan colonists led by Prince Vijaya from northeast India in 504 BCE and the subjugation of the original aboriginal inhabitants, the Veddahs. Vijaya encouraged emigration from the India subcontinent and thus began the realm of the Sinhala – Vijaya’s patrimonial name. The Sinhala dynasty reigned over the northern part of the island for several centuries without any outside influence because the “Northern Indian empires of ancient times rarely extended to the southern extremity of the Indian peninsula.” In the 3rd century BCE, Emperor Ashoka sent his son, the Buddhist monk Mahindra, to Ceylon. The Sinhala king, and subsequently the people, converted to Buddhism. The next phase in Ceylon’s history began in the 3rd century A.D. when Hindu Tamils from southern India invaded the island. The Tamils gained control of the northern section of the island, forcing the Sinhalese Buddhists south. For the next 11 centuries, the Sinhalese and the Tamils struggled for control of the island. The Tamils defeated the Sinhalese most of the time and forced them southwards. By 1250, most Sinhalese lived in the southern part of the island. (pages 13 and 14)

        You wrote “The Tamil guardian already gave the link to the Prof. Brian Blodgett’s book.
        http://www.amazon.com/Sri-Lankas-Military-Search-Mission/dp/159330182 I could not get the actual pages.”

        If you could not read Blodgett, from where did your quote come from?
        A separatist web site?

        You say
        I note that you are comparing the Tamil Diaspora to the Jewish Diaspora.

        Did the Jews abandon their children?
        That is what you did.
        Worse, you allowed a Megalomaniac to fight a war using Tamil Children because the cowards ran away from the fight. Instead of helping those children you sent Munitions to the Megalomaniac so he could use the children to fill the Vacuum left by the adults who had no guts to fight but have the gab to brag.

        Were there any mass protests on the public roads of the west to help those kids? There was non and Prabhakaran continued to decimate at least 40,000 Tamil kids some as young as 9 years.

        A complete generation of Tamils were lost due to your insatiable separatist demands. And you are well on the road to losing another generation if you don’t stop sowing seeds of hate.

        You say “At least Prabhakaran made his off springs fight and die for the cause he believed in, but the Sinhala leaders sent their off springs to London and America in readymade scholarships while the sons and daughters of the Sinhala peasants were dying under our Palmyra trees. I think offthecuff should discuss that instead of analyzing whether the Tamil Diaspora is willing to fight or not.”

        There you go again. Glorifying that murderer Prabahkaran.
        I have no problem in discussing anything so go ahead, make your case.
        There is nothing to analyse. The larger Tamil Diaspora deserted their pet project, and left the fight for that elusive separate state of Thamil Eelam to 9 year old Tamil children.
        You must be very proud.

        You ask What does Iraq have to do with us Sri Lankan Tamils?”
        You wrote Some Sinhalese think since the Americans bombed some miserable country ….”

        So the claws that were kept in hiding has finally come out in the open.
        How did Iraq become “some miserable country”?
        Are the people who populated that miserable country beneath you on your Human scale?
        Were you not clamouring for Human Rights?
        Are the Jaffna Tamils more Human than the rest of the World?

        You say “If the Sinhalese have nothing to hide why are they afraid of an independent investigation?”

        Don’t be daft. You cannot investigate the Sinhalese any more than the Tamils can be investigated. But the SL Govt has nothing to hide as Her offer to be investigated has been gathering dust since it was made by Dr Dayan Jayatilake at the UNHCR a few years ago. If you doubt my word, check it out on the UN website.

        What is holding back the investigation is SL’s demand that the Principle of Equality before the Law be upheld. Apparently the prospective prosecutors are afraid of throwing what they have at SL because they realised, what they had was a Boomerang that they are unable to catch, when it returns to the thrower.

        You also say “…….. let justice prevail”

        Hopefully you are not parroting this time and you understand the Principles of Justice. Justitia wears a blindfold and holds the scales evenly. The Blindfold signifies that Justice does not respect cast, creed, rank, status etc Simply put, All are equal before the Law. The even scale signifies impartiality. Hope you now understand why SL cannot be singled out. BTW a person is not a Criminal, until proven guilty.

        You quoted the following from some guy ““If Mr. Rajapaksa had ‘nuts and guts’, he’d have stressed what percent of the 200,000 army personnel in 2009 were Sinhalese and what percent of the 42,000 “proper paramilitary force” (“the able bodied men”) were Sinhalese. By establishing a mono-ethnic army BY EDICT SINCE 1962, it was the Sri Lankan state that discriminated against the Tamils.”

        Sri Lanka does not practice Conscription to her Armed Forces. She depends on Voluntary enlistment to fill the Cadre of armed personnel. Hope you understand the difference. Hence Ethnic percentages of the population has no relevance unless the Cadre is fixed on such percentages. This has not been the case. The forces cannot recruit a Tamil who is otherwise qualified if no Tamil applies to join. This is the same for the Sinhalese, Muslims Burghers etc.

        However Proffessor Blodgett states

        Personnel
        Ethnically and religiously, the army’s officer corps did not match the country’s demographics. In 1956, the army’s officers were 50 percent Sinhalese, 20 percent Jaffna Tamils, and 20 percent Burghers, and 10 percent non-Burgher Europeans. Based on 1953 census (Sinhalese 80 percent, Jaffna Tamils 11 percent, and Burgers and Eurasians less than 1 percent), the Sinhalese were under-represented and Jaffna Tamils and Burghers overrepresented.

        Religiously, Christians composed 50 percent of the army, Buddhist 40 percent, and Hindus 10 percent. Based on the 1953 census (Christians 9 percent, Buddhists 64 percent, and Hindus 20 percent), Christians were over-represented and the other two religions under-represented. (Page 37)
        End extract

        You said “I know you can’t, so please prove at least just 10% of the Sri Lankan armed forces were Tamils before 1975? Can you do that? “

        Hmm the Jaffna Tamils have had such representation in the Officer Corps pre 1975 !!! quite revealing.

        You say “Since Prof. Stanley Tambiah is a Sri Lankan Tamil, offthcuff is liberally venting his angst against him. If Prof. Tambiah of Harward Univesity is an Eelamist and his book is partial, like offthecuff is trying to portray here, I doubt the Canadian and American universities will use them as study material. “

        I analysed a paragraph written by Prof Thambiyah whom you brought out as a reference. The words in that paragraph are not mine but the good Prof Thambaiyah’s. It reflects Thambaiyah’s thinking.

        You see Thivya, I am not writing to convince you but to convince the intelligent readers amongst the GV readership. So it is futile to run around the Mulberry Bush. Meet my arguments if you can. Prove that my analysis is wrong. You have done nothing to convince the reader that my analysis is wrong or illogical. However your hysterics prove that you are now floundering like a fish out of water.

        Prof Thambaiyah is undoubtedly a separatist with an Eelam agenda. Where he works is immaterial. If you have the ability, refer what I wrote to him, if you find it difficult to defend your own reference. He spins a yarn and nothing of substance.

        You say “The policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted after the ” OPERATION HOLDFAST”: The attempted coup d’etat of Jan 1962.”

        We know about the coup attempt.
        But don’t use it as a Red Herring.

        Vindicate yourself. Simply produce this elusive EDICT for all of us to see. Should not be difficult as it should have been published in the Govt Gazette or in Army Orders.

      • thivya

        //What you attribute to Tamils in Kandyan Kingdom is totally wrong . Even if you take children born to those Telugu Kings’ consorts with Dravidian ( not Tamil) blood , how many those would have been born? 50? 100 ? 500?//

        John,

        Your inherent hatred for Tamils does not allow you to admit there are Sinhalese with Tamil blooded ancestors. But you are OK with Telugu and other South Indians. That’s why I said, if that will make you feel better, I would rephrase that as ‘many Sinhalese with South Indian ancestors.’ :)

        Actually the Tamil blooded Tamil speaking Nayaka Dynasty of Madurai traces descent from the Tamil Pandiya kings and later the Vijayanagar Kingdom. The Nayakkars of Madurai were governors of provinces under the Vijayanagar emperors. With the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire, the Nayakkars of Madurai, like those of Tanjore, assumed independence.

        The Kandiyan Kings did not speak Telugu, they spoke Tamil and the Tamils held high positions in the Kandyan Kingdom. The language of the court was Tamil. Hence, even the high ranking Sinhalese officials in Kandy were fluent in Tamil. The presence of Hindu temples and the procession of the Hindu deities during festive seasons were the result of Tamil influence. Rani Rangammaal, the last queen of Sri Lanka never learned Sinhala. She spoke TAMIL ONLY.

        There are descendants of the Nayakar kings who still live in Tamil Nadu, they are Tamils not Telugu, for example the pro LTTE Tamil Nadu Politician Vaiko is from the Nayakar clan, and he would not like to hear that he is not a Tamil.

        According to Pathma Ethirisinghe in her article – The Concubines of the last Kings of Kandy- provided the names of the families who gave their daughters as concubines to the Tamil speaking, Nayaka Kings of Kandy and got land grants and other privileges.

        Those Kandiyan families are:

        Rambukwella and Alutgama families in Udu Dumbara.
        Amunugama and Halyale families in Patha Dumbara.
        Aludeniya, Mampitiya and Dunuvila families.
        Harispattuwa Moonerawila family in Matale.
        Unamboowa family from Udapalatha.

        http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lkawgw/conc.html

        Whether you like it or not, the fact is, the Tamil speaking Nayaka Kings and other officers have contributed to the gene pool of the descendants of those Sinhala concubines. I don’t know and I don’t care how many of them are out there. My point is there are many Kandiyan Sinhalese with South Indian (Tamil) ancestry.

        Did you know the so called ‘Sinhala Hero’ Keppitipola’s ancestors were full TAMILS. So how would you call the Kandiyan Sinahlese who are claiming to be the descendants of Kepittipola? Aren’t they partially Tamil blooded?

        ” The original Keppitipolas were FULL BLOODED TAMILS who came to the Island with some Malabar King presumably subsequent to 1739, when the Malabar dynasty was instituted and settled in Navagammuwa, near Rambukkana ” ( R. W. Ivers, Official Diary, Kegalla, 26-9-1881). ” In time they were considered aristocratic Sinhalese, having acquired the indigenous language, religion and customs.”

        http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-original-keppitipolas-were-full.html

        But the Kandiyan Kings were not directly from the Royal family of Madurai, Tamil Nadu. I posted an article in my blog here:

        http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-tamil-speaking-nayaka-kings-of.html

        Actually The Tamil speaking Nayaka Kings of Kandy were not from the real Royal Family of Madurai. The King of Madurai was enraged at the audacity of the Sinhala King who had dared to ask a female from the royal house of Tamil Nadu. He ordered the Sinhala envoys out of the city of Madurai. Then a destitute Hindu subject from the city of Madyurai accepted the gifts from the Kandyan envoys and to gave them to his daughter.

      • John

        thivya,
        //”hatred for Tamils does not allow you to admit there are Sinhalese with Tamil blooded ancestors. But you are OK with Telugu and other South Indians. That’s why I said, if that will make you feel better, I would rephrase that as ‘many Sinhalese with South Indian ancestors’”//

        Don’t change the topic or divert attention.

        Now you rephrase **‘many Sinhalese with South Indian ancestors’**,to satisfy me ?
        Soon better change it into ***few Kandyan aristocratic families with South Indian Telugu blood & some ancestors ”

        Change is always better after seeing the real facts / truth.

        How can it be “Many” when we have over Six (06) million Kandyan Sinahalese, if at least Two (02) million ouit of Six had those Telugu blood
        then we can say “Many”.

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear All,

        Ms Thivya has been quoting from Prof. Brian Blodgett’s book
        “Sri Lanka’s Military:The Search For A Mission”

        I came across the following observation by him, on Page 18 of his book


        Because of Britain’s “divide-and rule”policies, English authorities in Sri Lanka favored the Jaffna Tamils at the expense of the Sinhalese.
        After independence, this resulted in the Sinhalese wanting to restore their language and culture to “its rightful place of prominence and dominance.”

      • Anpu

        I am not claiming wikipedia is more accurate than Prof. Brian Blodgett’s book. But reporting what I found. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_Sri_Lanka British not only “favoured Tamils”, they favoured others as well. “..The British colonialists favoured the semi-European Burghers, certain high-caste Sinhalese and the Tamils who were mainly concentrated to the north of the country, exacerbating divisions and enmities which have survived ever since…”

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Anpu,

        Your Wiki extract “..The British colonialists favoured the semi-European Burghers, certain high-caste Sinhalese and the Tamils who were mainly concentrated to the north of the country, exacerbating divisions and enmities which have survived ever since…”

        If you cared to analyse the above you would have noticed the following

        “favoured the semi-European Burghers” means they favoured ALL of them.

        “ certain high-caste Sinhalese” means FEW Sinhalese high casts.

        “ and the Tamils who were mainly concentrated to the north of the country” means ALL the Tamils from the North

        As you see, it does not contradict Prof Blodgett’s assertion of because of “Britain’s “divide-and rule” policies, English authorities in Sri Lanka favored the Jaffna Tamils, at the expense of the Sinhalese. but reinforces it.

      • thivya

        OffTheCuff,
        //Vindicate yourself. Simply produce this elusive EDICT for all of us to see. Should not be difficult as it should have been published in the Govt Gazette or in Army Orders.//

        If the mighty UN were not able go to Vanni and collect evidence and speak to the Tamil victims, how could I – who left Sri Lanka as a teenager – be able to show the Edict mentioned by Mr. Amirthalingam, the onetime opposition leader of Sri Lanka. OTG knows that I won’t be able to get any Gazette or army order and he knows that the GOSL did not publish the Gazette orders on the Internet many decades ago.

        The Sinhalese think they are so smart and that they can spin and placard the issues by demanding to show actual evidence from the people who try to show the institutionalized Sinhala racism in Sri Lanka.

        This is exactly what they did with the UN experts. The GOSL refused to allow the UN officials or even the independent journalists to visit Vanni and speak to the Tamil victims. The UN experts used the evidence available to them from other sources and outside witnesses to prepare the report. Now the Sinhalese are saying the report is not right because the UN experts have never been to Sri Lanka, and are forgetting the fact that the GOSL did not allow them to visit Sri Lanka in the first place.

        //This is an absolute falsehood even today The Army, is Multi Religious.Christians, Muslims and Hindus are to be found within it.
        The Navy, Air force and Police are no different.//

        According to the Sinhala spin-doctors like OffTheCuff, the Sri Lankan army is not Sinhala and he may even be able to ‘logically prove’ that the Sri Lankan army is not a mono ethnic Sinhala army by using a few token Tamils in the Sri Lankan armed forces as his proof. But the Tamils who experienced and witnessed the Sinhala army’s atrocities, murders, mass graves, rapes, torture and humiliation will swear in any temple that the Sri Lankan armed forces are a mono Ethnic Sinhala army.

        Every Tamil in the occupied territories in the North East of Sri Lanka-who can’t even get out of their house without knocking down a Sinhala guy in uniform and tripping over a Buddha statue- can tell you that anyone who denys the fact that the Sri Lankan army is ethnically Sinhala only is the biggest liar. Remember the same simmering resentment and humiliation the Tamils experienced at the hands of the mono ethnic Sinhala military drove the peace loving Tamils to the LTTE.

        //If there was such a discriminating policy enacted in 1962, today, 50 years later, the SL Army should be COMPLETELY Buddhist. That it is not, is palpably clear.//

        It may not be completely Sinhala Buddhist now, but still a completely mono ethnic Sinhalese army with a NEGLIGIBLE number of minorities. The Canadian supreme court in its judgement of Naval Commodore (retd) Nadarajah Kuruparan’s Case, said they were only 5 Tamil Naval officers in Sri Lanka. There are more than 48,000 navy personnel and only five of them were Tamils, a truly National Sri Lankan Navy indeed. The hilarious part is the Sinhala spin-doctors like OTG want to say that it is proof of the multi ethnic nature of the Sri Lankan navy. :)

        http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/7695

        “Not all Sinhalese are evil. Neither is every Tamil a saint. But the fact remains that every soldier in the Sri Lankan army who fought the war against the LTTE during 2008-2009 was a Sinhalese.
        This background information is essential for any non-Tamil to understand how the Sri Lankan army can be so brutal against its own civilians.”

        (The Sri Lankan army is essentially Sinhalese and it has an inherent hatred for Tamils)
        http://www.theweekendleader.com/Causes/541/Gruesome-genocide.html

      • thivya

        //The Sinhala dynasty reigned over the northern part of the island for several centuries without any outside influence//

        This is not Prof. Blodgett’s fault. Just like every Sinhala, he also accepted the overzealous monk Mahanama’s fantasy tales of Mahavamsa as the true history of Sri Lanka. If accepting the Mahavamsa’s story at face value makes the learned Prof Blodget a clueless person, the entire Sinhala race who believes in the Mahavamsa is clueless as well.

        None of those kings of Sinhala Royal houses/Dynasties were pure blooded, they have Tamil blood connections. They could not survive without the marital and defence alliance with one of the three Tamil Royal houses in Tamil Nadu. The Sinhala Royal house maintained close blood connections with the Tamil Pandiya Royal house in order to fight the Tamil Cholas. Those ancient wars were not between Tamils and Sinhalese but they were quarrels between different Royal houses for the control of territory. Before the emergence of the Jaffna kingdom and Tamil Sinhala divide in the current context, the Tamil Pandiya blooded Sinhala royal houses and even kalinga Royal houses controlled the northern part of the island.

        //the “Northern Indian empires of ancient times rarely extended to the southern extremity of the Indian peninsula.//

        Prof. Blodget is absolutely right in this one. The Northern Indian empires even the mighty Asoka did not rule the Three Southern Tamil Kingdoms namely Chera, Chola , Pandiya Royal Houses of Tamils./
        Emperor Asoka NEVER ruled the Tamils and Tamil Kingdoms were never part of the Maurian Empire. Here is the map of Asoka’s empire.

        http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00maplinks/early/ashoka/ashoka.html

        http://www.pakistanpatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ashoka-empire.jpg

        //If you could not read Blodgett, from where did your quote come from?
        A separatist web site?//

        The pro Sinhala websites spew venom against Tamils and twist the history of Sri Lanka to deny the rightful place of Tamils in Sri Lanka. That’s why every Sinhala Buddhist chauvinist thinks every Tamil website also lies and twists like the Sinhala websites.

        //Were there any mass protests on the public roads of the west to help those kids? There was non and Prabhakaran continued to decimate at least 40,000 Tamil kids some as young as 9 years.//

        Look who is talking about child soldiers, a Sinhalaya who refused to support an independent international investigation to deliver justice to the Tamil children buried alive in the bunkers in Vanni. He is blabbering about Iraq, shedding crocodile tears for Tamil children, and he wants us Tamils to believe that he truly cares about them. What does the justice for the tamils in Vanni have to do with Iraq.

        Not only the LTTE, but even the Sri Lankan army was accused of using child soldiers by the UN and many other human rights organizations. I guess as long as the Sinhala army is not using Sinhala children OTG is ok with the Child soldiers. Did you protest or at least write even a single comment against the GOSL and the Sinhala army’s paramilitaries when they were using Tamil children as child soldiers?

        The Sinhalese badmouthed Madam Arbour and Alan Rock who mentioned the GOSL using the Tamil children as child soldiers, and accused them of being LTTE supporters . I don’t think any Sinhalaya has the locus standi to comment on Tamil Child soldiers. The people accused of using child soldiers are politicians, even in the ruling Sinhala party in Sri Lanka . If offthecuff is against Child soldiers he should be protesting in front of the Sri Lanka parliament not lamenting about the LTTE in this forum.

        Government authorized recruitment of child soldiers by paramilitary groups- Blake
        http://www.adaderana.lk/news.php?nid=11055

        http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2010/12/63005_space.html

        HRW slams Sri Lanka`s support for Karuna Group
        http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/srilanka0308web.pdf

        http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2007/3/13423.html

        US Limits Military Aid to Nations Using Child Soldiers
        Afghanistan, Chad, DRC, Sri Lanka, Sudan, and Uganda May be Affected
        http://www.hrw.org/news/2008/12/11/us-limits-military-aid-nations-using-child-soldiers

        Allan Rock shocks and rocks Sri Lanka
        http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/223

        Rights Group Says Sri Lanka Military Complicit in Use of Child Soldiers
        http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2007-01-24-voa32-66691042/558518.html

      • thivya

        //How did Iraq become “some miserable country”?
        Were you not clamouring for Human Rights??//
        OTG,

        Charity must begin at home. It is hilarious that you are not worried about the human rights of Tamil victims in Vanni- supposedly fellow citizens- but you are trying to stall the investingation by blabbering about Iraq. The Sinhalese think others are fools, and that they can make the war crime charges go away by talking about what the Americans did in Iraq. American atrocities against Iraqis cannot be used to justify or deny the international investigation of the killings of Tamils in Vanni. We don’t see any Iraqis protesting against the Americans and asking for justice, only the Sinhalese are blabbering about it.

        If Americans committed war crimes in Iraq, let the Iraqi people demand justice. The Tamils are demainding justice for themselves, and they want to know what happened in Vanni. The Tamils need to know what happened to their people during the war without witness. They need closure, and asking for justice is not a crime under any jurisdiction

        // You cannot investigate the Sinhalese any more than the Tamils can be investigated.//

        An independent International Tribunal should inquire about the war crimes committed by the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government. The Tamils are willing to support that initiative but you Sinhalese are afraid that the mass killings, rapes and mass graves will be revealed to the outside world.

        I dont think any Tamil except the quislings, are against an Independent international investigation of war crimes committed in Vanni by both the LTTE and the GOSL. It shows that the Tamils are willing to be subjected to an investigation but we can’t say the same thing about the Sinhalese or the GOSL. Instead of blabbering about the LTTE and the Tamil Diaspora, if the Sinhalese think they haven’t committed any war crimes, they should allow an International independent investigation to take place and tell the world the truth.

        Without doing that, crying about the LTTE and the Diaspora won’t make the war crimes charges go away. The Serbian people realized that and gave up defending the war criminals, remember they did not use Iraq, Afgahnistan or Vietnam as excuses to save the Serbian war crimials. We Tamils fervently hope the Sinhalese will come to their senses and realize that saving mother Lanka’s future as a one unified federal state where everyone feels at home without losing their language and cultural identity, is more important than saving a few war criminals.

      • thivya

        OTG,

        //But the SL Govt has nothing to hide as Her offer to be investigated has been gathering dust since it was made by Dr Dayan Jayatilake at the UNHCR a few years ago. If you doubt my word, check it out on the UN website. //

        No kidding, Dayan Jayatileke eh? There is a proverb in Tamil ‘veilikku Onaan saatsi’. Onaan is a kind of reptile that lives on fences, it needs the fence to survive and catch the insects. If anyone asks the Onaan to be a witness to the fence it lives on, it will obviously express what the fence wants to say. :)

        We the Tamils, the aggrieved party, will never accept any investigation done by the Sinhala regime, becuase the Tamils know how the sinhala justice system works. The accused criminals cannot act as judges anywhere in the world. Therefore any sort of war crimes investigation must be done by an international independent tribunal.

        Don’t get too comfy with your spinning or the slow pace of justice. War crimes have no statute of limitation. The war criminals of Bangladesh are still being pursued even after 40 years, the Jews are still hunting the Nazi war criminals, and the Tamils know that the innocent people who were massacred and raped by the Sinhala army deserve justice and we Tamils around the globe owe that to them.

        //There you go again. Glorifying that murderer Prabhakaran.//

        No Tamil worth the name of this proud race will ever forget the fact that Prabhakaran defended the Tamil homeland from the Sinhala aggression for more than 30 years. With all his faults he stood up against Sinhala racism and internationalized the Tamil struggle for self determination, peace and dignity in the Eelam Tamil Homeland.

        Every self respecting Tamil, even the ones who opposed his armed struggle and who were against some of his decisions would appreciate the fact that when he was alive none of the Sinhalese dared to colonize the historic Tamil homeland, the Sinhala monks never even imagined to desecrate the Tamil’s Temples and churches, they never planted Buddha statues under every Pipal tree in the North East to encroach the land of Tamil’s Temples and churches, the racist Sinhala Chauvinists did not dare to twist the history and artefacts of our forefathers, Tamil Eelam never had Sinhala- only name boards or 40,000 Sinhalese in uniform occupying our homeland and abusing Tamil mothers and Sisters, the Tamil fishermen were not pushed out of their own sea where they have been fishing for generations to make way for Sinhala fishermen from the Sinhala South, no one dared to uproot the Tamils from their homes and villages and settle the Sinhalese in them, no Sinhalese who lived in a rented house in Jaffna had the nerve to come out and make a land claim in Jaffna- the heart land of Eelam Tamils, and above all none of the Sinhalese had the audacity to open shops around the Nallur Temple.

        “The flame, Prabakaran lit among the Tamils, might not have been fulfilled in the form that he did envision, but it has set the Tamils across the continents in flame, to not simply survive but to thrive abundantly as a people with an ancient language, heritage and culture.”

        ‘All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered the point is to discover them.’ — Galileo Galilei ”

        There is no point in me arguig on and on with you. This is my last reply in this topic.

        Goood Bye….

        • http://www.groundviews.org Groundviews

          Perhaps the art of engagement is not to say goodbye, but to agree to disagree? How boring it would be if we all were to think alike. The elevated tone and commentary you bring to the forum and debate is truly welcomed, and we hope that you remain engaged in the discussions.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        “But the fact remains that every soldier in the Sri Lankan army who fought the war against the LTTE during 2008-2009 was a Sinhalese.”

        This is a barefaced lie. Perhaps this is the “elevated tone and commentary” that Groundviews desires, but perhaps it can be explained how exactly useful bullshit is.

      • Keynes!

        I second that.

      • Burning Issue

        Dear David,

        Apologies for a belated response

        “Others are free to form their own opinion. My response was to Thivya’s assertion that since I am not neural, I have no right to speak. I was just pointing out the ludicrousness of such claims.”

        I do not doubt your sincere desire to see the Tamil grievances resolved. However, I have great deal of doubt as to your perception and cluelessness of its fulfilment! I have no issues about your unrelated support for the MR regime when it was fighting the LTTE. You do not seem to separate the war strategies from peace strategies. MR regime is not interested in finding a viable solution to the ethnic divide that you desire; subjugation is the only solution is on offer. Thivya’s response to non-Tamil massacres is to counter with Tamil massacres allegedly carried out by the GOSL and its cronies. My beef with you is to do with the disparity that you espouse with mass killings and massacres. You seem to completely eschew that deliberate killings did not take place during the last stages of the war. You jettison any talk about the no-fire zones and deliberate firing; you completely white wash crimes against humanity allegedly committed by the MR regime but at the same time promote alleged deliberate killings committed by the LTTE. You do not support any form investigations! Investigations of such events not only establish near facts but also act as self-examination. The victims must be allowed to move on knowing that a form of closure has occurred.

        “Then I am sure you must be for fairness and good governance throughout the democratic world. It can hardly be fair to apply selective justice in SL while ignoring far greater bloodshed and injustice in the very seats of democracy and good governance.”

        Your ostensible stance on a viable investigation is manifestly obvious; I am sure that you borrowed this piece from the materials that the Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinists devised! The UN was formed after the Second World War; it is the only institution there is to police the world; it has made great strides at times but also some setbacks. Since its inception, I would say, what the Americans did in Vietnam went unpunished. This is not an excuse for other regimes to avoid scrutiny. MR Regime carried out serious assault on the civilian concentrated areas with heavy artillery with no independent observation. There is ample evidence exist in the form of satellite images, eye witnesses, the NGO sources that an investigation can uncover. This is why the likes of you are not keen on such a probe!

        “You have brought up the necessity for an investigation on the basis of reconciliation before. And I have questioned you as to how the former will bring about the latter when the side being investigated sees such an action as an unfair and unjust one. Perhaps you could try again to explain this more satisfactorily than the last time.”

        Dear David, of course the MR regime will cry foul, call it bulling and so on. This is why there is a mechanism in the form of the UN to deal with such situations. First, you need to separate the MR regime from the country, Sri Lanka. Regimes come and go but the country remains. It is the regime that is under scrutiny and not the country.

        “Accountability is always basis of any such fact-finding report. It doesn’t mean therefore that because the resolution calls for accountability that it is based on the Darusman Report. The LLRC also calls for accountability.”

        We will agree to differ on this; only time will tell.

        “If the GoSL fails to implement the LLRC to the satisfaction of your so-called international standards, a fresh UN report will probably be called for based on the current situation, and any possible investigation will be based on that report.”

        I agree that other reports may supersede but I would not agree that the Drusman Report will not provide foundations for new reports.

        “The Rwandan genocide was quite clearly a genocide, and it still took ten years. Even the most vengeful reader of the Darusman Report will find it hard to find any credible evidence of genocide or other crimes against humanity committed by the GoSL.”

        Rwandan genocide had witnesses and there was no complete censorship like the MR regime imposed. Nonetheless, in the case of Sri Lanka, there are ample recordings and images along with eye witnesses attesting to unspeakable events. The Darusman Report called for an investigation that you and your ilk are hell bent on stopping; thus far you have succeeded. You will never know what the future governments of Sri Lanka would do. Example, Serbia!

        “Well if he couldn’t qualify the number, he shouldn’t have made the claim.”

        It is called an estimation David; he was well qualified to make such an estimation after having been involved in the UN operations within the areas that matter!

        “You have to find sufficient evidence to make it probable that a crime has been committed, THEN you get your investigation. As I’ve said before, it’s like a cop applying to a judge for a search warrant; he has to show sufficient suspicion of a crime. He can’t say, “Oh gimme the warrant anyway.” Frankly, the judges haven’t been convinced, and it’s quite lame to pull out the geo-political card every time a call for an investigation is shot down.”

        Interesting analogy! No amount of evidence will suffice for you to willingly agree for an investigation. This is a different position to that of investigate other alleged crimes first rhetoric! One way or the other, you will block any progress on any possible investigation but I can tell you categorically that this issue cannot be hidden under a carpet. I am afraid, it will remain as a thorn until the geo-politics alter, and there is willingness on countries like China and Russia to agree.

        “The call for investigations are being called for most loudly by a segment of people who have nothing but vindictiveness and vengeance on their minds. It’s like someone who hates you calling for you to be investigated publicly on rape and murder, calling for your home to be invaded and searched just to see if they find some bodies. You are under no obligation to cooperate with such foolishness.”

        It is foolishness to you, but it is certainly not to those who perished, nor to those who witnessed their loved ones blown to pieces; nor to those who trusted their government and went into the no-fire zones believing that they would be safe! It is definitely not foolishness to those who made their lives dedicating to safeguarding alleviating human sufferings. It is certainly not foolishness to me who would like to see a meaningful reconciliation on the basis of trust and nationhood. If you believe that Vengeance is the only reason behind calls for reconciliation, I sincerely feel sorry for you.

        “You are assuming that any such investigation will be conclusive, and that all sides will be satisfied with the conclusion. Surely you can’t be that naive?”

        If I am naïve so are those who formed these meaningless world bodies! In a court of Law, the judgement is upheld; it is not about satisfying the parties involved; it is about established facts and moving forward.

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Thivya,

        Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad

        you say “If the mighty UN were not able go to Vanni and collect evidence and speak to the Tamil victims, how could I – who left Sri Lanka as a teenager – be able to show the Edict mentioned by Mr. Amirthalingam, the onetime opposition leader of Sri Lanka. OTG knows that I won’t be able to get any Gazette or army order and he knows that the GOSL did not publish the Gazette orders on the Internet many decades ago. The Sinhalese think they are so smart and that they can spin and placard the issues by demanding to show actual evidence from the people who try to show the institutionalized Sinhala racism in Sri Lanka. This is exactly what they did with the UN experts. The GOSL refused to allow the UN officials or even the independent journalists to visit Vanni and speak to the Tamil victims. The UN experts used the evidence available to them from other sources and outside witnesses to prepare the report. Now the Sinhalese are saying the report is not right because the UN experts have never been to Sri Lanka, and are forgetting the fact that the GOSL did not allow them to visit Sri Lanka in the first place.

        All that blabbering was just to admit that you were Lying from the word go Thivya?

        Amirthalingam was the Leader of ITAK and the TULF. He was also a Lawyer by profession. Lawyers know that they can’t make statements without proof. Hence unless Amirthalingam was a Complete Imbecile he won’t make those statements without proof. The proof that Sangam.org, your primary source, should have had access to, if it was the truth. Was he an Imbecile Thivya?

        Provide the Evidence. Give us the Reference number of the Gazette or Army Orders. We can verify the truth without the Internet.

        I know you can’t do it because it does not exist. It is just a figment of your imagination and that of sangam.org

        You say “According to the Sinhala spin-doctors like OffTheCuff, the Sri Lankan army is not Sinhala and he may even be able to ‘logically prove’ that the Sri Lankan army is not a mono ethnic Sinhala army by using a few token Tamils in the Sri Lankan armed forces as his proof. But the Tamils who experienced and witnessed the Sinhala army’s atrocities, murders, mass graves, rapes, torture and humiliation will swear in any temple that the Sri Lankan armed forces are a mono Ethnic Sinhala army. Every Tamil in the occupied territories in the North East of Sri Lanka-who can’t even get out of their house without knocking down a Sinhala guy in uniform and tripping over a Buddha statue- can tell you that anyone who denys the fact that the Sri Lankan army is ethnically Sinhala only is the biggest liar. Remember the same simmering resentment and humiliation the Tamils experienced at the hands of the mono ethnic Sinhala military drove the peace loving Tamils to the LTTE.”

        Can’t blame you for what you write as God has decided what He should do. ha ha

        On your own admission you left Lanka when you were a Teenager yet you have been tripping on statues an knocking down Sinhala soldiers! Ha ha ha, another flew over the Cuckoo’s nest.

        Well Thivya I thank you for bringing up Prof Brian Blodgett. Because of you, I now possess his book.

        Read carefully the following, I hope you can still do so, despite God.

        The Authority for Blodgetts statement is the following statement by John Keegan in page 651 of his book, “World Armies”
        Extract
        Recruitment is by voluntary enlistment; in practice the army is almost completely Sinhalese Buddhist, other communal groups not being accepted. Training of soldiers is carried out at the Army Training Centre, Diayatalawa. Officers, formally trained at the British, Indian and Pakistani Academies, are also trained at Diyatalawa.
        End extract

        Note that Keegan says that the Army is not just Sinhalese but specifically Sinhalese Buddhists

        This excludes Sinhalese who are Christians, from the Army.

        This of course is False even today even if we ignore his false statement about other communal groups.
        Hence Keegan’s statement fails
        Consequently, Blodgett’s statement also fails.

        Secondly, your purported “Edict” is 50 years old.
        If John Keegan was correct, then today, fifty years later, the Army should have ONLY Buddhists within it. This again is a complete falsehood and can be easily verified.

        You have been trying to Stir the Ethnic Pot Thivya

        You say “It may not be completely Sinhala Buddhist now, but still a completely mono ethnic Sinhalese army with a NEGLIGIBLE number of minorities.”

        Question: How can even this NEGLIGIBLE number of minorities exist, fifty years after the Army is supposed to have started recruiting ONLY Sinhala Buddhists?

        Does the Army have any Sinhala Christians today?

        You say “The Canadian supreme court in its judgement of Naval Commodore (retd) Nadarajah Kuruparan’s Case, said they were only 5 Tamil Naval officers in Sri Lanka. There are more than 48,000 navy personnel and only five of them were Tamils, a truly National Sri Lankan Navy indeed. The hilarious part is the Sinhala spin-doctors like OTG want to say that it is proof of the multi ethnic nature of the Sri Lankan navy”

        Read what I have emphasised. Hope God wont stand in your way ha ha.

        I do not know how it is in Canada.
        But in Lanka, there are less officers than the other Ranks!
        Your type of writing is good enough to fool like minded people whose ability to reason, has been robed by God! But you cannot compare apples with oranges. How many Tamils applied to join the Navy Thivya? Sri Lanka does not conscript.

        You say “….. But the fact remains that every soldier in the Sri Lankan army who fought the war against the LTTE during 2008-2009 was a Sinhalese.”

        Unfortunately it is not a fact.
        A Fact is a truth but that is foreign to you.
        Remember the Deep Penetration Unit of the SLA?
        You were accusing it of many things in the past.

        Captain Nilam a Muslim, Was the leader of the Deep penetration unit that targeted and killed the Head of the LTTE air wing Colonel Shankar, Senior sea tiger commander Lt. Col. Gangai Amaran, Batticaloa District Intelligence Head Lt. Col. Nizam, LTTE Batticaloa-Ampara Communications Chief Major Mano and artillery specialist Major Sathiyaseelan.

        It also targeted Tamilselvan, Col. Karuna, Col. Jeyam and Col. Balraj and Velupillai Prabhakaran.

        The military believed that the targeting of high profile LTTE leadership by the LRRP was a prominent factor in prompting the LTTE to agree for negotiations.

        The Minority Muslims played a very decisive role within this purported “completely mono ethnic Sinhalese Army” to defeat the LTTE.

        The General Secretary of All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama Ash-Shaikh H. Abdul Nazar stated the following

        Quote
        “Muslims of our country have also contributed their fair share towards the fight against terrorism. Major Ahamad Naina Marikkar and Captain Lafir who sacrificed their lives at Omanthai and Mullaittivu are examples of many others”
        Unquote

        Who was the Second in Command in Jaffna when SF, the Former Army Commander, was serving in Jaffna? Major General Rathnasabapathy an Ethnic Tamil.

        The fact of the matter is, like Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels you think repeating lies as often as possible will convert them to truth.

        You say “This is not Prof. Blodgett’s fault. Just like every Sinhala, he also accepted the overzealous monk Mahanama’s fantasy tales of Mahavamsa as the true history of Sri Lanka. “

        He was your reference.
        And now you are admitting that the good professor was overzealous?
        Finally some sense. Yes he was overzealous when he went overboard with John Keegan and thought the SL Army was recruiting only Sinhala Buddhists.

        You say “None of those kings of Sinhala Royal houses/Dynasties were pure blooded, …. “

        Why this repeated rubbish about “Pure Blood”
        Are you Pure Blooded Thivya?
        How far into the past can you trace your ethnicity?
        Can you be certain that no woman in that line cheated her husband?

        You see Thivya, Paternity could not be established for certain, until DNA profiling was developed.
        Hence before 1980s you could not even be sure who your father was.
        Only the mother knew for certain.

        According to a genetic admixture study by Dr. Gautam K. Kshatriya in 1995, the Sri Lankan Tamil are closely related to the Sinhalese and to a lesser extent, Bengalis and Indian Tamils. Kshatriya found the Sri Lankan Tamils to have a greater contribution from the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka (55.20% +/- 9.47) than Indian Tamils (16.63% +/- 8.73).

        What is Pure Thivya?

        You say “Look who is talking about child soldiers, a Sinhalaya who refused to support an independent international investigation to deliver justice to the Tamil children buried alive in the bunkers in Vanni. He is blabbering about Iraq, shedding crocodile tears for Tamil children, and he wants us Tamils to believe that he truly cares about them. What does the justice for the tamils in Vanni have to do with Iraq”

        You don’t have to look too far but Javier Aguilar is not Sinhalese. He is with UNICEF listen well from minute 3:26 onwards (from the BBC Hard talk program) says 8000 children were saved (some as young as 9 years). He says that number is just the tip of the iceberg. During the last 6 months LTTE forced at least 200 children a month.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gXbFPoDWSI

        You deserted that fight and the LTTE had to fill that vacuum with Children. Tamil Children.

        Cowards do not count in battle; they are there, but not in it.

        If you failed to do Justice to the Living no point in trying to do it to the dead.

        In reality you are trying to sell the dead for your own purposes.
        You should have thought about Justice when you were doing death Fasts while eating Fast food. When you were blocking Canadian Roads waving Terrorist flags. When you were trying to save the Murderer Prabahkaran. When you were educating your children and condemning the Vanni Tamil Children to death. Since I am a Sinhalese, you can always claim I did not care but the important question is, Did You Care?

        Not by a long shot you did not. You cared more about that elusive Eelam and Naught about the Tamil children or the Tamil Civilians. You were just like Prabahkaran, Eelam was more important, than the Living.

        You say “Charity must begin at home. It is hilarious that you are not worried about the human rights of Tamil victims in Vanni- supposedly fellow citizens- but you are trying to stall the investingation by blabbering about Iraq”

        Of course for you Charity began at Home. That’s why you were keeping your children in Luxury and Educating them while those in the Vanni were condemned to death and ignorance!

        Continue viewing the Hardtalk video and listen to what the Tamil girl interviewed at the end has to say, despite the leading questions put to her by the BBC. She wants to be Educated. The Education that people like you robbed from her and put a gun in her hand while yours had a pen in their hands

        If you are talking of Human rights you can’t be selective. You are selective because for you, a Tamil Life is FAR SUPERIOR to the rest of the world. You proved it by calling Iraq a miserable country in your anger.

        You say “No kidding, Dayan Jayatileke eh? There is a proverb in Tamil ‘veilikku Onaan saatsi’. Onaan is a kind of reptile that lives on fences, it needs the fence to survive and catch the insects. If anyone asks the Onaan to be a witness to the fence it lives on, it will obviously express what the fence wants to say.

        We the Tamils, the aggrieved party, will never accept any investigation done by the Sinhala regime, ….

        Hope God will have mercy and allow you to be sane for at least some time more! Ha ha ha.

        The offer was not for an investigation by Sri Lanka!
        What’s the matter? Can’t read?

        You say “………. and we Tamils around the globe owe that to them.”

        You cannot ever hope to repay what you did to them.
        You kept them as sand bags between Prabha and the SLA.

        You say “No Tamil worth the name of this proud race will ever forget the fact that Prabhakaran defended the Tamil homeland from the Sinhala aggression for more than 30 years. With all his faults he stood up against Sinhala racism and internationalized the Tamil struggle for self determination, peace and dignity in the Eelam Tamil Homeland”

        Pride goes before a fall
        You failed to prove your Tamil Homeland the last time you tried.
        Eelam became a day dream for the cowards who left and a nightmare for the people who were used.

        You say “40,000 Sinhalese in uniform occupying our homeland and abusing Tamil mothers and Sisters,…… “

        What was the population increase? Must have been considerable!

        You say “There is no point in me arguig on and on with you. This is my last reply in this topic”

        What else can you do, when your Lies and Perfidy have been exposed?

      • Keynes!

        John,

        //Bad blood” between Kandyan Sinhalese & Telugu Kings//

        There was bad blood between the Kandyan aristocracy and Sri Wickrema Rajasinghe. However, the Nayakkar kings were seen as indigenous and well-loved by the people of Kandy.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        “I do not doubt your sincere desire to see the Tamil grievances resolved. However, I have great deal of doubt as to your perception and cluelessness of its fulfilment!”

        You have doubts about my cluelessness? That’s a relief.

        “I have no issues about your unrelated support for the MR regime when it was fighting the LTTE. You do not seem to separate the war strategies from peace strategies. MR regime is not interested in finding a viable solution to the ethnic divide that you desire; subjugation is the only solution is on offer.”

        But that is not what this discussion is about; it is a discussion about a particularly atrocious incident in our military history. I responded because of Thivya’s attempt to justify such atrocities.

        “My beef with you is to do with the disparity that you espouse with mass killings and massacres. You seem to completely eschew that deliberate killings did not take place during the last stages of the war.”

        I maintain that deliberate killing of civilians did not take place on a scale that would indicate crimes against humanity. I am ready to be proven wrong. I have no doubt some civilians were deliberately killed, as they have been in all wars.

        “You jettison any talk about the no-fire zones and deliberate firing;”

        I ask for evidence on deliberate firing on civilians, and have pointed out that firing into the NFZs is not a war crime. Again, on the latter, I am happy to be proven wrong if you can.

        “you completely white wash crimes against humanity allegedly committed by the MR regime but at the same time promote alleged deliberate killings committed by the LTTE.”

        I urge you to quote me ever having either whitewashed or promoted any crime against humanity. I also urge you to prove any such crime against humanity was indeed committed by the SL military.

        “You do not support any form investigations! Investigations of such events not only establish near facts but also act as self-examination. The victims must be allowed to move on knowing that a form of closure has occurred.”

        I have pointed out in detail why such an investigation will not provide either incontrovertible facts or the closure you speak of; and I have asked you to explain how such can happen given the points I have raised. You haven’t bothered to respond.

        “Your ostensible stance on a viable investigation is manifestly obvious; I am sure that you borrowed this piece from the materials that the Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinists devised!”

        Your confidence is admirable but misplaced.

        “The UN was formed after the Second World War; it is the only institution there is to police the world; it has made great strides at times but also some setbacks. Since its inception, I would say, what the Americans did in Vietnam went unpunished. This is not an excuse for other regimes to avoid scrutiny.”

        It cannot police the world as long as it has permanent members of the Security Council who decide who will be policed according to their own political agendas. If you prefer to ignore Vietnam as old hat, why is it that the ongoing war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, etc are not being scrutinized and punished? There cannot be two laws for two member states. That is not justice.

        “MR Regime carried out serious assault on the civilian concentrated areas with heavy artillery with no independent observation.”

        Independent observers are not a requirement under any law; and to therefore suggest that a lack of said observers indicate criminal action is a fallacy.

        “There is ample evidence exist in the form of satellite images, eye witnesses, the NGO sources that an investigation can uncover. This is why the likes of you are not keen on such a probe!”

        If you read this — http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/2064/ — you will see how the satellite images, eye witnesses, and NGO sources do not prove anything, and yet are accepted by one side but not the other.

        “Dear David, of course the MR regime will cry foul, call it bulling and so on. This is why there is a mechanism in the form of the UN to deal with such situations. First, you need to separate the MR regime from the country, Sri Lanka. Regimes come and go but the country remains. It is the regime that is under scrutiny and not the country.”

        I am not talking about the regime, but about the population, the vast majority of whom do not think that their military committed anything punishable. Regimes may come and go, but we’re talking about the military, not the regime. We’re talking about a population that believes it did the right thing. You cannot separate a popular regime from the people. That is undemocratic. You must wait ’til the people decide for themselves.

        “I agree that other reports may supersede but I would not agree that the Drusman Report will not provide foundations for new reports.”

        How can it? Reports must reflect the ground realities of the time, particularly in the case of accountability and reconciliation, not a unaccepted report several years old.

        “Rwandan genocide had witnesses and there was no complete censorship like the MR regime imposed.”

        As I already said, a lack of a witness doesn’t indicate a crime. A witness is sought only if an action is deemed criminal, or if a witness can indicate an action to be criminal.

        “Nonetheless, in the case of Sri Lanka, there are ample recordings and images along with eye witnesses attesting to unspeakable events.”

        As shown to you via the link I have provided, there is no such recording, image, or credible eyewitness to attest to any such event you describe. I challenge you to read the article and raise any points you think you can prove.

        “The Darusman Report called for an investigation that you and your ilk are hell bent on stopping; thus far you have succeeded. You will never know what the future governments of Sri Lanka would do. Example, Serbia!”

        That is up to the future governments — and their constituents — to decide; not the diaspora or the UN. If the GoSL is willing — and its constituents agree — that their should be investigations, either local or international, so be it. For now, the people of SL, and the administration it has elected, are against it, and that is our right.

        “It is called an estimation David; he was well qualified to make such an estimation after having been involved in the UN operations within the areas that matter!”

        It’s also called a guess; and if he was so qualified, why did he withdraw this “estimation”?

        “Interesting analogy! No amount of evidence will suffice for you to willingly agree for an investigation.”

        It doesn’t matter if we agree or not. We are not the judges. The UNHRC and the UNSC are the judges. They must be convinced that there is sufficient suspicion, and so far they haven’t been.

        “I am afraid, it will remain as a thorn until the geo-politics alter, and there is willingness on countries like China and Russia to agree.”

        Or until the diaspora gives up. If and when that happens, we will see. Until then,it is pointless speculation.

        “It is foolishness to you, but it is certainly not to those who perished, nor to those who witnessed their loved ones blown to pieces;”

        It is tragic indeed to witness such a thing, and many from both sides have unfortunately undergone this trauma in thirty years of war. However, that doesn’t mean that that tragedy or trauma can be assuaged by unjustly punishing someone innocent of a crime. Blown up loved ones are a sad result of war, and that is why you must not opt for war when peace is offered. I’m pretty sure if the blown up loved ones were not Tamil, there would be far less eagerness for closure, reconciliation and justice from the diaspora that funded the Tiger aggression.

        “nor to those who trusted their government and went into the no-fire zones believing that they would be safe!”

        They would indeed have been safe if their Sole representatives and Protectors® had not intentionally endangered them by conducting military action from within those NFZs and in close proximity to the civilians.In fact, they would have been far safe if those self same Defenders of the Tamil People® had not rejected the UNP’s peace offerings, boosted MR into Temple Trees, and dragged this country kicking and screaming back to war. All the while with the diaspora cheering on.

        “It is definitely not foolishness to those who made their lives dedicating to safeguarding alleviating human sufferings.”

        How will an investigation into the war safeguard human suffering? Why didn’t these Guardians of Human Suffering® not intervene when the Freedom Fighters of the Tamil Nation® were slaughtering civilians throughout the country? Why so eager after the party?

        “It is certainly not foolishness to me who would like to see a meaningful reconciliation on the basis of trust and nationhood. If you believe that Vengeance is the only reason behind calls for reconciliation, I sincerely feel sorry for you.”

        Well the best way to prove the soundness of your theory is to begin by explaining how an investigation will bring about reconciliation and trust. I have asked repeatedly, but you don’t explain.

        “If I am naïve so are those who formed these meaningless world bodies! In a court of Law, the judgement is upheld; it is not about satisfying the parties involved; it is about established facts and moving forward.”

        They are meaningless if reconciliation is the goal. Isn’t that your avowed objective? Has there been reconciliation in Yugoslavia? Talk to an average Serb and he will tell you that they suffered just as much as the other ethnic groups, and that they feel unjustly victimized by the Hague. Where’s your vaunted reconciliation?

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,

        The Darusman Report states that the LTTE recruited Tamil Children as young as 14 years.

        UNICEF states that they recruited Tamil Children as young as 9 years.
        The UTHR(J) gave the youngest recruit as 9 years long before UNICEF

        The above shows the quality of information the Darusman report was based on. All documents pertaining to the report are marked secret and is inaccessible for 20 years. Hence we will never know what other rubbish the Darusman panel used to produce it’s report.

        You say “Your ostensible stance on a viable investigation is manifestly obvious; I am sure that you borrowed this piece from the materials that the Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinists devised!”

        You are trying to shoot the messengers by name calling instead of countering what they said with a factual and logical argument. Is it because you have no argument to offer?

        Iraq was a war sanctioned by the UN.
        The UN was deceived by doctored evidence of the possession of WMD by Sadam Husein.

        WMD could not be found anywhere in Iraq to date.
        Now why is it that you are faulting David and others (including me) who question the Partiality of the UN in refusing to investigate an atrocity that is a thousand times greater than the war in Sri Lanka? Is it because no Tamils died in Iraq?

        The UN security council was deceived by doctored satellite imagery submitted by the USA. Keep that in mind when you try to use it as evidence.

        America and the allies fires thousands of Cruise missiles and smart bombs at Iraq, deprives the Iraqi’s of water, deprives them of access to Hospitals, rapes, burns, tortures civilians and yet you cannot ask for an investigation?

        Sri Lanka never refused to be investigated.
        What it refused is to be Singled out.
        Why can’t you recognise this fact?

        Has any member of the Allied forces in Iraq, gone before the ICJ, for proven cases of Raping Minors in the presence of parents and later killing and burning them?

        The call should be for impartiality in investigations of HR violation and War crimes. Where it happened should not come into the equation.

        Ask for Justice, not the pound of flesh.

    • John

      How ever much some writers try to white wash LTTE from Muslim massacre in East, a few months after these Muslim massacres & after India took ‘U’ turn with the assassination of Shri Rajiv Gandhi, it was Western Christian fundamentalist NGOs which became godfathers of LTTE terrorism, with finance, moral, political, logistic support lasting for next 02 decades until May 2009.
      Further, it was reported by press, quoting witnesses at presidential commission of inquiry appointed by President Premadasa on Israel involvement in SL, that LTTE too were trained alongside SL Army in the same area in Israel, of unknown to each other & the ‘Jonny Batta’ or anti personal mine of LTTE was a gift from Israel to LTTE. All these had happened after 1990.

      Aren’t those convincing, at least remotely, as to who killed Muslims in East ?

      • Keynes!

        John,

        Please provide names of western ngos that provided financial support to the LTTE.

      • John

        Keynes!
        names of western ngos that provided financial support to the LTTE.?

        There had been over 400 US/Western NGO s providing logistical, military,
        financial support, including submarine & aircraft technology to LTTE , in LTTE held areas (Vanni) for more than 14 years, according to SL military communique after the end of war.

      • Keynes!

        John,

        Thanks very much for the brilliant answer. Was the Marga Institute on that list?

    • thivya

      ///On your own admission you left Lanka when you were a Teenager yet you have been tripping on statues an knocking down Sinhala soldiers! Ha ha ha, another flew over the Cuckoo’s nest.///

      OTC,

      Pardon my language but I think this is the most retarded statement I have ever seen in this forum. Do you really think the Tamil Diaspora does not know what is going on in their homeland? Even with a total ban of Journalists, evacuation of UN workers and every foreigner- without internet and telephones- during the ‘war without witness in Vanni’, the Diaspora Tamils and the outside world found out what was going on in the war zone. It is so stupid to think we don’t know what is happening in our homeland and how our kith and kin feel.

      Some Sinhalese have a problem understanding the fact that the Tamil Diaspora is not alien to the Tamils in Sri Lanka. They are the sons, daughter, brothers and sisters of the Tamils in Sri Lanka. Therefore the Sinhalese must learn to accept the fact that the Tamil Diaspora will always have control over what is happening in our homeland through their families.

      //You say “The Canadian supreme court in its judgement of Naval Commodore (retd) Nadarajah Kuruparan’s Case, said they were only 5 Tamil Naval officers in Sri Lanka. There are more than 48,000 navy personnel and only five of them were Tamils,//

      Please tell us what the percentage of Tamils in the Navy is. “Sri Lanka does not conscript” but prefer to recruit only the ethnic Sinhalese for the armed forces, right?

      If you are so certain the Sri Lankan armed forces are not Mono Ethnic but represent the ethnic makeup of the country, please challenge the following websites and New Magazines for ruining the good name of the Sri Lankan armed forces. :)

      The funny part is even the Asian Tribune,” a notorious echo chamber of the Rajapaksa brothers reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda on behalf of the Third Reich, “is saying:

      “Currently, ONLY MEMBERS OF THE MAJORITY SINHALESE COMMUNITY ARE ALLOWED TO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES IN THE COUNTRY.”

      http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/09/10/re-structure-lankan-armed-forces-enlist-minorities-set-national-planning-language-co

      Sri Lankan deputy high commissioner in Chennai P. M Amza refused to tell the Editor of the Weekend leader, how many Tamils are in the Sri Lankan army. Can you provide that information or challenge Vinoj Kumar, the Editor of the Weekend Leader for lying?

      ” In Sri Lanka, Tamils are not treated on par with the Sinhalese. They are NOT inducted into the army, which is almost a 100 percent Sinhalese force. Are there any Tamils in the force at all? The then Sri Lankan deputy high commissioner in Chennai P M Amza refused to reveal the number of Tamils in the Lankan army when I sought the information from him in an email interview in 2007. I was a correspondent with Tehelka then. ”

      http://www.theweekendleader.com/Causes/541/gruesome-genocide.html

      “The Sinhalization of the armed forces continued under the United National Party government of President Jayewardene. The retirement of the British-educated cadre of Tamil and Burgher officers gradually depleted the ranks of minority members. At the same time, the growing ethnic divisions in the country and the deployment of the armed forces against the Tamil population in the Northern Province tended to discourage young Tamil males from pursuing a career in the military. BY 1985 ALMOST ALL ENLISTED PERSONNEL IN THE ARMED SERVICES WERE SINHALESE.”

      http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-13282.html

      http://www.mongabay.com/history/sri_lanka/sri_lanka-ethnic_composition_of_the_armed_forces.html

      “All these events were instrumental in changing the SRI LANKA ARMED FORCES TO A MORE SINHALESE BUDDHIST INSTITUTION of more populist stratification and social composition.”

      http://www.slageconr.net/slsnet/10thicsls/abstracts/abs014.pdf

      • John

        thivya,

        //”No Tamil worth the name of this proud race will ever forget the fact that Prabhakaran defended the Tamil homeland from the Sinhala aggression for more than 30 years. With all his faults he stood up against Sinhala racism and internationalized the Tamil struggle for self determination, peace and dignity in the Eelam Tamil Homeland.”//
        //“The flame, Prabakaran lit among the Tamils, might not have been fulfilled in the form that he did envision, but it has set the Tamils across the continents in flame, to not simply survive but to thrive abundantly as a people with an ancient language, heritage and culture.”//

        How dare you claim or blame GOSL for it’s policy, as you describe, on recruitment to Armed Forces?, going by your racist out burst above which perhaps make Anton Balasingham a moderate ?

        Sri Lanka needs to keep 40,000 or more soldiers in north of Sri Lanka to keep a tab on trouble makers who claim North their homeland , especially to keep Diaspora Terrorists at bay to see poorest of poor Tamil Sri Lankans living in North ( not elsewhere) & their little children , unborn are not recruited again as Child Soldiers at gun point , brainwashed , herded to hell by those worship Mass Murderer V Prabha the megalomaniac.

        //”thrive abundantly as a people with an ancient language, heritage and culture.”//
        You have it in Tamil Nadu & possible in Sri Lanka if you do not have any separatist agenda asking part of Sri Lanka exclusively for Tamils, as Hindu Temples / Kovils are highly regarded , respected by majority Sinhalese in Sri Lanka ( perhaps you may not know since you live overseas)

        //”There is no point in me arguig on and on with you. This is my last reply in this topic.”//

        Perhaps in all your points you got to “rephrase” your arguments as in the case of your “Many Kandyans with Tamil Blood ” a few moons ago.

        Any way keep enjoying writing / arguing here , at least you will become more enlightened.
        Bye

  • Amjad Saleem

    Thanks Kannan.

    these incidents like Kathankudy and even Muthur should not be forgotten.

    thank you for keeping the memory alive.

    • rita

      do

  • luxmy

    When are we going to learn from all these? Why are we continuing these even today?

    The President has not even opened his mouth in the recent mosque attacks.

    He only has the key to justice and peace in this island:

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/8127
    ”… our Excellency, faith and fortune and your great political skills had placed you at a unique point in history. Children, in the years to come, will read in their history books that a great leader, a great warrior, by the name of Mahinda Rajapaksa finally defeated the rebellion after nearly 25 years, when several before him failed. They may even say that you are Dutugemunu of the 21st Century.
    But if you want to wear Gemunu’s mantle, Your Excellency, you will have to build a monument too. That monument does not have to be a Dagoba or a building, it will have to be a new policy that by law will be enforced. … Now, you have the popularity, you have the power of a hero like Julius Céasar returning from Rome after his conquest. No one can deny what you are. Ask the Parliament for some entrenched clauses … The thunderous applause that reverberated across the length and breadth of the hall continued nonstop and would have been heard in the high heavens. ……”

  • thivya

    [Massacre of Muslims

    On 3 August 1990, about 200 Muslims engaged in their Friday prayers at the Meera Jumma and the Hussaina Mosques in the village of Kathankudy were attacked by a group of gunmen, who arrived in several vehicles. More than 140 people were killed and another 87 were injured in the automatic gunfire and grenade attacks.

    The mosques are situated on a narrow strip of land about 1.5 Km. wide, with the Indian ocean on one side and the lagoon on the other. The entire area is fully under the control of the Sri Lankan army. Both roads leading to the village had army check points, and a "group of armed men" in "many vehicles" could not have entered the village unseen by the army. Not only did they enter the village unseen, but also every one of the gunmen escaped, unharmed and unidentified.

    The Sri Lanka army and the government immediately blamed the LTTE.

    The LTTE denied responsibility, stating that this was part of the government strategy to drive a wedge between the Tamils and the Muslims. In a subsequent report they cited several examples of such machinations.

    This attack occurred when the Sri Lanka Defense Minister, Ranjan Wijeratne, was on a tour of Islamic countries in the mid-east, to solicit financial and military assistance to fight the war against Tamils.

    No official inquiry was held, but the government paid generous compensation to the families of the deceased and injured, with uncharacteristic haste (the next day). Thereafter, for several weeks there were news-reports both in the Sri Lanka media and abroad, quoting Muslim area residents stating that the killing was carried out by the LTTE.

    The only impartial scrutiny of this incident to date was by Gerrit Busch, a journalist with der uberblick, a German publication. He, accompanied by Fr. Miller (an American Jesuit Priest who resides in Batticaloa), visited Kathankudy and interviewed several residents. Both concluded that the LTTE was not responsible for these attacks.

    FR. EUGENE HERBERT, ANOTHER AMERICAN JESUIT PRIEST AND AN ASSOCIATE OF FR. MILLER, WAS ARRESTED BY THE ARMY A WEEK AFTER THESE MASSACRES AND HAS DISAPPEARED.

    In the following weeks at least 450 Muslim and Tamil civilians were killed, some in attacks similar to above and others by enraged civilians. The Sri Lanka government was successful in creating dissension between Tamils and Muslims in the eastern province, where the two communities had lived in harmony for several centuries.]

  • thivya

    The war in Sri Lanka is conducted behind closed doors.
    Foreign media is forbidden from the war zone and the press is censored

    “Reporters are kept from the war zone.
    Television footage and photographs are shot by Defense Ministry crews and distributed to Sri Lankan and foreign media.”

    - DEXTER CRUEZ (ASSOCIATED PRESS) 5 DEC 95

    THE PROPAGANDA DEBACLE OF NINTAVUR

    In June 1990, the Sri Lankan army planned to murder a group of Muslims in the eastern town of Nintavur and blame the LTTE for it, but in their enthusiasm told the media about it before it was carried out. The ‘news bulletin’ released had very detailed description of the attack.

    The attack was aborted for some unknown reason, but it was too late to stop the press.

    The international media published the ‘army bulletin’ as ‘news’ (as is still the practice.) The Associated Press (23 June 1990) reported the following –

    “Tamil guerillas hacked to death 62 Muslim villagers in eastern Sri Lanka yesterday, accusing them of being government informants, the Defence Ministry and an opposition Muslim leader said. The massacre at Nintavur came on the eleventh day of war between Tamil separatists and Sri Lankan forces for control of the northeast…The Defence Ministry said troops found the bodies of Muslim men, women and children in Nintavur. Military officials said rebels used knives to kill the villagers. Survivors said the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam raided the village early yesterday because they feared the residents would reveal their jungle hideaway, according to Mahroof Gani of the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress an opposition party. He said that the rebels set fire to a mosque, looted and burnt down houses and left placards warning Muslims not to work for the government….”

    THE NEXT DAY AP HAD TO RECANT THE STORY, AND THE LONDON SUNDAY TIMES (24 JUNE 1990) PUBLISHED THE FOLLOWING -

    “The military admitted yesterday that its report that Tamil Tiger separatists had hacked to death 62 Muslim men, women and children was false… They claimed their earlier report was based on faulty information from residents. The allegation was reported by international news agencies and appeared in newspapers around the world.”

    What is interesting here is how the Defense Ministry had detailed description of a massacre that never took place. The planning must have been so meticulous as to know in advance what the end result would look like!

    http://www.sangam.org/FB_PROPAGANDA/Nintavur.htm

    • wijayapala

      Thivya, do you deny that the LTTE was anti-Muslim? What is your opinion of the expulsion of Muslims from Jaffna and Mannar? Are you going to blame the SLA for that also?

      • thivya

        //Thivya, do you deny that the LTTE was anti-Muslim? What is your opinion of the expulsion of Muslims from Jaffna and Mannar? Are you going to blame the SLA for that also?//

        wijayapala,

        Neither LTTE nor the Tamils are anti Muslims. The Muslims backstabbed their linguistic brethren and they joined the Sinhalese to block the Tamils’ aspirations to live with peace and dignity in their historic habitat. The Tamils will never forget that treachery. Prabhakaran openly apologized to the Muslims for evacuating them from the North and explained to them why he had to do that. On behalf of Muslims, Rauf Hakim accepted the apology.

        Haven’t you Sinhalese milked the incident of evacuation of Muslims from Jaffna enough? Jaffna Muslims were evacuated for spying for the Sinhala army. Many Muslim armed groups were tools in the hands of the Sinhala army and caused enormous amounts of death to the Tamil youth in Jaffna.

        Who is preventing the Muslims from resettling in Jaffna? Since 1995, the LTTE has not been in control of Jaffna. If this is the case, what has been lacking and who is obstructing the resettlement in Jaffna of the Muslims in Puttalam?

        “Muslims living in the North Eastern provinces were always part of Tamil political parties and even won in the post independence elections. The Mother tongue of the Muslims in the island of Sri Lanka is Tamil. This cannot be denied historically or legally. But these days, politically-motivated individuals come out with vague arguments depending on what their purpose is. Some sought to drive a wedge among the Tamils.

        Political turmoil among the Tamils and the Muslims was created only in the late 1980s when the government-motivated Muslim home guards, thugs and mercenaries intensified their attacks on the Tamils in the East, especially those in the Amparai district.

        In 2002, when ANTON BALASINGAM WAS SPEAKING IN A PUBLIC MEETING IN MULLAITIVU, he said,

        Linguistically, economically and territorially the Muslims and the Tamils are inextricably inter-related and therefore they have to co-exist as brothers in the northeast. Let us forget and forgive the mistakes made in the past. Tamil Eelam is also the homeland of the Muslims and we have to live in harmony and amity to promote peace and prosperity in the region.”

        Sinhalese like you who don’t know or don’t want to admit that “the Sinhala Buddhist aversion towards the Muslims runs deep in the south. Sinhalese began hating Muslim businessmen in their midst long years before they turned their guns on the Tamils”. I posted an article on my blog, taken from different sources.

        http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-sinhala-buddhist-aversion-towards.html

      • Burning_Issue

        Dear Thivya,

        No amount of apology would suffice to alleviate and console the sufferings that the Jaffna Muslims encountered after being told to leave within 24 hours just with handful of belongings! Jaffna was the place they were born and bred; it was the only place they knew as their homes. Didn’t Tamils spy on behalf of the Sinhala? I remember LTTE killed the suspected Tamils informants and tied their dead bodies to lampposts. Why then a different rule was applied to the Muslims? Who gave the right to VP to make such orders? Historically, there never have been any communal issues between the Tamils and Muslims in Jaffna. Throughing out of the Muslims in such a barbaric fashion and being totally insensitive to the sufferings of the women and children was an inhumane act that should not be defended by any shape or form.

        Whether the LTTE was anti-Muslims or not is debatable. However, the treatment of the Jaffna Muslims by the LTTE has permanently driven a wedge between the Tamil and Muslim relations. As Wijayapala did now, the Sinhala will bring it out time and again and the Tamils have to grin and bear it! It is an inheritance from the so-called immortal Thalivar whom no one had elected!

      • Off the Cuff

        LTTE’s Suresh confirmed that the order to Ethnically cleanse the North came directly from that murderer Prabhakaran. No amount of whitewashing can change that fact.

        ….. Some of the Roman Catholic clergy in particular pressed the matter, demanding that if he was not in control, then to reveal who was in control. Suresh replied that the Mannar group was not involved, but the Batticaloa group was in charge. ….. Suresh finally said, “The decision is unalterable, because it is a prophetic decision by the leader himself.”

        Read the rest at this link
        http://groundviews.org/2012/08/06/the-kattankudy-mosque-massacre-in-sri-lanka-22-years-after/#comment-47626

        After that continue your reading at “The University Teachers for Human Rights, Jaffna” and learn what Tamil observers say

      • thivya

        Burning_issue,

        I totally agree with you and it is a painful and shameful event in the history of the Eelam Tamil nation. This is one of the worst decisions ever made by the LTTE. We, the Eelam Tamils do not deny that the Muslims must be settled back in Jaffna and they are an integral part of the North East. We have been sharing the North – East amicably for centuries and the Tamils never purposely destroyed the Muslims places of worship and encroached them. The Muslim leaders should be asking the Sinhala government why they can’t re settle the Muslims in their own homes before settling the Sinhala settlers in Tamil’s and Muslim’s homes and lands in the North East.

        At the same time we should not forget the fact that the Sri Lankan Muslims were not just innocent bystanders in this Sinhala war against Tamils. They were active participants in Killing Tamils. The Muslim home guards, together with the Sinhala army, wiped out many villages in the East. The Muslims, with the help of the Sinhalese, successfully marketed the incident of evacuation of the Muslims from Jaffna. I think, the Muslims took a revenge on the entire Eelam Tamil nation for the evacuation of the Muslims from the North. They not only joined as home guards and in Sri Lankan armed forces to kill Tamils but they made sure Pakistan and other Muslim countries help Sri Lanka destroy Tamils as well. After all that, I just don’t understand why they are still harping on about this evacuation.

        The LTTE offered an open apology to the Muslims, and many Tamil journalists and others in and out of Sri Lanka openly condemned the LTTE for it. But did any Muslim leader, or a Muslim like you, at least admit that the Tamils were inhumanely killed and raped by the Muslim Home guards in the East? As a Tamil, I can proudly say the LTTE never raped a Muslim woman because even though Muslims spied for the Sinhala army, they always treated them with respect like their own sisters. But the Muslim home guards did not just kill the Tamils but raped many Tamil women in the East.

        The main reason for the Tamil – Muslim divide in the North East is the Southern leadership, who took over the mantle of Late M.H. M. Ashraff- a Tamil Muslim from the East. The Muslim leaders from the South needed to save their vote base, business and political interest in the Sinhala South at the cost of the Tamils and Muslims in the North East.

      • wijayapala

        Dear thivya

        Haven’t you Sinhalese milked the incident of evacuation of Muslims from Jaffna enough?

        Haven’t “you Tamils” milked the incident of LTTE-provoked violence against Tamils in 1983 enough?

        The Tamils will never forget that treachery.

        Then doesn’t that make you anti-Muslim?

      • thivya

        //Haven’t “you Tamils” milked the incident of LTTE-provoked violence against Tamils in 1983 enough?//

        I don’t talk about 1983 riots, because there are more horrendous crimes and murders committed by the sons and daughters of the Sinhalese against Tamil civilians, merely 3 years ago.

        //“The Tamils will never forget that treachery.” Then doesn’t that make you anti-Muslim?//

        No, I said we won’t forget and I never said we will not forgive. We are willing to forgive and join with Muslims as one Tamil speaking people because as Dr. Anton Balasingham said, “Linguistically, economically and territorially the Muslims and the Tamils are inextricably inter-related and therefore they have to co-exist as brothers in the northeast. Let us forget and forgive the mistakes made in the past. Tamil Eelam is also the homeland of the Muslims and we have to live in harmony and amity to promote peace and prosperity in the region.”

      • Burning Issue

        Dear Thivya,

        One thing that you need to comprehend that I do not need to be a LTTE sympathiser to protest against the injustices that the Tamils have been subjected to; I do not need to be a Muslim to condemn their forceful evacuation from Jaffna. For your information, I am a Tamil Hindu from Jaffna. On these forums, I have had many debates with many people who are genuinely interested in resolving the ethnic issues in Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka is a small country with cosmopolitan population and it requires a good leadership and governance. I am under no elution that the minorities in Sri Lanka have a tough task in being part of the nationhood at the moment. Presently, the regime is saturated with Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinism. The minorities collectively with the Sinhala need to defeat this; this is the only way out for good times in Sri Lanka.

        The Muslims are Sri Lankans and they wish to identify them as a separate ethnic group; we need to respect that though they have Tamil as their mother-tong. Unlike the Tamils, the Muslims are generally spread in all parts of the country. Ironically, it is the Muslims that make the Tamil language being present in all part of the Island. If they were to take sides, they will be in complete disarray. Hence, I do understand their predicament; it is best that they remain as such and participate in peace negotiations.

        “At the same time we should not forget the fact that the Sri Lankan Muslims were not just innocent bystanders in this Sinhala war against Tamils.”

        You have labeled the Muslims as Them and went on to portray the entire Muslim Community that acted with an agenda against the Tamils!

        “They were active participants in Killing Tamils.”

        How many Muslims took part in this Thivya? Can you comfortably say that the entire Muslim population was at work on this? How about the Tamils killing Tamils? Do you realise that the LTTE killed more Tamils than any other entity pre-final stand-off?

        “The Muslim home guards, together with the Sinhala army, wiped out many villages in the East. The Muslims, with the help of the Sinhalese, successfully marketed the incident of evacuation of the Muslims from Jaffna. I think, the Muslims took a revenge on the entire Eelam Tamil nation for the evacuation of the Muslims from the North. They not only joined as home guards and in Sri Lankan armed forces to kill Tamils but they made sure Pakistan and other Muslim countries help Sri Lanka destroy Tamils as well. After all that, I just don’t understand why they are still harping on about this evacuation.”

        Please steady on Thivya; I am aware of all the killings; you forgot to include the killings that the LTTE defectors did? Why do you single out the Muslims when the Tamils themselves killed their kith and kin? If you believe that the Muslims conspired against the Tamils ensuring Sri Lanka Pakistan collaboration, I am afraid you are ignorant of the politics of the Indian Sub-Continent. The Muslim politicians are as opportunistic as any other politicians from the other ethnic groups; survival and greed is the name of the game.

      • Ravana

        thiviya,

        “But the Muslim home guards did not just kill the Tamils but raped many Tamil women in the East.”

        I have read articles which claim that when the LTTE discovered the power of a raped Tamil woman (the rationalisation being that in Tamil society, a raped woman is worthless and is ready to commit suicide- allegedly a result of the chastity cult in Tamil society , as illustrated well by anthropologists; Rajiv Gandhi murder being the most famous illustration of this) that there was a systematic programme of recruiting sexually abuse females but also that there was actual sexual molestation and rape of female cadres by males in order to turn them into suicide cadres.

        I can understand the strategic benefit of such action, if indeed this is true. I cannot condone the horror of firstly, committing such deliberate and horrific crimes on women/girls and secondly the idea that such victims should be turned into “smart-bombs” instead of being helped to heal through love and compassion.
        Even though I can try to understand the decision of these women to become suicide bombers given the unforgiving and heartless Jaffna Culture (if this happened to my sister, I would be with her day and night consoling her and crying with her; if any one’s life is to be sacrificed in seeking revenge, it would be mine).

        Thiviya, I think those who are clearly supporters of the defunct LTTE must be answerable in the face of such charges. And this is just the crimes of the LTTE against women. I haven’t even started about the crimes against children!

        I guess you are beyond redemption. But I would ask all Sri Lankans with humanity still retained within them, to consider what “John” had to say earlier in this commentary:

        “it was Western Christian fundamentalist NGOs which became godfathers of LTTE terrorism, with finance, moral, political, logistic support lasting for next 02 decades until May 2009.
        Further, it was reported by press, quoting witnesses at presidential commission of inquiry appointed by President Premadasa on Israel involvement in SL, that LTTE too were trained alongside SL Army in the same area in Israel, of unknown to each other & the ‘Jonny Batta’ or anti personal mine of LTTE was a gift from Israel to LTTE. All these had happened after 1990.”

        Sri Lankans have to keep in mind the implications behind what John has said, which goes much deeper than his words. Sri Lankans who are nothing but cousins of each other (in reality the whole world other than your own siblings are your cousins, but Sri Lankans are closer cousins) should keep in mind that there is natural evolution within human society which is driving it inexorably towards systematic control of human beings as commodities. Sri Lanka is one of those rare places on earth in which groups of humans have consistently resisted this. Tamil racism and the LTTE as its ultimate representative is certainly not part of that resistance but a representative the systematic forces, a mirror image of Go SL, UK, US etc. You need to see that GoSL merely represents the cutting edge of lengths to which so-called democratic states are willing to go in order to own their human assets so that they (the states) in turn can serve their paymasters.

        The sinhala victims of such suppression (the powerless) have been somewhat lucky. The social structure which they are embedded in have permitted them to resist, as fruitless (evidently ;) ) as it may have been. The powerless in Tamil society are indeed the wretched of the earth, as Bishop Ryuppu Joseph once called the Tamil society in general. What he did not admit was that he was (/is?) one of the suppressors who would ensure that there cannot be dissent;the sort of dissent and resentment that a working class sinhala speaker can express towards those who control society. In insisting on a “Tamil struggle” Ryuppu continues to fan the fires of the traditional Tamil elite to bake the Tamil poor.

        The real masters of the World are merely happy to take opportunities in this and will spit out the chaff when they are done.

        It is never too late for “cousins” to realise what is happening and work together at an equitable society without need for so-called “territory”. Defeating petty Sinhala Racism together would be much easier than resisting the greater enemy, Tamil racism and via it the dominant forces of the World.

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        Burning _Issue,

        The Tamils were killed in numerous massacres in the East by Sinhala army and Muslim home guards. There are well known cases like Semmani mass graves also in the North. But none of these Tamil victims get any attention and commemoration like Kathankudi. It seems like opposing the LTTE crimes are fashionable and it makes the people who oppose the LTTE look like real humanitarians. Either that or they just feel they have to do that to get kudos from the Sinhalese in the internet forums.

        //Ironically, it is the Muslims that make the Tamil language being present in all part of the Island. If they were to take sides, they will be in complete disarray//

        I am not questioning the majority Muslim’s love of Tamil, although it is beginning to fade after the arabization of the Sri Lankan Muslims and I heard many of them are sending their children to Sinhala medium schools now. I think they took sides with Sinhalese in opposing the Tamil’s aspiration to live in their historic habitat with peace and dignity. Not only did they take the side of the Sinhalese, but they help them in every way possible to undermine the Tamil struggle for peace and freedom in their own homeland.

        //…it is best that they remain as such and participate in peace negotiations.//

        Some people equated the Muslim demand for ‘separate representation” at the Government of Sri Lanka-LTTE Peace talks akin to a wedding guest demanding a seat in the honeymoon bed of a newly-wed couple.

        They say “For the Peace talks to happen, first there was a war between two parties, namely the Government of Sri Lanka and LTTE. What did Muslims do, between 1983 and 2002? By calculated design, most were with the Government of Sri Lanka. Covertly and overtly, the Muslim politicians and businessmen organized Pakistani sponsorship for the Sri Lankan armed forces. Now, by wearing another hat, the Muslims want a separate chair in the proposed Peace talks, which is nothing but irrational.”

        That’s why President Rajapaksa said “the Sinhalese would also be asking a separate Sinhala delegation if a Muslim delegation were to be permitted. One never knows what factors made President Rajapakse to reject the Muslim demand. Maybe, he wanted to be fair with the Eelam Tamils. Maybe, he was upset by the anti-vote of Muslims (organized by the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress) against him in the November 2005 presidential elections. Whether the will of President Rajapakse on this issue will hold forever needs to be seen.”

        //Do you realise that the LTTE killed more Tamils than any other entity//

        This is just another Sinhala propaganda canard; you are also repeating the same thing. Can you backup your statement and prove that the LTTE killed more Tamils than the Sinhala army? In any liberation war the collaborators were killed by the freedom fighters or insurgents. Everyone knows hundreds of Tamils were killed by carpet bombings, mass graves, and food and medicine embargoes and in Sri Lankan jails even before the final stages of the war. Do you think all those Tamils were killed by the LTTE.

        I know that it is not only the Muslim politicians, but all politicians are opportunists, and I already said that the main reason for the Tamil – Muslim divide in the North East is the Southern leadership, who took over the mantle of Late M.H. M. Ashraff- a Tamil Muslim from the East. The Muslim leaders from the South needed to save their vote base, business, and political interest in the Sinhala South at the cost of the Tamils and Muslims in the North East. But the Muslims repeatedly elected them, knowing well about their anti Tamil stance and how they help the Sri Lankan government destroy Tamil as a nation by getting help from Muslim countries.

      • Burning Issue

        Dear Thivya,

        I am with you when you point your finger at the Sri Lankan Regimes for all the atrocities against the Tamils including many gruesome massacres. The carnages such as Willikada Prison Massacre and Binduleweva Rehabilitation Massacre are beyond any stretch of anyone’s imagination. In both cases the inmates were killed with collaboration with the very people who should have protected them; no one has been brought to justice! Not to mention other massacres that you have inferred to. However, the point is that every time we talk about the Government crimes, the Sinhala can point to many of LTTE associated massacres and so forth. There is no way we can expect sympathy or any sort of reasoning from the Sinhala when they can point to many equally gruesome massacres and killings that the LTTE carried out.

        We justified suicide bombing owing to SLA raping our women and indiscriminately killing our people. We never thought about the morality of such an act! We never paid any attention to those innocent victims who had been blown to pieces for being there for no fault of their own. Those people also have mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters; they have feelings too. Here we had our undisputed Thaliver who had happily sent out vulnerable young people, who one reason or another were pushed into such a mental state, to blow themselves up for his own agenda!

        “The Tamils were killed in numerous massacres in the East by Sinhala army and Muslim home guards. There are well known cases like Semmani mass graves also in the North. But none of these Tamil victims get any attention and commemoration like Kathankudi.”

        It is true that GOSL purposefully underplayed their own killings and overplayed the LTTE acts. If it had been the reverse, the LTTE would have done the same. The LTTE indoctrinated the Tamils such that only solution was separation and compelled the Tamils with emotional blackmail. The Ponguthamil celebration was devised to whip up Tamil sentiments. The LTTE tolerated no dissent. We accuse the MR regime of being intolerable to dissent, but we were very happy to look the other way when the LTTE exercised the same control over the Tamils. Not only some Muslims but also some Tamils collaborated with SLA in carrying out the numerous massacres of Tamils. We cannot just point out fingers at the Muslims alone.

        “Either that or they just feel they have to do that to get kudos from the Sinhalese in the internet forums.”

        Interesting; I suggest that you search my contributions on these forums before you come to such conclusions.

        “I am not questioning the majority Muslim’s love of Tamil, although it is beginning to fade after the arabization of the Sri Lankan Muslims and I heard many of them are sending their children to Sinhala medium schools now.”

        Interestingly, Wijaypala once mentioned about increasingly many Muslim women these days chose to wear Arabised clothing as opposed to before. I believe that this has nothing to do with being anti-Tamil but a general trend among the Muslims all over the world post 9/11. This is another story but it has nothing to do with the Tamil/Muslim/Sinhala relations. The Muslims use Tamil as their main medium; some Muslims send their children to Sinhala medium schools. It may be due to there are not Tamil medium schools in Sinhala dominated areas or economic reasons. We all send our children to English medium schools; it has not in any way diminished our Tamilness.

        “I think they took sides with Sinhalese in opposing the Tamil’s aspiration to live in their historic habitat with peace and dignity. Not only did they take the side of the Sinhalese, but they help them in every way possible to undermine the Tamil struggle for peace and freedom in their own homeland.”

        Sorry Thivya; many issues have been convoluted in your above sentences. What do you mean by taking sides? Do you mean opposing the LTTE or a separate state? What do you mean by “Tamil struggle”? Do you mean a separate state or live with peace and dignity within a United Sri Lanka? How exactly the Muslims undermined the Tamils quest to live in peace?

        On the point about the Muslims as one of the participants of the peace settlement; if a party has not chosen to take up arms to fight for justice does not mean it does not have grievances. A peace settlement must take into account all fabrics of the Sri Lankan societies. A framework should be found where all should feel equal and pull together as subjects of a nation. This is the challenge not just for the MR regime but for all concerned.

        “This is just another Sinhala propaganda canard; you are also repeating the same thing. Can you backup your statement and prove that the LTTE killed more Tamils than the Sinhala army?”

        This is to do with my claim that the LTTE killed more Tamils than any other entity pre last stages of the war. I still stand by this only because the LTTE killed and wiped out all other Tamil militant groups; no one knows as to how many! I do not buy government propaganda nor did I buy the LTTE propaganda! The LTTE took money from MR and prevented the Tamils from voting at the presidential election at which MR first contested. There was a genuine prospect for amicable peace and LTTE consciously sabotaged it with a view to outsmarting the MR regime; we all know what happened; don’t we? Prabhakaran single handedly destroyed the Tamil prospects and in the process brought about not only his demise but also untold miseries to the Tamil folks. Countless women have been rapes, many innocent men, women, children have perished. Only because VP did not understand his limitations; his personal ego and his unwavering quest for championing a separate nation that no one understood as to its sustainability; he had irreparably damaged the Tamil platform on which a viable political solution can be found.

        This is an interesting read:
        http://blog.srilankacampaign.org/2012/08/flag-day.html

      • Gamarala

        Thivya,

        1. Burning issue asks a good question: If there were Tamil individuals who who were also responsible for “betraying” the LTTE, why was the entire Muslim populace preferentially chased out by the LTTE? As a point of comparison, when an action of a few individuals is generalized to an entire ethnicity, what would such an action be called?

        2. When the honourable defence secretary “chased out” all “non-registered” Tamils from Colombo, what would such an action be called?

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        Gamarala

        1. Do you know what the LTTE did to the Tamils who betrayed the cause? I heard all the informants and collaborators were killed or ended up hanging in lamp posts. Are you asking why the LTTE did not kill the Muslims and safely evacuate them instead? I think the LTTE did not want to kill the Muslims and get the wrath of Tamils and others therefore evacuated them. The LTTE cadres did not even touch any of the Muslim women. Compare that to how many Tamil women were raped by the Sinhala Veerayas and Muslims home guards in the East. The LTTE evacuated the Muslims instead of killing them, like they killed the Tamil informants and collaborators. That was the safest choice at that time and Prabakaran apologized for it and explained why they had to make that difficult decision. If the LTTE’s aim was killing the Muslims, they could have easily killed them in the North, they did not have to venture into Sri Lankan army territory in Kathankkudi and kill the Muslims in the mosque. Remember there are so many mosques in the North and we Tamils never encroached or destroyed them.

        2. Thanks for equating the actions of a so called democratic country which is the signatory of many international human rights treaties with an armed outfit called the LTTE. The ministers and politicians of Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and other countries who evacuated ethnic minorities in this pattern faced the war crime tribunals, so eventually justice will catch up with Sri Lanka as well. In 2002 LTTE leader Prabhakaran formally apologized for the expulsion of Muslims from the north, did the defense secretary to the Tamils for his act?

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        TAMIL MASSACRE VICTIMS ALSO DESERVE TO BE REMEMBERED.

        Massacre of Tamils in the Hindu Temple. Today is the 22nd Anniversary of more than 232 Tamils who were massacred by the Sri Lankan military and Muslim Home Guards in the Veeramunai Pillaiyar Temple.

        Everyone remembers the Muslim victims of Kathankudi only, but there are so many massacres where innocent Tamils were slaughtered by the Sri Lankan army and Muslim Home guards. The Tamil speaking Muslims of Sri Lanka were not innocent bystanders but they were active participants in the war against Tamils.

        http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca/2012/08/massacre-of-tamils-in-hindu-temple.html

    • Ravana

      Hmmm,
      I’m not sure how to interpret this latest statement from Thiviya. Leave alone that there was no condolences left to commemorate the horrific mass murder of Sri Lankan citizen’s s/he appears to be getting the propagandists ready to credit the GoSL of providing the Bush (II) Government the template for how to manipulate the fateful day of September 11, 2001. Ranil Wickramasinghje may deserve a medal for this one!

      Pretty soon Thiviya is likely to join the dots to is likely to join the dots and link September 11 to the fact that fortunes of the LTTE began to turn with that event! Very curious that Wicks came to power shortly afterwards (heh, heh , heh).

      That bloody Ranil Wickramasinghe! He’s behind all evil that has fallen the completely innocent LTTE and its elite advisers!!

      Unfortunately the history of alleged torture chambers in his property would not help Mr. Wickramasinghe gain credibility in fighting this latest LTTE claim of crimes under his regime. Poor Tigers. They just cannot appear to have the luck. (They are just poor victims of a vicious propaganda war carried out by that highly resources GoSL with the best diplomatic and espionage force in the World).

      GV, I’m sorry for using such sarcasm in relation to a sombre article like this. However, I should bring a contrite balance to my comment by acknowledging the unbearable pain I feel for our close relatives of the north (whether Muslim, Hindu or Christian- not to mention the Buddhists) who have been the helpless pawns of two malicious forces which has infested the island. Namely GoSL (specifically UNP and SLFP) and the “Tamil” elite who spawned the incredibly horrific and incredibly stupid Tigers.

      Even today the Tamil elite of the North and East continue their heartless campaign against our people. And, falsely, they claim that these victims are their people. I feel outraged and helpless myself because it seems nobody loves our relatives in an island who have suffered the most whether it was in 1958, 1971, 1983, 1987-89 or 2005-2009. These are the poorest in the nation who are merely to be tread on by those who believe that they have power.

  • Nelum Bandara

    We can go on blaming each other or hatching lies after lies or stop and reverse and follow a good path.

    I followed the website shown by luxmy:

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/8127
    Recalling the Speech made in Houston by George Willy before President Rajapaksa, Hemantha Warnakulasurita, 16 July 2012:
    ”The speech delivered by Mr. George R. Willy P.C., at the reception hosted by the Sri Lankans in Houston, to welcome President Mahinda Rajapaksa, comes closest to one who believes the ultimate ‘Nirvana’, for the long suffering people in Sri Lanka, of whatever ethnicity they belong to, are mainly and solely dependent upon national reconciliation. … If you need my help, I will give it free, like the many in audience would. … You killed one Prabhakaran, but do not let another grow. You can’t prevent another one with swords and guns. That you only can do with your heart and wisdom, compassion, truth and justice which you learnt from Buddha. Those are the only weapons you will need. …”

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Kannan Arunasalam has reminded us of another ugly and regrettable incident in our recent history. This is a lesson among thousands that we have to be reminded of regularly,in an objective manner, to stop us from bringing out the beasts in us, ever again. No one should try to justify such incidents. Unfortunately, we refuse to learn’The Lesson’ and revert to recalling the past to justify why we became ‘The beasts’ or should become ‘The Beasts’again. Apologies do not negate these incidents, unless they are accompanied by actions that prevent repetition.

    Our history is replete with ugly and regrettable incidents, but fortunately, it is also on a much larger and grander scale a history of peoples, who have lived together, accomodated each other, learned from each other, believe in a lot of common things, share many profound values (& a few beastly ones!) and are related to each other more than to any other people. It is time we start also remembering what we share and what we have in common, in order to build a better, more humane and a more civilized and democratic country, together. We have to move into the norms and values demanded by the 21st century and beyond and cannot and should not be prisoners of only our regrettable past.

    I wish those who are interested in Sri Lanka and the welfare of all her people, read books by Alvin Toffler, who has written extensively on what the 21st century is likely to be in terms of how we are evolving in various matters as individuals and collectives of peoples now.

    Let us lead our politicians, as they have failed miserably to lead us.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/9250#more-9250

    Another incident in the east involving ‘Pillatar/Ganesha/Gana Deviyo’,
    that is beastly and will bring out the ‘Beast’in all of us.

    When will the law and order system put an end to such crass stupidity?

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Buddhika

    Thank you, Nelum – you prompted me to read it and the best part is:

    ”Your Excellency, as you leave this fair city and return to Sri Lanka, promise me that the ten-year-old boy, walking to school tomorrow, in his white shirt, will have no other red stain than from the Jambu fruit, That the morning crow will not open anything other than the Jack fruit, that there will be nothing else hanging on the Margosa tree, other than the fruits that smell sweet.
    Your Excellency!, return us to our paradise, return us to our paradise. Thank you.”

  • Keynes!

    Thivya,

    Was the Udathalawinna massacre carried out by the LTTE?

    • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

      //Was the Udathalawinna massacre carried out by the LTTE?//

      Keynes,

      You should have asked this question to OffTheCuff or some other Sinhalaya in this forum.

      In a rare case, on 20 January 2006, the High Court Trial-at-Bar sentenced five Army Personnel identified as Lt. Ranjith Wijeratne, Susil de Silva, Kamala Wijeratne, Anura Kumara and Buddhi Dissanayake to death in the Udathalawinna massacre case. They were found guilty of the charges of murder of 10 youths on 5 December 2001 when the
      General Election was held.

      The case concerns the massacre of 10 Muslim youths in Udathalawinna in the Knady district on the day of general elections in 2000. Fifteen persons, including the former Defence Minister, Gen. Anurudha Ratwatte, and his sons, Lohan and Chanuka Ratwatte, are indicted in the case.

      All of them were acquitted in July 2009, as usual, because the killers were Sinhalese. :)

      -Five found guilty of Udathalawinna massacre acquitted -

      http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2009/07/five-found-guilty-of-udathalawinna.html

      • Ward

        thivya
        just a reminder:
        http://bostonreview.net/BR30.3/keenan.php

        We know in the 50s/60s how Sinhalese could get away with murdering Tamils/Muslims – only some cases were taken up in courts. In about 10 years there won’t be Sinhalese people who can speak what actually happened to the Tamils. I dread to think of the future but I won’t be here as I’m already very old.

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        How do you explain the fact that a Muslim, Hasan Mohamed Jinnah, is the secretary of the TESO Conference?

        Or let’s take the case of Shaheen Sheik. Her Bharatha Natyam performances are mesmerizing. If she were to perform her Mohiniattam in Sri Lanka, would the Muslims here consider it sacrilege?

      • http://brainoil.wordpress.com sharanga

        The case concerns the massacre of 10 Muslim youths in Udathalawinna in the Knady district on the day of general elections in 2000. Fifteen persons, including the former Defence Minister, Gen. Anurudha Ratwatte, and his sons, Lohan and Chanuka Ratwatte, are indicted in the case.

        All of them were acquitted in July 2009, as usual, because the killers were Sinhalese.

        Oh. So Lohan, Chanuka, and Anurudha Ratwatte were acquitted because they were Sinhalese? Would’ve never thought of that. Well done thivya. Your perspective is certainly unique. Hah.

    • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

      Keynes!,

      //How do you explain the fact that a Muslim, Hasan Mohamed Jinnah, is the secretary of the TESO Conference?//

      Hasan Mohammed Jinnah is a fully fledged Tamil by birth, his religion (maarkam in Tamil) is Islam. His first and foremost identity is Tamil, and the Tamil Nadu Muslims consider themselves Tamil first. Just like there are Hindus, and Christian Tamils, there Islamic Tamils in Tamil Nadu. Hon. Abdul Kalam is a Tamil, he is from Rameswaram Tamil Nadu, the Tamils around the world are proud of him. But even the Sri Lankan Muslims whose ancestors came from Keezhaikarai and Malabar costs want to search their roots in Arabia now. As I said before, the main reason for the Muslim – Tamil divide was, in the colonial period the Muslims leadership was in the hands of educated Southern Malay Muslims who had nothing in common with the Eelam Tamils. The North – East Muslims were not educated or influential in politics in the colonial period. The Sinhala Buddhist leaders used the Malay Muslim leadership to divide an important segment of Tamil speaking people on the basis of religious identity. I think now the Southern Muslim leadership also wants to hold ‘pandang’ to the Sinhala Buddhists in power, which is the main impediment for the unity of Tamils and Muslims in Sri Lanka.

      //let’s take the case of Shaheen Sheik. Her Bharatha Natyam performances are mesmerizing. If she were to perform her Mohiniattam in Sri Lanka, would the Muslims here consider it sacrilege?//

      I think they would condemn it. The Tamil speaking Muslims in Sri Lanka are very much Arabized now and may even issue a fatwa on her because in Arabia (“where their ancestors came from”) they do not dance Mohiniattam. :)

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        If the Muslims in Tamil Nadu are so proud of their Tamil heritage as you claim, how would you decipher Mohideen Baig’s decision to move from Salem to Sri Lanka and begin singing Buddhist songs?

      • http://thivyaaa.blogspot.ca thivya

        //how would you decipher Mohideen Baig’s decision to move from Salem to Sri Lanka and begin singing Buddhist songs?//

        Keynes,

        Mohideen Baig moved from Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka in 1932, why do you think almost a million Tamils moved from Tamil Nadu to toil in the leach infested Sri Lankan tea estates before him, and now more than half million Sinhalese are toiling in the Middle east and even being tortured by the Arabs – all because of money, opportunity and a better life than what they had at home.

        I don’t think he moved to Sri Lanka because he was attracted to the teachings of Sinhala political Buddhism or because he heard about the love of Sinhalese for the Tamils. :)

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        But do the Tamils of Tamil Nadu see the Muslims in Tamil Nadu as their brethren?

        Subramaniam Swamy is on record for demonising the Muslims and requesting them to acknowledge their Hindu ancestry!

      • thivya

        //But do the Tamils of Tamil Nadu see the Muslims in Tamil Nadu as their brethren?//

        Keynes,

        Yes, very much so. I told some Tamil friends in Tamil Nadu that the Muslims are not Tamils and they don’t identify themselves as Tamils in Sri Lanka. They said don’t say that anywhere in Tamil Nadu and the Tamil Muslims of Tamil Nadu are the Tamils who embraced Islam mainly because of the caste infested, discriminative practices of the Brahmanical Hinduism practiced in Tamil Nadu. The Muslims of Tamil Nadu strongly feel that they are Tamils and I read somewhere that a Tamil Nadu Muslim was the first one who sacrificed himself to highlight the suffering of Sri Lankan Tamils.

        The TN Muslims say “Islam enkal Vazhi inpa thamizhe enkal mozhi”, it means ‘Islam is our way but the sweet Tamil is our language’. But I have to admit the animosity between Tamils and Muslims in Sri Lanka and some of the anti Muslim acts of the LTTE gave them a real uneasiness, and that is why they had the dilemma of which side to support in the Sri Lankan conflict. In the pro LTTE Namm Thamizhar(we are Tamils) party of Seemaan for example, some of the senior leaders are Tamil Nadu Muslims. I heard there are many Tamil Nadu Muslims who work in the Middle East who are constantly arguing with their Sri Lankan counterparts about this disunity between Tamils and Muslims in Sri Lanka. .

        //Subramaniam Swamy is on record for demonising the Muslims and requesting them to acknowledge their Hindu ancestry!//
        What does Subramaniyam Swamy have to do with Tamils. He won’t even get his deposit back in Tamil Nadu. Trust me no one in Tamil Nadu takes him seriously, he says controversial things to be in the news. Only the Sinhalese think of him highly because he says things they want to hear. Tamil Nadu is the only state where the BJP and other Hindutva parties are still struggling to make inroads.

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  • Buddhika

    Folks

    ”Foreign friends cannot help much in the political reconciliation process, which is the responsibility of the government, political parties, religious leaders, civil society and intellectuals of Sri Lanka” – http://www.dailymirror.lk/opinion/172-opinion/20947-healing-the-wounds-of-war-is-not-limited-to-reconstructing-roads-.html

    Please start enlisting the crimes going on now and propose how we can stop them.

  • Walter

    Since 1948
    Massacres of all sorts have taken place in this Country.
    Even today the people of all ethnicities are being massacred by the Government. We do not see the spilling of blood nor the loud wailing but we know that many hearts are bleeding.
    This is definitely worse in the North and East of this Country.
    The barbarians of Africa, the head hunters of Borneo the savages of South America are all blood thirsty, but they did not pretend to be religious or virtuous they enjoyed what they did even today some these Countries are living up to these acts.
    But in this Country the Country which has embraced Buddhism one of the greatest philosophies the followers or pretenders are blood thirsty.
    The Sinhla Government is a reflection of its people.
    A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.
    This is the sad irony
    How many riots has this Country had since independence?
    All the riots were directed towards the minorities.
    Such a magnanimous loving charitable Country conducted a historically unknown “humanitarian operation” and that too with zero casualities,killing thousands and thousands and now shamelessly saying there were “only” few thousand casualities.
    So you can see the mindset of this Nation comprising 71% Sinhala Buddhist.
    Untill there is a total recognition of the frailings of the Sinhala man there can never be true reconciliation.

    • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      Walter,

      During the first world war, when Albert Schweitzer was working as a missionary doctor in the thick and formidable forests in Lamberine, Gambia, he was also preaching to the man-eating pygmies, the message of love, kindness, forgiveness and sin. A pygmy who had some or other heard about the mass slaughter in Europe asked, why the Christian West, was slaughtering fellow men in their thousands, whereas they killed only one or two, when they were hungry. A shocked Albert Schweitzer, had no answer.

      Let us Tamils try not to be too self righteous. Thousands have been also hurt, murdered and massacred in our name. The equation is very largely balanced. Let us turn to a new page in our history! Age should give those like you and me the wisdom to help turn the page.

      Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Keynes!

        Walter, Dr. Narendran,

        You may want to read the book Cannibal Talk by Gananath Obeysekere.

      • Anpu

        Dr RN, I am not sure what he means by “The equation is very largely balanced.” Could you please show us how it is balanced. But I agree “Let us turn to a new page in our history!”. Three yrs gone after the war. What is happening in Srilanka is Tamil Genocide http://tamilnation.co/indictment/index.htm. http://www.sangam.org/2011/04/Track_Record.pdf.crdownload . It is not an exageration.

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Anbu,

        I am living in Sri Lanka and spend much time in the north. I can categorically and unequivocally state that a genocide is not taking place in Sri Lanka. What is taking place is a human struggle for survival against unbelievable odds. It is the struggle of a war-affected people, who happen to be unfortunately Tamils.

        There were riots and a prolonged war. The riots, including that of 1983 were not a genocide, although inhuman. A genocide was what Hitler did to the Jews! The Hindu-Muslim carnage after the partition of India, was also not a genocide, although millions died. The Sri Lankan government may have had a direct or indirect hand in the riots. However, this did not amount to a genocide. The various riots and acts of violence taking place in India, against specific groups are also not genocides, although there is political involvement and direction.

        We were killed and we killed. We were terrorized and we terrorized. We were robbed, looted, held hostage, tortured and murdered by own liberators. Provoking the Sri Lankan armed forces and the IPKF to kill innocent Tamil civilians was a war tactic for the LTTE. More Tamils have died at the hands and because of the LTTE, than in any riot. The riots and the accompanying terror were largely occasional for the Tamils,before the wars. However, all Sri Lankans were terrorized daily by the LTTE, till May’09.

        This is what I called a balance of terror! The equation is indeed balanced, or even probably tilted in favour of more terror by our so-called ‘Sole representative and liberator’, the LTTE.

        I should know as I been the victim of both! On the other hand, I have also experienced the unexpected kindness of the Sinhalese in very large measure, as a totally unknown Tamil. Unfortunately, the Tamils were in no position to be as kind, because they themselves were in need of help.

        Let us not hold grudges till eternity. Instead let us jointly create condition for lasting peace and prosperity in Sri Lanka, however difficult it may be initially. The Sinhalese share a large number of genes with us and are our kindred spirits in many ways. The Muslims, not only speak Tamil, but also share genes, if the historical fact that Muslim traders from India and the Arab world married Tamil-Hindu women in the past, is accepted.

        It is also a fact that Tamil will survive in Sri Lanka, because of the Muslims. The Tamils are becoming less and less Tamil by the day- a Hara Kiri not only in numbers (overwhelming inclination to migrate),but also linguistically and culturally. What will identify them ultimately will be the ritual ridden ‘Hinduism’ they practice.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • THIVYA

        Dr. Rajasinglham Narendran,

        With all due respect I have a couple questions for you. The following article- ‘GENOCIDAL SEX ABUSE OF EX-LTTE FEMALE CADRES BECOMES ROUTINE IN NORTH AND EAST’ – evokes the felling of pain, anger and resentment against the occupying Sinhala army in the hearts of many Tamils. You once said in this forum that there is no genocide of Tamils in Sri Lanka. As a Tamil, if I may borrow the words of Rajini Thirnagama, you are also “a son born in the womb of this very society, from a woman with whom the history of” all these Tamil women who are being sexually abused by the Sinhala army shared – how do you feel about the article? What do you think about the plight of Tamil women at the hands of Sinhala army? Do you think Tamil net is lying? Since you are living in Sri Lanka, what is your assessment?

        “Genocidal sex abuse of ex-LTTE female cadres becomes routine in North and East

        The genocidal Sri Lanka military occupying the country of Eezham Tamils is routinely engaged in repeated sexual abuse of the former female members of the LTTE to see them pregnant by the Sinhala soldiers, in the model of former Yugoslavia, news sources citing a number of cases and medical professionals told TamilNet. While Radha D’Souza views the Tamil struggle “as one of the most significant movements since the end of the Vietnam War,” the former US Deputy Secretary of State and a current ICG trustee Richard Armitage in Oslo last year was harping on the unawareness of the world on the happenings in the island. The genocide is meant to be so by the architects, and the Akashi visit last week viewing ‘rehabilitated’ female cadres was another effort to keep the on-going genocide under the carpet, political observers in the island said.

        Many former female cadres of the LTTE are repeatedly abused with determination to make them pregnant either in detention or by ‘summoning’ them after the so-called release.

        When they refuse or not cooperate to the ‘summons’, their family members are harmed.

        Confirming the kind of genocide-intended pregnancies of ex-LTTE cadres, a senior doctor in the North said that he didn’t know what to do about it.

        A recent case that had come to him had an eight-month pregnancy. She is now handed over to the care of some nuns. “I don’t know what to do with most of the cases,” the doctor said.

        “There is no international system to protect them in the island or provide refuge outside,” the doctor further said, whose statement was also confirmed by a gender-related social worker in the island.

        Sexual abuses are committed at two stages on the ex-cadres, first in the internment camps and then after the so-called release, the feminist social worker said.

        The details of 2000 to 3000 female cadres who were captured by the SL military are not yet known. Whether they are alive or still kept in secret camps is not found in any local or international records. The numbers of those who were captured and released do not tally. Colombo says there are only around 600 left in detention. What had happened to the remaining, asked the social worker.

        The condition of senior female cadres is pathetic, the social worker said, citing reports of some released cadres. “Many have been seen in the detention camps, but we do not know what has happened to them,” the social worker said.

        In the second stage, abuses take place after the so-called release of the cadres. ‘Summoning’ them for interrogation and repeatedly abusing them has become a routine and a past time in the SL military camps now. This happens widely in the SL bases and intelligence camps of Vavuniyaa and Jaffna, and in the camps of Vanni, the social worker told TamilNet.

        In another recent incident in Jaffna, a young ex-cadre from Vanni wanted to hand over her 13-month old child to anyone who would take care of it. The child was a result of repeated abuse of the woman by the ‘interrogating’ military but she wanted the child to live.

        Genocidal Colombo, elements clinging to it and their media, try to project the situation as a result of current social conditions and deviations among Eezham Tamils. But most of the cases are result of systematic and genocide-intended military abuses, observed the feminist social worker, agreeing with the doctor that there is no independent international mechanism operative in the island to protect the ex-cadres.
        * * *

        Commenting on the situation, TamilNet former war correspondent Mr. Lokeesan said that by the end of the war, young Sinhala soldiers of the genocidal military were given with pornographic material to induce them to commit sexual assault on the captured female LTTE cadres.

        A Sinhala military cultivated in this way is what that is going to stay in the country of Eezham Tamils, and the results could be imagined, he further commented.

        While China now builds permanent cantonments to the occupying Sinhala military, and India ‘trains’ the genocidal military in its bases, Mr. Akashi has come primarily to patch up relations between the West and Colombo, media reports from Colombo said.

        The genocidal war is perhaps perpetuated by a system and not by individuals. But the world needs an international people’s tribunal to identify the ultimate elements of such a system to remedy it.

        At least some individuals or institutions articulating for the system on the question of Eezham Tamils, such as the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, Robert Blake, Erik Solheim, Yasushi Akashi, Shiv Shankar Menon, his predecessor MK Narayanan and institutions such as the International Crisis Group (ICG), either coming forward or being made to answer to the world would immensely help the progress of human civilization, commented an academic in Jaffna.

        The politicians and political activists who continue to deal with this system, and in the process pressurized to take up a patch-up course have to consider twice before deviating from the grassroot realities, political observers in the island and in the diaspora cautioned.

        Meanwhile, those who whitewash the genocidal regime to the world with the hoodwink of Relief, Rehabilitation and Reconciliation, do many times more harm to humanity than the fault they had found with the LTTE, social workers in the island said.
        * * *

        The following are further direct reports to TamilNet by a few among the affected who decided to talk:

        “I don’t like to live here. I may be in peace if I go elsewhere. Otherwise there is no option other than committing suicide with my entire family,” says a tearful ex-LTTE female cadre. She has become a wreck by continued sexual abuse in the name of summons and interrogations by the occupying Sinhala military.

        She was 6-months pregnant when she was released from the SLA internment camp, said her mother with a downcast face.

        “We went to an illegal medical facility for abortion,” her mother was sorrowful about it.

        The ex-LTTE female cadres have come to their worst point of predicament now.

        The occupying Sinhala military that summoned them earlier in the name of ‘monitoring and interrogation’, now openly summons them for its sexual needs, comments a social worker of an organisation for the emancipation of women in the North and East.

        Many don’t tell the truth about the sexual abuses. This may be due to the cultural stigma. So they keep the sufferings within their mind and sulk secretly. When the situation is perpetuated they are pushed to the end of committing suicide. Many try all possibilities to get out of the island, the feminist social worker said.

        The situation is the same for the so-called released female cadres, whether in Jaffna, Vanni or in the East, conceded another human rights worker in the island.
        * * *

        A female ex-LTTE cadre, Pallavi (name changed), told TamilNet of her experience when ‘summoned’ to a local camp.

        When ‘summoned,’ one has to first wait for hours in the camp, facing lewd comments coming from the Sinhala soldiers. Then, a low-rank officer would come for sexual assault in the name of ‘interrogation,’ followed by the higher officer, if he is in the ‘mood’. They behave totally in a sadistic way and it is very obvious that they get pleasure from our sufferings, Pallavi said.

        Some of those ‘summoned’ to the local camps used to be sent to regional camps as well as bases in the towns. The story is the same everywhere.

        The SL torture camp at Achchezhu in the Palaali base is a nightmare for former female cadres.

        The Achchezhu torture camp is famous for the ‘disappearances’ of thousands of Tamil youth since 1996. People in Jaffna call the camp as the Slaughter House (I’raichchi-kadai). Sexual assault is a simple matter at this camp.
        * * *

        Another female ex-LTTE cadre came out with shocking facts on the experience of those who are taken to the Palaali base.

        After being ‘summoned’ to the local camp and taken to regional and the Achchezhu camps, some are chosen to ‘meet’ the top officials at Palaali, the ex-cadre said.

        When asked how it becomes possible to take them around without being seen by people, the ex-cadre said that they are taken in white vans or mini buses, sitting along with soldiers in civil dress, so that it would look as though they are passenger vehicles.

        They have a large fleet of those white vans and such vehicles ply to and fro the base without any hindrances, she said.

        Narrating her experience of meeting higher officers at Palaali, another ex-cadre said that after tiring her by interrogation for three hours, she was given with cool drink. The drink fainted her and she awoke to find that she had been sexually assaulted.

        “I couldn’t do anything. I came alive out of that interrogation, crying,” she said.

        “We could go absconding or go out of the country. In those cases they get hold of our family members. It could be my father, mother, brother or sister,” she further said.

        To escape from sexual harassment another ex-cadre from Ki’linochchi used to hide in the houses of friends and relatives. On those occasions her father was assaulted by the SL military and was even hospitalized. Her brothers were threatened that they would be killed.

        For the sake of the family, the ex-cadres accept the ‘summons’ and go back to the SL military camps. On returning to ‘interrogations’ we face sexual assault with more vengeance and sadism, the ex-cadre from Ki’linochchi told TamilNet.
        * * *

        A senior doctor in the Jaffna teaching hospital admitted treating a number of ex-cadres who had attempted committing suicide after ‘interrogation’ sexual assaults.

        Some had been admitted to the hospital after swallowing blade pieces in the camps in their attempts to commit suicide. Some had attempted suicide by immolating themselves after returning from the SL military camps, the doctor said.

        Poverty is attributed to the suicide of some of those who hanged themselves. But there could be other reasons, the doctor further said.

        Vanni is the worst hit region. In Jaffna and in the other towns there are social activists for the consolation of the victims. But no one could raise a finger for what is happening in Vanni.

        The SL military camps mushroomed at very short distances in Vanni aim for the exploitation of the ex-cadres. Going out from the region is the only escape to a former female cadre. The parents would tell the SL military that their daughter has eloped with someone.

        The claim of ‘rehabilitation’ is a farce and the facility in Vavuniyaa is only a showcase, comments an ex-cadre from Vanni.

        The fate of thousands of female cadres who were captured at the end of the war is not accounted yet; claim those who have managed to escape disappearance in the camps after the war.

        Many of us are psychological wrecks after release from the internment camps of the SL military. Many do not go out, meet people or even speak to their family members. Many live only for the sake of their children, says another female cadre.

        Her husband became mentally retarded by the war. Two of her kids were killed in the war. She lives for the sake of three more children remaining.

        Some of them want at least to send their children out. But they have no means.

        Meanwhile, in the cases of some, people who have personal animosities with them or with their families send malicious information, providing opportunities for the occupying military to harass them.
        * * *

        Subhodini Sivalingam

        32-year old, Ms. Subhodini Sivalingam, who recently committed suicide at Polika’ndi in Jaffna, had sacrificed 15 years of her life to the freedom struggle.

        She was partly paralysed after getting injured in a combat operation in 1999 and was serving in the medical service of the LTTE during the Vanni war.

        Her suicide has been attributed to poverty. But informed circles come out with different facts. She had been continuously harassed, interrogated, sexually abused and threatened for her life by the occupying SL military.

        Subhodini, who was also called Paadini, immolated herself in a closed room in the house she was living in at Polika’ndi in Vadamaraadchi, Jaffna.

        Many ex female freedom fighters want to forget the sexual abuses of the genocidal military in the internment camps as a bad dream.

        “But the occupying military has now made it a routine to harass us perpetually. How could we forget anything now,” asks a female cadre.

        “I feel like fighting again. If I get a gun I would kill a particular lot before losing my life,” swore another woman fighter who survived a suicide attempt after sexual assaults and harassments in the SL military camps.”

        http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=35510

      • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

        Dear Thiviya

        Your long list of alleged incidents, cannot be countered by me with any authority. I also lack the resources and skills to investigate such allegations. However, based on what I have seen and heard during visits to the IDP camps in Vavuniya and Chettikulam in 2009-2010 ,multiple visits to Kilinochchi, Mullaitivu and Vavuniya districts after the war,and living in Jaffna for extended periods since January’2011, I have no reasons to believe these allegation to a very large extent.. I make it a point to talk to the stake holders-the public, public servants, teachers,school principals and army personnel- soldiers and officers, whenever the opportunity arises. This is the basis on which I express my opinions,obviously to the discomfort of many.

        What is being reported in theTamilnet and many other websites are definitely unreliable.These websites have obviously agenda. There are also many Sinhala and English websites which lack objectivity and have an axe to grind. It is becoming extremely difficult to identify the truth/facts under these circumstances.
        A multitude of websites are making a mockery of media freedom. There only few websites like GV that permit debate,discussion and the search for truth.

        I can only say that the situation in the north is not as terrible as made out to be. There is tremendous and very visible progress in all aspects of life. There is very palpable hope everywhere, despite the serious problems faced by the poor war-affected. The breakdown in social structures and values is quite palpable and manifests as criminality of all sorts and unacceptable behaviour. These have nothing to with the armed forces. These are issue society has to deal.

        As you are obviously a person interested in the welfare of the Tamils and I assume has not lived or visited Sri Lanka/migrated a long time back, should come here on a long visit to see the post-war ground realities. Debates in GV will never provide you the required answers.

        Dr. Rajasingham Narendran

      • thivya

        //These have nothing to with the armed forces.//

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran,

        Thanks for the reply. Did you read the entire article? The article even gave the names and picture of a Tamil woman who committed suicide. But you are in such a hurry to give the army a clean certificate. I understand that no one wants to risk a white van ride, but you, a Tamil, is giving a clean slate to the army while many neutral non Tamil organizations are worrying about the overwhelming army presence interfering in the day to day lives of the people in the North. I feel like I asked that question to the wrong person. :)

        Are you saying Tamil Net is lying? Not only Tamil Net but other human rights organizations, such as the crisis group also raised their concern about the plight of Tamil women and war widows under the occupation of the mono ethnic Sinhala army. Are you saying they are also lying?

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Thivya,

        I do not give credence to photographs and videos produced these days, unless the source is credible. I have seen pornographic photographs of my brother and his family fabricated and published in some Tamil websites, after he was kept imprisoned in Puthikudiyirippu for sixty days by the LTTE and released under British government pressure. The things they accused him of inorder to grab the temple he had helped establish in London were incredibly crass. They grabbed this temple by very foul means and it is the British Courts that forced them to return the temple with compensation. These acts were beyond the pale and defied all norms of human decency and civilized behaviour. They had no consideration for my brother’s wife and young children.Everything however low was game. The photogaphs you have referred as evidence do not man anything to me, because of this and other experiences.

        Further, I am not white washing anyone, including the armed forces. I am also not passing judgements on the unwarranted, ugly and tragic war. I am only interested in the post-war situation and its effects on the war-affected. Even in this instance, I only believe what I have seen heard and verified.

        I once again suggest you visit Sri Lanka as soon as possible.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Thivya,

        I do not give credence to photographs and videos produced these days, unless the source is credible. I have seen pornographic photographs of my brother and his family fabricated and published in some Tamil websites, after he was kept imprisoned in Puthikudiyirippu for sixty days by the LTTE and released under British government pressure. The things they accused him of inorder to grab the temple he had helped establish in London were incredibly crass. They grabbed this temple by very foul means and it is the British Courts that forced them to return the temple with compensation. These acts were beyond the pale and defied all norms of human decency and civilized behaviour. They had no consideration for my brother’s wife and young children.Everything however low was game. The photogaphs you have referred as evidence do not mean anything to me, because of this and other experiences.

        Further, I am not white washing anyone, including the armed forces. I am also not passing judgements on the unwarranted, ugly and tragic war, instigated under an internationally supervised ceasefire. I am only interested in the post-war situation and its effects on the war-affected. Even in this instance, I only believe what I have seen,heard and verified.

        I once again suggest you visit Sri Lanka as soon as possible to see, hear and verify.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Kumar

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran,
    “It is also a fact that Tamil will survive in Sri Lanka, because of the Muslims.”
    Excellent comment, a genius, very extra ordinary, yes no any Govt’ of Sri Lanka can ignore minority issues & their existence because of Muslims who live hand in glove with Sinhalese for centuries & even during war Muslim contribution was unparallel, one becoming Major general of SL Army. Estate Tamils too slowly come down to this category of living together, thanks to Thonda, so they together give life line to Ceylon Tamils, in fact doing nothing but living with all others brotherly, that’s enough to become a king or kingmaker in Sinhala majority Lanka, not to forget some Kerala princes even became King of Sinhala Kingdom of Kandy.

  • Keynes!

    Off the Cuff, Wijepala, Thivya, David…

    How do you interpret the message of condolence issued by the TNA since the burning of the Mohideen mosque in Batticaloa?

    Is it genuine? Or is to forge an alliance for the forthcoming elections?

    • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

      Is anything genuine in politics? Was CBK’s apology to the Tamils genuine?

      • thivya

        //Was CBK’s apology to the Tamils genuine?//

        No. It was not a formal apology, I heard she mumbled something in an election meeting and the following week she went to South Africa and showed her real Sinhala chauvinistic face in her interview to the South African Television.

        A formal apology to a group of people or a minority must be done in parliament with the approval of all political parties after a debate with the consent of the entire nation. Just like the Canadian government’s apology to the Chinese Canadians for the head tax.

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Well, Thivya, nothing like starting the ball rolling. Why doesn’t the TGTE, TNA, etc apologize to the Muslims for the ethnic cleansing and massacres they committed against them first? You can’t expect justice if you yourself are unjust.

      • thivya

        //Well, Thivya, nothing like starting the ball rolling. Why doesn’t the TGTE, TNA, etc apologize to the Muslims for the ethnic cleansing and massacres they committed against them first? You can’t expect justice if you yourself are unjust.//

        David Blacker,

        I don’t know if this has to do with Sinhala duplicity or stupidity but you make me laugh. Why ask the TGTE and TNA to apologize, when all the bigwigs of the LTTE are in the custody of the Sinhalese? Not to mention the deputy LTTE leader is now the deputy leader of the ruling Sinhala party. If you really think the Muslims deserve an apology from the LTTE, you can even force the senior LTTE leaders (who are still alive and in the custody of the Sinhalese) to apologize. While you are at it, ask the president to apologize to the Tamils for all these massacres. I hope you will start the ball rolling. :)

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Lol, Thivya. I was just pointing out the stupidity of your call for pointless apologies. Thanks for underlining it. :D The SL state doesn’t give a shit about your crocodile apologies. Why should MR apologize; he wasn’t the leader during Sinhala Only, Black july, or any other pogrom, was he? My point was, if you want an apology for the persecution of the Tamil minority, first start by apologizing for your own persecution of the Muslim minority. If you don’t care, neither do we. If you want change, bring the change; if not we can carry on as we are. Cool?

    • thivya

      Keynes,

      The Sinhala president Rajapaksa did not say anything about the burning of the Mosque and he went to get the bleedings of the Monk who destroyed the Dambulla Mosque. Would you interpret that as him being against the Muslims or not wanting to forge any alliance with Muslims? Why attach a motive to TNA’s genuine concern of the growing anti Muslims stance of the Sinhala Buddhists. Tamils are never against the Muslims. As a leader of the Tamil speaking people, Sampanthan expressed his genuine condolence to the burning of the Mosque in the East. There is no alliance between the Muslims and TNA, but there is an understanding to forge a unity government after the election. But the Tamils know the Muslims won’t honour that; they will join the government because the TNA cannot give them minister posts and perks.

    • thivya

      Correction:
      he went to get the BLESSINGS of the Monk who destroyed the Dambulla Mosque.

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        Don’t worry. The dividing line between a blessing and a bleeding is very thin these days.

  • Walter

    Dear Dr.R N

    You are genuinely hoping that Sri Lanka would be an Utopia.
    It is natural,in your position, as you say you are traveling between the North and South you want peace and tranquility.
    But let me assure you that will never happen, you may see a semblance of peace and tranquility but beneath lies the fear of the majority that the minority someday will want to secede.
    The minority on the other hand are divided one section wants to make money at any cost the other younger generation is looking for dignity and freedom.
    It looks to me that you too are divided, you are not sure as to how you could build a bridge that will remain sustained, amid these suspicions.
    I am not a Jaffna Tamil, but have married into one, my wife’s father a Hindu Jaffna Tamil, the mother a Sinhala Buddhist.
    I have traveled to every inch of the Peninsula, I had friends and relatives, after ’83 I have lost all my connections.
    You see Doctor The Jaffna Tamils never saw eye to eye collectively.
    Alfred Duraippa, Amirthalingam and even Inspector Bastiampillai were assasinated because their eye did not meet the eye of the youth.
    On the other hand Anton Balasingham, Prabakaran, Kuttimani etc saw the vacillation and intransigency of the Sinhala Politicians and they knew that the only way to get self determination was confrontation.
    Theoritically they were right, but they lost their focus on reality. If Rajiv Ghandhi was not assasinated the story would have been different.
    Why was Kadirgamar and Tiruchelvam killed?
    Both of them did not take a clear stand.
    They were free to support the Government but they did not point out to the Government the misdeeds they were committing.
    This is similar to what Cardinal Malcom Ranjith did, He went to Geneva with a coterie of similar thinking people, He went to the Vatican to drum up support so that he can come back to Sri Lanka as a hero.
    But he failed as a leader of the Catholic Community of which I am one.
    The G.S.P. was suspended due to violations of Democracy and Human Rights which he preferred to ignore unlike Rayappu Joseph.
    Malcom Ranjith should have first faulted the Government and waited until corrective measures were taken before embarking on this trip hoping for praise like Kadirgamar and Tiruchelvam.
    This is also what Tamara Kukanayagam did, she was hand picked to safeguard a regime with atrocious records.
    Like Kadirgamar and Tiruchelvam she sold her Tamil identity and name.
    People like us do not want anybody assasinated, not even Hitler,But what do minorities do when they are suppressed.
    Why did the original Jvp resort to killing?, because they found that a Democratic process is a long boring and tiresome.
    Doctor you are talking of turning the pages of time, that brings me to the old melody which I hum often “silvered haired daddy of mine”

    • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      Dear Walter,

      Sri Lanka can be and should be made a utopia, because it has the potential to be one. It is we, the people, who have to work towards this. This task cannot be left to our politicians. We have to reconcile as peoples, and understand what is right. Once we know what is right, as individuals and as communities, the politicians will understand what is right. It is a bottoms up process. We do not know what is right and hence our politicians define what is right for them as right for us. We do not think and they decide to think for us.

      Auvaiyar defines the political process in Tamil as follows:

      “Varambuyara neer uyarum,
      Neer uyara nell uyarum,
      Nell uyara kudi uyarum
      Kudi uyara kone uyarvaan”

      Translation:

      “When the ridges in the rice paddies are raised, the level of water in the paddies will rise,
      When the water level rises, the height of the rice plants(& yields) will increase,
      When the height of rice plants increase, the status of the community will be raised,
      When the status of the community increases, the ruler/king will excel in his rule.”

      We have to change, reconcile and progress in both thinking and actions, if the state is to respond in kind. Our ridges- the values- have to be raised, if the values of our rulers are to be raised. If we are rotten, the state will be rotten. We elect those who govern us. They come from our ranks. Can they be any better than we are?

      Let us stop the blaming game and come forward to make this isle, a paradise/utopia. The past is only lesson to improve the future. It cannot be the determinant of our future. The past taught us that Sri Lanka has to be and will be one nation. It is thus imperative that we work towards building an inclusive, just and prosperous nation, that is a beacon to other nations with similar problems. This is what we owe to our children and grand children. It will be slow a process and has to be done brick by brick. What we dismantled brick by brick has to be also built back brick by brick. We the peoples have to start doing this now.

      Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Anpu

        Dear Dr RN,
        I agree we need to be positive and hopeful. But I am not prepared to trust this govt. and people who support it.

        “..We elect those who govern us. They come from our ranks…”
        WE DO NOT ELECT THEM. Did Tamils elect MR? We lost that right of electing people who govern us. It has been taken away. When will you understand this???

        I am not against SINHALEASE. There are many good sinhalease. I too lived in the south and had contacts with many sinhalease and had many sinhalease friends. After leaving the country (nearly 40 years ago), not for economical reason, I have lost contact with them.

        How many broken promises? please read
        http://www.sangam.org/2012/08/Broken_Promises.pdf.
        Thinking that Srilankan readers might not be able to access the above site I am copy the FORWARD written by RAMU MANIVANNAN (Professor & Head-Department of Politics & Public Administration University of Madras)

        In recognition of the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Sri Lankan government and its authorities, we need to ask whether there is a unique case or distinct crime here. The answer is, YES! The genocide of Tamils in Sri Lanka has taken place over a period of time involving several steps and strategies. This includes continuous dismantling and destruction of the essential foundations of human life, of the Tamils in Sri Lanka. To be precise, the Sri Lankan government has employed the ‘doctrine of double effect’, the brutal military resolution of the ethnic conflict combined with the long-term strategy of ethnic cleansing. This ‘doctrine of double effect’ has been the most unmistakable exhibition of the genocidal intent of the State and its Sinhala chauvinism. We need to recognize the fact that the genocidal war was caused to eliminate the defacto State and therefore real ‘reconciliation’ comes only when the national question is internationally addressed and when appropriate steps are taken to this effect by the international community. This volume “Broken Promises- An Historical Record of How Sinhala Leaders Make and Break”, compiled and editedby an eminent scholar-teacher Mr. Thiruunavvukarasu is another remarkable revelation of the Sri Lankan government’s strategy of double speak regarding the Tamil Question.

        The Tamil Question today is more political than ever before after the Sri Lankan government’s attempt to resolve ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka through a brutal military means has been recognized by the growing number of international governments and the global civil society. The criminalisation of the State and politics in Sri Lanka cannot simply be comprehended by the extent of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Sri Lankan armed forces. We need a more organized and methodical approach towards understanding of the Sinhala polity and the culpability of the State for the crimes committed against the innocent Tamils and the genocide of Tamils in Sri Lanka. This edited volume is certainly an important contribution towards understanding of the nature of Sri Lankan polity and the Sinhala chauvinist leadership resulting in the emergence of a rogue State in South Asia.

  • Walter

    Thank you Doctor
    Your hopes, have blinded you from the ground reality.
    I was born and bred in this Country long before you.
    In 1948, I was of age, I was present with a lot of hope and expectations at the Galle Face Green, when I was one of those who welcomed and greeted Independence.
    On that day I was like you, I did not know that there was a majority OR minority.
    The happenings of subsequent years which I will tell you briefly opened my vision. I was forced to accept that I was a Christian and from the Minority.
    I never learned to read and write the Sinhala language but that was never an impediment at that time. I could hardly read and write Tamil either.
    I was inculcated, the highest virtues, which was the standard at that time, and economics and civics, which is why I am in a bewildered state today.
    In 1956 I was again at Galle Face, this time to see a new Prime Minister. I was shocked at the events that followed.
    The crowds turned unruly whenever they saw a car passing with a “White Man” I saw the stones, that were kept for the marine drive,flung at these cars. When the Police intervened The Prime Minister ordered the Police to remain quite. I was flabergasted and now looking for answers.
    Then came 1958, even at this time I was only a Ceylonese.
    I saw in Fort returning after work, crowds were assaulting individuals in Verti and sarong presumably Tamils.
    Even that did not move me away from my belief that I was a Ceylonese.
    Then came the “greatest abominable shock” of my life.
    My brother Leo Fernando and his friend Annesley Mendis were killed for not reciting the “GAHATHA” somewhere near Minneriya.
    In two cars the Irrigation Teechnical Assistants numbering about seven were fleeing the riots towards Colombo. The ladies were sent in the first car. Tarzie Withachchi’s emergency 58 has recorded this.
    I was at the Irrigation Dept. inquiry, my brothers friends all Sinhala Buddhist’s who knew me too were ashamed, also gave evidence.
    But the regret and my animosity was compounded when the murders were allowed to go scot free due to the intervention of C.P.DE Silva who was the minister. You may not believe what I am going to tell you now.
    One of my articles “shameless Lanka” appeared in the Sunday Island dated 27th July 2003. (then I used to write frequently to the press)
    On reading this I received a telephone call from a lady calling herself Mrs.Gunasekara from Nawala. She said to me that her Husband who is now blind wanted to meet me. I agreed and went to Nawala.
    This man called Gunasekara hugged me and started crying.
    He is in the habit of getting his wife to read the papers for him.
    The moment he heard the name Leo Fernando he wanted to meet the one who wrote this article.
    He told me that he was my brothers boss in Minneriya and when the riots started, he sought the permission of the Minister to send a search party for these young men but the Minister totally refused.
    He wanted to tell this to me personally, now Mr.Guanasekara is no more. His wife who knew my brother expressed the same sentiments.

    IT DAWNED ON ME THAT I WAS MINORITY, BY LANGUAGE AND RELIGION.

    This situation never got better, I was threatened in 1983 this confirmed that I now belonged to the Minority.
    NOW IT STANDS THAT WAY AND I KNOW IT WILL NEVER CHANGE.
    ONE MORE POINT DOCTOR, I HAVE NOT DONE A THESIS ON THE GENETIC CODE OF THE SINHALA MAN.
    But I have by evaluation and experience concluded the bottom line, you may be surprised.
    I said you “may” be surprised because you may have concluded what is in my head long before me, but holding it breathlessly in the hope that true “reconciliation” is around the corner.
    Thanks

    • Anpu

      Thanks Walter for writing FACTS and not FICTION. I have given few links for Dr RN to read. He may not be able to access those websites. Those websites has many facts similar to what you have written.

      “..So while a structural, protracted genocide proceeds in the Tamil homeland, the war on the diaspora is waged, as Dr. Sentas has observed, through proscriptions of Tamil organizations, arm-twisting Tamils to drop demands for sovereignty, and by thrusting solutions within a unitary Sri Lanka on the Tamils..”

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Anbu.

        “..So while a structural, protracted genocide proceeds in the Tamil homeland, the war on the diaspora is waged, as Dr. Sentas has observed, through proscriptions of Tamil organizations, arm-twisting Tamils to drop demands for sovereignty, and by thrusting solutions within a unitary Sri Lanka on the Tamils..”

        Your quote does not make any sense to me. Please explain or answer the following:

        1. Which Tamil organizations have been proscribed? If so, what were their objectives?
        2. What is meant by the term ‘Sovereignty’specifically with regard to the Tamils in the north and east, apart from that of the other peoples, including Tamils living in the rest of Sri Lanka? What are its implications?
        3. What is meant by the words “–by thrusting solutions within a unitary Sri Lanka”, in the context of the TNA contesting the PC elections in the east, not withstanding meaninglessness of the PCs, as currently constituted? What is their motive?

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Anpu

        Dear DR RN,
        Thanks for your comments. I am not “Anbu”. I am using the name “Anpu”
        Anpu

  • toyo

    Let us all try to live to in a peaceful manner, wherever in the world.

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Walter,

    Thanks for exposing aspects of your touching personal story. My respects to you also as an elder. I wish more will come forward from all sides of the communal divide to relate their personal stories, that to a large extent influence their perceptions. This will bring about more understanding between the communities and clear misunderstandings and misconceptions. It will be the beginning of a true reconciliation process at the level of the people.

    I too have witnessed what evolved since 1956 and seen and experienced the horrors of ethnic riots and the war, from 1958 onwards. I have experienced the imminent fear of being attacked and killed with my parents and siblings in 1958,run for my life in 1977, been in a refugee camp in 1977, been looted of my possesions several times- 1977 to 2009, felt the fears and tribulations of not knowing the fate of my eldest son and relatives during the 1983 riots,come through the horror of my dear ones killed and left to rot in 1987 and the incarceration of a brother by the LTTE in 2005. I have also been a witness to the blood, gore and tears at the end of the last war and am witnessing the aftermath day after day, yet.

    Yet, I have not given up hope. I have seen more good than evil in the people. I have been the beneficiary of kindness and unforgettable help from the Sinhalese amidst my misery. I see the positive efforts of the government with regard to the war-affected. I see the transformation of the armed forces into a civilian-friendly entity. I see the relationship that is being forged between Tamils civilians and Sinhala soldiers. I have seen the decency in a large majority of the armed forces officers. I have seen the Sinhalese cry over the plight of the Tamils and rush essential suppies from every Sinhala village in Sri Lanka to the IDP camps. The Muslims in the south responded similarly, after the Tsunami. Even the LTTE organized relief to the Tsunami-affected in the South. I have seen the armed forces sharing their dry rations with the war-affected and much more. The soldiers yet help the poor war-affected in the Vanni carry out funerals, with their personal funds. The responses after the Tsunami prompted me to tell my friends that there should be more Tsunamies in Sri Lanka to bring us together as peoples! There is hope in this scenario, despite all the negatives that are reported, exaggerated and invented.

    Amidst all the hopelessness, I see hope, because I see more good men and women than the evil. For me it is a situation pregnant with hope or one that is half-full than half-empty.

    If we do not yet harbour hope we are doomed. It is hope backed by positive efforts towards reconciliation and solutions, that will bring us out of our present probelms. What we- you and I- say, will have more meaning because of our experiences. We have also had the baptism of fire. We are not arm chair preachers. We have to fight on to make our hopes, a reality. This is yet possible in Sri Lanka, despite the prophets of doom and purveyors of gloom.

    Your final paragraph, sums it up beautifully, despite your opening gambit,
    “But I have by evaluation and experience concluded the bottom line, you may be surprised.I said you “may” be surprised because you may have concluded what is in my head long before me, but holding it breathlessly in the hope that true “reconciliation” is around the corner.”

    Thank you once again, Sir!

    Dr. Rajasingham Narendran

  • Alex F

    Reading this blog makes me think the best thing that could happen to this island is that it sinks into the Indian ocean.

    • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      Alex F,

      I surmise that you wish the Tamils should also drown with everyone else, when the island sinks, as per your curse. What prompts you to be so hateful and thus become absurd?

      Dr. Rajasingham Narendran

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Please find below two wikipedia references to the masacres alleged to have been committed by the GOSL forces and the LTTE. Anyone interested can total numbers. However, it is an overall a balance of terror. It is very necessary in the context of Kannan Arunasalam’s presentation, the two equally ugly faces of the Sri Lankan conflict are remembered with revulsion by all citizens. The holier than thou attitude of many is nauseating in the face of a terrible human tragedy.

    1. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_attributed_to_Sri_Lankan_government_forces

    2.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_the_LTTE

    The lists are very likely incomplete.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Anpu,

    What more balance do you need? The Wikipedia can be edited, but there are rules for this. Further, Wikipedia admits the lists are incomplete. How much more gore do you need to be listed for you to accept that both parties have done enough and more.

    It was not a cricket or football match to rejoice at scores. Enough is enough. Let us try to do things in a different way.

    “Ánbitkum undoe addaikum thaal”-Thirukural. Anpu (love) should not have any barriers!

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • walter

    Dr.R.N.
    I agree with Alex F that this Country should sink in the Indian Ocean, but unfortunately that will pollute not only the Indian Ocean but the entire far East, the resulting stench may even go up to Africa Europe and the America’s.
    Doctor, I respect your imagination your prayers and firm wishes that this Country should be an Utopia.
    Your philosophy is like a “Copy Book” perfect in expectations, good for you for whatever subtle reason you are holding to a straw in the midst of a turbulent sea in the hope that reconciliation is around the corner.
    I tell you Sir, that the process of reconciliation have been squandered and now it is in cinders. Your rightful Hope and expectation, I am certain is only a mirage. I note with sorrow that if and when your end comes you will be a very sad man.
    My end is nigh and I am comforted seeing the writing on the wall that certainly not because of what I have predicted with any particular insight, but because of every thing that has happened in this Island.
    The majority of the Sinhala Buddhist’s do not condone all atrocities that have taken place since Independence, but they themselves are caught up in a quandry, as their fellow citizens do not hold and subscribe to the view that the Minorities of this Country are equal stakeholders.
    My particular questions and suspicions are
    Why did the G O S L use heavy weapons, when they promised they would not?
    How and why did the G O S L call this mass murder a “Humanitarian Operation”? Whom did they save? 300,000 prisoners?
    Why did they claim “Zero” casualties?
    Can you trust a Government that accepted that thousands were killed?
    In any other civilized Country the majority would have arisen against the Government for lying and killing thousands of innocent civillians.
    Instead the majority is finding fault with the U N for talking about War Crimes which is in fact is the reality.
    Why is such an Army presence necessary in the North?
    Doctor your expectations are worthy and noble but they don’t come anywhere ground realities. IT IS SAD BUT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Walter,

    Many nations/countries should have sunk in the seas, if history is a yard stick! Ultimately, it is man who is at the heart of both problems and solutions; destruction and construction; decay and progress.

    The story of post-war Germany and Japan, post-genocide Ruwanda and similar situations elsewhere are a beacon. To assume human affairs remain static and moored in the past-however glorious or ugly it may have been, is erroneous.

    I also think it is wrong to link everything to Sinhala-Buddhism and the Sinhala-Buddhist people. It will be as wrong linking all Tamil-Hindus/Christians to the LTTE.

    Yes, the Sri Lankan state made mistakes in the past and continues to make mistakes now. The same Sri Lankan state yet supplied food, ran schools and provided heatlth services throughout the long years of war. The same Sri Lankan state housed the war-displaced and provided clothing, health care, food and education, after the war. The same Sri Lankan state is investing in returning the war-affected areas to a normacy comparable to the rest of Sri Lanka. These are the positives we forget to mention, while harping on mistakes. This does not behoove as a people!

    If there is war on the scale we had there will be civilian casualties. In a war fought in an all-Tamil area, there will be exclusively Tamil civilian casualities. In a war, where the Tamil civilians were deliberately used as sand bags by the LTTE, there will be excessive Tamil casualities. To assume otherwise will be foolish, if not naive.
    It was very clever of the Sri Lankan state, headed at that time by J.R.Jayawardene to take the war to the north and east. It was fought to an ugly finish there. It was very stupid of the LTTE to have not understood this and to have instigated and fought the ‘Final war’in the Vanni, where it was cornered. The LTTE should have been more concerned about the welfare of Tamil civilians!

    The LTTE, always set the pace in innovation and introduction of modern light and heavy weapons on both land and sea. There were also moving in the same direction with regard to the air. The Sri Lankan armed forces, were always a step behind until the final war.

    The LTTE was more callous towards human life than the state armed forces and throughout its history operated when cornered from amongst and behind civilians to provoke ugly humanitarian disasters. This was its modus operandi!

    The survivors of the final war, have told me how the LTTE fired heavy weapons from amongst and behind them at the armed forces. The army then retaliated with small arm fire. When the LTTE continued to fire heavy weapons at the army, the army fired heavy weapons in return. The LTTE then ceased fire. The LTTE also prevented the civilians from escaping with gun fire! The civilians paid the ultimate price!

    The conditions that led to the wars, should not repeat. Name calling would not help or create a conducive atmosphere. Let us identify issues that matter now and address them. Let us demand solutions to these issues in a calm and collected manner. Let us not misuse words and resort to sloganeering.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • walter

    Doctor Dear,
    I will do my best to respond to your detailed observations, may be not to the point because I do not have statistics to prove you wrong or myself being right.
    You are philosophical,and well within your rights to talk of Germany, Japan, and Ruwanda, which however has no relevance.
    This is a copy book statement, a sentiment which plays for time, inside a vacuum and beneath it, there are no defined parameters. This could never stand the test of time and a tired, harressed, deprived Community.
    I am not linking the Sinhala Buddhist’s individually or personally.
    However one cannot dodge, the logical irresistible conclusion, that firstly the Politicians are to be blamed, secondly it is the Sinhala Buddhis’s that elected them.
    A voting population of about 14 million encompasses nearly 11 million Sinhala Buddhist votes. That is the reality, therefore the responsibility lies with them, whether U.N.P. S.L.F.P. or J.V.P.
    The Christians were and are being associated with the L.T.T.E.
    Bishop Rayappu Joseph is one of the victims. At one point of time ,the Bishops of Mannar, Jaffna, and Trincomalee refused to participate with the Bishops Conference in Colombo, because the rest of the Bishops who were Sinhala took a stand with the Government. That was due to the Arch Bishop supporting the Government. Eventually the Vatican intervened.
    Today Cardinal Malcom Ranjith is doing the same thing, history being repeated. After Bishop Rayappu’s outburst, Malcom Ranjith is subdued.
    The clergy’s responsibility is to look after the well being of their flock, that’s why Churches and Temples are opened for the displaced.
    Talking about sending food to the war torn areas, an elected Government is obliged, these are not favour’s.
    If the Government did not send essentials, that would have meant that the Government has conceded that there is a new State.
    Then like what India did, the International Community would have also dropped aid as a first step, the rest will follow as you know.
    The is no argument about the L.T.T.E. using non acceptable methods during this war, but remember that the L.T.T.E. was not elected, they did not take oaths to protect a Constitution, they were non state actors.
    But what did the elected Government do?
    Their armed services were unleashed, ran amok, these are not revealed publicly, you hailing from Jaffna I am sure you would have had an insight to at least some of these atrocities, I respect that you do not want to put that information to the public domain.
    However I was aware through the International Media about the inhuman treatment of the Tamils, by an elected Government and its agents.
    Conditions and circumstances for separation still exists, no amount of rhetoric and pacific theories can submerge these ideologies.
    You are saying that in a war “civillians” get killed, you are more a mouthpiece of the Government, than one, who has sympathy for the innocent Tamils who were forcibly made a part of this war.
    The Government should have sent foot soldiers to battle with the LTTE, picking them up individually, not carpet bombing to avoid their own casualties.
    Doctor you are going in a circuitous route, you are indirectly condoning the terrors unleashed by the Government, You merely applying icing to a cake that cannot be eaten.
    You may be having subtle interest in what you are propagating.
    As for me I am a minority in language and religion, I and my family are not Tamil, Tamils. (The Jaffna Tamils are Tamil Tamils) that is essentially a selfish lot, propagating only their interest.
    I want equality no matter what, I want total freedom, for the entire Community. I am not willing to compromise.
    If the Governments made diabolical mistakes by giving preferences to Language and Religion, they must rectify it, no matter at what cost.
    Why should a minority pay and that too, to pay heavily for the misadventures of the Governments.
    SIR, THE SINHALA NATIONALITY AS A WHOLE HAVE A GENETIC PROBLEM.
    THIS COLUMN IS TOO SMALL AN AUDIENCE FOR ELABORATION.
    THEY BELIEVE THAT A MAJORITY CAN STEAM ROLL A MINORITY AND STEAL THEIR RIGHT’S AND ASPIRATIONS.
    This is Democratic Dictatorship.
    In a true Democracy what matters is, respect of the minority, their aspirations, equality, justice, fair play and merit.
    NO OTHER YARDSTICK SHOULD BE APPLIED.

    • Navin

      SIR, THE SINHALA NATIONALITY AS A WHOLE HAVE A GENETIC PROBLEM.

      I pity you.

    • Off the Cuff

      Dear Walter,

      As an 82 year old, you would be aware how the Public Service was populated before and immediately after Independence.

      You would therefore be aware how Sinhala Nationalism grew and why.

      Prof Brian Blodgett, often quoted by Tamils and web sites such as Sangam.org for another purpose, makes the following observation about the Army, in his book, “Sri Lanka’s Military:The Search For A Mission.”

      Extract from page 37
      Personnel
      Ethnically and religiously, the army’s officer corps did not match the country’s demographics. In 1956, the army’s officers were 50 percent Sinhalese, 20 percent Jaffna Tamils, and 20 percent Burghers, and 10 percent non-Burgher Europeans. Based on 1953 census (Sinhalese 80 percent, Jaffna Tamils 11 percent, and Burgers and Eurasians less than 1 percent), the Sinhalese were under-represented and Jaffna Tamils and Burghers over represented.

      Religiously, Christians composed 50 percent of the army, Buddhist 40 percent, and Hindus 10 percent. Based on the 1953 census (Christians 9 percent, Buddhists 64 percent, and Hindus 20 percent), Christians were over-represented and the other two religions under-represented.
      End extract

      The situation in the Army, pervaded the Public Service too

      Blodgett has this to say on Page 18

      Because of Britain’s “divide-and rule”policies, English authorities in Sri Lanka favored the Jaffna Tamils at the expense of the Sinhalese. After independence, this resulted in the Sinhalese wanting to restore their language and culture to “its rightful place of prominence and dominance.”

      As a community, you were the beneficiaries of favours that was deprived to a majority.

      The attempts made by the Tamil Tamils (as you call them) to perpetuate the favoured status, created the Sinhala Nationalism. It was a reaction to the deprivation that the majority was subjected to.

      The Tamil aspirations that do not take into account the aspirations of the rest of the population has caused problems to snowball to a level that you did not bargain for. Specifically, the Sinhalese believe that ALL citizens of Lanka have a right to enjoy the resources of Lanka equally. The Tamils believe that they have an exclusive right to what they call the Historical Tamil Homeland, which constitute over Half the Public Land in Sri Lanka. The State owns about 85% of Sri Lanka’s Land mass (including inland waters).

      Sri Lanka’s Land is divided as follows
      Private Land 15%
      Public Land 85%

      Land claimed by Northern Tamils 45%
      Land left for all others 40%
      (Sinhalese, Indian origin Tamils, Muslims, Malays, Burghers and Veddahs etc)

      The exclusive use of 45% of Lanka’s land mass for a Tamil population of just 10% is the Aspiration of the Northern Tamil Community, the Tamil Tamils that you have identified.

      This also entails the exclusive use of 60% of the Sea Coast for them.

      Exclusive Ownership of Resources, that lie within this area (Land and Sea) discovered and yet to be discovered is also the Aspiration of the Tamil Tamils.

      This is the EQUALITY that the Tamils, with Tamil Tamil Aspirations, talk about.

      However, it must be acknowledged that not all of them are such hypocrites. We have Jaffna Tamils who see the injustice and have moderate views and are unafraid to express them publicly, despite the venom directed at them, by those with opposing views.

      And you write about Genetic faults of the Sinhalese, forgetting that Tamils and Sinhalese share 55% of it.

      The day Tamils stop attempting to usurp a Disproportionate share of Lanka’s resources, the Sinhala Nationalism, which is a response to it, will subside.

      Are the Tamils ready for it?

      • thivya

        //Prof Brian Blodgett, often quoted by Tamils and web sites such as Sangam.org for another purpose, makes the following observation about the Army, in his book, “Sri Lanka’s Military:The Search For A Mission.//

        OTC,

        This is a perfect example for the cunning duplicity of the Sinhala Buddhist chauvinists. Prof Brian Blodgett is a military analyst, not a historian and the Tamil website sangam.org quoted his article to show that the Sri Lankan armed forces are overwhelming ethnic Sinhalese. The Sinhala spin doctors are also beginning to use him to twist the history as usual. This is the reason the Tamil people do not trust any thing said by the Sinhala academics and politicians and ask for outside observers because based on the past performance of the Sinhala people they cannot be trusted.

        // ALL citizens of Lanka have a right to enjoy the resources of Lanka equally. The Tamils believe that they have an exclusive right to what they call the Historical Tamil Homeland, which constitute over Half the Public Land in Sri Lanka. The State owns about 85% of Sri Lanka’s Land mass (including inland waters).//

        Eelam Tamils in general, even the much vilified Jaffna Tamils, are not against the Sinhala people. I spoke to many Tamil elders, they all had Sinhala friends and the Sinhalese were living in Jaffna without any trouble. Even during the race riots from 1956, the timid and peace loving Tamils did not attack any Sinhalese in Jaffna. My grandmother a staunch Saivite, mentioned that when she was little she visited the Sinhala Buddhist temple in Jaffna with her parents.

        The Tamils are NOT against the free movement of all Sri Lankans from coast to coast of Sri Lanka. Tamils are willing to embrace and show the legendary Tamil hospitality to any Sinhalese who is willing to leave the lush green Sinhala south and settle in the arid land in the North on their own without the connivance of the military and Sinhala state officials.

        The Tamils are only against the state sponsored colonization/Ethnic cleansing going on in the name of development from the days of independence. The Tamils living in Colombo and in the South are not settled by the government. They moved there voluntarily with their own money for economical reasons and to escape the atrocities of Sinhala armed forces in the war zone.

        Not only the countries where the population is multi ethnic, but even in European countries where the population is homogeneous, consider the opinion of the people of the particular region and include them in the decision making process when the government starts any development project. The first priority, in land distribution and employment opportunities, will be given to the inhabitants of that region. The TNA, the representatives of the North East Tamils are not included in any developmement committee and the mono Ethnic Sinhala army officials are in charge of the so called development projects in the North East.

        For example, the Canadian government would not dare to start a development project using the abundance of natural resources in Quebce and settle the English speakers ignoring the French Quebeckers and the native Canadians in the region. Similarly the Indian government won’t create any racially motivated project in Kashmir valley to make the Kashmiri Muslims a minority in their own villages. But the Sinhala government has been doing that for more than 60 years in the North – East under the disguise of development.

        The Tamil IDP’s are languishing in makeshift tents along the road sides while the foreign aid received to settle them is being used to build fancy houses for Sinhala settlers in the historic habitat of Tamils. From Jaffna to Amparai, the entire coast is being occupied by the Sinhala fishermen. After this program (please see the video) by the French journalists, the GOSL did not allow any independent Western Journalists to the North East to film the state sponsored Sinhala settlements going on in the North East to make the Tamils a minority. But still some Tamil surrender agents who have no guts to oppose the state sponsored Sinhala settlement in the North East want the Tamils to trust the Sinhala people, and elect the Sinhala politicians and quislings in the North East to complete the Sinhalization project without any opposition from the Tamil people. I think some Tamil’s individual friendships with the Sinhala people cannot be and should not be used as a measure to judge the collective Sinhala racism.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZhS9_ubJFA

        After the demise of LTTE, the Sinhalese think they are the rulers of Tamils. They have started to act on the Mahavamsa stories, and think the entire North – East is up for grab and that the Tamils must learn to live at the mercy of the Sinhalese. Instead of researching the true history of Sri Lanka, the so called Sinhala ‘archeologists’ and anti Tamil Sinhala monks are looking for clues in the North East to validate the Mahavamsa stories, are planting Buddha statues everywhere Tamils live, and are claiming that all of Sri Lanka belongs to Sinhala Buddhists only.

        When the Sinhala aggressors were at the Tamil’s doorstep to grab their homes and villages and destroy the Tamil’s way of life, what other choice did the Tamils have other than confronting the Sinhalese with every means available to safeguard their homeland? Not only Tamil men and women, but even their children fought back to defend their homeland. They lost due to the treachery of Tamil quislings and external forces, not because of the bravery of the Sinhala Veera Soorayas.

        //The day Tamils stop attempting to usurp a Disproportionate share of Lanka’s resources, the Sinhala Nationalism, which is a response to it, will subside.//
        The people who live in a particular region for generations cannot be called usurpers of that region. The usurpers are the new comers and settlers, who want to illegally grab the land and resources without the consent of the inhabitants of the region, and who are trying to make them minorities in their own historic habitat. As long as the Sinhalese desire to grab and occupy the Tamil’s historic habitat using their sheer number in population – with the help of the Mono ethnic Sinhala army- not only the Eelam Tamils, but the entire Tamil nation around the globe will respond to the Sinhala Nationalism.

        //Are the Tamils ready for it?//
        Anyone who knows the history of Tamils will tell you that the Tamils are always ready for it.

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Thivya,

        Unlike you, who has read only TWO LINES of Prof Brian Blodgett that Sangam.org reproduced, I have access to the whole book.

        You made a fool of yourself by quoting what Prof Blodgett said of the SL Army as you had no way of checking the veracity of the claim.

        You were Parroting Sangam.org and intelligence is not needed to do that.

        You say “Prof Brian Blodgett is a military analyst, not a historian and the Tamil website sangam.org quoted his article to show that the Sri Lankan armed forces are overwhelming ethnic Sinhalese.”

        Are you trying to tell the GV readership that your own reference does not know how to carry out research? Are you now saying that the American Universities are using his book to teach but he writes what he writes without references? It was because he uses extensive references as a source authority for his statements, that I could prove the statement that Sangam.org used and you Parroted so gleefully, was wrong.

        Sangam and you are BOTH Liars.

        Blodgett did not say that the “Sri Lankan armed forces are overwhelming ethnic Sinhalese”
        This is what you claimed that Blodgett wrote on August 18, 2012 • 11:53 am

        “in 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army.”

        The Authority quoted by Blodgett is “World Armies” by John Keegan page 651 published in 1979 (please refer to Blodgett’s book)

        You and Sangam overlooked the significance of the word Buddhist in that statement.

        Both of you overlooked the fact that 1962 is 50 years in the past. Very Intelligent indeed!!!

        If the statement was true, then today the SL Forces should be a 100% Buddhist.

        This would have excluded even Sinhala Christians.
        Only an Idiot would claim that the SL forces do not have Sinhala Christians within it even today.

        You nor Sangam could provide any references to this purported policy of 1962.

        No reference number of the Ceylon Gazette.
        No reference number of Army Orders.
        Sangam Lied and you Parroted Sangam.

        I thank you for bringing up Prof Blodgett because now I own a copy.

        The abve matter was discussed and dealt with.
        The historical Tamil areas were discussed and dealt with.
        You could not prove any Historical Tamil habitation beyond Elephant Pass in the East. Why then are you repeating old rubbish over again? Operating the Nazi Geobel’s Theory?

        The Duplicity is trying to use arbitrary British administrative divisions to Grab Disproportionate Land which was uninhabited and was Jungle historically. Even in 1881 the forest cover of Lanka was 84%. When only 16% of Lanka’s land was inhabited in late 19 century, you brazenly claim that a very small Tamil population, which even in 1881 was about 350,000 occupied 45% of Lanka’s Land?

        12 Tamils per sq km !!!

        Ludicrous, this is robbery.

        I will deal with the rest of the rubbish that you have written and give the authority used by Prof Blodgett re the “Divide and Rule” statement, after I see what Walter, the person whom I addressed, has to say. Till then, you can keep spinning more yarns like the above.

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Off the Cuff,

        Re: The favoured status enjoyed by Tamils during British colonial rule;

        This situation came about more by accident than by deliberate intent/design-from either the British or the Jaffna Tamils. It was definitely not a result of a divide and rule policy implemented by the British as many claim.

        The system of ‘Thinnai Pallikuudams’(Verandah schools)was widespread in Jaffna, before the advent of colonialism, where the learned elders taught the youth at the behest of interested parents. This was largely limited to the powerful Vellala community. There was also a traditional interest to learn and a tradition of learning among this community.

        This provided the framework for what happened subsequently.

        The American Missionaries who evinced an interest in missionary work in Ceylon, at a time when the American ‘War for independence’ from the British was raging, were directed by the British colonial governor in Colombo to commence their activities in the Jaffna peninsula-considered the furthest from Colombo and a God-forsaken place. These American Missionaries with the vast funds available to them, did yeoman work in Jaffna in the field of education. They created ample opportunities for boys and girls to attend school, learn English and of course become ‘Çivilized’ on the Western model. Conversions to ‘Ánglican’ Christianity and anglicization of names, of course went hand in hand with this efort. The first medical school in Ceylon/Sri lanka was established by these missionaries in Jaffna. There was an overwhelming response from the Jaffna Tamils, given the background of ‘Verandah Schools’.

        The Catholics and the Hindus also responded to this demand, and to protect their religious domains established many Catholic and Hindu schools. The British colonial government with time also chipped in to establish many vernacular schools. Jaffna thus had a concentration of high quality schools at independence, comparable or even surpassing Colombo. All schools were of course geared to produce the cogs and wheels for the colonial administration.

        The result was while education become an industry in Jaffna, Jaffna did not have the capacity to absorb these young men and women into gainful employement. The demand in the expanding colonial government services, developing plantation sector and the developing business sector in the South, provided the opportunities and demand for the Jaffna Tamils to move out of the peninsula. The Colonial civil services in Malaya and Singapore also created a demand for educated Jaffna Tamils.

        These set of circumstances and opportunities did not prevail for the Tamils in the Vanni or the East and they lagged considerably behind the Jaffna Tamils.

        Unfortunately, these circumstancial advantages created a particular mindset among the Jaffna Tamils, as to their cleverness and ability over others- other Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims. Their desire for employment in government service and the attendent security, had almost become pathological at independence. A popular proverb among the Jaffna Tamils was,” Koeli meiythaulum, kornamenthila meikavernum” (Even if one rears chicken, he has to do it government service.)

        The Jaffna Tamils were no doubt exemplary and hard working employees. The work ethic and desire for excellence were bestowed on them by the Tamil culture related work ethos. Hard work was their hallmark, as the Jaffna terrain and climate dictated that they work really hard hard to survive.

        When this culture was challenged in independent Sri Lanka, creating negetive pressures on government employment and university access, the Jaffna Tamils felt let down, discriminated and misgoverned. The Sri Lankan government had to of course respond to the increasing damand from the Sinhalese for a share of the economic pie that their numbers warranted. This was legitimate and just. However, the manner inwhich the governments and the Tamils responded to this demand were shortsighted and grievously wrong.

        The Tamils who had willingly learned English while retaining their language and culture in large measure, refused to learn Sinhala, egged on my their political masters. The Tamil political leadership even protested against the establishment of the university in Jaffna, even though it compensated in many ways for the adbverse effects of the standardization scheme for university admissions on the Jaffna Tamils.

        Tamils were victims of the new chapter in Ceylon’s/ Sri Lankan history that began to evolve after independence. They were not prepared for the new challenges by the short sighted Tamil politicians and community leaders. Further, the post-independence governments, did not pay any attention what-so-ever to their circumstantial concerns and the impact-shock,dismay and livelihood concerns- their policies would have on them. The new circumstances were a sudden reversal of circumstances that had evolved over nearly two centuries.

        The Jaffna Tamils were victims of history, who failed to read the new circumstances correctly and respond accordingly. They had grounds to believe and were made to believe that Sinhala-dominated governments had let them down. The solution prposed by Tamil politicians was an indepenedent state of their own within Sri Lanka, where they were told, they would not be discriminated or brutalized. This was swallowed lock, stock and barrel by many Tamils. The jaffna Tamils also made their problem the problem of all Tamils.

        The medicine prescribed by their politicians have proved to be more lethal to the Tamils than the origibnal ailment. The same or similar medicine is yet being prescribed to them by Tamil politicians.

        This problem underlines everything that unfolded in independent and yet plagues us now.

        Dr.Rakasingham Narendran

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Dr Rajasingham Narendran,

        It was indeed a pleasure to read your comment sans the racist rhetoric that I have had to deal with before.

        I have read that the Divide and Rule policy of the Brits was not localised to Lanka but was visible throughout their colonies. At that time, I had no interest in the remarks that I read and had not made any records of it. However after having to defend our country against propaganda by a racist Tamil Diaspora, I took an interest in studying the effects of colonialism on Lanka.

        Though I would have preferred to see what the Octogenarian Walter, had to say regarding the govt service, before and after independence, in deference to my respect for you, I give below the references used by Prof Brian Blodgett in making the statement re Brits Divide and Rule policy.

        Extract
        Because of Britain’s “divide-and rule”policies, English authorities in Sri Lanka favored the Jaffna
        Tamils at the expense of the Sinhalese. After independence, this resulted in the Sinhalese wanting to restore their language and culture to “its rightful place of prominence and dominance.

        Reference – Neil DeVotta, “Control Democracy, Institutional Decay, and the Quest for Eelam: Explaining Ethnic Conflict in Sri Lanka,” Pacific Affairs 73, no. 1 (January 2000): 58.

        After Independence, the Ceylonese government passed several laws that eased the way for Sinhalese into positions formerly held by Jaffna Tamils and limited the chances of Jaffna Tamils
        to gain others. This was the beginning of ethnic problems that mark the majority of the country’s recent history.

        Reference – DeVotta, 58; Ross, 78.

        It was indeed short sighted to replace English, which was the Language of the Court system and Administration, which in my estimation, was not understood by over 95% of the population by Sinhala, that was not understood by about 20% of the population. This was an injustice perpetrated on the section of our population who understood only Tamil.

        A litigant or an accused could not converse with Court. They had to go through official Interpreters most of who were corrupt and did not accurately translate, to the detriment of those who sought Justice. Many innocents, lost their Freedom, Life, lively hood and their possessions without ever knowing why. Hence there was a sound case for replacing English with the Vernacular.

        SWRD should have listened to the Tamils and the Left political parties and replaced English by BOTH Tamil and Sinhala. Today Tamil has National language status in only two countries of the world, Singapore and Sri Lanka. True at the grass roots level, within the administration, Tamil has not reached the Tamil speakers to the same extent that Sinhala had progressed. This is what we have to fight for and this is not that difficult to achieve.

        The Language barrier will not exist in 10 years time as by then every one exiting the Secondary schools system will know Tamil, Sinhala and English. Today all three languages are taught in school to everybody. This should have happened immediately after Independence. But short sighted education policies has landed us in this mess. If only CWWK introduced the current Language Education policy, along with free education there would have been no language issue today.

        It will take a little time for me to collate data about education during the colonial era, some of which, I had already placed before the GV readership in a previous discussion.

        What Walter calls the Tamil Tamils were the powerful Vellala’s. Of course there were right thinking and upstanding persons within the Vellalas. I agree with you that the Vellala Elitists projected their views as that of the Tamils.

        Here is a small example of the oppression they practised from a Tamil who now lives in Canada,
        Sebastian Rasalingam.

        “I for one was brought up in Jaffna, lived in Mannar, Hatton and Colombo. Thanks to my son I managed to get to Canada for my last days. I managed to get a bit of education because our family were christians, although today I value the richer Hindu tradition (but without its caste system).

        In the early days at school I had my own little stool that I took from class to class as I could not aspire to sit on normal-sized chairs.

        It was in Hatton that I acquired my wife who is from the Indian estate-Tamil community. When I arrived in Colombo I was actually treated with a bit more dignity by the Sinhalese and even the Tamils.
        End quote

        Mr Ponnambalam Ramanathan was a man who even attempted to get the caste system included in the legislative enactments says SR.

        This was how the Ruling Class of Elitist Tamils treated their own Race.

      • Anpu

        Dear Dr RN,

        I agree with most of what you have writen in
        http://groundviews.org/2012/08/06/the-kattankudy-mosque-massacre-in-sri-lanka-22-years-after/#comment-48191

        From the begining of this comment to the point just above the following
        “..The Tamils who had willingly learned English while retaining their language and culture in large measure, refused to learn Sinhala, egged on my their political masters..”

        Most Tamils refused to learn SINHALA when SINHALA was FORCED on them.

        Anpu

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Anpu,

        “Most Tamils refused to learn SINHALA when SINHALA was FORCED on them. “

        I too agree with the above. They should have simultaneously forced Tamil on the Sinhalese.

        It was the same reason why the majority of Sinhalese refused to learn English as Christianity and English was forced on them.

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Dear Off the Cuff,

        Although I have not read Prof. Brian Blodgett’s book, having read your quote on ‘Divide and Rule’, I feel he has erred in lending credibility to what is commonly believed by many.

        Please read K.M.D.De Silva’s ‘A History of Sri Lanka’,Delhi Oxford University Press, 11981. The chapters on ‘The consolidation of British rule (23), Education and social change in the late nineteenth century (24) and Religion and the rise of nationalism, c 1870-1900 (25), are very informtive. Although, he does not specifically refer to the role of the American Missionaries in Jaffna, he provides insights into the development of education in the districts of North-Western, South -Western, and the Northern provinces. He says there was a lively interest in education in these provinces.

        De Silva quotes, the Governer, Sir Henry MacCallum (page 327) writing in 1910,

        “Even for many who have not found it possible personally to visit Europe, education of a purely European type has become easily accessible and has been sought with eagerness. This had led, in my opinion, not to the transformation in the bulk of the population, but to the creation of,or, at any rate, to a great extension in the matter of numerical strength of, a class of natives which formerly was almost a negligible quantity.

        It is precisely the acquisition of European ideas and the adoption of European in preference to Ceylonese civilization that differentiates this class of Ceylonese from their countrymen…( and separates them) by a wide gulf from the majority of the native inhabtants of the Colony. Their ideas, their aspirations, their interests are distinctly their own, are all moulded upon European models, and are no longer those of the majority of their countryman”.

        This phenonmenon led to the clash of civilizations within Sri both within the Sinhala people-the Elite and the Gamayass- and between the Sinhalese Elite and Tamil Elite. The battle yet continues!

        De Silva also says most of the non-government and non-missionary schools were established in the low country-in both Sinhalese and Tamils areas-where there was already a comprehensive and expanding network of schools run by the missionaries and the government. He says as a result of this pattern of growth, low-counytrty Sinhalese and the Tamils left the Kandyans far behind in education.

        De Silva also says, in terms of numbers the increase in schools between 1869 and 1878 was lopsided. In terms of numbers, the increase in numbers were in vernacular schools. The quality of education ibn these schools was generally poor, and the teachers were incompetent. The situation was worst in more remote and backward areas. I 1883,two-thirds of the boys and five-sixth of the girls in the island had no education at all.

        The Jaffna peninsula no doubt had an advantage in terms of the above scenario. The education in the vernacular schools also was much better than in most other areas in Sri Lanka. The non-Vellalla castes benefitted to a great extent from these vernacular schools and contributed to the upward mobility of some of these castes.

        The point I want to make is that my contention that Jaffna was not favored or made a part of a grand divide and rule conspiracy holds. The question that is not answered by many is why the Jaffna Tamils should have been favoured over other Tamils by the Colonialist British?

        Anpu,

        The lure of employment and a better life, induced many Tamils to seek English language-based education in the Colonial era. Many elite in this group spoke Tamil- quite broken too- only with their servants! They are also learning German, French, Norwegian and Swedish, whereever they live now. Their children rarely speak Tamil now. The learned English and are now learning other European languages, because of economic imperatives. The British insist on migrants showing minimum competency in English, before granting citizenship to immigrants. Is’nt this force? Why are these economic imperatives not considered ‘Forced’? What would have been wrong in learning Sinhala and retaining their competiveness? Why should many Tamil public servants have retired prematurely, without opting to learn Sinhala, at the behest of the Federal Party? I think it was important that Tamil public servants learn Sinhala to serve in Sinhala areas, considering their large proportion within the public service. Colonialism and the dominance of English was coming to an end and the ordinary ‘Gamaya’ had to be served in his language! By these foolish acts alone, the Tamils undermined their presence in the public service!

        Of course, although there were incentives offered for Sinahal public servants to learn Tamil, the rule were not strictly enforced.

        More Sinhala children are learning Tamil today than the Tamil students are learning Sinhala. Sinhala parents are also sending their children for private tution in Tamils. There are progressive people who are beginning to adjust to the needsof the times ahead. Why do we Tamils always make the wrong decisions, when confronted with problems and issues, within Sri Lanka?

        Most Muslims are tri-lingual now and are represented in all sheres of employment.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Anpu

        Dear Dr RN,
        Thanks.
        You know the diference between the “force” you are refering and the “force” I am refering.

        Anpu

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Anpu,

        ‘Force’ can come in many forms- violent or passive. It can also be a combination of the carrot and the stick .

        The point I was making in related comments above was that the Tamils were not ready/readied to deal with the changing scenario in independent Sri Lanka and that the Sinhala political elite were terribly wrong in the manner they dealt with rightful demands of the Sinhala people. Both the Sinhalese and Tamils who were not ‘Énglish educated’- continued to be ruled by ‘Brown Sahibs’ made in the image of the former colonial masters, even after independence. They were administered in English, a language they did not understand. They were rendered illiterate by the system. Independence did not mean anything to them. They were denied opportunties because they did not know English. This was a fundamental problem that had to be resolved by the ruling politicians. However, how they responded was quite perverse and very partisan. The Tamils who were unfamilar with English and hence were oppressed, continued to be oppressed by the substitution of English with Sinhala! They were forced to be functionally illiterate, along with the English educated Tamils who had hitherto shared the ‘Brown sahib’ advantage. The ‘Force’ you refer to is what I call ‘terribly wrong’. How the baby (the positive legacy of colonial governance) was thrown out along with the bath water (over dominance of English and ‘Brown sahibism’) is another phenomenon to be regretted.

        The ensuing conflict which assumed unforeseen dimensions has to be rolled back in the interest of the Sri Lankan Tamils who have to live in this island by choice or lack of other choices. The language issue has different dimensions now and is largely related to implementation of existing laws. The other issues that arose from the language-related conflict-university admissions and employment, have been rendered largely irrelevant by time and the changes that have come about in the Tamil mindset- readyness to take risks and to be adventurous in seeking higher education/employment/livelihood. The land issues are largely exaggerated and have no relevance in terms of demography, the results of the war and a united Sri Lanka. The world has opened out to everyone! “Yaathum urray, Yaavaruum kerleer” ( The whole world is our village). The other issues- law and order and good governance- are are of concern to all Sri Lankans. Organized mass violence directed at the Tamils, is very unlikely to repeat.

        However, the resuscitation of the war-affected as humans, Tamils and as a social and cultural entity is the main and most important concern. The Tamils have to explore means of integrating into a larger Sri Lanka, while retaining their Tamil identity. This has nothing to do with land and territory. If we want to stay in the north and the east, there is nothing to stop us. However, if we choose to migrate within and to other countries, then with time we will become a smaller minority nationally and a minority in the north and east. Arable land cannot remain empty and unused in a national context. I get very upset, when I see Diaspora Tamils descending in Jaffna to sell their lands. I ask them, are you trying to sell a piece of the Eelam you backed for so long- willingly or unwillingly; through force or consent- to the detriment of the people living here?

        A community like the Sri Lankan Tamils should be guided by long term and viable objectives and not respond to events with knee-jerk reactions. These knee-jerk reactions have been obviously counter-productive. Even the long war fought over almost thirty years has been extremely counter-productive. We have to also try to learn what are the facts/truth and what is the real ground situation, although this is very difficult amidst the propaganda war that is being waged now. The comments here are also largely part of that effort. The past is very hurting, but the future demands that it be forgiven. Much hurt has been caused in our name too. The present is hurting a people rendered vulnerable by the wars, much much more.

        I hope and pray the objectives- forgiveness and reconciliation- of Kannan Arunsalam’s narrative on the Kanthankudi massacre as an ugly event, is achieved.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    • Sathasivam Sivaraja

      Dear Walter

      Well said!!

      For 3 years the Sri Lanka Army soldiers are following the desperate Tamil families fleeing the brutal bombardment by Sri Lanka Air force and seeing decapitated Tamil tots or whole Tamil families wiped out in one go only a pair of legs are found or piles of starving elderly, women, children dead or dying …

      How many Sri Lanka soldiers, Sri Lanka people were protesting to stop this insane brutally ??

      Quite the opposite, most of them calling for more blood, more killing, more mass murderer ..

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Really, Sivarajah? And when the Tigers were assassinating SL officials, sending suicide bombers, conscripting little tots, and otherwise dragging this country back to war, why didn’t you Tamils protest against it? When Ranil Wickramasinghe was offering half the country to the Tigers, and the Tigers instead put Mahinda Rajapakse on the throne, why didn’t you Tamils tell them to stop? It is your Tamil Tigers that are responsible for that war, and I doubt you’d be lamenting the poor blown up people if the Tigers had won.

      • Sathasivam Sivaraja

        Oh, really…. David [edited out]

        How quickly you forgot, your own harrowing experience where you barely escaped death from Racist Sinhala Mob in 1983 because you have a drop of Tamil blood in you??

        How quickly you forgot those Tamils who succumbed to inhuman Sinhala brutality in 1983, 2009 ??

        The irony is when a Tamil victim narrates 1983 or 2009 heart rendering tales, you, [edited out] is trying to ridicule and belittle such, with absolute scant respect for humanity, with posts displaying your crude behaviour.. :( :( :(

        [edited out] how you can white wash the Sinhala Sadists of 1983 and 2009 , the merciless rabid senseless beasts in human forms, and now we can see and feel the retributions and repercussions of these sad inhuman unacceptable events that are now trickling down to the entire fabric of Sri Lankan humanity

        Therefore let saner counsel prevail for the good of all citizens by nurturing and preventing such tragedies to ever take place as we were once classified as the ruthless inhuman pariahs of the world immediately after the holocaust in 1983 and 2009, , being a buddhist country with the bana potha in one hand, siura and the pandama in the other hand…

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        “How quickly you forgot, your own harrowing experience where you barely escaped death from Racist Sinhala Mob in 1983 because you have a drop of Tamil blood in you??”

        I forget nothing, Sivaraja. And I can assure you it’s a lot more than a drop ;)

        “How quickly you forgot those Tamils who succumbed to inhuman Sinhala brutality in 1983, 2009 ??”

        I have forgotten nothing, as I already said. But neither have I forgotten the brutal wind sown by the Tigers from 2000 to 2005 that reaped the whirlwind in 2009. Wind that you apologists of the Tigers conveniently ignore.

        “The irony is when a Tamil victim narrates 1983 or 2009 heart rendering tales, you, [edited out] is trying to ridicule and belittle such, with absolute scant respect for humanity, with posts displaying your crude behaviour..”

        Can you quote me having done so?

        “[edited out] how you can white wash the Sinhala Sadists of 1983 and 2009 ,”

        Where have I whitewashed 1983? And in 2009, it was the Tiger sadists that created and continued the misery of the Tamil people with their merciless, rabid, and senseless terrorism. And what crude behaviour do you speak of on my part?

        “the merciless rabid senseless beasts in human forms, and now we can see and feel the retributions and repercussions of these sad inhuman unacceptable events that are now trickling down to the entire fabric of Sri Lankan humanity”

        Well most of those beasts met their fate on the shores of Nandikadal, thank God.

        “Therefore let saner counsel prevail for the good of all citizens by nurturing and preventing such tragedies to ever take place as we were once classified as the ruthless inhuman pariahs of the world immediately after the holocaust in 1983 and 2009, , being a buddhist country with the bana potha in one hand, siura and the pandama in the other hand…”

        Unfortunately, the pandama you carry on these pages is one we can do without, thank you. So look in the mirror when you call for saner counsel.

      • thivya

        //Well most of those beasts met their fate on the shores of Nandikadal, thank God.//

        David Blacker,

        Those’ beasts’ are happened to be the sons and daughters of Tamils. Are you sure you have even a drop of Tamil blood in you. I am sorry to be so blunt, but I think you should check with your folks about that Tamil blood connection of yours again. :)

      • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

        Ah, Thivya, where did you run away to? I had asked you several questions last week which you conveniently avoided. But on your query, I’m afraid I don’t judge beastliness according to ethnicity the way you and other racist Tamil Tiger apologists do. And unlike you, I know who my parents are, so yes, I’m pretty sure where the blood comes from lol.

    • Anpu

      Dear Walter,

      “..(The Jaffna Tamils are Tamil Tamils) that is essentially a selfish lot, propagating only their interest.”

      I agree with all what you have written except “essentially a selfish lot”

      I am a TAMIL. Currently UK Tamil. Before that Jaffna Tamil (Ceylon Tamil).

      Anpu

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Dear Walter,

    You despire. I hope. Both base our reactions on the same facts, but draw diffferent interpretations based on how we understand them. Despire and hope are flip sides of the same coin. I am not a government stooge, propagandist or a lackey, because I choose to hope and you are not a LTTE sympathizer, Eelamite or TNA propagandist because you choose to despire. I am an optimist and have faith in humanity.You are pessimist, who has lost faith in the Sinhala-Buddhist humanity, if not all of humanity. Optimism and pessimism after all represent perceptons of a half-full or half-empty situation.

    I am sure what you want for Sri Lanka is what I want, although our approaches are different.

    The comments in this blog have revealed the chasm that has to be bridged to realize true reconciliation. However, they also reveal a refusal to bridge the chasm by many. Some are even intent on deepening and widening the chasm further. This is unfortunate.

    Best wishes,

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    • Anpu

      TNA MP Mr Sumanthiran speaks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bygimmsm3wE&feature=relmfu

      people who support the GOSL should watch the clip. Then they will understand why people like me are supporting TNA

    • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      Readers:

      The word spelt above rely to Walter as ‘Despire’, should read ‘Despair’.
      Regret mistake.

      R.N

  • walter

    Hon. Off The Cuff

    I am glad that you are only “off the cuff” and not “off the nut”
    because you are presuming and assuming, first you are “cock sure” of my age which is irrelevant, then you go on to statistics, giving percentages on ethnic lines, regarding jobs and occupation of land mass, quoting some Professor, which is not leading us to solutions but strengthening the resolve of the minorities to reclaim their stolen culture and rights.
    What I understand of this column is that, this is intended to debate rationally among equal stakeholders for the salvation of this Country.
    However with thinkers and analyst’s like you, which is predominant in this Sinhala Country, the eventualities which will follow are already a foregone conclusion.
    However much, you and your like, may resist the “winds of change” which has begun, will undoubtedly follow, as “day follows night”
    You say that the British gave preference to Tamils and they occupied plum jobs.
    Tell me why did the British bring Tamil labour from India?
    I will tell you, the British found the climate good for coffee and tea and they obviously found that the Sinhala folk who were occupying the low country were not prepared to slog in the hills infested with leeches and so many other hazards.
    Similarly the British must have found the Tamils willing workers and may be, I said may be, they found that the Tamils had a better IQ and also willing workers even under duress.
    Even today it is noted that more work can be extracted from a Tamil.
    The banks that were foreign had more Tamils in their cadre, I do not know why, but my assessment is from hearsay, that these Tamils were impeccably honest and hard working. I am told that they never looked at the clock.
    Today you go to any Government office, you will in the mornings that workers sign and then go for tea. In the evenings they wash up and ready to leave on the dot.
    My community never enjoyed a favour, they were preferred on the grounds of “merit.” We did not go about “licking Boots”
    I can tell you that after 1956 with the “Sinhala Only” act many Tamils were deprived of their promotions and increments.
    The GOSL placed all the impediments on the Tamils. I know of cases where Tamils and Christians were deprived of their legitimate positions.
    The Districts and Provinces were geographically demarcated, and there is no point in challenging these boundaries now, these have been accepted by the folks living in those areas and now it has become their “Traditional Homeland.” This is an international yardstick accepted by all civilized Nations, and the United Nations.
    Talking about the Sinhala mentality, let me enlighten you on a few salient points.
    PACTS and AGREEMENTS.
    Sirimavo / Shastri pact, Banda / Chelva pact, J R / Rajiv pact were all dismantled without a debate. Can you see the total mentality of this Country. The have scant respect for their own signatures.
    The Udathalawina massacre, the murder of the Tamil prisoners inside a Government Welikade Prison and another forced enclosure somewhere near Kurunegala where the Tamils were kept under Government protection were all murdered. What has happened to all these murders???
    The average Sinhala man has a elastic mentality, he is a master to vacillate, unsure of his objectives, can easily change from one direction to another.
    You see in 1983 the historic “bloody week” for this Country gives you insight to what I am referring to.
    Many Sinhala Buddhist’s gave refuge to persecuted Tamils, ironically another section of them looted Tamil houses and shops carrying a list in their hands. Do you know why the the Sinhala Buddhist’s were and are divided?
    Some who were exposed to Western education and influence shed communalism and extremism the others are a product of Bandaranayake created after 1956.
    You see from 1956 this mentality gathered momentum, I sense that you may be one of these products.
    I am though not from the Colonial era have imbibed a terrific amount of Western values, because my employment and sports which brought me in contact with stable educated personalities.
    YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THIS COUNTRY SINCE 1956 HAVE SLIDED PRECARIOUSLY INTO A IRREVERSIBLE MENTALITY, WHICH IN ANY CASE WAS HIDDEN IN THE GENETICS OF THIS COMMUNITY. I SAID IRREVERSIBLE WHY?
    The Government took over the assisted Schools, they made Sinhala compulsary later they said Tamil also, still later they said English as a link language.
    They prohibited the opening of new private Schools. The Government opened new Schools with fanfare. Soon afterwards people found that these Schools did not have proper teachers, chairs and tables and even roofs. Some moved their children to other schools, then the Government started to close some schools without sufficient students.
    This circus is still going on. We have universities without the basic Lab facilities. The J V P a product born after 1956 took advantage and till today they are leading the University strikes.
    The educational system was paralyzed,the Government had no money to keep their promise of free education. Then they brought in the Zonal system, people started forging documents to evade this zonal system. Then they allowed International Schools, because the Government could not stop the yearning for education. Now they want to control the International Schools
    Going back to the question of mentality and genetic’s.
    When Soma Hamaduru died in Russia, the Christians were accused, the cremation was postponed to coincide with Christmas.
    Some churches cancelled the Christmas Mass others were given Police protection and that too after so many autopsies were done.
    The flags and banners that were put up remained untill they were worn out. This showed the insincerity towards this venerable Monk.
    Finally
    OFF THE CUFF, tell me if one in your family wants to live away from you independently, why should that pose a problem?
    In any case you will not be able to prevent it.
    So what’s the problem if the Tamil man living in a isolated territory where he has lived for generations, call it his homeland and wanting to conduct his affairs in a language familiar to him?
    Why should that aspiration be a burden on you. If you want to be better than me, I will be happy that there is a man who wants to be better, that’s less headache for me, that’s how I see.
    That is the crux of the Western education and influence.
    But the final reality is that no man is “FREE” whether in the Sinhala land, Tamil land or in a Hindustan land, because it was said by Mark Twain
    “MAN IS BORN FREE BUT FOUND IN FETTERS EVERYWHERE”
    NOW anpu,
    My experience and deep association has shown that the Jaffna Tamil man is basically a “selfish” man. His first preference is always his clan, no matter what, exceptions yes, but minutely.
    That is one of the prime reasons for the unrest in this Country.
    Of course The Sinhala mentality also played a major role in this division.
    THANKS TO YOU GENTLEMEN,
    (Doctor RN Please check your spelling DESPAIR OR WHAT sorry I had to look at this deeply because the word you chose is not in my vocabulary.

    • Mindfully

      Walter:

      I am a Sinhalese-American, and I must say, although I am really insulted by your comment regarding Sinhalese genetics, I see where you are coming from. In my biased opinion, the Sinhalese are the most generous, extroverted and fun-loving people out there. However, they have their fatal flaws, primarily that they are incredibly naive and perhaps too laid-back. This explains why the country has taken the terrible turn that it did, post-independence. This naivety can be seen in Off the Cuff’s arguments. In my experience, most Sinhalese youth in Lanka are quite apathetic of the politics of the island. That’s another problem–some of them lean against nationalist causes without knowing what they mean or represent. Most of the Sinhalese nationalist types are truly oblivious to international law and the Tamil plight and really think the Tigers were teh start of it all. I hope something come to wipe away the hardcore nationalists on both sides.

    • Off the Cuff

      Dear Madam Walter,

      Thank you for your intellectual reply.

      You say “I am glad that you are only “off the cuff” and not “off the nut” “

      I am sad that I cannot return your compliment. Old age does have inherent problems.

      You say “because you are presuming and assuming, first you are “cock sure” of my age which is irrelevant, …..”

      Only after reading your current post did I realise you were eluding to attainment of puberty, when you said that in 1948 you were of age. I am sorry Miss or Mrs Walter, for misinterpreting your age and sex. Then again you did mislead me.

      A boy comes of age when he is a legal adult at 18. That means you were at least 18 years at that time if you were a male. Which puts your Birth year in 1930 or before. Hence in 2012 you are at least 82 years of age. But since you are a woman, you could be around 8 years younger assuming you reached puberty at the tender age of 10, which puts your age at around 74 years. If your age was irrelevant you should not have hinted at it within these columns.

      It was relevant to my post because you are a living witness to how the Public Service was populated before and immediately after independence. That you have avoided an answer is significant.

      You say “….then you go on to statistics, giving percentages on ethnic lines, regarding jobs and occupation of land mass, quoting some Professor, which is not leading us to solutions…… “

      Dear Mrs Walter what will lead us to solutions is the truth. The percentages that you seem to be afraid of, are part and parcel of the truth. You cannot find solutions by distorting the truth. Nor can you find solutions by vilification. You are guilty of both.

      You say ”……but strengthening the resolve of the minorities to reclaim their stolen culture and rights.”

      Your culture was stolen by the colonials it is thriving in Sinhala areas.

      You are fighting for Unequal Rights, more for the Northern Tamils and less for the rest (including Indian Tamils).
      That is what is being opposed.

      You say “What I understand of this column is that, this is intended to debate rationally among equal stakeholders for the salvation of this Country.”

      Yes I agree but you have jettisoned Rational Debate in favour of vilification, rhetoric and hate propaganda. Why may I ask?

      You ask “Tell me why did the British bring Tamil labour from India? “

      Good question but you give the wrong answer.

      The land belonged to the Natives.
      In this case the lands were robbed from the Sinhalese (Read up the Land laws)

      Would you till the land that you owned, as slaves of a foreign power that robbed that Land?
      The Sinhalese did not.

      There were about 300,000 Lanka Tamils living in Lanka at that time and if you are trying to insinuate that the Tamils were superior workers can you please explain why the British overlooked them?

      You say “Similarly the British must have found the Tamils willing workers and may be, I said may be, they found that the Tamils had a better IQ and also willing workers even under duress. Even today it is noted that more work can be extracted from a Tamil.”

      If that is so, why did the British import Indian Tamils?
      They virtually imported more than the totality of Tamils that lived in Lanka.

      The Sinhalese did not work the Land because they owned it and refused to work as slaves.

      Why did the Brits prefer Indians to the Lanka Tamils?
      Is it because they were Inferior to the Indians?

      You say “The banks that were foreign had more Tamils in their cadre, I do not know why, but my assessment is from hearsay, that these Tamils were impeccably honest and hard working. I am told that they never looked at the clock”

      Oh sure they were Honest. Except that Card Scams that fleeced the people who gave them refuge were done by Lanka Tamils. It was impeccable honesty that brought about an eleven year jail sentence to Hedge fund billionaire Raj Rajaratnam, a Lanka Tamil. Writing about that honesty would take a very long time to complete indeed.

      You say “My community never enjoyed a favour, they were preferred on the grounds of “merit.” We did not go about “licking Boots” “

      Prove it.

      You say “The Districts and Provinces were geographically demarcated, ….. “

      How else could they be demarcated?

      “….and there is no point in challenging these boundaries now, these have been accepted by the folks living in those areas and now it has become their “Traditional Homeland.” “

      Thats a new one. Usually Tamils claim 1000 s of years of traditional habitation and you are basing it on an arbitrary administrative division of under 150 years by a colonial govt?

      The challenge existed from the day it was used to claim exclusivity.
      You cannot prove any Historic traditional habitation in the East, beyond Elephant Pass, as Dutch records establish that territory up to Elephant Pass was part of the Kandyan Kingdom.

      “………. This is an international yardstick accepted by all civilized Nations, and the United Nations.”

      No it is not. Prove it.

      You say “Many Sinhala Buddhist’s gave refuge to persecuted Tamils, ironically another section of them looted Tamil houses and shops carrying a list in their hands. Do you know why the the Sinhala Buddhist’s were and are divided? “

      Your logic is skewed.
      Which community doesn’t have criminals?
      So what is ironic about looking after the victims of criminality?
      Could not understand the last sentence. The language does not make sense.

      You say “Some who were exposed to Western education and influence shed communalism and extremism the others are a product of Bandaranayake created after 1956. You see from 1956 this mentality gathered momentum, I sense that you may be one of these products.”

      Well brown sahib, that is rich.
      Jaffna Tamils had the most exposure to Western education and yet it is a place riddled to the core with inhumanity to fellow humans, the likes of which cannot be found anywhere else in Lanka.
      Unfortunately you have no sense to sense anything.

      You say “I am though not from the Colonial era have imbibed a terrific amount of Western values, because my employment and sports which brought me in contact with stable educated personalities”

      Blowing your own Trumpet Madam?
      Even if you are 74 you would have been born in the Colonial Era.
      Arithmetic is not your strong point I suppose.

      You shout “YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THIS COUNTRY SINCE 1956 HAVE SLIDED PRECARIOUSLY INTO A IRREVERSIBLE MENTALITY, WHICH IN ANY CASE WAS HIDDEN IN THE GENETICS OF THIS COMMUNITY. I SAID IRREVERSIBLE WHY? “

      How can one accept irrational utterances even if you shout?
      You blame genetics even though 55% of it is shared.

      You say “OFF THE CUFF, tell me if one in your family wants to live away from you independently, why should that pose a problem? In any case you will not be able to prevent it.”

      No problem.

      “So what’s the problem if the Tamil man living in a isolated territory where he has lived for generations, call it his homeland and wanting to conduct his affairs in a language familiar to him?
      Why should that aspiration be a burden on you.”

      No problem again.

      But when you say it is an exclusive Northern and Eastern Tamil domain there is a problem. I have explained why. If you don’t agree to that explanation, counter it factually instead of ad hominem attacks and red herrings.

      Dear Mindfully,

      You say “This naivety can be seen in Off the Cuff’s arguments”

      Why don’t you join the discussion and enrich it with you sophisticated worldliness instead of standing on the sidelines?

      • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

        Off the Cuff,
        The Madras Presidency of old, included the present Tamil Nadu, Andra Pradesh, Kerala and Karnataka. Some Tamil and Telungu speaking areas were very poverty stricken and dirt poor. This was the recruiting ground for plantation and mine workers required by the British empire. They were taken to Ceylon, West Indies, Fiji and South Africa. Those who were brought to Ceylon were a mix of Tamils and Telugus. They also were from the lower levels of the caste hierarchy. They came in droves because of poverty and did their work under difficult conditions- poor wages, terrible housing, malaria, snakes, wild beasts and slavery. . Thousands died of malaria,snake bite and wild animal attacks.No Ceylonese, would have worked under the conditions they did. We Ceylones also looked down upon them. We yet owe them a big debt of gratitude. What the UNP government headed by D.S. Senanayake did to them, supported by the Tamil leadership of the day was an unpardonable sin. S.J.V. Chelvanagam quit the Tamil Congress for this reason.

        Once again, there was no insidious reason why the British brought in these indentured labour, other than profit. We are profitting from the sweat of those poor and hard working pioneers. This also had nothing to with intelligence and capacity for hard work by Ceylonese-Sinhalese or Tamil. What we did to these hapless people, who yet remain the bedrock of our economy,was the primordial sin committed by the first government of independent Ceylon. We crossed the ‘Luxshman Rekha’ with that act and paved the way for many sins that continue to this

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Navin

        Dr. RN,

        Look at the way, Tamils oppose Sinhalese farmers being given land in the N & E. Its called colonization as if Sinhalese are aliens in their own country.

        Since, that’s the way Tamils treat Sinhalese even today, even when they are “Sri Lankan”, why on earth should Sinhalese have accepted these “foreign” Indian Tamil settlements in the mid-90′s that displaced Sinhalese?

        Didn’t Thondaman Jr. meet VP to discuss their common interests? Didn’t they support LTTE to carry terrorist attacks against Sinhalese? Hence I’m so thankful that governments of the day tried their level best to send these people back.

        I have no grouse with people of different ethnicities living in any part of this country. It is the hypocrisy that I’m against. There cannot be one set of rules for preserving Tamil demography and another set for evaluating Sinhalese demography.

        Also, I don’t agree that we as Sri Lankans are in-dept to Tamils for creating plantations. Plantations independent of Tamil issue, should not have been created to begin with. They are not worthy of the cost of social and environmental problems they have created. Today, tea is becoming less and less important/competitive as an export. It covers about 15% of our foreign income compared to 70% we get from exporting garments.

        Sinhalese did manage to clear the jungles and farm this country for 2000+ years on their own. Did they not grow their own rice and vegetables? So why should they be incapable of growing their own tea, if they wanted to, Malaria or not? In fact there is more Malaria in North central province than in the cold climate of Nuwara Eliya which is not conducive for mosquito growth. They were not helped by Tamils to plant rice on mountains slopes, right?

        Sinhalese did not want to work under the British. Tamils just weakened their resistance against British by coming here. Of course they didn’t care who ruled this country or how much they exploited/destroyed it for it was not TN.

      • Navin

        Dr. RN, I have wrongly stated that we earn 70% of garments. However, we earn about 4 times as much we earn from tea from apparels.

      • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

        Navin,

        Thanks for your response. The decisions and actions of politicians should not be blamed on the people they claim to represent. The people did not endorse many thins their politicians did. Hwever, you can have leaders like Hitler and Mahatma Gandhi, who had popular endorsement. The first led his people towards sheer evil, through the wrongpath and the latter led his people into what was good, while insisting on the right path under very difficult circumstances.

        All Tamils did not support the LTTE in its dastardliness. However, most Tamils thought the LTTE would pave the way for them to become respected citizens in this country. The LTTE episode, proves that wrong actions, will not produce good results. Many Tamils yet give credit to the LTTE for stopping the recurrence of the anti Tamil riots of the likes of 1983. However, many Sinhalese yet think that the probelms started with the LTTE and ended with the LTTE. This perception is a problem in post-war Sri Lanka.

        All Sinhalese were not behind the many anti-Tamil riots from 1958 to 1983. A large number of Sinhalese helped the Tamils in distress and a majority in fact were sad spectators. Unfortunately, because the riots were organized and led by Sinhala politicians, the Tamils perceived these riots as carried out by the Sinhalese against them. This perception is yet dominant and is a major hurdle to establish trust and reconciliation.

        The politicans-whether Sinhalese, Tamil or Muslim- have been the root cause of the communal problems in this country. They continue to be so yet. The have always found and will find the rabble amongst all classes of society- the illiterate to the most learned- to support them.

        Further, not to appreciate what the Indian labour did to create the coffee , Tea and rubber plantations, is wrong. We would not have done what they did, under British leadership. The income from these plantations is yet the bedrock of our economy, despite other sectors taking the lead now.

        I do not agree with the dog in the manger attitude of sections of the Tamils and their politicians. However, this response is conditioned by the problems they faced since 1958 onwards in predominently Sinhala areas and in areas where Sinhala colonizations had taken place. In 1958 Sinhala colonists from padaviya (formerly pathavikulam) led by C.P.De Silva tried to attack the Tamils in Vavuniya. Similar incidents also took place in Gal-Oya. The reactions of many Tamils are Pavlovian responses to incidents such as these, as are the responses of the Sinhalese to the LTTE-phenomenon.

        What is important now is to create conditions that prevent old history repeating. We have to chart a new course. There are no alternatives.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Dr. RN,

        Just a short reply as I did not still have the time to collate the material Re the favoured status of the Tamil community during Brits Rule and also about Education.

        This post is Re the Tea industry.

        Sri Lanka was self sufficient in food when the colonists transformed the food based agriculture to a cash crop based one. We had a cash crop, Cinnamon. But we did not get the benefit from either, as it was controlled by foreigners. Our natural resources too were exploited by them (pearl fishery, gems etc)

        The Tea Plantations converted fertile Agricultural lands of the hill country and made Lanka dependent on a Cash Crop, the price of which was controlled by the British themselves.

        Even today, we are held captive by this yolk and as a result, we import the majority of Milk products. A good chunk of our staple food, rice, Lentils etc. when we could have been exporting all of them instead of Tea.

        The soaring prices of our food is a direct result of the Tea plantations.

        According to the 1946 census on population in the agricultural sector of the island, 40% of the agricultural peasant families found in the former Kandyan Kingdom were landless while there were 26% landless agricultural families recorded in the wet zone (Herath 1995: 79)

        The impact of these land ordinances were uneven, because they were largely limited to the former Kandyan Kingdom (Mendis 1951:166).

        Many villagers in the Kandyan area were deprived of their high lands formally used for chena cultivation or grazing the cattle (Mendis 1951:85).

        The British dispossessed the Kandyan Kingdom of 90% – 95% (or more) of the Highlands.

        Here are the land laws and some of their other affects.
        The British enacted the Crown Land Enforcement Ordinance in 1840 to claim the unoccupied and uncultivated land in the Kandyan kingdom (Farmer 1957:90- 91). As a result of this ordinance, 90% of the land in the Kandyan highlands was designated as land belonging to the British Crown (Herath et al, 1995:77).

        The Waste Land Ordinance Act of 1897 (and the Crown Land Encroachment Ordinance in 1840), annexed more lands as crown lands where villagers could no longer claim them according to the new British- imposed rules (Roberts 1979:233, Obeysekara 1967: 98-100).

        The majority of the Sinhalese villages effectively lost the structural prerequisite of land tenure systems (Obeysekara 1967:101).

        These ordinances also created a large number of landless peasants in the former Kandyan kingdom, which had held land through customary means but without legal proof.

        Furthermore, the ‘Land Settlement Ordinance of 1889’ allowed the colonial authorities to sell crown lands at will. The impact of these land ordinances were uneven, because they were largely limited to the former Kandyan Kingdom (Mendis 1951:166).

        These changes to the Kandyan land and service tenure systems disintegrated the old Sinhalese systems (Codrington 1938:63).

        It should also be noted that Tea also causes environmental issues. Soil erosion being one.

      • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

        Dear Off the Cuff,

        I again refer you .to K.M. De Silva’s ‘A history of Sri Lanka’.

        The following factors have to remembered when we discuss the early days of Brtish rule in Ceylon:

        1. The low population numbers
        2.The vast areas covered by jungle.
        3.The ancient irrigation systems-tanks and, canals that were in ruins. The irrigation systems of old in the Uva were also either damaged or allowed to go t.o ruin following the Uva rebellion.
        4. Malaria and other diseases that took a heavy toll on the population.
        5. The simple life and low expectations of most people.

        The agricultural sector needed much restoration ,repair and investment. The export sector had to be also strengthened to meet the cost of importance. The low prices for cinnamon in the international market due
        to the increased production of cinnamon in what is now Kerala and Dutch East Indies, led to the neglect and decline of the local cinnamon industry. The British try to introduce many commercial crops-Indiigo, sugar cane , cotton and coffee. All failed. What succeeded was tea and rubber. The hill country-Kandyan-areas where tea was introduced were mostly thick and wild jungle. Any jungle Clarence without concerns about soil erosion would have led to calamity. The British took these factors into account when clearing the Jungles for tea.

        We should not forget the Central Province today has the second highest GNP after the Western Province.

        The British also controlled malaria, which permitted the dry zone to be opened for agriculture. They also by demarcating the provinces planted the seeds for greater unity between the low country and the Kandyan Sinhalese, while planting the seeds for a Sinhala-Tamil conflict over land.

        Everything thing the British did should not be viewed in the context of our perceptions or paranoia now. The British did not colonises for altruistic reasons. Their objective was to generate wealth for themselves. However, they did it more humanely than all other colonisers! There are many yet in Sri Lanka yet nostalgic about British Colonial rule!

        I think the most significant positive contribution JRJ made to this country was the reversal of the Sirimavo government

      • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

        Continuation:
        —–economic policies and granting citizenship to all remaing Indian Tamils. (I am learning to Use IPad and towards the end making some mistake!).

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

    Walter,
    Thanks for pointing out the spelling errors. I do not notice the errors while reviewing and begin to notice them only after posting. Apologies. Shall be more careful in the future.

    Dr.R.N

  • walter

    To Mindfully,
    My profound apology for having stirred your sentiments, it was never intentional not intended to cast aspersions. I AM SORRY.
    As you grow up and if you have the time to evaluate the collective mentality of the Races that inhabit this Island, may be, you will understand what I am trying to get at.
    My assessment of the Sri Lankan mentality is separated into the foll.
    The Sinhala mentality, The Tamil mentality, The Burgher and Muslim attitudes.
    As you said the Sinhalese may be naive, certainly, fun loving, lazy, but have a lot of giving habits, that is admirable compared with the average Tamils, specially the Jaffna Tamils who are caste conscious and a clanish mentality. Their first preference would be their kith and kin and always supportive of their clan. Merit comes later.
    But the Sinhala average man is totally “indifferent and lethargic”
    He can be roused easily and his dormant tribal instincts awoken by provocative speakers. His regrets come later, when he turns sober.
    He is compassionate, but, out of proportion, he falls a victim easily, to unscrupulous elements, but that does not absolve him of his collective responsibility.
    He is the majority and could run the affairs of this Country with clarity, with vision.
    But see what has happened. His elected representatives are responsible for the chaos in this Country.
    They are in conflict with the International community.
    They are in conflict with the communities within Sri Lanka.
    They are in conflict with the educated forum, which has to lead this Country.
    They are in conflict with the University students, Universities closed.
    They are in conflict with International Schools, after allowing them to mushroom, now they are looking for standards and parameters.
    They are protecting crooks in the Stock Market.
    They are protecting murders and rapist’s.
    They have suppressed all the Free and Democratic institutions like the Bribery Commission, Police Commission, Judicial Service Commission and the Public Service Commission.
    This is my Country, I happen to have some knowledge of some of the other Countries where a Parliamentary system is active.
    In those Countries The Presidents and Prime ministers are very concerned about Public opinion. They assess it on a daily basis.
    But here in this Paradise Isle, our public opinion has dissipated, we have crowned a King without a Crown by the 18th. amendment.
    We have laid to rest all the other amendments.
    The Muslims are bound by Islam, Religion first at any cost, they will penetrate into any territory. Second money, they will go to any extent. They are the ideal opportunist’s. With the Tamils they go as Tamils as in the North and East. In the South and Central they go as Sinhalese.
    The Burghers now almost extinct unfortunately due to the language barrier are the “best’ community. They are happy go lucky with anyone. This is my humble assessment of the Sri Lankan Community.
    Right, now tell me, have I the right to be frustrated?
    My fingers point at the Majority, and who is this majority?
    By the way, you do not know my background, nor do you know to extract evenly my intent. Please look at it from outside.
    Every Community, every caste, has Genetic’s playing an important role most often without our knowledge.
    You need not take offence at my reference to Genetic’s, this is now a science and used on so many platforms.
    You being a Sinhala American, I am sure would have more knowledge than me as you say about International law and practices.
    So Mindfully, on whom and what would you place the blame on squarely on the travails and misrule of this Country?
    ON THE MAJORITY, OR ON THE MINORITY.

    • Mindfully

      Walter:

      I am not disagreeing with you–but I don’t think the Sinhalese and Tamils can be explained via genetics. I think what explains the differences between these two groups is culture and geography. Think about it–the Jaffna Tamils are quite possible the smartest and hardest working people in all of South Asia, and it has everything to do with their culture and the circumstances they grew up in. The Tamils in general have a culture that stresses hard work and sacrifice, but also, the Jaffna Tamils HAD to work harder than anybody else because their geographical circumstances demanded this. The Jaffna Tamils lived in tiny peninsula with arid, dry land whereas the Sinhalese lived in a lush area with very fertile land. Yet, it was the Jaffna Tamil who was economically more productive, despite their circumstances. Why? It was probably culture but also, I think cultures that live on drier, more difficult land tend to produce better more economically productive people.

      As an American who has an interest in the different types of British people who settled the country, I would say the Jaffna Tamils are more like the New Englanders of America and the Sinhalese are more like the Southerners. Despite the lack of fertile land and the crowded areas they inhabited, the New Englanders were perhaps the most economically influential of all the original areas of the 13 colonies. However, they also had a reputation for being somewhat cold and clannish, having more devotion to their own close confidants and family than anyone else. The southerners, despite(or maybe because of) their blessed circumstances, tended to be lazier and less educated(there were few bookstores in the south until the 20th century)and more prone to violence and outbursts. Despite this, they were known as very hospitable and generous and people who would go out of their way to help a stranger in need.

      Out of curiosity, do you still live in Sri Lanka? And are you a non-Jaffna Tamil?

      • Mindfully

        Oh, and it is the majority, of course, who are more responsible for the fate of the country–I don’t deny that.

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Food for thought and a pointer to a way forward:

    http://www.dailymirror.lk/opinion/172-opinion/21614-police-powers-policing-the-powers.html

    As a majority of comments indicate we are yet mired in the past and in our different perceptions of it, based on our experiences and conditioning. We are all in one way or other trying to justify both the past and our responses to it. It can also be said that we are all in an allegorical sense, both blind and in a dark room. In this condition we are groping to identify things someone else has described for us. The descriptions were in themslves are largely wrong or deliberately distorted. The truth, if it can be found, is in the dark depths of a very deep ocean.

    We have to break out of this mental prison soon, if we are to regain the paradise we lost, through monumental stupidity. We indeed share a large proportion of genes as peoples and it is likely these are the very genes that trigger our-Sinhala, Tamil and Muslim- propensity to make monumental mistakes through stupidity, ignorance, shortsightedness and hard heartedness.

    We are all frogs in the well who refuse to look at the wider panorama of the world and think that Sri Lanka is unique in every way-good,bad, terrible and the ugly. We refuse to realize that human nature is the same, however different we may look or be in our linguistic, religeous and cultural identities. Where we live-within Sri Lanka or beyond, does not make a difference.

    We refuse to see Sri Lanka as an adolescent trying to muddle her way into a mature adulthood. The mistakes of childhood and adolescence cannot permanently blight a person. This is true for individuals and a nation/country. The mistakes made in the early years, mould the character of a person or a nation. It is accepting the mistakes, learning from them and moving in a new direction, that ultimately will determine success. Many of us yet want to be permanent adolescents and hence become retarded and stunted- in body and mind.

    Sathymoorthy, an outsider who has been a student, observer and analyst of the Sri Lankan political scene, has provided an astute analysis of the current political scenario and a way out, in the above link. He may not be right in all his prescriptions,but he definitely sees, what we refuse to see. Will we open our minds and eyes?

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • walter

    To David Blacker
    You said that the Tamils and Tiger boys were responsible for the war.
    In reality this escalated after 1983.
    Before 1948 and after there was a “cold war” between the warring parties,but it was not noticed because there were no bombs, & suicide bombers.
    I am not holding a brief for any community, but that was the reality.
    Yes, The Tigers did put M R in the driving seat. The story is that they received considerable funding.
    However The Tigers themselves suffered “hara Kiri,”without their sensing
    until they got screwed by M.R.

    • http://www.blacklightarrow.wordpress.com David Blacker

      Thanks for the history 101, but I was referring to the war post-CFA.

  • walter

    Off…..( I have deleted the cuff) Because “OFF” seems more appropriate.

    [Edited out]

    This Country belongs to every one born and bred here with equality.
    The Constitution must spell that out clearly. Exclusivity is not welcome.
    But let the Man born in Hambantota claim that this is his homeland, like wise the ones from Kandy or Jaffna or Timbuktu.
    But do not take a Tamil man and plant him in the middle of Mihintale, but if this man finds his way to Mihintale on his own, so let him be.
    This criteria is Internationally accepted, except where Nations like Australia at one time invited a particular type of migrants, and they were settled in areas which was chosen for them.
    In Sri Lanka the Sinhala people who went to discover opportunities in Jaffna or Amparai, or Trincomalee, were and are legally and morally entitled to their decisions.
    But when a Government decides to send migrants to settle in between other communities, this will certainly draw anger from those already settled.
    You have also mentioned about Raj Rajaratnam, and credit card scams, you say that every Community has crooks.
    I WOULD BE A BLOODY FOOL IF I DID NOT ACCEPT THAT.

    [Edited out]

    Thanks

    • Off the Cuff

      Dear Madam Walter,

      You have not contested my estimation of your age this time around!
      I hope I have addressed you correctly, if not, feel free to correct it.

      You say “Off…..( I have deleted the cuff) Because “OFF” seems more appropriate.
      [Edited out] ….. “

      Many before you, have tried to play with my pseudonym, instead of addressing what I write, forgetting that it was deliberately chosen by me. Hence, if it gives you a childish pleasure you may delete not just part but the whole of it. Then again I understand why you indulge in such antics, as there is what is known as a second childhood. Just go ahead and indulge yourself, it has no affect on me.

      You say ”This Country belongs to every one born and bred here with equality.“

      Agreed, with one proviso.
      It belongs to everyone born to a Citizen of Lanka anywhere in the World. This means it includes any Diaspora Tamil’s child, who has not given up Sri Lankan Citizenship.

      You say ”The Constitution must spell that out clearly. Exclusivity is not welcome.”

      Agreed.

      You say ”But do not take a Tamil man and plant him in the middle of Mihintale,….”

      Has this happened?

      You say ”… but if this man finds his way to Mihintale on his own, so let him be.”

      There has never been objections to Tamils settling anywhere in Lanka.

      You say ”In Sri Lanka the Sinhala people who went to discover opportunities in Jaffna or Amparai, or Trincomalee, were and are legally and morally entitled to their decisions. But when a Government decides to send migrants to settle in between other communities, this will certainly draw anger from those already settled.“

      This is where you are wrong.
      Development of river basins happens where river basins are located.

      Consider the Gal Oya Development scheme. This is an agricultural development, paid for by all Sri Lankans (just like every major development scheme in any field). Hence the fruits of that development, should be open equitably to ALL her citizens. The project was funded by the government mostly through loans. The debt burden of these loans are carried by All citizens irrespective of ethnicity. Remember that even a pauper pays indirect tax.

      The per capita loan burden is the same whether you are a Sinhalese, Lanka Tamil, Indian origin Tamil, Moor, Burgher, Malay etc.

      Hence any allocation of the developed land should take this in to consideration. Ignoring this fact in favour of any community, whether divided by Ethnicity or Religiosity or Cast means that the favoured community is UNJUSTLY subsidised by those left out without deriving any benefit for the money they have spent. This is why it is inequitable and unjust. If you look at this community wise, the Sinhalese will be called upon to pay a near 70% of the cost.

      This development was in the East, due to the geography. You cannot move the Gal Oya valley out of the Eastern Province. Similarly you cannot move the Mahaweli development out of the North East either.

      Hence the Anger is unjustified and is due to selfishness.
      It goes against all sense of Justice and Fair play.

      That is why the “Tamil Homeland Claim” is at the root of ethnic strife. Those who demand for this “Mythical Homeland”, demands for 45% of Lanka’s Landmass for the exclusive benefit of less than 10% of the population.

      This is a quotation from Kadphises who is a regular contributor to GV

      He says “what is not acknowledged by Tamils is that Tamils and Moslems too have been beneficiaries of post independence Govt land settlement schemes. Tamils were given land after the implementation of the Gal Oya, Padaviya and Iranamadu schemes. There was also a program to settle up country Tamils in the Vanni and another govt program to give large tracts of land in the Vanni to “middle class Tamils” to develop for commercial farming. Much jungle land in the Eastern Province has been granted to Tamil and Moslem farmers. However only Sinhalese settlers seem to have earned the label “illegal colonist”. Just two years ago 15,000 acres from inside Wilpattu National Park was given to Moslem refugees from Mannar by the Rajapakse regime.”

      Are these not facts?

      I did mention about Raj Rajaratnam, and credit card scams, and I did say that every Community has crooks.

      You observe that ”I WOULD BE A BLOODY FOOL IF I DID NOT ACCEPT THAT.”

      Of course you were, that’s why you claimed that “…..these Tamils were impeccably honest ….”

    • thivya

      //Hence any allocation of the developed land should take this in to consideration. ….. UNJUSTLY subsidised by those left out without deriving any benefit for the money they have spent. This is why it is inequitable and unjust. If you look at this community wise, the Sinhalese will be called upon to pay a near 70% of the cost.///

      The typical Sinhala racism is on display here. The Sinhala racists think they can justify every racist act by their sheer number in population. They will say anything to justify the Sinhala colonization of Tamil areas. From the Sinhala president to the Sinhala bus boy, they all argue that there are no ethnic communities and that we are all Sri Lankans. But when it comes to the colonization of the North – East that must be based on the ethnic makeup of the country and the Sinhalese must get most of the land, instead of the Tamils who have lived there for centuries.

      If the Sri Lankan Government applied the same population percentage to civil employment, police, army etc, there would be more Tamils and Muslims working. There have been more development projects and manufacturing facilities built in the Sinhala South after the independence. Only two major factories were in the North and one in the East, built during the post independence period a few decades ago. For the past 30 years, due to the conflict, none of the factories were in the North were operating. Why did the Government of Sri Lanka not apply the same logic and employ the North – East Tamils according to their percentage in the manufacturing facilities in the South? The Tamils who live in the South moved there on their own looking for employment opportunities and to escape the carpet bombings and army atrocities. None of them were settled by the government, but a vast majority of the Sinhalese in the North – East were settled by the government under state sponsored colonization.

      If an English Canadian says that they are the majority and they should get more employment opportunities in federally funded projects in the Province of Quebec than the French Canadians who live there, because the English Canadians are the majority tax payers and they paid more taxes to the project. Not only the people of Quebec, but the entire Canadian population including the Sinhala fake refugee claimants in Canada, will call him a racist.

      If we go by OTC’s argument, the convicted war criminal Slobodan Milosevic and others are right because the Serbs were 40% and the ethnic Albanians were only 7%, of the total population in Serbia. According to OTC’ logic, the Serbs should have had the bigger share and Milosovic was right in settling the Serbs in Kosovo, the ethnic enclaves of Albanian Muslims. But for some strange reason the world considered that Ethnic cleansing and racism, and punished him. The Serbian Chauvinists had to go and collect his body from an empty cell in The Hague.

      For example everyday thousands of North Indians, mainly the Biharis (the people from the most populous and Hindi speaking state) are flocking to Tamil Nadu looking for jobs on their own. Not a single Tamil is complaining about it. I don’t think the Indian government will get involved in that and settle the majority Hindi speaking poor Biharis in Tamil Nadu, or give them employment or land in the central government sponsored projects in Tamil Nadu while many Tamils are living without proper jobs or a piece of land. The Hindi speaking Biharis can also argue that because the Hindi speakers are the majority they should get the higher share in the state sponsored projects. No Indian will fancy that kind of discriminative racist idea. That’s why a black skinned Tamil from rural Tamil Nadu in the Southern coast and a light skinned Sikh from the Northern frontier, who have nothing whatsoever in common, feel that they are both Indians and proud of it.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        You say “The typical Sinhala racism is on display here.”

        What is on display is the Typical Tamil Greed and Selfishness of the “Proud Pure bred Jaffna Tamil” (my apologies to Dr RN and moderates like him who are the exceptions).

        Here are some observations from Walter, a Tamil person, on this web page.

        As for me I am a minority in language and religion, I and my family are not Tamil, Tamils. (The Jaffna Tamils are Tamil Tamils) that is essentially a selfish lot, propagating only their interest.
        August 29, 2012 • 11:42 am

        My experience and deep association has shown that the Jaffna Tamil man is basically a “selfish” man. His first preference is always his clan, no matter what, exceptions yes, but minutely. August 31, 2012 • 12:02 pm

        the average Tamils, specially the Jaffna Tamils who are caste conscious and a clanish mentality. Their first preference would be their kith and kin and always supportive of their clan. Merit comes later September 1, 2012 • 12:02 pm

        Sebastian Rasalingam who now lives in Canada says,
        In the early days at school I had my own little stool that I took from class to class as I could not aspire to sit on normal-sized chairs.

        There was no Humanity within the Tamil Vellala control freaks.
        And we hear that its beginning all over again in Canada too.

        Are you from Jaffna Thivya?
        Are you a “Proud Pure Bred Tamil Tamil”?
        The days of free loading are over Madam.

        You say “But when it comes to the colonization of the North – East that must be based on the ethnic makeup of the country and the Sinhalese must get most of the land, instead of the Tamils who have lived there for centuries”

        You have been paraphrasing Sangam.org for too long to have a mind of your own.

        Everyone gets an EQUAL per capita share.

        If you get 10 sq meters to lie on I too will get 10 square meters and Walter will get 10 square meters and so would your children who will each get 10 square meters or David or Burning Issue, or Dr Narendran or Sampanthan of TNA or Sumanthiran of TNA or any LTTE cadre or Aachariya or Rev Rayappu Joseph will all get 10 square meters each. Ethnicity does not come into the picture at all. So where is the Racism?

        Simply put, each citizen of Lanka, will get the same amount of Land.
        That Thivya is equality. Try convincing the world that is is not.
        But then that won’t fit your plan would it?

        The resources of Sri Lanka are not for a 1% Ethnic Elitist fraction of any ethnicity to play with and party, while the balance 99% struggle to make ends meet. That’s why there is a occupy Wall Street movement in USA. That’s why there is opposition to the Land Grab under the cover of an Exclusive Ethnic Homeland for Tamils in Lanka.

        You cannot usurp 45% of Lanka’s Land mass (which is Public Land) and get 90% of the population to pay for developing it and then tell that 90% that they do not have a stake in enjoying the benefits. That is plain and simple Robbery. You cannot camouflage that by calling wolf. You have called wolf once too often. Any sane person can see the underlying greed. Any sane person can see behind that mask of yours.

        The East was a Sinhala Kingdom and never a Tamil one.
        The last time you tried moving South from Jaffna, you got badly bogged down at Elephant Pass.
        Hence no point in talking about the East anyway.

      • Gamarala

        A most amusing display of two tribal warriors going at each other’s throats! Both keen to pounce on the racism of the other. Both oblivious to the appallingly tribal nature of one’s own posts.

        Off the cuff considers members of the Tamil tribe, or in a blundering attempt to appear less racist, the “Jaffna Tamil Elite Tribe”, to be the irredeemable architects of our present woes, while Thivya bluntly blames the incorrigible Sinhala tribe for the same thing. In the process, we observers have the amusing privilege of seeing how modern political notions are being preempted to essentially rationalise one’s natural tribal instinct, instead of suppressing it. As the late Christopher Hitchens would say, progress of a kind eh?

      • Off the Cuff

        Ha ha haa …. Once upon a time their was this village idiot, Mahadanamutta. He thought the world of himself. He had five pupils who thought the world of him too.

        Pol baa Muna had the face of half a coconut, Puwak Badilla had a thin face and looked like an Arecunut tree, Indikatu Pancha was as thin and slender as a needle and Rabboda Aiya had a big tummy.

        I am thankful to Mahadanamutta for a little respite from the stress of having to deal with bigotry.

        Enjoy this musical video of Mahadenamuththa

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqknWMPY3Q

        Have fun, I did.

      • thivya

        I think OTC writes here with an assumption that the people who read Groundsview don’t have a clue about the continuous State Sponsored colonization in Sri Lanka. I think he tries to spin it and is making a fool of himelf. Everyone, in and out of Sri Lanka- who have even a modicum of interest in the Sri Lankan conflict- knows the main cause of the ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka is the State Aided Colonization of the North – East. But OTC is trying to spin it his own crooked way to portray that as the benevolent, non racist EQUALITY project.

        “- Sinhalese colonization of Tamil districts was willfully carried out to change the ethnic and political character of Tamil areas. It is estimated that almost a quarter of the island’s population was moved from the Wet Zone to the Dry Zone between 1946 and 1971, under peasant colonization schemes. These colonization schemes altered the ethnic composition of Tamil provinces. -”

        ///”Simply put, each citizen of Lanka, will get the same amount of Land. That Thivya is EQUALITY. ” If you get 10 sq meters to lie on I too will get 10 square meters and Walter will get 10 square meters and so would your children who will each get 10 square meters or David or Burning Issue, or Dr Narendran or Sampanthan of TNA or Sumanthiran of TNA or any LTTE cadre or Aachariya or Rev Rayappu Joseph will all get 10 square meters eachEthnicity does not come into the picture at all. So where is the Racism?” ///

        I wonder what he was smoking when he wrote this. He had the audacity to highlight it too. :)

        Everyone knows no Sumanthiran, Thivya or even the pro Sinhala Narendrans get 10 square meters of anything. Only the Sinhala Kalubandas get 100% now, that’s why the 3% Sinhalese in Trincomalee became 40% in a few decades. Decades ago a few thousand Tamils from the Jaffna Peninsula (mainly from the islands) were given lands in Vanni, it was just a onetime token gesture. After that no Tamil got any land under the State Sponsored Sinhala colonization.

        If the purpose of the colonization project was to distribute state lands to the Sri Lankans who have no land, then why are there thousands of Tamil and Muslims without any land in the North East or the rest of the country. Only the Sinhala population is increasing in the North- East. If they were all given equal share of the land without any discrimination, I am sure at least a few more Tamil electorates might have been created in the areas where State sponsored colonization took place. But after the independence more Sinhala parliamentary constituencies were created in the North – East. The Sinhala chauvinists have succeeded in their goal of reducing the representation of Tamils in Parliament.

        Seeing as there is no River Valley in Jaffna or Vanni, there is no need for it to be populated, but massive state sponsored Sinhala colonization is going on to make the Tamils minorities in their own historic habitat now.

        [The Crisis Group in its report in March 2012 – SRI LANKA’S NORTH I: THE DENIAL OF MINORITY RIGHTS –

        IV. SINHALISATION: POWER, CULTURE AND DEMOGRAPHY

        “The Sinhalisation of the north – which Tamil politicians and residents of the north frequently accuse the government of sponsoring – can refer to numerous different processes, ranging from changing the names of streets and villages from Tamil to Sinhala and the building of Buddha statues to the movement of large enough numbers of Sinhalese to the north to change the population balance in politically and socially significant ways.”

        It is clear that various forms of Sinhalisation are in fact underway in the north. Much of it follows directly from the stationing of tens of thousands of Sinhala-speaking and largely Buddhist troops in the formerly all-Tamil north and the efforts the military has made to entrench its presence and political control.

        http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/Files/asia/south-asia/sri-lanka/219-sri-lankas-north-i-the-denial-of-minority-rights.pdf

        The Tamils welcome the Sinhalese to come and BUY land in Jaffna; they are only against the state sponsored Sinhala colonization. The government shouldn’t be in the business of demographic manipulation.

        The similar racially motivated demographic changes have happened in other countries. Although the form may be different- in Sudan the excuse was ‘ancient tribal differences,’ in Cambodia the excuse was ‘better life through social engineering’- the Sinhalese are doing the same thing now and calling it ‘Development and Reconciliation’. Nowhere in the world are the majority people being moved to minority area, to manipulate demographics, while the inhabitants of the same area are suffering from unemployment and shortage of land. This is shamelessly hailed as EQUALITY.

        In addition to all historic claims, the fact that the North East is the ‘historic habitat of the Tamil speaking people’ was duly acknowledged by the Sinhala government in the Indo – Lanka accord which is still a valid International Treaty.

        The world punished those neo colonialists in Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo. They dragged those leaders- who encouraged the majority Serbians to occupy the houses of ethnic Albanians and Bosnians and settle them in the lands of the ethnic minorities- to the War crime Tribunal. The Serbian strong man died in an empty cell. If it was wrong in Europe, it is wrong in Sri Lanka as well. Only the demented Sinhala racists will try to gloss over the State Sponsored Sinhala colonization in the North East of Sri Lanka as a benevolent, non racist National Development project of EQUALITY.

      • thivya

        [ The East was a Sinhala Kingdom and never a Tamil one. The last time you tried moving South from Jaffna, you got badly bogged down at Elephant Pass. Hence no point in talking about the East anyway.]

        The Mahavamsa poison fed by the Buddhist monks is so strong in the Sinhalese veins that they justify the Sri Lanka’s racist laws, and even the Sinhala army atrocities against innocent Tamil civilians, by using history.

        We Tamils want to solve the ethnic conflict with current reality if you want to go back to history, we can also do that. For example, the City of Polanaruwai, founded and built by Tamils in the name of SanaNatha puram. No matter how the Sinhala historians twist, the monuments and building are of Dravidian architecture and Tamils lived and ruled there.

        “The auspicious city of Siva, the lord of creation, Pulainari or Jananathapuram in the Chola land of peerless fertlity” says the inscription. It was the city of Tamils but now fully occupied by the Sinhalese. Does it mean the Eelam Tamils can demand to be settled in the city of Pulainari(Polanaruwai) because it was the city founded by Tamils? Your claim about the East being under the Sinhala kingdom sounds the same. :)

        Whether the East was always under the Sinhala Kingdom or the Tamil rule is debatable. There is enough evidence to show the Dutch were dealing with Tamil Vanniyas in Vanni and not with the Sinhalese, even the names mentioned in the book* were definitely Tamil Vanniya Chieftains. I am sure the fact that the Tamil vanniya chiefs were ruling in the East can also be proven. But arguing about Sri Lankan history with you is like arguing with a Sinhala Skinhead in a yellow robe who already made up his mind about Sri Lanka’s history based on Mahavamsa, and is looking for clues to validate the Mahavamsa stories in the North -East. He will not accept any facts. Only a fool will discuss history with you or a Sinhala monk.

        * Memoir of Hendrick Zwaardecroon, Commandeur of Jaffnapatam (afterwards Governor-General of Nederlands India) 1697.
        For the guidance of the council ot [sic] Jaffnapatam, during his absence at the coast of Malabar.

      • thivya

        ///My experience and deep association has shown that the Jaffna Tamil man is basically a “selfish” man. His first preference is always his clan, no matter what, exceptions yes, but minutely. August 31, 2012 • 12:02 pm .///

        The same Walter also said you have to watch your back when you are dealing with Sinhalese. The problem with Sinhalese are they are jealous and envy Jaffna Tamils. :)

        Just like Walter and Sebastian, I also have opinions about the Sinhala people based on what I heard, read and from interacting with Sinhala people on the net. I believe that collectively the Sinhala people are racists, mean-spirited, and cannot be trusted. A few Tamils’ personal friendships with the Sinhala people cannot be used as a measure to judge the collective Sinhala racism.

        President J R Jayawaradane said that if he makes the Tamils starve, the Sinhala people will be happy. That is the true nature of the Sinhala people. J R Jayawaradane and Mahinda Rajapaksa are the foremost Sinhala leaders who very well understood the racist nature of the Sinhala psyche, and both of them exploited that for their personal gain.

        The majority of Sinhalese know that the Rajapaksas are using the inherent Sinhala hatred and racism to prolong his family rule in Sri Lanka and still they support him. The anti Tamil Sinhala racism is the main factor for the overwhelming popularity of the Rajapaksas in the Sinhala South.

        Every mean spirited racist act against the Tamils by the Sinhala regimes have been collectively endorsed and cheered by the Sinhala masses. The war crimes, mass graves, detention camps, white vans, emergency rule, disappearance, extortion, colonization, rapes, even the destruction of the temples and cemeteries did not raise any objection from the Sinhala people. They welcomed and justified all that in many forums like this one.

        ///the average Tamils, specially the Jaffna Tamils who are caste conscious and a clanish mentality. Their first preference would be their kith and kin and always supportive of their clan. Merit comes later September 1, 2012 • 12:02 pm Sebastian Rasalingam who now lives in Canada says///

        All Tamils will agree that the caste system has damaged the Tamil society, but I doubt the caste system is playing a major role among the Sri Lankan Tamils now. The likes of Sebastian and his ilk (the Tamils poodle who are eating out of the hands of Sinhalese) are badmouthing the Tamils to please their Sinhala masters.

        I don’t think the Sinhalese who institutionalized the caste system can talk about it. The Sinhalese have a caste system that is strong and enshrined in the Sinhala version of Buddhism. Gautama Buddha was totally against the caste system but the Sinhalese Buddhist sects are based on higher and lower Caste systems. The prelate of the Buddhist Temple of Dalada Maligawa must be from the high caste Govigama.

        The low country Sinhalese cannot become the Diyavandana Nilame of Dalada Maligava. They won’t even let the lower caste people go in front of the Elephant in the procession of the Temple of Tooth in Kandy. The Coastal Karava dancers are still not allowed to dance in the procession, but they allow foreigners like the Thai and Japanese dancers. :)

        ///Are you from Jaffna Thivya? Are you a “Proud Pure Bred Tamil Tamil”?
        The days of free loading are over Madam.///

        Yes, I am a Jaffna Tamil, and the descendant of those Tamils who neither put up with the nonsense of Sinhala Princes like Vidhya Bandara nor the Sinhala paupers, who are flocking to Jaffna now to take advantage of the trickledown effect of the Tamil Diaspora’s remittance. :)

        The Jaffna Tamils were never free loading but saved the Sinhala leaders sorry as-s from jail and worked to revive the Sinhala language and culture. The Sinhalese in turn pushed down the Tamil language and backstabbed the same Jaffna Tamils who saved them. That is the nature of the Sinhala people; they are greedy, lazy, conniving and cannot be trusted.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        Take care, God’s decision is plain to see.

        You have started your essay with the words “I think“ but so far you have not displayed any ability to do that beyond parroting Sangam.org

        The reports you paraphrase contain BS, but then you cannot see them, as you cannot think independently of Sangam.org.

        There is a statement within the Crisis Group document that you quoted which says “……in the formerly all-Tamil north ….”.

        Perhaps Crisis Group has some explanation to do. They should explain to the world as to when the North of Lanka became ALL Tamil? Was it BEFORE the Ethnic Cleansing of Muslims and Sinhalese or AFTER.

        If it is after the Ethnic Cleansing, why is the Crisis Group, attempting to legitimise this Crime against Humanity?

        You see Thivya, your much vaunted Crisis Group does not know the SALIENT facts about Lanka. They too seem to be fed by people who make Sangam.org a vocation, like you. Money corrupts Thivya. The Crisis Group is funded mainly by Western Govts. They have to tow the donors line else they get starved. Did not the same thing happen to UN agencies? The Palestinian issue comes to mind.

        Now let’s have a look at what a SECTION of the Tamils are asking in the Tamil name

        1. They want control of 45% of Lanka’s Land Area
        2. They want control of 60% of the Coast Line.
        3. They want control of the 200 mile economic zone that originates from that coast line
        4. They want control of all Resources found and yet to be found within the area claimed.

        Are you in agreement?

        If not please refute it with reasons and explain the reasons.

        I sincerely hope you can do that without all that huffing and puffing.

      • thivya

        ///1. THEY want control of 45% of Lanka’s Land Area
        2. THEY want control of 60% of the Coast Line.
        3. THEY want control of the 200 mile economic zone that originates from that coast line
        4. THEY want control of all Resources found and yet to be found within the area claimed.
        Are you in agreement?///

        OffTheCuff,

        I know my reply will not have any effect in your racist ideas but I just want to show you how racist you sound with your plan, that the Tamil majority regions must become majority Sinhala to reflect the ethnic composition of the country. You thought you can pull the wool over others by saying everyone is getting 10 square meters equally to gloss over the State Sponsored Sinhala colonization as an Equality
        project but you and everyone else in this forum know that is not true.

        The Tamils are not against the free movement of all Sri Lankans. The Tamils are saying the government should not be in the business of Demographic Manipulation. The jealousy, greed, anti Tamil hatred and the Mahavmsa mindset of Sinhalese like you could not let the Tamils have any form of self-rule. Sinhala racists like you want Tamils to be under Sinhalese control forever. That is the issue here.

        Obviously you don’t even want the Tamils to have a provincial government or federalism, you want a unitary Sinhala government, and so only the Sinhalese will enjoy everything, the Tamils and other minorities will live under the mercy of the Sinhalese. It is clear why you love the Tamil quislings who say the Tamils can survive in Sri Lanka only by crawling under Sinhalese feet and they scare the Tamils saying otherwise Sinhalese will kill more Tamils like they killed in Vanni and Tamils will suffer more.

        Please show at least one well known democracy where the majority race of people are demanding to become the majority in the minorities’ traditional areas in order to enjoy the country’s natural resources? Only the Sinhala Hutus are shamelessly claiming that as Equality.

        The Tamils, as Sri Lankans are asking self rule in the areas where they live. It does not mean they want to exclusively control the 45% of land, 60% of coastline and 200 mile economic zone and the natural resources like you say( I have a feeling as usual you are exaggerating these stats). It seems like either you have no clue about the self rule of minorities in their traditional habitat or about federalism or the Sinhala greed and jealousy of Tamils make you to fear monger about it.

        Even if the Tamils had self rule under provincial or federal setup with police and land power, they cannot stop the Sinhalese or any Sri Lankans from settling anywhere in the North – East and the Tamils are not against the free movement of all Sri Lankans either.

        Any found or yet to be found natural resources in the North – East will be shared by other provinces in the form of transfer payment. The North – East province will be paying more taxes to the central government. For example, if they found oil in the North, the Tamils cannot enjoy the oil wealth alone; the oil wealth will be transferred to other provinces as well. The employment opportunities also will be based on merit not by any quota system. If you are afraid that the Sinhalese cannot compete with Tamils on the of merit base, no one can help you with that.

        For example, Oil rich, ‘have’ province of Alberta, Canada does pay more taxes to the federal government and the federal Government distribute the wealth to have not province like Newfoundland to maintain the same Canadian life standard. So you don’t need to be afraid and jealous of Tamils becoming richer than the Sinhalese if they found oil in the North.

        The Tamils of Tamil Nadu controls the longest coast line in India, I don’t see other Indians saying that the Tamils are controlling the longest coastline; we need to settle the Hindi speaking people there, according to the ethnic makeup of the country. If a Bihari wants to find a job and settle in Tamil Nadu, no one can stop him, at the same time the Indian government will not get involved in that. That is a true meaning of equality.

        On one hand the Sinhala President, some Sinhalese and Tamil quislings are saying that we all are Sri Lankans, on the other hand Sinhalese like you are lamenting the Tamils-”THEY”- are controlling 60% of the coast line etc, and we Sinhalese must urgently stop the Tamils by settling 70% of Sinhalese in the North – East a and make the Tamils minority in their historic habitat. So don’t you think the Tamils are Sri Lankans?

        If the Tamils are also Sri Lankans what is the need for this demographic manipulation under the State Sponsored Sinhala colonization? Automatically population migration will happen according to the economic opportunities like in any country. The sad truth is none of the Sinhalese who are lurking in this forum have the decency or humanity to confront your racist blabbering. Unfortunately the people who would be classified as Clan chiefs of the KKK in America are being called Sinhala academics and diplomats in Sri Lanka.

        The funny part is you think that is not racism and you believe no one notices your ugly Sinhala racist face in this forum and you have the nerve to challenge people to answer your racist ideas.

        Neither Tamils nor the LTTE, but the inherent Sinhala racism is the problem haunting Sri Lanka. The same Sinhala racism created the LTTE and the Sinhalese are acting up on the same racist ideas which created the LTTE without any fear now, and are expecting different results. Some Tamils say I am an LTTE sympathizer but I am not so sure about that but I definitely admire and appreciate Prabhakaran more after seeing the Sinhalese like OTC’s attitude towards Tamils and the impending danger to Tamils as people in Sri Lanka, if the GOSL fully implement the Sinhala colonization and militarization of the North – East.

        If the Sinhalese continue with their same racist plans to destroy the Tamil as a nation in their own historic habitat in Sri Lanka, definitely another Prabhakaran will rise among the Eelam Tamils. Thousands of Tamils like me who were either students or too young and didn’t have our own money or any other means to contribute then, hopefully will have another chance to help free our homeland from the clutches of Sinhala racism.

        I don’t care whether you agree with my reply or not. It seems like; you think if you repeat that my knowledge is limited to Sangam.org that will make you look like an intellectual. I am not here to show my knowledge or debating skills. I am just stunned by your blatant racist ideas and how simply without any hesitation you justify the plan of diluting Tamils in their historic habitat by settling the majority Sinhalese according to the ethnic makeup of the country. I actually think you do not deserve any reply but all you need is a white robe, conical hat and a cross to burn in front of some Tamil’s house.

      • thivya

        /// Crisis Group does not know the SALIENT facts about Lanka. They too seem to be fed by people who make Sangam.org a vocation, like you. Money corrupts Thivya. The Crisis Group is funded mainly by Western Govts. They have to tow the donors line else they get starved.//

        This is so typical of Sinhalese. When the UN, Human Rights Watch and every other human rights group was accusing the LTTE of child soldiers, the Sinhalese hailed them as neutral humanitarians and treated every single report produced by them like a bible. When Alan Rock, the envoy sent by the UN accused the government of Sri Lanka of using the Tamil Child soldiers, the Sinhalese badmouthed the well respected former Canadian cabinet minister as being in the LTTE payroll. When the Western governments were funding the GOSL to fight the LTTE (Sinhalese used those funds to destroy Tamils), they were friends of the Sinhalese. Now the western countries are asking for accountability, and therefore the western governments are bad guys now. :)

        The Crisis group is headed by Madam Louise Arbour, CC GOQ, the former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, a former justice of the Supreme Court of Canada and the Court of Appeal for Ontario and a former Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. Since she has July 2009 served as President and CEO of the International Crisis Group .

        I am sure anyone with even a modicum of intelligence, decency and those who have been reading what OTC writes in this forum would trust the integrity of Madam Arbour over OTC.

        //Perhaps Crisis Group has some explanation to do. They should explain to the world as to when the North of Lanka became ALL Tamil? //

        This is what the Crisis Group Said:

        “It is clear that various forms of Sinhalisation are in fact underway in the north. Much of it follows directly from the stationing of tens of thousands of Sinhala-speaking and largely Buddhist troops in the formerly ALL-TAMIL north and the efforts the military has made to entrench its presence and political control.”

        The Crisis Group report says ALL -TAMIL, the North has always been all Tamil – a Tamil speaking province. The Sinhalese regime is trying to change that by State Sponsored colonization and mono ethnic Sinhala ethnic militarization, that’s what the Crisis Group mentioned in that report. They do not need to give any explanation all you have to do is read it again instead of trying to spin it.

      • thivya

        //Was it BEFORE the Ethnic Cleansing of Muslims and Sinhalese or AFTER. If it is after the Ethnic Cleansing, why is the Crisis Group, attempting to legitimise this Crime against Humanity? //

        Offtc,

        Since you have decided to milk the evacuation of Muslims by the LTTE once again, let’s discuss it. The Tamils are not blocking the Muslims settlement; in fact every Tamil leader including Prabhakaran wanted the Jaffna Muslims to be resettled. No Tamil is against the resettlement of Muslims, because the evacuated Muslims were living in Jaffna, that is their homeland and they have the right to return. So what is stopping the Muslim resettlement in Jaffna?

        The GOSL and the mono ethnic Sinhala military is so keen and in a hurry to colonize the North with Sinhalese but even after more than 20 years the Jaffna Muslims are not resettled and languishing in refugee camps, is this the EQUALITY are you talking about?

        “WHO PREVENTS MUSLIMS RESETTLEMENT IN JAFFNA?

        Since 1995, the LTTE has not been in control of Jaffna. If this is the case, what has been lacking and who is obstructing the resettlement in Jaffna of the Muslims in Puttalam?

        There are airports, harbours in Puttalam as well as in Jaffna and the land route, the A9 was opened for nearly three years. This is to say that the government of Sri Lanka prevented the Jaffna Muslims living in Puttalam, from being re-settled in Jaffna. For the last 18 years, the government of Sri Lanka wanted the Muslims to remain in Puttalam, without any fundamental rights, TO SERVE A HIGHLY MOTIVATED INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE LTTE AND TAMILS, that the Muslims from Jaffna had been evacuated by the LTTE. In other words, they were using the Jaffna Muslims to justify the government Sinhalisation and ethnic cleansing of Tamils from the North East.

        Last September, a TCHR representative raised the matter about the resettlement of Jaffna Muslims in a meeting held by the Sri Lankan Mission in Geneva. Four Sri Lankan Ministers – Mahinda Samarasinghe, Keheliya Rambukwella, Athauda Seneviratne and Douglas Devananda, who were on the panel, could not give a proper answer to the question of resettlement of Muslims in Jaffna. This was well witnessed by various diplomats and the representatives of international institutions. This briefing took place as a parallel event, during the UN Human Rights Council secession.

        The displaced Muslims living in Puttalam are in temporary camps without any social, economic and political rights. The government, some NGOs and politically motivated individuals in Sri Lanka and abroad are silent about the day to day problems of these people. Just to get their allocated funds from their masters, these NGOs and individuals raise the issue of the Jaffna Muslims.

        Even before the Jaffna Muslims moved to Puttalam, the BUDDHSIT MONKS and Sri Lankan GOVERNMENT were very careful with their political agenda that the Muslim population in Puttalam should not be allowed to spread to any other area within Puttalam. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS JAFFNA MUSLIMS ARE WITHOUT ANY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS IN PUTTALAM. It is a pity that those NGOs and others are either finding this issue too complex or are pretending to not understand the real problems of displaced Tamils in general.

        ATROCITIES AGAINST THE MUSLIMS IN PUTTALAM:

        In 1974 tension intensified between the Singhalese and Muslims in Mylumkulam in Puttalam. Government officials and the Police showed their partiality and supported the Singhalese.

        In January 1976, as a consequence of the assault of a Muslim youth by a Singhalese bus driver (CTB), Sinhala-Muslims riots broke out in Puttalam. The Muslims in Sirampiaddy, Pottuvil and other villagers were severely attacked. A MOSQUE AT POTTUVIL (QUELA MOSQUE) WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND 18 MUSLIMS WHO WERE ASSEMBLED IN ANOTHER MOSQUE IN PUTTALAM WERE SHOT DEAD. The Muslims working in the Cement Cooperation in Puttalam were attacked and no protection was given by the Police. During this period, only members of the Federal Party raised this matter in the Sri Lankan Parliament.

        In August 2006, a case was filed by some Singhalese against the purchase of 30 acres of land by Muslims in Palavi, Puttalam. This case was rejected by the Court. When the Muslims who were displaced from Jaffna, were moving onto this land, a group of Singhalese, led by a BUDDHIST MONK, IMMEDIATELY CHASED THEM AWAY VIOLENTLY, PREVENTING THEM FROM SETTLING IN PALAVI. ON THE SAME DAY THEY INSTALLED A STATUE OF BUDDHA IN THAT VILLAGE.

        Presently, Muslim farmers and fishermen in Amparai, Batticaloa and Trincomalee are facing similar problems. Certain actors in Sri Lanka and abroad are making a good living by talking about the Jaffna Muslims. In practice, they are not really considering the facts and the historical background of the IDPs. While they speak about the Jaffna Muslims, they seem to ignore the fact that there are thousands of Tamils, who have been chased away from Amparai, Batticaloa and Trincomalee long before the Jaffna Muslims, and also ought to be resettled in their original homes. THE GOVERNMENT OF SRI LANKA IS REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE RECENT TURMOIL IT HAS CREATED AMONG THE TAMILS.

        AHMADIYYA MUSLIM COMMUNITY:

        IN ANOTHER DIVIDE AND RULE TACTIC PRACTISED BY THE SRI LANKAN RULERS – tensions and animosity have been created between the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and the other Muslim population, often resulting in sporadic violence and killings in Sri Lanka. This has been intensified in recent years.

        STATE SPONSORED SINHALA COLONIZATION OF TAMIL-MULSIM VILLAGES:

        Since Mahinda Rajapaksa came to power, full swing Sinhalisation and ethnic cleansing has been rampant in the North East. Statues of Buddha are planted everywhere, the names of Tamil villages are renamed with Singhalese names and the Tamils and Muslims who lived for centuries in the North East are chased away over night, while the Singhalese are settled, ACCORDING TO AN OVERT PLAN TO CHANGE THE DEMOGRAPHY OF THE NORTH EAST.

        Simultaneously, around Trincomalee, Batticaloa and Jaffna and many other villages in the North East, there has also been mass settlement of Sinhalese. The statistics are for the kind consideration of UN institutions, Experts in the field of human rights, members of civil society and others. ”

        The above article from ‘Tamilcanadian.com- Can you challenge this article? :)

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        I asked a simple question and you go around the Mulberry Bush to confuse the reader.

        I ask you again, please confirm the following or refute it giving reasons.

        The proponents of the Mythical Historic Tamil Homeland claims exclusivity in,

        1. Control of 45% of Lanka’s Land Area
        2. Control of 60% of the Coast Line.
        3. Control of the 200 mile economic zone that originates from that coast line
        4. Control of all Resources found and yet to be found within the area claimed.

        Is it because you are afraid to give a direct answer that you are verbose?

        Apparently you go be feeling things, be careful of what you touch.

        If you don’t even have the intelligence to verify geographical facts then you should not be in this conversation.

        You have admitted ignorance of what you are trying to debate.

        The above is the basis of this discussion.
        Hence make a clear statement without running around the Mulberry Bush.

        Can you do that?

        Crisis Group and Louise Arbour.

        We are not interested in the credentials of Louise Arbour.
        We are interested in what you have quoted from a Crisis Group report.
        Credentials of Louise Arbour or anybody else are irrelevant to that.

        You say “The Crisis group is headed by Madam Louise Arbour, CC GOQ, the former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, a former justice of the Supreme Court of Canada and the Court of Appeal for Ontario and a former Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. Since she has July 2009 served as President and CEO of the International Crisis Group”

        Please explain how that can justify the following quote from the Crisis Group Report.

        which says “……in the formerly all-Tamil north ….”

        The NORTH was never ALL Tamil (it is common knowledge to anyone interested in Sri Lanka), not withstanding Louise Arbour or anyone else, excepting the period between Ethnic Cleansing and Nanthikadal on May 19 2009.

        Crisis Group compromised their outward appearance of impartiality by that single indiscretion.

      • thivya

        //The proponents of the Mythical Historic Tamil Homeland claims exclusivity in,1. Control of 45% of Lanka’s Land Area.//

        Sri Lanka Total area: 65,610 sq km (25,332 sq mi )

        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107992.html

        Tamil Eelam Total area: 21,952 km2 (8,476 sq mi)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka

        (21952/65610) x100 = 33% :)

        //If you don’t even have the intelligence to verify geographical facts//

        There is a huge difference between 45% and 33%. See I knew that you exaggerated the number. :)

        [Crisis Group compromised their outward appearance of impartiality by that single indiscretion.]

        This guy is so pathetic, he thinks he can win arguments by nit picking the wording and ignore the main content of the reports. He knows that he cannot deny the fact that the Sinhalization and militarization of the North is mentioned in the Crisis Group report.

        The phrase ‘Tamil North’ and ‘Sinhala South’ does not mean only the Tamils and Sinhalese are living in the North and south of Sri Lanka. It means the pre dominant language and the group of people in the North and South are Tamil and Sinhala speaking. ‘ALL – Tamil North’ means all of them in the North are Tamil speaking. Now he thinks he can spin this to discredit the Crisis Group. :))

        This guy did the same thing with Brian Blodgett’s (Director of the History and Military Studies Programs for the American Public University) report. He left the actual content and looked for small errors in the report. That is HIS STYLE. He hung on to Brian Blodgett’s report because he found a few errors in his reports regarding Sri Lanka’s history to discredit the professor. He ignored my post below because it shows the Pro Sinhala Asian Tribune and the Sri Lankan magazine called Weekend Leader agreeing with what Prof. Brian Blodgett said about the mono Sinhala nature of the Sri Lankan Army.

        If you are so certain the Sri Lankan armed forces are not Mono Ethnic but represent the ethnic makeup of the country, please challenge the following websites and New Magazines for ruining the good name of the Sri Lankan armed forces.

        The funny part is even the Asian Tribune,” a notorious echo chamber of the Rajapaksa brothers reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda on behalf of the Third Reich, “is saying:

        “Currently, ONLY MEMBERS OF THE MAJORITY SINHALESE COMMUNITY ARE ALLOWED TO JOIN THE ARMED FORCES IN THE COUNTRY.”

        http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2010/09/10/re-structure-lankan-armed-forces-enlist-minorities-set-national-planning-language-co

        Sri Lankan deputy high commissioner in Chennai P. M Amza refused to tell the Editor of the Weekend leader, how many Tamils are in the Sri Lankan army. Can you provide that information or challenge Vinoj Kumar, the Editor of the Weekend Leader for lying?

        ” In Sri Lanka, Tamils are not treated on par with the Sinhalese. They are NOT inducted into the army, which is almost a 100 percent Sinhalese force. Are there any Tamils in the force at all? The then Sri Lankan deputy high commissioner in Chennai P M Amza refused to reveal the number of Tamils in the Lankan army when I sought the information from him in an email interview in 2007. I was a correspondent with Tehelka then. ”

        http://www.theweekendleader.com/Causes/541/gruesome-genocide.html

        “The Sinhalization of the armed forces continued under the United National Party government of President Jayewardene. The retirement of the British-educated cadre of Tamil and Burgher officers gradually depleted the ranks of minority members. At the same time, the growing ethnic divisions in the country and the deployment of the armed forces against the Tamil population in the Northern Province tended to discourage young Tamil males from pursuing a career in the military.

        BY 1985 ALMOST ALL ENLISTED PERSONNEL IN THE ARMED SERVICES WERE SINHALESE.”

        http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-13282.html
        http://www.mongabay.com/history/sri_lanka/sri_lanka-ethnic_composition_of_the_armed_forces.html

        “All these events were instrumental in changing the SRI LANKA ARMED FORCES TO A MORE SINHALESE BUDDHIST INSTITUTION of more populist stratification and social composition.”

        http://www.slageconr.net/slsnet/10thicsls/abstracts/abs014.pdf

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Thivya,

        Hmm you are right, I have made a mistake. Sorry.
        We were discussing the Public land holding and Public Owned Resources (Private Land cannot be divided) and I have omitted to qualify it.

        This is what I wrote on August 29, 2012 • 5:34 pm
        Sri Lanka’s Land is divided as follows
        Private Land 15%
        Public Land 85%

        In 1999 the actual land was divided as follows

        State Land 5,440,000 ha = 83%
        Private Land 1,112,500 ha = 17%

        The second mistake was the approx data I used as seen above.
        Private land is proportional to the population.

        It now appears that the Eelamist claim is 2,012,929 Hectares or 37% of State Land. Which is 0.6 Hectares per capita.

        While the rest of the population has 3,478,870 Hectares or 63% of State land, which is 0.21 per capita.

        The above used 2012 population data.

        The Eelamists thus claim 3 times more Publicly owned land as the rest.

        I also see that the separatists are claiming 49% of the Inland waters of Lanka as well. Thank you for providing the data. I also note that you have not contested usurping 60% of Lanka’s coastline

        Now comes the difficult part.

        How do you justify usurping 37% of Lanka’s Public Land and 49% of Lanka’s inland Waters?

        Even if we go by your simplistic calculations how do you justify what you are claiming?

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        Crisis Group loses credibility because they have shown that they are not objective and is partial when they stated in their report “……in the formerly all-Tamil north ….”.

        The North was NEVER ALL Tamil.
        It was Majority Tamil.

        That Thivya, is the huge difference.

        This sentence was deliberately used to give a Tamil bias to the report and colour the minds of the readers. Anyone who is unbiased and has a command of the language will realise that, in spite of your contortions.

        Crisis Group Discredited itself, no one had to do it for them.

        I believe you have a memory problem.

        We have discussed Prof Brian Blodgett and both you and Sangam.org was proven wrong. Why are you dishonestly trying to bring in Blodgett to a thread where the readers are unaware of the arguments? You were able to read only the TWO LINES that Sangam.org reported but I possess the complete book.

        Extract from Blodgett’s book
        Retention, Recruitment, and Training
        In 1962, a policy of recruiting only from the Sinhalese Buddhist community was instituted. This was the beginning of an ethnically pure army and caused Tamils and other ethnic groups to believe they were viewed as “second-class citizens” who could not even be trusted to protect the country. No records involving retention or recruitment are available.
        End Extract

        The Authority quoted by Blodgett is “World Armies” by John Keegan page 651 published in 1979

        1962 is 50 years ago.

        If such a policy existed, the SL Forces would today be a 100% Buddhist.

        This is absolute nonsense, which even a die hard separatist racist, with even an iota of intelligence, would not dare to utter, as it can be disproved without any effort.

        But then, that would be a separatist racist which has intelligence.

        Please don’t think you can win arguments by throwing names.
        It won’t work, not on GroundViews.

      • Gamarala

        Off the cuff, the nature of your arguments are becoming so tenuous that it is becoming increasingly unnecessary to even argue against you – just leave you be and your arguments will unravel on their own, just like our dear Thivya! In fact, I would argue that the two of you are a match made in heaven, why not consider forwarding a marriage proposal? ;-)

        I happen to know some people directly/indirectly involved with the Crisis Group and I can say that, at least the people I know are very decent, upstanding individuals. Furthermore, the substance of their critique has nothing to do with whether the North is all Tamil or not, and it is an amusing display of intellectual evasion to insist on mathematical rigour in one’s wording, when the main issues flagged in their report are in neglect. And by golly, to actually use the precision of wording as your main counter-argument – you have considerable testicular fortitude indeed.

        At least, your strategy is self-evident – discredit them however you can, so you don’t have to deal with the issues eh?

      • Off the Cuff

        Gamarala,

        There are many upstanding, decent and honest individuals in the MR administration whom I happen to know. Does that mean that the MR administration is above Criticism? Why make these childish arguments?

        The wording … “All Tamil North”… was deliberately introduced to add a Pro Tamil Bias into the contents of the report. Are you suggesting that the North was ALL TAMIL except after the immediate aftermath of the Ethnic cleansing by the LTTE?

        The Crisis Group undermined their own credibility by using provocative language in their report. I only pointed it out.

        Are you contesting that?

        BTW. I am happily married and would not require the services of a broker (the better description would not meet with the GV guide lines). However I see that Thivya and you both see eye to eye re the Crisis Group. Hence why not approach her if you are not happily married?

        The hallmark of your arguments is the personal comments that you seem unable to refrain from. If you cannot argue the contents of a post, you should try taking the advise that you offer all and sundry so freely. That was what Mahadenamuththa, the village idiot, who thought he was wise, used to do.

  • walter

    TO Mindfully,
    Thanks, Certainly the Sinhala folk are generous, more helpful than an average Tamil man. In my travels right round the Country during problem times the Village Sinhala man stands ready to help you.
    But you have to watch your back, that has been my experience.
    I have no aspersions, but I think that is a standard human failing.
    You hear of so many stories of friends stabbing after an argument, usually after a drink. That happens at one level where exposure has been denied to them. That is a serious problem which exesabated after turning the whole Country into Swabasha.
    I am a Tamil, but not a Tamil, Tamil. I do not read and write Tamil or Sinhalese. My mother’s and Father’s tongue is English, in other words we have always conversed in English. Tamil and Sinhala for communicating with domestic’s and shopkeepers.
    My friends are 99% Sinhala Buddhist’s, my relatives are Buddhist’s, Christians, Muslims and Hindus. But most often our language is English.
    I voted for Chandrika because she promised to dismantle the Executive Presidency. She cheated me and millions of others.
    I reluctantly voted for Rajapakse, because Sarath Fonseka was a vindictive man, he has a horrible reputation for violating Human Rights. Ranil made a grave mistake in nominating Sarath Fonseka and giving him an un entitled Pedestal. Now Sarath Fonseka is taking advantage.
    Now Rajapakse and Ranil both have cheated, both supposed to be Lawyers and Good Sinhala Buddhist’s.
    So my dear now you can see my point, the quagmire Sri Lanka is saddled with.
    I KEEP ON SAYING THAT UNTIL THE SINHALA MENTALITY IS REHABILITATED AND BUDDHISM KEPT AWAY FROM POLITICS THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER COME OUT OF THIS MORASS.
    My frustration is that though born and bred in this Country, I am caught up in the whirlwind and the greatest regret is that all these things started after this “Independence”
    Thank you

  • Keynes!

    Thivya,

    I come in peace. I hope you won’t leave me in pieces.

    1. Colombo was a part of the Chola Empire. Why aren’t you claiming Colombo as part of Tamil Eelam?

    2. Do you think that the cricketer Jeevantha Kulatunga is a descendant of Kulatunga Chola?

    3. CT Kulatunga Associates are a firm of chartered accountants in Wattala. A wisecrack quipped to me that they hold the records of the accounts receivable during the reign of Kulatunga Chola.

    • thivya

      Keynes,

      //2. Do you think that the cricketer Jeevantha Kulatunga is a descendant of Kulatunga Chola?

      If Perci Mahinda Rajapaksa can be the direct Descendant of the Naga Prince Dutu Gemenu, 161-137 BC, and Ellawela has all the records to prove the family tree, Why can’t Jeevantha Kulatunga be the descendant of Kulothungs Chola 1178-1218 A.D. It seems like they are your friends, lucky you, why don’t you ask them. :)

      1. Colombo was a part of the Chola Empire. Why aren’t you claiming Colombo as part of Tamil Eelam?

      I think you missed the point. The claim that the East was part of the Sinhala kingdom is similar to the fact that Polanaruwai was founded by Tamils and was part of the Tamil kingdom. So we have to find a solution to the ethnic problem based on the current realty that theEast is a majority Tamil speaking province.

      Your sarcasm aside, the fact is many Sinhalese who are claiming to be the direct descendants of Duttu Gemunu are actually the descendants of Tamils who were gradually Sinhalized. The Sinhalese are the majority today because of the assimilation of Tamils into the Sinhala society.

      There are so many Sinhala family names are Tamil, for example.

      Thevaraperuma(n) –

      They are the descendants of people who were the Thevaram Singers in Temples during the Chola period. The Emperor Raja Raja the Great discovered palm leaves (Olai) containing Thevaarams (the devotional hymns) sung by the Saivite saints centuries ago hidden in a secret underground chamber in the temple of Sithamparam, Tamil Nadu. The emperor Raja Raja Chola engraved those hymns in copper plates and nominated special families to sing these songs in the Saivite Temples in his vast empire. They were called Thevaraperuman.

      Thevaram : Garland of Devotional Songs.

      Theva = Divine, God

      Aaaram = garland

      Peruman = a respectable person

      ThennakOon – the King of the South, ancient days the Tamil Pandiya kings were called Thennavan or ThennakOOn.

      Then= South Koon = King

      Nanayakara – Person who has money/Dignity – Rich guy or respectable person or village elder.
      (Nanayam = Money or Dignity. Kaaran = the holder -feminine -Kaari)

      AlagakOon – The handsome King

      Alagu = Beauty KoOn= King

      Ponnamperuma(n) – The Lord Nadarajah of Sithambaram(Tamil Nadu) who is dancing in the Golden Hall.

      Pon = Gold, Peruman= the Lord Siva

      Kumarathunga – The Tamil King who captured the area of river Tungapatra. Also see Chola King Kulothungan.

      Mekavannan – Lord Vishnu.- the God’s complexion is like the blue sky
      ( Meka = clouds. Vannam = color)

      Pandaram >Bandara – the indigenous Tamil priest of village Temples

      Kaakavanna ( Duttu Gemunus Father) – the King who is dark as a crow

      There are so many Sinhala family names are of Tamil origin.

      T:)

      • Keynes!

        Off the Cuff,

        Please publish your real name here. Your friend Thivya will then be able to give you your historical origin.

        I am sure you are a Sena-Nayaka(r).

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        Dutugemunu probably spoke only in Tamil and wrote only in Tamil.

        I have no idea however as to what language he was using to dream.

      • Keynes!

        Thivya,

        “It seems like they are your friends, lucky you, why don’t you ask them.”

        Why don’t you ask Off the Cuff about our friendship? He will point you to all the niceties he has written about me on GV!

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    The discussions here and in the political arena point to two alternatives:

    1. An independent Tamil Eelam or something quite near. Words such as internal- and external self-determination are often used to outline this option OR

    2. Accomodations for Tamils and other minorties within the Sri Lankan polity, to permit them to make decisions on their respective communal affirs and participate in national governance.

    ‘The right to Self determination’as demanded by some is only a prelude to Tamil Eelam,if one is to go by the intense propaganda effort being made by champions who choose to remain anonymous. The Canadian example extensively cited by many, is proving to be a bad example. The province of Quebec has elected a party that is determined to seek independence for Quebec. The first gun shots have been fired already. External self determination for Quebec may become a reality soon, if Canada accepts this separation,consequent to another referendum in Quebec. The Canadian example is no longer a valid option for those like me who want Sri Lanka to be one country, where diversity is accomodated judiciously and generously.

    If the northern province is to take the same route as in the past, again, the results would be catastrophic for the Tamils who have to live here and Sri Lanka. Do we have to take this path knowing what it has entailed in the past and cost the Tamils and the country?

    I am for the second alternative. I have no objections to being called Rajasingalam, Pro-Sinhala or by any other epithet. I do not want another riot, war and terror; destruction,deaths,trauma,displacement and mayhem; and any more Kattankudi’s or Puthukudiyiruppu’s to happen ever again, even after I am dead. I HAVE WITNESSED AND EXPERIENCED THE ABOVE EVILS IN AMPLE MEASURE AND DO NOT WANT THEM TO VISIT ANYONE EVER AGAIN.

    Individual crimes and related problems are what keep men and women at the human level. If not for these frailties, we will become the Gods! However, when there is community related criminality and resort to violence,terrorism and war, we become beasts. We have been there once, let us not create conditions for a repeat.

    History is always ‘His story’ and is hence tainted by many biases in perception, articulation and interpretation. It is always ‘His Story’and not the ‘Other’s story’. The future cannot and should not be dictated by only history. We have all made our share of historical mistakes. We have to accept our individual/group/community roles in this history and reconcile our perceptions of that history, before we can reconcile as peoples and communities. Evil is evil,and trying to give weightage who or what was more evil, will only create more rancour.

    We have to thereafter identify what the ‘real problems’are and engage to find solutions for the future. This would require readyness to forgive, impartial study, honesty of purpose, clear and unimpeachable thoughts, absence of rancour and mutual accomodation.

    We have to however decide first what type of Sri Lanka we want for the future. This is yet to be defined clearly. Once defined, it should bind everyone across the social and political spectrum. It should be a national covenant that is never breached. This definition is something all Sri Lankans who have made her their home have to actively seek and be supported by their compatriots who have chosen a life elsewhere (the reasons do not matter) in the effort. This task cannot be entrusted to the politicians. We the people have to take the lead. No one should however pour fuel on fires that have died down, leaving occasional embers scattered.

    My definition for a new Sri Lanka encompasses option two.

    Let us use this forum to discuss what we want, instead what was.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Please find below the link to a paper I presented a few months back on the subject of education, reconciliation and national harmony. I hope the matters discussed in this paper will add meaning to the discussions here-in and elsewhere in GV, especially about the situation in Puthukudiyiruppu’by Ruki and on ‘Truth and Justice’ by Sumathy Rajasingham.

    http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/4669

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • walter

    Thivaya

    I admire you knowledge and skill in meeting with sustainable arguments. In particular your views and replies to “OFF.
    Like you said, some are, not only fool hardy, but also their racist and monopolistic attitude and belief are so strongly entrenched that no amount of reasoning will bring them to their senses.
    I do not have the skill and knowledge you possess, therefore I hope that you will continue to gather more momentum in this racial debate.
    However, many and most of our Sinhala Buddhist compatriots are essentially and inherently buried their heads “like an ostrich” in the sand, so that they do not want to hear or see the Truth.

    • Burning_Issue

      Dear walter,

      I agree that Thivya possesses good debating skills and knowledge. My only beef with her is to do with her sympathy towards the LTTE; on this platform, she cannot successfully counter the levelheaded Sinhala.

      “However, many and most of our Sinhala Buddhist compatriots are essentially and inherently buried their heads “like an ostrich” in the sand, so that they do not want to hear or see the Truth.”

      On the contrary, many Sinhala know the truth but their inherent insecurity weaken their ability to reason! No matter how educated a Sinhala is and possess a vast amount of knowledge about social justice drawing sound judgments on world order, yet he/she fails to reason on the Tamil issue; why? This is because, the Sinhala have a collective inherent fear that they are not safe being surrounded by the “hostile” Indians. Everything about the Sinhala is Indian in origin; yet, they rather align with the Chinese than the Indians! What can the Tamils do to make the Sinhala feeling secure and at the same time prevent the gradual erosion of their identity?

      OTC’s vision is to make the whole of Sri Lanka being populated based on the national population ratio, which means about 70% Sinhala in all parts of Sri Lanka including the North and East. OTC knows that if his vision is achieved, the Sinhala security is guaranteed. He has no problems giving any amount of autonomy to the North and East on this basis! But he has scant regards to the Tamil sentiments; right to their language! He will ostensibly say that the Tamil language policy should be implemented throughout the nation, but he knows that the 70% Sinhala majority in all parts of the country, in the long run, would ensure eventual demise of the Tamil language!

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,

        You are correct when you say I stand for complete devolution to the Minorities (not just the Tamils). But you are incorrect when you say I want the whole of Lanka populated by the National Ethnic percentages.

        I will support full devolution to the provinces (including Police and Land powers) while reserving, Lanka’s security, foreign affairs (including all foreign financial dealings) and Immigration and Emigration to the Central Govt. A province would also not be free to print its own money.

        I only argue that ANY Province should have a land allocation that reflects its population.

        I don’t argue that each province should have the National Ethnic distribution.

        I also argue that when Central Govt funds are used for development every eligible member of each community be given an equitable and just share of that development.

        I don’t argue that this principle be applied when a Province spends its own funds for any development.

        Consider the following, In 2010 the Northern Province had a population of 1.193 million of which 0.998 million were Tamils.

        The Public Land holding of Lanka is = 53300 sq km (we are not discussing private land which remains unaffected).

        The total population of Lanka is 20.653 million

        Hence the Northern province should have an extent of 0.002581×1193000 + the existing Private Land. Which is 3079 sq Km of Public Land + Existing Private land. Please note this is not an ethnic based allocation of land but a Population based one.

        The Northern Province will STILL have the previous ethnic distribution which is 998,000 Tamils and 195,000 others. The Tamils would still have the same Ethnic majority that it had previously.
        So how can anyone claim that the Ethnic distribution was altered?

        This would be the profile of the Northern Province

        Total Population 1,193,000
        Total Tamil Population 998,000
        Total other ethnicities 195,000
        Total Land area 3079 Sq Km + existing Private Land Area

        I have not argued for any change in demography
        The Provincial Govt would be free to use any language which it desires as the official language of the province. There is no barrier for the Tamil Language to be the official language of the Northern province while being a National Language of Sri Lanka.

        The Northern Province is an overwhelmingly Tamil province and it would be governed according to the wishes of that Tamil Majority.

        However I will support and argue that Tamil and Sinhala be both taught to all children in Sri Lanka. Sinhal students would be taught Tamil as a second Language and Vice versa for the Tamils. This is happening now.

        What is the danger that the above exposes the Tamil Language to?
        I can see none. In fact it will foster the Tamil Language.

        This same argument applies to ALL provinces.

      • thivya

        Offthecuff is trying to do damage control and to hide his ugly racist face. This is not the current State sponsored Sinhala colonization project he has been defending and justifying.

        “…Sinhalese colonization of Tamil districts was willfully carried out to change the ethnic and political character of Tamil areas.It is estimated that almost a quarter of the island’s population was moved from the Wet Zone to the Dry Zone between 1946 and 1971, under peasant colonization schemes. These colonization schemes altered the ethnic composition of Tamil provinces. In particular, Sinhalese population in the Trincomalee District increased from 3.8% to 33.6% of the total population between 1911 and 1981. During the same period, the Tamil population decreased from 56.8% to 33.7% in the district. In the Amparai District, Sinhalese population increased from 7.0% to 38%, while the Tamil population declined from 37.0% to 20.0% between 1911 and 1981. This rapid increase in the number of Sinhalese settlers in the Eastern Province led to the creation of the Sinhalese electorates of Seruvila and Amparai in 1976…”

        SRI LANKA’S EASTERN PROVINCE: LAND,DEVELOPMENT, CONFLICT
        http://www.observatori.org/paises/pais_75/documentos/159_sri_lanka_s_eastern_province___land__development__conflict.pdf

        Reflections on land and the national question in Sri Lanka

        “State-aided land colonization in the East and the North, which began in the 1930s, became a part of this project of building a state with a dominant mono-ethnic character in a multi-ethnic society.”

        http://www.jdslanka.org/index.php/2012-01-30-09-31-17/politics-a-economy/135-land-and-the-national-question-in-sri-lanka

        INDICTMENT AGAINST SRI LANKA SINHALA COLONISATION OF
        TAMIL HOMELAND
        http://tamilnation.co/indictment/indict003.htm

        Militarization and colonization in the name of national integration and reconciliation
        http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2012/03/militarization-and-colonization-in-name.html

        DESTRUCTIO OF TAMIL COMMUNITY IN SRI LANKA
        https://www.tamilsagainstgenocide.org/DestructionOfTamil.html

        There is more than enough books and links in google to show that the current State sponosred colonization is designed to make the Tamils a minority in their historic habitat in the North – East.

      • Off the Cuff

        Thivya,

        I am aware that you rush in where even Angels fear to tread.

        But then Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad

        As a newcomer to GV, it is advisable do some research about what I have written on GV before you stuff your mouth again with your foot.

        Good luck

      • Dr.Rajasinglham Narendran

        Dear Off the Cuff,

        Thanks for elucidating your position on colonization quite lucidly. I remember the long discussion we had on this topic sometime back on another thread on GV.

        Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Dr Rajasingham Narendran,

        It was an enjoyable and interesting discussion as I did not have to deal with any bigotry. I learned a lot during that discussion.

        Burning Issue and I have also discussed this subject and Singapore’s Ethnic Integration Policy a long time ago. I am awaiting to see his views on the subject.

        Thank You
        OTC

    • Off the Cuff

      Madam Walter,

      Why are you looking for a cat’s paw ?
      Thivya can’t lick your wounds for you, as her knowledge is limited to Sangam.org. She is also a Tamil Tamil from Jaffna and your previous posts have described who they are. She is also the person who brought Prof Brian Blogett to GV.

      This time she has brought The Crisis Group.
      Probably you can help her to answer the questions posed here with your 74 years of experience and maturity.

      http://groundviews.org/2012/08/06/the-kattankudy-mosque-massacre-in-sri-lanka-22-years-after/#comment-48355

  • Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    The following is the link to the entire proceedings of the seminar on education and reconciliation organized by the Luxshman Kadirgamar Institute in Colombo:

    http://www.kadirgamarinstitute.lk/pub/report_2012_03_13.pdf

    This is how it was reported in the Tamilnet:

    http://tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=35016

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

  • Keynes!

    Thivya,

    Scholars such as K. Indrapla and S.J. Tambiah have argued that Tamils would be in a better position if they would refrain from using the historical homeland concept and instead invoke international human rights instruments for the cause.

    What are your thoughts on this?

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