A few evenings ago, parents were invited to our son’s school which goes up to Grade 8 for a presentation on Bullying.  Dr. Tina Daniel, Asst Professor of Psychology at Carleton University engaged in researching children’s relationships, violence and bullying facilitated the session.   She and her research colleagues had already spent the day in school first making a presentation at the assembly, then a workshop with teachers and classroom sessions with children themselves.

In her presentation she showed footage of an actual playground incident where a girl aged 12 was being bullied by another bunch of girls.  As she deconstructed the scene, there was a child seated on the ground and about five girls hovering around her and it appeared innocent enough, but a closer look revealed her being taunted and teased, as she had her head down crying.   It appeared that this pack of girls had a leader who was directing all this.

Dr. Daniel stated that bullying does not have to be violent, in fact covert forms of bullying such as teasing, ignoring, ostracizing can be even more harmful as they can be mentally agonizing for children, affect their self esteem and confidence.  She also said that a lot of bullying happens between girls and between boys separately.  Surprisingly, her research shows that girls also bully boys, rather than the other way around.

She provided the teachers, students and now the parents ways to understand, recognize and prevent bullying when it happens.  When there is an environment that is conducive to it, the stronger children who have a sense of confidence, and maybe even born with some aggression in their genes, tend to pick on those who are quieter and more timid.  For the bully, these actions tend to enhance their power and the ego.  She told us that even watching someone get bullied is a form of endorsement for the bully and the least one could do is to walk away from it, if he or she cannot intervene and stop it.   She urged parents and teachers to be constantly aware and vigilant and to deal with incidents immediately.

Dr. Daniel’s philosophy of dealing with the offenders was also appreciative.  She said, the perpetrators are not “bad kids”, just that they are not aware of the consequences of their actions, as often the victims suffer in silence.  She suggested that teachers and parents engage in a dialogue with them in a positive appreciative manner and ensure that the behaviour of the bully changes.

Also, if bullying is looked upon as “uncool” and there is peer pressure against it, it may stop.

She highlighted the importance of addressing the issue with the perpetrators, as a 4 year old bully will continue this behaviour and eventually may end up in extreme cases committing violent crimes.  Evidence shows that many violent adults also bullied when they were young.

This is a good lesson for Sri Lanka, as bullying is rampant is schools and with the current example of a political leadership that perpetuates the bully culture of violence.

The recent public firefight which left many people dead and hurt reinforces this behaviour in schools as, if political leaders can do it in public with impunity, what is there to stop the children.

Maybe Duminda Silva was a bully as a child, maybe by nature he has violent tendencies, but it is only in a conducive environment he metes out his aggression.  If he knew there were consequences for his violent action, he may behave differently, but the impunity he has been provided sadly by the current system of governance allows him to be destructive.

…..but we all know the saying, one who lives by the sword, dies by the sword….a saying not heeded by the powers that be.  It is a sad reflection of the current state of a nation founded on the most compassionate of teachings of the Buddha.

Sri Lanka’s leaders, be it from the political, judicial, education or business allowing these acts to go unabated endorses this culture to perpetuate itself into the future.

That is why I am impressed with the Ottawa Carleton District School Board taking the initiative to create a humane, positive, appreciative, safe and a peaceful environment from a very young age.  This is especially a challenge as Ottawa, like many other cities in Canada is multicultural where over 100 nationalities share the school system.  Yet, it is investing heavily in the future of Canada.  It recognizes that prosperity can come and be sustained only in an environment of harmony and respectful relationships, where people’s dignities are protected.

Dr. Daniel’s work with the school board is a part of a larger philosophy and initiative called Lead the Way, as creating a respectful environment free of violence is crucial to foster creativity and openness required for prosperity.

The school board administering 147 schools in the Ottawa district has a vision founded on three principles of inclusion and engagement.   They are stated in their website as follows;

  • Each individual has unique capacities and ideas that need to be recognized. It is one of the driving forces behind our leadership initiative. It is our responsibility to reach out, to value, and tap into each of these capacities.
  • By harnessing these individual capacities, our organization will be enriched and invigorated and,
  • The intended result is to achieve a culture of engagement where people feel valued and supported in an environment that embraces and systematically promotes ongoing learning fostered through internal and external dialogue.

They recognized that being bullied is definitely not being valued and supported as a child.

We have some simple lessons to learn from this for Sri Lanka.  Let us begin with the child as the adults seem a lost cause.  Teach them the basics of respect for self and others.  Protecting another’s dignity is to keep one’s own dignity intact.

  • yapa

    I don’t know whether the news below is relevant to the topic, but it is interesting.

    ……….
    Rajaratnam, the central figure in a sprawling insider trading case, was convicted by a jury in May on all 14 criminal charges he faced. His 11-year prison sentence is the longest ever in an insider-trading case. He must report to prison on November 28.

    Rajaratnam told the newspaper he respected the U.S. justice system.

    “In Sri Lanka I would have given the judge 50,000 rupees and he’d be sitting having dinner at my house,” Rajaratnam was quoted as saying. “Here, I got my shot. The American justice system is by and large fair.”
    ………

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/24/us-galleon-rajaratnam-idUSTRE79N4RP20111024

    Thanks!

    • @yapa

      hmmm…if their is any relevance to the topic, it is to do with the fact that this Dharmishta island is a 100 times more corrupt than the US.

      If Rajaratnam was an opposition MP in SL…all he would have had to do was to cross over to MRs side (with the good intention of strengthening MRs arm) and the files on all his illegal activities would have very conveniently vanished into thin air, and any cops who continued looking for evidence on Rajaratnam would have been transferred to the North & East.

    • Diffpersepective

      Very true Mr. Yapa…very true and as Mr. Rajararatnam says the American Justice system is by far and large very fair… but it has taken them 225+ years after independence and managing their own affairs independently to achieve that…. The American justice system 60+ years after independence (as what we are today) was a far cry from what it is today… This is not to say we should not aspire to it.. But comparing the current US system to the current SL system is to compare Apples with Oranges…. while the US electorate and the institutions have evolved and matured and refined over 225 years, Sri Lanka has been in it only for 60+ years… if you want to compare, try comparing the Justice systems of the US 60+ years after independence to Sri Lanka.

      • yapa

        Dear Diffpersepective:

        Do you think 225+ years in not a sufficient period for a community to be civilized, (looking at what is happening today in the international arena)?

        Thanks!

  • @ Diffpersepective

    “Comparing the current US system to the current SL system is to compare Apples with Oranges?”

    ….Oh My God Noooo…try comparing it with Apples and rotten eggs! 😀

    • yapa

      Dear PresiDunce Bean;

      Everybody’s guess is that US is a rotting egg today, Ha! Ha!!

      Thanks!

      • @ yapa

        So if the US is a rotting egg and such a shitty place to live in…why don’t we see American men and women trying to enter Sri Lanka (The Wonder of Asia and the Universe) illegally on ships and boats and hidden in containers etc??? 😀

    • yapa

      Dear PresiDunce Bean;

      Those rotting egg people would have already been here if we had oil here, they would have come not in containers but in tanks and planes. I think you would have been looking forward with a garland in your hand to welcome those pack of robbers bowing down your head to their white skin. Ha! Ha!!

      Thanks!

      • @yapa

        Most certainly YES yapa. I don’t bow down my head to any man…but I would welcome the Americans or British or any other 1st world country with open arms. This country needs good management.This country was well managed under the British and once they left, the shit hit the fan.

        You also stated in a reply to Diffpersepective that people in the west are mighty barbarians who do uncivilized things…so is it civilized behaviour to herd thousands of Tamil civilians into a so called ‘No Fire Zone’ and bomb them into the stone age?
        …is it civilized behaviour for a PresiDunce of this country to appoint one brother as defence secretary, another brother as Economic Development Minister and a third one as Speaker of the ParleyMutts building…not forgetting an assorted number of other family members and relations appointed to other plum posts in the country?
        …is it civilized behaviour to incarcerate a man on trumped up charges for the sole reason that he ran against you in the PresiDunce elections?

        …here are a few links which show the civilised behaviour of your leaders.

        http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/10/23/the-rajapaksa-troika/

        http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/10/23/mps-without-guns-and-a-parliament-without-thugs/

        http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/10/23/mps-without-guns-and-a-parliament-without-thugs/

      • yapa

        Dear PresiDunce Bean;

        Americans and Britishers are now in an unmanageable position even their own countries. Are you going to load another burden on them. Now the sun is setting on them. They cannot manage their democracies and economies without the money plundered from the colonies.

        On the other hand I don’t approve tomfoolery, by anybody, king, queen or the king’s harem. But making one of the king’s brother the Defence Secretary pave the way to eradicate terrorism menace from this country. How do you like it? Ha! Ha!!

        Thanks!

  • yapa

    Again I don’t know whether this is relevant to the topic, but I found at least it is a food (not fodder)for thought.

    http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/10/23/duminda-silva-innocent-bystander/

    Thanks!

  • Diffpersepective

    Dear Yapa, my point is that it took them 225+ years to achieve what they have today…and it is no point comparing a system that has evolved over 225+ years to another that is only 60+ .. the 225+ should by all accounts be more superior… That is all..

    Dear PresiDunceBean… You are entitled to your opinion.. no issue…. Apples and Rotten eggs are still an incompatible comparison… but saying so only a few countries in the world (and those too are only those whose citizens funded and supported the LTTE) and only a few people in the world think SL is a Rotten egg while the majority of the countries in the world and a majority of people sure do think who you call the Apple which is the US is the real Rotten egg.. 🙂 LOL

    • @Diffpersepective

      So if SL is the Apple and US the rotten egg, why are so many Silly Lankans and Asians falling over themselves to get green cards and settle down permanently in the US?
      I’m sure that you must be aware that while the PresiDunce is away from the country,two US citizens (Gotabaya & Basil) are the ones who run the country…so would I be wrong in assuming that when the PresiDunce is away, two rotten eggs run the country? 😀

    • yapa

      Dear Diffpersepective;

      Really what I meant was even after 225+ years, they were unable to get themselves civilized though they could build up a bit better Justice System than Sri Lanka. They still do uncivilized things all over the world. GDP per Capita or any other might is not a measurement civility, most us take it wrong. I think rich mighty barbarians are there in the world, clad in silk clothing making laws for others to behave.Ha! Ha!!

      Thanks!

      • Diffpersepective

        Yapa.. Yes i get what you say. I am not getting in to discussing who is civilized and who is not because that is so subjective, it is a dead end.

        PresiDunceBean … I said earlier you are entitled to your opinion.. each to their own intelligence…if you think migration of people for Economic reasons from poorer countries to Richer countries who have developed their economies over a much longer period than the poorer ones is the only criteria for how the rest of the world thinks of them to the exclusion of all other aspects…. More power to you. 🙂 LOL

      • Diffpersepective

        Dear Nihal, Very simple…. No democracy, no freedom to dissent, no freedom of expression, no human rights, No opposition etc etc.. One Guy decides what is good and imposes his will on everyone else and rules for a sufficient period to make sure his vision is achieved….Its His way or the Highway.. no questions asked!! If this guy is smart enough and dedicated enough…. Singapore happens!!!! 🙂 But without all those nice things that we in SL are told that we should have…. 🙂

      • Diffpersepective

        Dear Nihal, I did not say the lack of development has anything to do with colonial history.. What I said was that a country and a electorate takes time to evolve and one should not compare someone who has been independent and evolved for over 225 years to another who has been independent and has been evolving only for 60+ years. That is like comparing the ability of a Grade 6 kid with another who has a Masters degree.. That is all!!!

      • yapa

        Dear Diffpersepective;

        “What I said was that a country and a electorate takes time to evolve and one should not compare someone who has been independent and evolved for over 225 years to another who has been independent and has been evolving only for 60+ years.”

        Your perspective is a very valid perspective.

        Thanks!

    • Nihal Perera

      Diffpersepective,

      I understand your logic, but how do you explain a nation like Singapore? I would say that the rise and fall of a nation depends on the attitude of her ruling classes, not colonial history.

      • Diffpersepective

        Dear Nihal, See reply to your questions above please.. Tks

  • PitastharaPuthraya

    Diffperspective,

    Your comparison is only partly correct. What is there to do with the independence of a country? According to your ‘theory’ a country is born at its independence. Therefore, we have to wait another 165 years to acheive the level of ‘civilization’ acheived by US. What rubbish?

    The problem with Sri Lanka is not that we are still in the infancy of ‘civilisation’ but the inability to use the new civilized concepts introduced by the west after colonizing us. Democracy, Human rights, Rule of Law, are few such concepts and Parliament, Public service, Judiciary are few such instituations. In the west all these have been developed gradually with a solid base at the grass root levels. In fact they spread from bottom to top. Whereas in Sri Lanka (or Ceylon) they were introduced from the top even before the independence. It is my view that they still find it difficult to reach the grass roots of our society after many decades.

    Whatever we say the west is more civilized than the countries like Sri Lanka. It does not mean that they are absolutely right in what they do. They are still on the way to the absolute. On the other hand we are still struggling way below the west but can be happy that we are at least marginally ahead of the countrirs like Somalaia.

    To say that West is more civilized than us I can give you hundred of examples. The people who live and have lived in these countries would know that how civilized they are if they are genuine enough to accept that. The people who have never left Sri Lanka, are not willing to accept the truth and are exposed themselves to incessant bombarded of various conspiracy theories against the west, may not be able to appreciate the reality.

    The key to our emancipation from this sordid potlical system is to understand that the problems lie within us. Bashing the west for our ills is not going to do any good for us.

    Do you expect to see politicians of Duminda Silva and Mervin Silva’s caliber be elected to Wesministre or for that matter American Senate or Congress in our life time? On that day Duminda Silva was said to have gone to a polling booth in a convoy of vehicles (?>20 vehicles) and assaulted a wife of a ruling party candidate. Then he travelled with several body guards armed with T56 rifles and met his nemesis (?), who was also armed to the same extent. It looks like a scene of a Bolywood film and definitely not a scene you expect to see in a civilized country.

    The rest is history.

    • yapa

      Dear PitastharaPuthraya;

      I think writing in support of what believe right and what is advantageous to him is not a difficult task. He can choose what ever he wants from information and write interpreting the way he wants. This is possible by any writer and not a special ability. Just as I eat chocolate I like, writing what you like is not more than an insignificant thing. You have tried to carefully choose information you liked and interpreted it for your advantage. There is nothing special in your writing. Just as all other eelam supporters you also bash and Sinhalese and related things to them and uphold anything from anywhere to insult them. This endeavour does not deserve any special treatment and it has been the habit of eelamists and the imitators and boot lickers of the imperialists in this blog for a long time. So you can pick up enough material to produce a post like yours.

      Dear PitastharaPuthraya, I would like to touch upon your post.

      You say(A): The problem with Sri Lanka is not that we are still in the infancy of ‘civilisation’ but the inability to use the new civilized concepts introduced by the west after colonizing us.

      Answer(B): Really the one of the main problems is the destruction the colonialists inflicted on our country, on its social structure, economy, politics, administration, belief and value system and the slave mentality they pushed through our throats, not our inability to imitate the imperialists as you said.Really any country without abundance of wealth cannot imitate the way imperialists did. Today even imperialists are struggling to follow their own ways, now they are short of wealth. That is the reason for economic suppression in the whole west and that is why they want to invade oil rich countries, to plunder the wealth again the same way they did during the colonial period. Their recent economic tactics used to siphon the wealth from other countries through various agreements and international organizations, proved to be insufficient to generate wealth to continue their system. That is why the imperialists have to show their real ugly face invading the countries like Iraq, Libya while still keeping up the unfair trade practices with the other countries. No country can follow the model you cite without exploiting other nations and other people.

      (A): Democracy, Human rights, Rule of Law, are few such concepts and Parliament, Public service, Judiciary are few such instituations. In the west all these have been developed gradually with a solid base at the grass root levels. In fact they spread from bottom to top. Whereas in Sri Lanka (or Ceylon) they were introduced from the top even before the independence. It is my view that they still find it difficult to reach the grass roots of our society after many decades.

      (B): My dear you are talking only of the “Micro Politics” recommended by the west to us. ( I think you can understand the difference bet ween Micro Politics and Macro Politics comparing the concepts with Micro Economics and Macro Economics.) They asks us to follow the toe of Micro Politics they follow, but they really know that we cannot engage in Macro Politics in the world like them to gain advantages to cover up losses incurred following the Micro Politics. Micro Politics is always a bankrupt endeavour, imperialists very well know it and recommend it to us knowing that they can cover up the losses by following Macro Politics and knowing that we cannot do it. Anybody who follows Micro Politics as cited by you as above ultimately have to becomes a beggar and a slave of the Neo-imperialism. You are only parroting and reciting praise songs to killers planning to kill you.

      (A): Whatever we say the west is more civilized than the countries like Sri Lanka.

      (B): Exactly, my dear friend. I think the East is responsible for the Human catastrophes taken place during the several past decades in the world. Mass destruction of millions of human lives and resources in WW1 and WW2. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam during the recent past and the devastation, East is responsible, Eh? Just don’t look at only at what imperialists point to you, look at Macro Politics as well while enjoying the Micro Politics they bring close to your (blind) eyes. I have heard somebody saying that the slaves happen to love the chains used to tie their hands and want them to be tied by several instead of one chain.

      (A): It does not mean that they are absolutely right in what they do. They are still on the way to the absolute. On the other hand we are still struggling way below the west but can be happy that we are at least marginally ahead of the countries like Somalaia.

      (B): It odes mean that they are absolutely wrong in Macro Politics. Somalians are much better than the cruel western parasites who suck the cold blood from their bodies. Somalians are in a way only struggling to get rid of the sharp teeth of the unfair political/economic system of the world. You think the wrong is with the prey, not with the hunting monster?

      (A): To say that West is more civilized than us I can give you hundred of examples. The people who live and have lived in these countries would know that how civilized they are if they are genuine enough to accept that. The people who have never left Sri Lanka, are not willing to accept the truth and are exposed themselves to incessant bombarded of various conspiracy theories against the west, may not be able to appreciate the reality.

      (B): You think you are the only person gone out of the country. We also have gone and came back, but not with closed eyes. Give your thousand examples, we will give back it to you by multiplying the same with another thousand.

      (A): The key to our emancipation from this sordid potlical system is to understand that the problems lie within us. Bashing the west for our ills is not going to do any good for us.

      (B): That is his master’s voice. I cannot blame you.

      (A): Do you expect to see politicians of Duminda Silva and Mervin Silva’s caliber be elected to Wesministre or for that matter American Senate or Congress in our life time? On that day Duminda Silva was said to have gone to a polling booth in a convoy of vehicles (?>20 vehicles) and assaulted a wife of a ruling party candidate. Then he travelled with several body guards armed with T56 rifles and met his nemesis (?), who was also armed to the same extent. It looks like a scene of a Bolywood film and definitely not a scene you expect to see in a civilized country.

      (B): Only difference is local ones are bloody fools and they don’t know how to hide their identity. White gentlemen are more smart. Have you read “Confession of an Economic Hitman” by John Perkins?

      You are a baby fooled by fairy stories, dear.

      Thanks!

      • PitastharaPuthraya

        Yapa,

        Thanks for the reply.

        You can call me by any name (‘bootlicker of the imperialists’, ‘eelamists’, ‘imitators’). It does not take away the truth of what I say. I would not call you by any name but there is only one suitable name for people like you ‘hypocrites’. People like you live in a sort of imaginary world, where everthing is fine before the imperialsits come. All our value system, beleifs, economy etc went to hell due to their appearnce in our horizon.

        When did this happen? Was it a single event or a protracted process? When was the last time we had this ‘ideal’ utopian world you are so fond of before impreialsts spoiled it? Was it before Britisth, or Dutch, or Portugese, Nayakkar, Malay, Kalinga, Chola, Pandaya, or Vijaya?

        Without cling into abstract concept tell me what these imperialists did to Sri Lankan social structure, economy, politics, administratin, beleif and value system. You can produce a table with one column for the situation before the imperialists and other column situation after the imperialsist. Then we would be able to understand.

        When the British conqured the Kandyan Kingdom what was there to boast about? It was ruled by an absolute monarch. The economic system was feudal. Politics was limited to court scandals and consipiracies among the King, his Malabar relations and sinhalese Adikarms. Buddhism had become a sect of Hinduism.

        Where was the people? Were they happy with the system? Who knows? Of course they rebelled against the British atleast two times as their rule was too harsh. Once they have understood how to rule their subject they have stopped rebelling against them. When we are talking about the rebellion against British we shuould understand that the people of ancient Sri Lanka rebelled against their own kings more often that against British. Therefore, if somebody says that they rebelled because they are British and outsiders it contains only half truth.

        I do not say imperialism is good but with all its perceived ills it had done more good that bad. It is my understanding.

        After many thousands of years we were able break the shackle of feudalism and be free because of Impreialsits. A person belong to ‘Radava’ cast became the president of Sri Lanka because of the introduction of capitalist economy by the colonialists starting from the Portugese.

        The problem we are now faciing is not because of anything bad introduced by the Imperialsists but because we were unable to get out from the ‘Feudal’ system fully into to the ‘Capitalism’. Our social relationships are still ‘semi-feudal’. We have a King instead of a president. We have ‘Adhikarms’, ‘Nilames’ and ‘Mohottals’ instead of minsters and MPs. Look at how our public officials behave vis a vis the public. Go to any government office, hospital, or any public place to understand our social relations. Our free education has only produced ‘Nilames’ and ‘Mohottals’. They want only one thing, which is to show that they are so different from the general public by dress, manners, talk, sometimes even with the language. When the British has got away with adressing superiors with Sir and Madam (unless they Knighted) we still stick to the same system because of this.

        This is nothing to do with our poverty. This is our attitude, which can not be changed due to the simple fact that we have not understood where the wrong lies. People like Yapa with their traditional anti-western mentality won’t allow this to happen.

        As any other country west is also acting on the principle of their country’s interest putting first. However it does not mean that it is the sole driving force of their activities. What I beleive is that there is a genuine ‘altruistic’ concerns about the human rights, rule of law, democracy, alleviation of poverty from third world, globabal economy etc. I know this point is controversial. However, this is how I see it.

        I do not pretend to be an economist but I do not think that to develop one has to exploit others. There are many countries in the world who have acheived significant development without expoiting other through ‘neo-coloniasms’ e.g. Japan, China, Brazin, India, Thaiwan, South Korea etc. (They probably had no people like Yapa, who spent their entire life concocting conspiracy theories against the west.)

        What is the measurment of level of civilization? Is it the number of wars we fought or number of human lives lost due to them? Since we Sri Lankans haven’t engaged in any major wars with other countries in the recent past do we consider ourselves more civilized than the others? I do not think that it is the right criterion. What matters is how you behave in a crisis situation like war before, during and after. How you conduct your wars, deal with the war prisoners and dead, treat your opponents etc are what matters.

        Do you say that the situation in Somalia is due to the western imprialisms? If you say yes it is only partly true. Even before the western powers came to Africa tribal wars are part and parcel of their culture. The wars between Tutsis and Hutu and various factions in the Sudan and Somalia is nothing new.

        Yapa would also agree with me if I say that Sri Lankan society is sick. If he agrees he would put the blame on the west. I would put the blame on us. That is the differnce between me and him.

        According to his traditional arguments the west is responsible for all the ills faced by our society including the rampant corruption and blatant nepotism in the government, the subversion of the judiciary, politicisation of the police, brutal conduct of the police with almost every day extra-judicial killings, mindless spending of our rich, almost pathological desire to supress our inferiors in all levels of the society, increased crime rate includinding alarming increase of murder, rape and child sexual abuse, sexual harassment faced by our women in public transport, offices and on the road, etc.

        If the west did not colonise us we do not have higways, railways, plantations, universal franchise, democracy, parliament, criminal and civil law, constitution, police force etc. We would die early, our child and maternal mortality would be sky high, Karave would fish, Radav would wash, Women would be confined to kitchen etc.

        In other words helping us to get away from the feudal system with all its ill to the capitalists economy in itself a progress. We should be thankful to the west for doing that.

        The problem as I have said before after the British left we were unable to put the icing on the cake. The cake has been spoiled by our inability to think with a unconditional mind. People in Yapa’s camp will not let this to happen. They always find the fault with outsiders instead of letting our people to see the truth.

        There is a sinhala pithy saying. ‘You do not see the rafter in your eye’.

      • yapa

        Dear PitastharaPuthraya:

        I would appreciate if you could give your views about the discussion and my ideas given in the thread below as well. I think the views expressed there are related to the discussion in here. I prefer to answer after listening to your responses tho them as well.

        http://groundviews.org/2011/10/15/we-the-sinhalese/#comment-38079

        Thanks!

      • Nihal Perera

        Mass destruction of millions of human lives and resources in WW1 and WW2. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam during the recent past and the devastation, East is responsible, Eh? Just don’t look at only at what imperialists point to you, look at Macro Politics as well while enjoying the Micro Politics they bring close to your (blind) eyes.

        What a tragedy, Yapa is not aware of Japan during WWII. Does Yapa understand that the goal of Japan was to conquer all of Asia, as well as Australia? If Japan had succeeded, the Japanese colonial empire in Asia would be far bigger than anything the British had aspired to. It is also a great tragedy that Yapa does not understand that Japan was the number 1 ally of Nazi Germany during WWII. Let us imagine a world where Nazi Germany controlled all of Europe, and Japan controlled all of Asia. Does Yapa understand that Sinhala-Buddhism has no place in such a world order? I recommend Yapa do some research to see how the Japanese treated the conquered Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos.

      • yapa

        Dear Nihal Perera;

        But it will be no problem for you all I think. According to you imperialists develop their colonies and their people are immensely benefited from colonialism.

        I think mass destruction by Britishers, or Americans or Japanese you wil have to accept them as good, as merits of imperialism. Japanese or British we were always against imperialism, unlike you all.

        I feel like Japanese imperialism is bad for you while British imperialism is good. Why is that, because of slave mentality to the west?

        I think you have no barrier for answering my queries in the other thread. Ha! Ha!!

        Thanks!

      • Nihal Perera

        Yapa,

        I feel like Japanese imperialism is bad for you while British imperialism is good.

        According to your logic, only Europeans and Tamil Eelamists can be racist. I recommend you take a trip to the Middle East, and talk to some of our Sri Lankan housemaids. Western Europe and North America are less racist than Sri Lanka, do you know why? Because they have laws that make racism a major offense. So even if people are racist, they will not show it in public. In Sri Lanka, the “law” is decided by the reincarnation of Dutugumenu and his band of ministers. That is why the police beat up schoolboys in broad daylight, and “grease yakas” run into Army camps. All these crooks do not fear the “law.”

        By the way, the Japanese were worse racists than the Nazis.

      • yapa

        Dear Nihal Perera;

        You say, the Japanese were worse racists than the Nazis. What is your comparison of Japanese and Nazis with other imperialists like Brits, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch and Americans? Are they more or less racists than Japanese or Nazis.

        You say, In Sri Lanka, the “law” is decided by the reincarnation of Dutugumenu and his band of ministers. So is that a reason for Buddhism bashing and Sinhala bashing? Why bash the deer hide, bash the deer and the herd.

        Anyway don’t forget the other thread we were having a discussion on serious issues. It seems you prefer to change the track. Why Nihal you lost interest about CERN experiment and your “Nihilistic Buddhism”.

        A tiger can change the jungle, but it cannot change its spots on its skin. Ha! Ha!!

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Dear Nihal;

        “I feel like Japanese imperialism is bad for you while British imperialism is good.”

        Regarding my statement above you say,

        “According to your logic, only Europeans and Tamil Eelamists can be racist.”

        I don’t know with what logic you arrived at your statement from my statement?

        Yanne koheda malle pol?

        Your understanding about Logic is marvelous! Where did you that knowledge?

        “Illogic” also has an advantage. It can be used as a joke to make others laugh. Ha! Ha!!

        Thanks!
        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Dear PitastharaPuthraya;

        In my first post addressed to you I have mentioned about two kinds of Politics as Micro and Macro. What you are referring belong to Micro Politics.

        I have mentioned in my post that for western powerful countries can follow better Micro Politics, as they profit from Macro Politics and cover up the losses incurred following the Micro Politics. For small countries they have no access to Macro Politics and there is no way to cover up the losses by following the “recommended” Micro Politics to them by the west. So it is natural and I do not deny that the west is better in that criterion(really recommended by them). However, can you say, westerners are civilized in terms of their Macro Political activities? The Political activities they are engaged in the international plane? Who are more savage in international activities? You think you can give the same trophy you gave to them? Are Americans better than Sri Lankans in their activities they have been performing during the past decade or so. Do you think the behaviour of the Europeans during the past 600 years including the present time in international affairs show they are more civilized than us?

        Are Differntperspective rightly said in another perspective, you are comparing apples to oranges.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        correction……..

        “Are Differntperspective rightly said in another perspective, you are comparing apples to oranges.”

        the first word Are should be corrected as “As”.

        Thanks!

    • Diffpersepective

      Dear PitastharaPuthraya,

      I never claimed SL has to wait another 165 years to reach the same standard as the US…those are your words.. What I said was that there is no point comparing a system that has evolved over 225+ years to another that is only 60+. This should be obvious to any one…. In my opinion SL is far ahead of what the US was in the same time period…60 + years of self rule.. for obvious reasons.

      I also did not comment on who is more civilized and who is not… Once again you are attributing to me something I never commented on… If you think the West is more civilized… Bully for you…:) Certainly they are in some aspects….but the East including SL too are in some aspects….. For me civilized depends on the definition you give it… let me give you an example.. Is a society which pollutes the environment 25 times more than another society deemed more civilized than the less polluting society???? or is a society that looks after their elderly in a more humane way less civilized than a society that does not??? or is a society that kills animals for food more civilized than a society that is more vegetarian??? or is a society that drops an atom bomb and kills hundreds of thousands of people in a few seconds, more civilized than a society that has never done so??? You tell me?? But I won’t even go there trying to figure out who is civilized and who is not.. I leave it to chaps like you who seem to have it all figured out!!!

      As for Mervyn Silva and Duminda Silva Caliber….What caliber would you call Clinton and his cigar or Dan Craig and Gerry Studds and the Congressional Pages abuse or John Edwards and his liaison, Bob Bauman and his 16 year male prostitute, Civilized??? But leaving that aside If you look at history of both these countries.. there were plenty of characters much worse than Duminda silva and Mervyn Silva elected and or manipulating the political system during the same time frame after independence that SL is in today… Vice President Aaron Burr shot Treasury secretary Alexanader Hamilton in a duel, Sam Houston was a Bigamist who at a drop of hat used his fists and cane famously on William Stanberry among others and found guilty of assault, Enoch Johnson was a mobster and Rackateer who controlled New jersey.. Boss Tweed of New York, Albert Fall of Tea pot dome fame, President Cleveland had an illegitimate Daughter who he never acknowledged and the Famous Thomas Jefferson fathering six children with his house Slave…..Civilized???? I can name many more such characters…. So lets not get all righteous over the West please and also lets not get selective with the truth..
      As for Democracy, Human rights, Rule of Law, the few such concepts introduced by the West… where were these concepts when they were developing their economies….UK Had colonies till the 1950’s or even later.. Democracy??? USA wiped out the entire native communities and gave the Vote and civil rights to the African American community only in the 60’s Democracy??? human rights?? Rule of Law?? Switzerland gave their women the vote only in the 70’s Human rights??? US dropped the Atom bomb in the 1940’s… and carpet bombed and napalmed Vietnam in the 60’s and some such continue to date…Rule of law???? Japanese American put in concentration type camps in the 1940”s Human Rights???? Guantanamo Bay???? Human Rights???? and even today.. what they are doing to Wikileaks, cutting off their funds… Freedom of expression??? Lets not be selective!!!!

      I repeat… All these happen but some how the electorate matures over time and institutions refine over time…comparing an electorate and institutions that have evolved over 225+ years to another that is only 60+ is ridiculous.

      Ciao

      • PitastharaPuthraya

        Dear Diffpersepective,

        Thanks for the reply.

        My response was not only for you. Sorry for the inconvenience.

        Honestly I do not understand your logic. Your are comparing the US society in early 19th century with Sri Lankan society in early 21st century. Somebody would say that this logic of ‘development’ should also apply to all the other aspects of human development including the the material development. How absurd it would be if somebody does so!

        No body sane would expect to see a type of society the US had in early 1800s in present day Sri Lanka. The world has come long way from those early dark days of 19th century. These new developments in human society is not only confined to a single country. In the same way people all over the world enjoy the internet and dramatic improvements in the communications they are also eager to consume fruits of the developments and new concepts of the human rights including the women and children, democracy, rule of law, good governance etc. I do not have to remind you that this also applies to all the aspects of science, medicine and engineering. What I said was that the SL society need not wait for another 165 years to acheive the level of development attained by the western civilized world. Suggestion of a such a proposition, in my view, is beyond all logic.

        It is my understanding that the men and women of all colour, creed, race and religion are simple homo sapiens with similar desires, faults, outlooks etc. The society is the ones makes them different. The difference between the civilized and un-civilized is on the way that the society reacts to the human errors. I would like to give you few examples to highlight my point. There were human rights abuses committed in Iraq and Afganistan by the American and British forces. What the reaction of the their society and government. Today there is a case being heard in the US against the so-called US army trophy collectors, who killed civilians and collected their body parts as suvenirs. Similarly British government prosecuted a soldier who posed with dead Afgan civilians. If you listen to the radio and TV people openely criticized the role played by the American and British in Iraq and Afganistan. As you should know, any body can criticise the whole British Establishment on BBC or Channel 4 for that matter without any fear of government reprisal. Imagine similar situation in Sri Lanka. Would any body be able to go on the TV (definitely not Rupavahini or ITN but atleast on TNL) crticise our armed forces for (allegedly) killing civilians? What would happen to him/her? I think that I do not have to elaborate one that. When the SL armed forces are criticized for killing civilians what did the governmment and public do? They denied it in toto. If this happened in the west they would have definitely investigated it.

        I am sorry that I am not an expert in US politics as much as you seem to do. Anyway, since you have mentioned about Clinton and Cigar I want to remind you how American media reacted to that infamous episode. Didn’t the American media cricize their own president for his alleged indecent conduct although it was purely his personal affair and nothing to do with the state? Knowing the conduct of our politicians in SL would any of our media be so brave to criticise there conduct?

        That is the difference between civilized and not civilized society.
        How many US and British policians had to resign from their posts due to extra marital relationships, sleeping with prostitues, being gay, having friends attended their meetings etc. Dr. Fox had to resign from his ministerial post because he breeched the code by taking his best friend to meetings all over world. Do we know what kind of people our politicians accompny when they go abroad? When our president goes any where he takes literally hundreds of people with him. Has any body questioned who they are and why they go with him?

        The humans including the governments would continue to engage in immmoral practices for many centuries to come. They would steal, murder, rape, assault, breach human rights, engage in shady deals, be corrupt, be arrogant, engage in mass murder, persecute races, be terrorists, go to war etc. The way forward for the human race is to have a system where these wrong doers are taken before justice irrespective of their power, clout, birth, race, religion, age etc.

      • PitastharaPuthraya

        Yapa,

        I did not have time to engange in the discussion in the link you have given. Now I felt I am too late to join it now. Anyway I will try.

        I totally agree with Nihal Perera about the racism in west and east. Whatever the reason behind that a open minded person should be able appreciate that people in the west is less racist than those in the countries like Sri Lanka. I suspect it is our national character to insult people quoting there race, religion, cast and many more etc. A few years ago during a parliamentry debate Wimal Weerawansa insulted Rosi Senanayaka by referring to her ethnic back ground. ( He addressed her as ‘Lansi Papol’. After few days a UNP parlimentarian Laxman Kiriella insulted Wimal Weerawansa by referring his cast back ground saying that he is only good for dancing and beating tom tom. This happened in the holiest temple of decomcracy in SL. Imagine something similar happening in Wesminister. What whould have happened to the culprit? Gordon Brown had to apologize for what he said about a woman in private in public. (He mumbled to others in the car that this particular woman was a ‘bigot’.)

        It is my view that people in west are much more civilized in every way than in those of in Sri Lanka.

  • Diffperspective

    Dear PitastharaPuthraya,

    Let me reiterate…. All I said was that there is no point comparing a system that has evolved over 225+ years to another that is only 60+… that is all.. If you read carefully to what i said you will also find that i said “This is not to say we should not aspire to it.” I think that statement clearly captures all what you say which i do not necessarily disagree with. As for those investigations you cite… how come none of the top brass is ever investigated in the West but only the small soldiers.. even when the Former President of the US justify torture and admit that he authorized it???? So lets not go there either.. you are being selective again.

    With regard to which society is civilized and which is not… as i have mentioned previously, that is a debate that we can have till thy kingdom come… I am not going there…

    Ciao

    • Nihal Perera

      PitastharaPuthraya:

      That is the difference between civilized and not civilized society.How many US and British policians had to resign from their posts…

      Well said. The issue is not who did what, and who did worse than who. At a basic level, all humans are capable of the same mistakes. What is more telling is the response to such mistakes. That is where the law comes in. In the West, people who disobey the law are punished – regardless of status. In much of the East, the law is arbitrary. Why do individuals in Sri Lanka try to get the Ministers and President involved in disputes which the Courts alone should settle? What does this say about the mentality of the larger society, when it comes to conflict resolution? It says that in Sri Lanka, certain individuals are more powerful than certain institutions! The West rejected monarchy a long time ago, after seeing all the evils that it leads to. In places like Sri Lanka, the feudal mindset is still strong. What needs to happen in SL is that institutions need to take precedence over individuals.

      • Diffpersepective

        Dear Nihal Perera,
        When you say …
        “What is more telling is the response to such mistakes. That is where the law comes in. In the West, people who disobey the law are punished – regardless of status.” – I agree..

        But let me ask you a question…. How long did it take them since independence to reach this level of Equality under the law.. certainly the African American in the US was not Equal under the law and neither were the native Americans ..till around 1965…and this was nearly 200 years of self rule and independence…The women in Switzerland were not equal under the law till around the 1970’s and this is after centuries of independence… England had colonies till the 1950’s.. etc etc ..

        So if they took this longto achieve this equality why do you expect the Sri Lankan electorate and institutions to reach the same in just 60 years… i am not arguing that we should take the same time frames, but only that we should not be comparing them to us and claim that we are below them in any way. I do not think a Country or a society that took 200+ years to give basic civil rights to a large segment of their population (US) or a nation that had colonies for much of their history (UK)have any moral right to question a country that has been independent only for 60+ years for not achieving what they took to achieve in a much longer period.

    • PitastharaPuthraya

      Dear Diffperspective,

      Although I do not agree with your argument I have to confess that there is some truth in it. However, I do not see the logic of taking the day of independence of a nation as the day 1. What about its level of development before that?

      The ills of SL society begins with its inability to develop gradually as a result of the colonialism. (However, I do not say colonialism is absolutely bad. If it did not come this gradual change would go for many more centuries, which is not a good thing) In the west, the society improved as a result of the demand from the public and not because some well-meaning individuals or institutions introduced them from no-where. For instance, the parliament and democracy was the demand of the expanding middle class, who wanted a share of the government.

      What happened to SL was that it had to change from a primitive feudal society to a half boiled society with all the institution of a advanced industrialized capitalist economy without any base for those in the very basic level of the society.

      Therefore, the society remains semi-feudal with a small minority who demanded the government to change in to something you see in the west. The majority of the public who live in the centre is happy with the way they are governed. Like their leaders they also engange in all kinds of immoral practices whenever they like, taking and giving bribes, helping their friends and relatives over the others, stealing from the government whenever they can, etc. At the same time they do not give a damn about the similar practices, perpetrated (in several hundred or thousand times) by their leaders.

      The demand is coming from a minority who live in the finge of our society. They are looking at the whirlpool in the centre, where the majority of public, politicians and public servants intract with each other in various forms, from the periphery. They see that our society is ill and in need of urgent reform but they do not have any solid base in the socity.

      Although their voice is not heard in the din of the whirlpool they should not be discourage from doing so as Diffperspecive demands. The society moves forward due the demands of the people like them. Since it is not possible to turn the clock back to the begining to have a gradual development of our society the only way forward is to get out from this whirlpool of sewage from its entrance. In this context, I feel that Diffperspective’s claim that we have to wait some more time is negative and defeatist. Therefore, forget about all these time frames Demand and Demand for a Better Society. That is the only way forward.

      • Nihal Perera

        DiffPerspective,

        But let me ask you a question…. How long did it take them since independence to reach this level of Equality under the law.. certainly the African American in the US was not Equal under the law and neither were the native Americans ..till around 1965…and this was nearly 200 years of self rule and independence…

        My opinion is that equality is not based on just human goodness, but on political progress, technological progress and economic mobility as well. In other words, the slavery that you found in the American South during the 1800’s was not based on racism alone. The entire economy of the South was based on the plantations – the slaves were the labor source that made such an enterprise profitable. On the other hand, such slaves would serve no purpose today, given that said economy has diversified, and also, the methods for picking cotton have evolved so as to make handpicking redundant. It is a bit of a stretch to say that American slavery had more to do with economics than racism, but that is the truth of the matter, particularly when one considers that industrialization was limited to the North.

        The other two points are political progress and economic mobility. Political progress is the hardest to define. One needs to have certain other variables in motion, such as secularism. Economic stability is also important, to prevent insurrection and rebellions. The primary obstacles throughout Western history were the Church and the fact that the system of government was a monarchy. It should be no coincidence that the USA became a superpower so fast, since it was both secular and rejected monarchy from its very inception. 124 years (the USA had independence by 1776, was a superpower by 1900) is not a long time compared to Europe, Japan, and China. Particularly when you consider that for most of that 124 years, the USA was still expanding. Expansion = changing borders. The borders of Europe were also constantly changing, but here the difference is that such changes lacked permanency until the fall of the Soviet Union.

        The final component is economic/social mobility. This is closely related to technological progress. As you can imagine, industrialization greatly enhanced this process in the West.

        So if they took this longto achieve this equality why do you expect the Sri Lankan electorate and institutions to reach the same in just 60 years…

        On the political end, because Sri Lanka has the benefit of experience from the rest of the world. It also has access to the newer political models, such as devolution, which did not exist a few hundred 100 years ago. On the economic side, because of the overabundance of natural resources and access to newer technologies which did not exist 100 years ago. And on the mobility side, while caste was an issue in the past, it is pretty much redundant today. The question is, how to meld these three things together, in order to create a more progressive society.

  • wijayapala

    PP

    Whatever the reason behind that a open minded person should be able appreciate that people in the west is less racist than those in the countries like Sri Lanka.

    Clearly you haven’t traveled much in the west.

    • PitastharaPuthraya

      Dear Wijayapala,

      Yes, I haven’t travelled much in the west. I got this impression from my limited contact with the west and from other sources. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

  • Diffperspective

    Dear PitastharaPuthraya,

    You have not answered my question… why did it take the US, England and in general the West such a long time of self governance to reach the standards in democracy, human rights and good governance they have reached today?? Are you claiming that the majority then did not know right from wrong for 200+ years in the US and much longer in the UK and other parts?? Surely not!!

    I say that the answer lies in your statement.. I quote you ” For instance, the parliament and democracy was the demand of the expanding middle class, who wanted a share of the government” end quote… I will further add to that… good governance and the creation and demand for proper institutions come with that economic power and the fulfillment of the basic needs of the majority or a large section of the people who you call the “expanding middle class”… This is what takes time and that is why the countries in the West took such a long time to reach the standards that they have reached today. Sri Lanka has not reached that yet..Our middle class is minimal, therefore it is unrealistic to think that the majority of Sri Lankans today who are struggling to meet their basic needs will demand in a macro senses democracy, human rights, transparency and other such concepts from their rulers. They will all demand this in a micro sense but when it really comes to the crunch they will not. They will continue to vote for the anyone who will help them better their lives at whatever cost to anyone else… They are struggling to fulfill their basic needs.. The majority of the people today are wondering how to send their kids to school, get a good education, get a good job, own a house etc.. and they will pander to anyone who promises these things and to who ever delivers these things irrespective of whether they practice democracy, human rights, transparency or not.. the politicians know this and are using it to the Maximum.. That is the reality..
    This was true even in the West..That is why the majority in the West did not worry about killing the natives by their govt, segregation, women’s rights, colonisation etc when they were developing…. because the majority were all benefiting from it.. and they never demanded such until such time that the majority had their basic needs met and became economically independent and a political force.. it was self interest.. and the lack of will…. not because they did not know right from wrong. They supported which ever govt that brought them prosperity doing these things….I am not for a moment saying we should emulate these and use these as excuses. All i am saying is that is the reality.

    Once the basic needs of a majority of the people are met and they become economically independent with increased education and are not dependent on the politicians for existence and they achieve some form of political power through their affluence only.. like it happened in the West will they demand for Change and succeed. They will not see the need then to pander to corruption and it will be in their self interest to demand good governance, less corruption,democracy,human rights and transparency. As it happened in the West only with the building up of a large middle class was there sufficient political and economic power and the will to bring about these changes.

    I am not here to discourage any one or demand anything from anyone as you claim in you last para… but to bring in an historic perspective to how these changes occurred in the so called beacons that are being touted today as examples. At no point have I said we should not aspire to achieve what the West has achieved today.. on the contrary I say that we should do so.. but bearing in mind reality. There is nothing wrong in demanding change and demanding change Now as you want..However it is also prudent to take reality into consideration when you do so. Do you honestly think the Somapala’s and Somawathie’s from rural Bintanne and the Malik’s and Fathima’s from rural Kalmunai and the Siva’s and Parvathi’s from the Estates or in Rural Pooneryn in Sri Lanka (which incidently are the majority) are going to demand and fight for Human rights, transparency, good governance when they are in a daily struggle to make ends meet???? However all of them will once they fulfill their basic needs and become economically independent.. because …like it happened in the West.. it would be in their interest to do so. 🙂

    Ciao

  • Diffperspective

    Dear PitastharaPuthraya,

    I am sorry.. My First para

    “You have not answered my question… why did it take the US, England and in general the West”…..

    Should read as..

    Let me ask you the same question I asked Nihal Perera .. why did it take the US, England and in general the West…..

    Ciao

  • Santhush Fernando

    No doubt about the usefulness of the programme which has been well described in the article! Though adults in Sri Lanka (meaning those above the age of 20….) have perpetrated violence we hardly hear school children taking guns and shooting other kids…over very trivial issues like what happens regularly in countries like USA and Canada. We need to have a home grown solution for preventing bullying in our schools. Trying to copy systems or methods from overseas may not be the best for such issues. We need to understand that ours is a society built on family values. We have not yet moved into the “orbit” where living together is common and instead of husband/wife having a partner. Thus best is that we inculcate in our children family values. “In the same way I dislike my little brother or the sister being bullied, another person too will dislike his brother or the sister being bullied by me. This will sink in better than grabbing verbatim someone else’s solution!!!!!!!!

  • Diffpersepective

    Dear Nihal Perera,

    If you read my response to PitastharaPuthraya, you will see that what you say is more or less the same as what I say..I think where we may disagree is the time frame required to achieve what you call “political progress, technological progress and economic mobility” for a majority of the People in Sri Lanka… which I call the creation of a large/majority “Middle Class” who will have Political Power and are Economically stable.

    The reason I also said that we need not take as long as the West to reach the standards they have reached are also for the same reasons you have mentioned. On that point I agree with you.

    Saying so,I am also a firm believer that while the experience of others would point a society or a country in the direction, they will truly do it only when it serves their interest to do so. Therefore as i have pointed out in my response to PitastharaPuthraya, the majority of the Sri Lankan population has much more basic issues to sort out at present and to keep pointing out the West’ standards who for whatever reasons took that long to achieve is unfair.

    Ciao

  • PitastharaPuthraya

    Dear Diffperspective,

    Thanks for the reply.

    In essence you and I are preaching the same. The difference is that you seem to be happy to wait till the economic development for all other things to happen. On the other hand I am for the immediate action without waiting for the economy.

    Understanding and passive acceptace are different things. While you understand the situation you should be able to demand the socity to develop in the lines of unversal human rights.

    If our forefahters had waited till the economic development for the others to fall in the line automatically we would have been at least 100 years behind human development acheived by the others. The unversal suffrage, free education, euality before the law, human rights, accountablity of the public servants, etc, although still defective, did more good than bad to our society.

  • Diffpersepective

    Dear PitastharaPuthraya,

    Hmmmm.. 🙂 You say…

    “The difference is that you seem to be happy to wait till the economic development for all other things to happen. On the other hand I am for the immediate action without waiting for the economy.” – End quote..

    No I am not happy to wait for the economic development for all things to happen…. While you demand immediate action for these lovely concepts like Human rights, Transparency, Good governance etc…and wait for Economic Development to happen…. I will demand immediate action and work for Economic development to uplift the Economic standing of the majority of the people and build a large..what you and I call “Middle Class” so that there would be no need for you or me to individually call for any action for these lovely concepts as they will automatically happen because of the demand from that majority… as it has happened in all the other countries in the world who are portrayed today as the beacons who practice these concepts.

    In my opinion this is much more sustainable than what you claim to be doing or want to do….My way has been proved to work…Can you name even one country that has achieved these standards without building up a large Middle class and economic prosperity to a majority of the people by only demanding Action as you call for??? 🙂
    I am only taking a lesson from history and following the path of the others who have reached the goal we have set ourselves.

    That my friend is the Difference between you and me!!!!

    Ciao