Channel 4 broadcast Sri Lanka’s Killing Fields tonight in the UK, which it describes as “a hard-hitting investigation into the final weeks of the Sri Lankan civil war, featuring devastating video evidence of horrific war crimes.” Sri Lanka’s response to the video has been unsurprisingly ham-fisted, but already, the video is having an impact internationally. As noted by Bloomberg, the UK’s Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt, after watching the video, urged Sri Lanka to initiate an “independent, thorough and credible investigation” into allegations of war crimes.

Twitter provides one measure of how the video was received. Viewers were encouraged by Channel 4 to tweet with #killingfields, and the responses from those who saw the documentary just after it was first broadcast on public television are quite revealing.

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  • silva

    UN and the Commonwealth have been failing the oppressed for 63 years.

    Channel4 film will hopefully trigger an international mechanism whereby the oppressed, not only in Sri Lanka but all around the world will get justice.

    • Bonchi Baba

      regardless of what happens in the future….tamil eelam/autonomy/separation will never be a reality for the tamils

  • Apollo Gista

    Anyone who watches, discusses or otherwise refers to this fabricated video is a traitor to Mother Lanka and its patriotic government. It is as simple as that. Either you are with us or you watch the enemy propaganda. We vanquish the enemy and its sympathizers.

    • wijayapala

      Does that mean if anyone who watches the video to note the fabrications, even uncle Gotabhaya, would be a traitor too?

      • Savitur

        @WP, If one like Apollo comes here and threaten others for none-event, he should be member of [Edited out] killer squad. Beware of him 🙂

    • jansee

      Apollo:

      How on earth the SL regime came to the conclusion that the video is a fake? You mean they did NOT WATCH it but just dreamt of it and was able to tell it is a fake? Well, you have a lot of TRAITORS in the SL regime – including those who have watched it it and termed it as fake. I applaud your “coming of age” so to speak.

      • yapa

        Dear jansee;

        How on earth you came to the conclusion that the video is not a fake?

        I think you know the principle, those who assert must prove?

        Can you prove it? I challenge you cannot.

        Shall we try? Are you ready to take your own challenge?

        Thanks!

      • Thambi

        My dear Yapa — those are Sinhala people speaking in those videos. What I just heard sounds just like what macho kids I had the displeasure of going to school with and being around sound like. And the videos have been authenticated. There’s the proof.

      • yapa

        Dear Thambi;

        And the videos have been authenticated, Eh? Hah!Ha!!

        We will see whether jansee will authenticate her claim, Hah! Ha!!

        Thanks!

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Thambi,

        You said ” those are Sinhala people speaking in those videos.”

        How did you come to that conclusion?

        If you can do that with a voice clip it would be a first in the world.

        You can’t prove that beyond reasonable doubt.
        A requirement for a conviction.
        Many Tamils can speak Sinhala very fluently.

        One more question which I hope you can answer

        Can you prove the location to be Sri Lanka?
        Why can’t it be Tamil Nadu?
        Or anywhere else that the LTTE was active in.

        Remember the LTTE has a history of doing this sort of thing.
        1. Shooting 600 policemen who surrendered to them.
        2. Staging and photographing propaganda stunts.

      • yapa

        Dear Off the Cuff;

        I think Thambi is hilarious about the video and mocking at it.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        I would be happy if anybody can answer the questions asked in the post below.

        I think jansee would specially do.

        http://groundviews.org/2011/05/30/is-the-war-crimes-video-confirmed-by-un-as-authentic-unrepresentative-and-irrelevant/#comment-32317

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Present attempt of addicting emotional clips to “the video” is an attempt to enhance the effectiveness of it, as the interested parties(or the parties benefit from it)had realized that it cannot stand the queries leveled at it and it cannot further pursue for its purported goal.

        Really the new additions move peoples’ heart. But the thing is if GOSL feels it needs, it can make more heart breaking emotional videos of LTTE atrocity to move the peoples’ hearts to make the world opinion towards them and to change “this emotional decision making criterion” used by this video makers towards their end.

        However, decision making process should not be affected by any biases, though some are trying to influence it with emotions/sympathy etc… etc.

        A crucial decision like the interested parties trying to force and push is affected by such biases and a decision is taken on it and if the decision was not the correct one, the harm it would do cannot be reversed and rectified. In a crucial decision like this highest level of objectivity should be maintained.

        It is visible to me that the actors in the new video are moved by the sympathy or some other influence.

        Can anybody assure that Chanel-4 is neutral and has no vested interests in broadcasting the video?

        Thanks!

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Yapa and Thambi,

        Yes Yapa I realised my mistake after reading the following post of Thambi’s

        http://groundviews.org/2011/06/15/twitter-explodes-with-reactions-and-responses-to-sri-lankas-killing-fields/#comment-33027

        Sorry Thambi.

        The questions raised in my post are however, relevant, to those who peddle the video as proof.

  • Bonchi Baba

    Twitter exploding? its only trending in virtual tamil eelam. lol

  • Thambi

    So.. I’m watching this Killing Fields thing. It has a clear bias (which it tries to cover by occasionally referring to the LTTE but this is takes up maybe 2% of the whole film)..

    Channel 4: The government herded the Tamil civilians into the war zone because “they didn’t distinguish between them and the LTTE”

    Reality: When the army reached Killinochchi the civilians had willingly or unwillingly left with the LTTE.

    Channel 4: videos show people crying and shaking the camera

    Reality: no actual bullets, shells, etc. are seen

    The only war crimes seem to be individual soldiers executing LTTE combatants and for whatever reasoning filming it. :/

    • myil selvan

      Don’t forget the Sri Lankan military dropped leaflets asking the people to leave Kilinochchi. They also would have been forced to leave by the LTTE.

  • yapa

    Before investigating the killing fields, we must investigate the video itself. Are those assert, ready for that investigation?

    Will establish the “Prima Facie” first?

    Thanks!

    • Burning_Issue

      Dear Yapa,

      You said on one of the forums that you want to practice the true principles of Buddhism; only when you want to I suppose!
      I have not seen the programme yet; I have recorded it and will come round to it as I need to prepare myself for it. The Channel 4 has laid it bare and made it available world-wide; it has termed it as a Hard Hitting Investigation. It is a serious piece of work that squarely projects that, war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed as per many bloggers. If this is a fake and unscrupulously presents Sri Lanka in bad light, why not Sri Lanka challenge C4 legally? The English Judiciary is totally independent unlike in Sri Lanka; why not mount a law-suit?

      Another way to handle this is to allow a UN investigation and prove it to the world that Sri Lanka did not commit war crimes and Channel 4 programme is fake. Came on Yapa lets have it!

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,

        Ms. Adele Balasingham who is a TOP RUNG LTTE operative lives comfortably in the UK. She is one of the FEW members of the LTTE inner circle, still amongst the living.

        She is answerable for ALL the so called WAR CRIMES that the Moon Panel has aimed at the LTTE.

        Is there any moves to arrest her and investigate the alleged crimes?

        Why is it that nobody is pressing the UK govt to try her for the many LTTE Tamil women that she sent to their Deaths and the many female child soldiers that she is responsible for and the many civilian Deaths that she has caused?

        Which Govt has Jurisdiction over her?
        Is she free because she is a white woman or because she is LTTE?
        What has incapacitated the righteous UK govt?

        All office bearers of the LTTE Fund raising organisations are also similarly culpable. All of them are still free. Why is it that the western Govts are inactive? Is this election campaign contributions talking?

        If there is a real interest in persecuting war crimes why harbour war criminals in the West and in Australia?

        Why is the Diaspora vociferous about the SL Govt and Silent about the war criminals living amongst them? Why not make an example of them? That will put greater pressure on the SL govt to follow suit.

        Can you answer the following?

        Can you prove the location of CH4 to be Sri Lanka?
        Why can’t it be Tamil Nadu?
        Or anywhere else that the LTTE was active in.

        Remember the LTTE has a history of doing this sort of thing.
        1. Mercilously Shooting 600 policemen who surrendered to them.
        2. Staging and photographing propaganda stunts.

        Can anyone claim that those policemen were not stripped and shot in identical fashion? That spectre, if a video was available, would have dwarfed the CH4, by a magnitude of more than 60.

      • wijayapala

        Burning_Issue,

        Another way to handle this is to allow a UN investigation

        I asked before who will conduct this investigation? The same amateur “experts” who wrote the Darusman report?

        http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/06/15/credibility-un-expert-report-sri-lanka

      • yapa

        Dear Burning_Issue;

        Please tell me the things I have mentioned in my posts above that you feel wrong or not agreeable to you.

        Why you felt you should challenge me? Please show my “wrongs” and challenge them, not just this simple podian “individual”.

        Thanks, Burning_Issue!

      • Dear Burning_Issue

        ****”The Channel 4 has laid it bare and made it available world-wide; it has termed it as a Hard Hitting Investigation. It is a serious piece of work that squarely projects that, war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed as per many bloggers.”
        ………

        Do you think many blogger’s opinion is the criterion for deciding a case? I feel your knowledge of accepted judicial procedures is not very sound. wijayapala has recently referred to one of your views that defendants’ arguing for their case in judiciary as illegal. Now you seems to prefer to decide this case ex-party.

        I think you must have heard of “Principles of Natural Justice” which is a mandatory pre-condition in a judiciary process, as per the English judiciary system you seem to have a big faith. In addition, same judiciary systems demands “Due Process”, in a judicial inquiry. They say it removes the arbitrary and authoritative decisions from a judiciary system. Are you against the due process just like you opposed the defendants’ arguing in the courts?

        For your information I will give the two priciples of natural justice.

        1. One should not be the judge of his own case.
        2. Listen to both parties.

        Are you against any law suit to follow this path?Do you think these judicial concepts are against the English Judiciary you seem to adore?
        Don’t you like following the due process? Instead do you prefer to follow the opinions of an English TV channel and some bloggers subjectively motivated by their own goals and objectives?

        Looking forward for your response.

        Thanks!

      • Burning_Issue

        Dear Yapa,

        My response to you was not directly linked to your post at the top of this ladder; I am sorry as I had given that impression. On the contrary; I read your posts from the beginning of this Forum.

        You wrote the below to jansee:

        “How on earth you came to the conclusion that the video is not a fake?
        I think you know the principle, those who assert must prove?
        Can you prove it? I challenge you cannot.
        Shall we try? Are you ready to take your own challenge?
        Thanks!”

        You said “I challenge you cannot”; what does this mean Yapa? This means that you have concluded that the video is a fake; do you not agree?

        Then you said further down:

        “Before investigating the killing fields, we must investigate the video itself. Are those assert, ready for that investigation?
        Will establish the “Prima Facie” first?”

        If your assertion such that, the Channel 4 had put together a feature length programme with fake videos and unscrupulously tarnished the image of the Sri Lanka; Sri Lanka is duty bound to mount a challenge; do you not think so? If a challenge is mounted in the British Courts, Prima Facie of the video contents will be scrutinised; GOSL can present their case and Scientific know-how exposing the real intent on the part of the Broadcasters. This is my case; do you see any issues with that?

        You further said:

        “For your information I will give the two priciples of natural justice.

        1. One should not be the judge of his own case.
        2. Listen to both parties.”

        I completely agree with this approach; I am not an expert on these matters; I would like to see Sri Lanka is given a platform for her to put her case. The Tamils must learn from an impartial investigation of the atrocities committed by the LTTE. The LTTE had options to surrender unconditionally much earlier; I would like the Tamil people to know that LTTE could have saved many lives by being responsible than going by their ego. On the same token, the Sinhalese must know as to how many died as a result of inhumane and willfully targeting of the no-fire zones allegedly. An investigation is a must.

      • Burning_Issue

        Dear OTC,

        You asked a numerous questions; some are reasonable and some are illogical!

        I reiterate; only way to get the bottom of all these allegations is to empower an impartial investigation. Let the findings point the finger at the likes of Mrs Balasingham. I am all in favour of implicating the Tamil Diasporas to an extend that they should be made accountable; I am all for it.

        However, What I do not understand is, why such an outcry from you when there are options for GOSL to constructively deal with this charge. There are international mechanism and legal avenues available to mount a counter case against the Channel 4 charge. Why not do that OTC?

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,,

        You say “You asked a numerous questions; some are reasonable and some are illogical! ”

        Yes, I ask questions but from those who ask lopsided questions. My questions are designed to bring out the one sided nature of those questions.

        I would be grateful to know which of my questions are illogical. Can you advise?

        “I reiterate; only way to get the bottom of all these allegations is to empower an impartial investigation. Let the findings point the finger at the likes of Mrs Balasingham.”

        There are many pictures published by the LTTE itself which establishes a Prima Facie Case against Ms Balasingham. She was the Leader of the Tiger Women’s wing and had been photographed handing the Cyanide Capsule Necklace at the passing out of Young LTTE Female trainee Cadres.

        She lives in the UK, under the Nose of UK authorities. The UK authorities are prime movers of the current HRV pressures brought against Sri Lanka. The MOON report speaks of LTTE HR violations. The LTTE leadership is dead but a few like Adelle are living.
        What excuse can UK give, for entertaining her on UK soil, without prosecuting her?

        Why not set the pace by prosecuting those who can be prosecuted?

        What does the UK want? Justice or Revenge? Revenge for the ignominy that the UK FM Milibank underwent when he tried to flex muscle at SL during the war?

        My personal view of International Investigations is that such investigations should be common to all without exception. It should not be allowed to be used as a tool to brow beat the militarily weak countries. We have seen this happening in the WMD witch hunt. To dispense Justice a System of Justice common to all should be first established. I cannot see such a system in place Internationally. If it was, we would not hear of Abhu Gharibs , Guantanamo’s etc.

        If such an impartial system is established I am all for prosecuting anyone anywhere in the world.

        “However, What I do not understand is, why such an outcry from you when there are options for GOSL to constructively deal with this charge. There are international mechanism and legal avenues available to mount a counter case against the Channel 4 charge. Why not do that OTC?”

        My outcry is against the unjust and one sided criticism. I have no problem with balanced criticism.

        Here is an example of a comment of mine, which I wrote, when I noted INTENTIONAL SLANDER, in an article written by Ms Darini Rajasingham. She has not defended her position yet.

        http://groundviews.org/2011/06/09/checkmate-rajapakse-the-un-report-militarism-and-public-religion-in-sri-lanka/#comment-33035

        Channel 4 had a drubbing in SL during the war. They have an axe to grind and hence resort to trial by media. They too do not notice the LTTE women’s wing Supremo living in their midst. Have they mounted a similar campaign to bring to justice leading LTTE operatives still living and active in the UK and the West?

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear GroundViews,

        What is wrong with the phrase

        “Your slip is showing again madam” which was edited out?

        This is just for information so that I could write within the confines of your borders.

        ###

        Dear OTC,

        When you use the word ‘slip,’ we assume you mean ‘petticoat,’ which seems unnecessary. Please engage constructively. Thank you.

        GV.

      • myil selvan

        As there is a back and forth on the issue of investigations can we agree to a suspects swap?
        Adele Balasingham, Nediyawan and other members involved directly or indirectly with the LTTE in western countries to be arrested to stand trial in Sri Lanka.
        And likewise all the suspects on the Sri Lankan government side Gotabhaya, Basil, Mahinda (real name Mahendra), Palitha Kohono, Maj.Gen. Shavendra Silva, Prasanna Silva, Fmr Gen. Sarath Fonseka, etc,etc., to stand trial in a western country.

        What do you make of this proposal?

      • yapa

        Dear myil selvan;

        A very good proposal to start bringing in justice.

        WE can start implementing the proposal by handing over Adele Balasingham, Nediyawan, Rudrakumaran, that catholic tiger priest in Germany to Sri Lankan government.

        I think we all must push the proposal hard to make it a reality.

        Thanks!

      • Off the Cuff

        Apologies to Burning Issue for digressing away from the subject in this thread by my Query from GroundViews.

        This was due to a quirk in the Word Press software.
        my query to ground views was made just after my reply to you (June 17, 2011 • 1:47 am).

        Apologies again.

      • yapa

        Burning_Issue

        “You said on one of the forums that you want to practice the true principles of Buddhism; only when you want to I suppose!”

        My hero is “Pussadeva”. I like to follow his path. I think you know Sri Lankan history.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Dear Burning_Issue;

        “You said “I challenge you cannot”; what does this mean Yapa? This means that you have concluded that the video is a fake; do you not agree?”

        No, I meant the authenticity of the video should be established, should not be taken for granted.
        ……………..

        ““Before investigating the killing fields, we must investigate the video itself. Are those assert, ready for that investigation?
        Will establish the “Prima Facie” first?””

        This explains my answer above.
        ……..

        “If your assertion such that, the Channel 4 had put together a feature length programme with fake videos and unscrupulously tarnished the image of the Sri Lanka;”

        Really there is no such assertion. However, it does not imply that the videos are authentic. Why any objection against “testing its credibility” before accepting anything? Why on earth we would follow such a naive path? I don’t see any reason to object “critical analysis”.
        …………………..

        “Sri Lanka is duty bound to mount a challenge; do you not think so? If a challenge is mounted in the British Courts, Prima Facie of the video contents will be scrutinised; GOSL can present their case and Scientific know-how exposing the real intent on the part of the Broadcasters. This is my case; do you see any issues with that?”

        Not at this primary level. If the videos cannot pass the most primary tests, such reactions are not commensurate with the action. Why use a mult-barrel gun to kill an ant?
        ………

        “[You further said:

        “For your information I will give the two priciples of natural justice.

        1. One should not be the judge of his own case.
        2. Listen to both parties.”

        I completely agree with this approach; I am not an expert on these matters; I would like to see Sri Lanka is given a platform for her to put her case. The Tamils must learn from an impartial investigation of the atrocities committed by the LTTE. The LTTE had options to surrender unconditionally much earlier; I would like the Tamil people to know that LTTE could have saved many lives by being responsible than going by their ego. On the same token, the Sinhalese must know as to how many died as a result of inhumane and willfully targeting of the no-fire zones allegedly. An investigation is a must.]”

        To tell you frankly, what would you achieve ultimately in this endaevour? That is why I asked about the “Cost-Benefit Analysis” from jansee. Isn’t there reason to suspect that this is a plan of the “vultures” to enjoy a “completion of fowls”? Haven’t they done this not only to us but to the whole world? Can you trust their “independent kindness” towards “humanity” looking at their “cannibal” history. They ate thousands of our men and women alive to fill their greedy bellies. You what “Britain” and the colonials left as legacy to us and to the whole world. They are somehow or the other responsible for most of the (undefined and defined)Human Right Violation took place and taking place in the world. Are you willing to appoint a “vulture” to judge our “fowl fight”? I am afraid they would blow whistles out of our bones. Don’t you think so?

        Thanks, Dear Burning_Issue.

      • yapa

        Correction….;

        “Isn’t there reason to suspect that this is a plan of the “vultures” to enjoy a [“completion] of fowls”?

        Here “completion” should change as “competition”.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Dear Dear Burning_Issue;

        Most of the Europeans, including”English” are descending from one the most ferocious and cruel barbarians of the world history, those are responsible for the destruction of mighty Roman Empire, with their continuous barbaric attacks. Their conduct in the past after that and in the present is not different. They captured the whole world killing millions of men and women and enslaving another millions robbing their treasures all over the world. Present is not different from their cannibal past. 25% of their population consumes over 75% of the resources of the whole world, making the flesh of the rest become less and less on the daily basis.

        Dear Burning_Issue, beneath their “white skin”, that barbaric cannibal is still alive and still greedy for others’ flesh.

        Beware of the traps of the cleanly attired cannibals!

        Thanks!

      • Off the Cuff

        Dear Burning Issue,

        I am awaiting an answer to my post of June 17, 2011 • 1:47 am.

        When I make an accusation It’s done with proof in hand.
        If I make a mistake I do not hesitate to apologise or to correct the error.

        Are you able to do likewise?

      • yapa

        “India had earlier made its stand clear on the issue of single country resolutions at the United Nations. National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon had stated during his visit here that India did not support U.N. resolutions aiming at individual member states.”

        http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2113467.ece

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        jansee and the other supporters of the killing field;

        Why don’t you try to find out a video that shows the “execution of 600 surrendered policemen” to the LTTE, and hand it over to the Channel-4?

        It would be easier for you to trace it as you don’t have to comb Sri lankan soldiers for that, as in the present case. You would easily find it among your LTTE friends and also Channel-4 would produce a more emotional and forceful documentary and telecast it, as the human rights violations of this particular case of killing 600 surrendered men are more severe.

        I wish all the best for your honest endeavour for human rights.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Mass police massacre commemorated

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/education/betsie/parser.pl

        Thanks!

      • yapa
  • ravana

    Whilst one cannot term a documentary as evidence, it is certainly a very damning indictment on the Sri Lankan Government and members of its Armed Forces. This is because, calling these videos “fake” just does not give any one credibility.
    GoSL has quite reprehensibly abrogated its responsibility to investigate the crimes of rape and execution depicted so graphically.
    With regard to the footage taken in the NFZ I am not sure how Sarath Fonseka can claim that no War Crimes were committed ( the examples given in this footage being consistent shelling of hospitals) unless he has incontrovertible evidence to support it (e.g. that the LTTE used artillery from the vicinity of or within the hospitals).

    If this is the case then GoSL has a responsibility to dispatch SF immediately to an International Forum to explain his claim.Their inaction points only to probable guilt of very high ranking officers of the Armed Forces and of the Government (both in possible systematic shelling of vulnerable populations and in systematic torture, rape and execution of LTTE members and in some cases civilians).

    The relationship of SF to the Government and to criminals within the Armed Forces becomes a very curious one now. If he is also guilty, why have they not fabricated all charges of crimes against him? Surely, if he had some complicity, it would be an easy task to connect him with some relatively low ranking officers and soldiers and get rid of SF altogether.

    Perhaps SF is cleverer than he is being given credit for. I mean that he may in fact have been clean and made sure that he had evidence of it whilst he may have also sequestered evidence of very highly placed people being complicit in crimes. The fact that he is being coy about evidence of War Crimes which he must surely know about means that there are some very nervous people in Sri Lanka.

    My theory is that given the history of GoSL and the Armed Forces/Police in committing crimes in the past (particularly horrific crimes which were committed against the sinhala youth in the 1970’s and 1980’s need to be considered in addition to any crimes which may have been perpetrated on Tamil people) and given the fact that they have got away with it in the past, there have clearly been multiple Trojan Horses on this occasion. Horses which would not have been suspect but have been able to extract graphic images which cannot be so easily refuted. They have now managed to discredit the UN, the very organisation which let them down previously.

    As I speak there are rumours that the GoSL and the Police are preparing a case to point the finger at the JVP for the shooting at Katunayake. This is reminiscent of one JRJ blaming July 83 on the JVP. Now the current GoSL is going down the same path. Ironically, I am told that the 60 000 youth who were tortured, raped and executed in 1987-89 were mostly children of SLFP supporters.

    Politics in SL are intriguing. Perhaps there is method in the madness of Sarath Fonseka’s relationship (even at arm’s length) with the JVP. I hesitate to credit SF with such brilliance and foresight. But quite a few people have so far underestimated his strategy and tactics. Similarly, perhaps large proportion of the relatively few people who have courage, intelligence and initiative in SL may indeed be JVP members.

    OTOH, perhaps it is just what one can expect of the madness which pervades Sri Lankan body politic. If one gives a monkey a cut throat razor one can only expect utter disaster.

    Whatever the case, time of reckoning is coming for GoSL and most of its Public Institutions, particularly the Armed Forces and the Police. After viewing the evidence on this programme, no member of the Armed Forces of SL past or present can hold his or her head high, until the criminals depicted in these images (in the least) are brought to justice.

    If GoSL (as expected) abrogates this task, then International mechanisms cannot be avoided. This is not because of the UN, the West or the Tiger Lobby (jointly cast as the enemy). But because decent Sri Lankans overseas, perhaps amounting to 2 million will insist on it.

  • Jeg

    Why not put the video up here on Groundviews so that everyone can watch it? It is already up on youtube. What is stopping you Groundviews?

  • dinu

    [Edited out] Once you see this film you know that there is only on place for Rajapakse Bros Inc. – The Hague War Crimes Tribunal since the film also establishes Command Responsibility. We need regime change in Lanka since Rajapakse Bros. Inc. are a curse on the country, and militarizing it just like the LTTE was, and this country will never develop as long as they control it and it is a pariah in the world. We want regime change NOW!

    Also, what a bunch of humbugs to say that the film will spread racial hatred when it is they who are spreading racial hatred by discriminating against the minorities while abusing Buddhism and its principles of non-violence and tolerance. DOWN WITH RAJAPAKSE!

  • kadphises

    Visit http://www.tamilsforobama.com/
    and see the whole unedited version of the footage and then come back and tell us that it is a fake. Listen to the dialogue among the soldiers in the background and tell us it was scripted. Not one Sinhalese person will honestly agree with you. The dialoge here is the clincher. It is so authentic that not even the best playwright could have scripted it.

    I was originally a bit doubtful over a couple of aspects. The lack of a recoile when the rifle is fired. The victim falling backwards (rather than forwards) when the bullet hits him in the back and also the lack of a muzzle flash when the rifle is discharged. But having seen the entire clip I now think there could have been other reasons for these and feel the footage looks 90% authentic.

    My personal analyses below.

    This was a well orchestrated act where the LTTE leadership in captivity was systematically eliminated. Not a bunch of undisciplined soldiers running amok and killing captives.

    Listen to the man in authority ordering “Amathara kattiya methanin dan karuna karala yanna” i.e. “All extraneous people now please leave”. Also, the two soldiers who are carrying out the executions dont appear to be enjoying it or trivialising it. They look tense and disturbed. Only one guy in the background is nattering away as if it was something funny. Another soldier sees the boy with the face blown away and remonstrates “Who the hell did this? You CANNOT do this… God! I dont know.. One of them is even supposed to be a doctor”

    Below is the Army kill list given on their own web site which lists a doctor Lt. Col Malavaran Master among the killed on 18th May. The News Reader Lt. Col Isei Piriya is also in the list and also among the corpses in the video.

    http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090621_02_TerrList

    When one of the men is led on to the field. The soldier who appears to be enjoying it all says “Thats the guy I wanted. (perhaps he showed some insolence) look at him he is even wearing a Yantharaya” To my knowledge Yantharaya talismans are more commonly worn by Sinhalese. I havent seen any Tamils wearing them so it must be quite rare.

    The photograph below shows a group of bound captives. Among them a boy who looks uncannily like the one with half his head missing and also a somewhat fierce looking chap wearing a blue saraong and a “Yantharaya” around his neck. So was this the group that was later executed?

    http://genocidesrilanka.blogspot.com/2010/12/srilanka-war-crimes-video-womens-body.html

    There is another dialogue in the background. A guy relating an incident about how someone left his rifle on the ground to pick up a bottle of water when another leapt at the rifle and fired twice. Another asks “was it one of them?” and he replies “No. it was one of our guys” and concludes saying “Otherwise we all might have died” Its not very clear who leapt at the rifle or who opened fire as the speech is very muffled and unclear. Perhaps someone with better hearing can transcribe this conversation as it sounds quite relavant.

    The Rajapakses seem to have had it all their way since the end of the war. Eliminating those they didnt like. Bullying those who criticised them. Rewarding the sycophants and the mad nationalists. Embarking on Grandiose projects for their own aggrandisement with tax payer money while the war affected suffered in their tents. But the tide seems to be turning. The Indians are getting tough, worker unrest is growing at home and now this video. The sad part is that the country will be dragged through more years of turmoil before the Rajapakses finally succumb to the eventual fate thats awaiting them.

    • ravana

      Kadphises,
      I also had doubts about the original video. Aside from the “inconsistencies” it was psychologically difficult (especially given propaganda on the defense website) that the newly disciplines SLA would be capable of something like this. The inconsistencies have been now explained.

      To continue to deny the authenticity of these images would be travesty now. Whether this is evidence applicable in a court is immaterial. The level of evidence in a criminal court is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In a civil court it is “balance of probabilities”. In a truth commission the standard might be even lower.

      It is time for an International Truth Commission to name and shame the perpetrators of crimes in Sri Lanka over the past 40 years or so.

      What is evident after watching the Rajapakssa led regime over the past two years is that they are a macabre reflection of the LTTE.

      War atrocities
      Persecution of dissenters
      Abductions
      Recruitment of youth into militarized camps in which propaganda is fed to them
      The population lives in fear of the Government but outwardly praise it.
      Only thing that’s missing are cyanide capsules.
      OTOH I understand that the Armed Forces have perfected the technology to ensure that “suicides” are never discovered.

      • Observer

        Oh right so you live in the Sri Lanka you have constructed in your head and use for propaganda.

  • Just when I thought the Brits couldn’t get any more snootily arrogant, an FO minister says: “If the Sri Lankan government does not respond we will support the international community in revisiting all options available to press the Sri Lankan Government to fulfil its obligations.” i.e. we’ll get you at the UNHRC & EU. http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=615115382

    Its a measure of the UK’s post-imperial self-delusion that they genuinely believe that they’re in a position to keep giving self-righteous moral lectures, after their recent history of bringing death and destruction to hapless Arabs. GoSL must investigate and punish not because of whiny Brits, but because its the right thing to do.

    As a counter-blast, GoSL should align itself with Argentina in the Falklands dispute (where the US is already leading the way) and also offer support for the Scottish independence ‘struggle’. There’s nothing quite as sick-making as Brit politicians engaging in displays of moral outrage.

    • kadphises

      Well said Mango. Perhaps the British FO minister can first show some movement in their own Inquiries into their own soldiers’ abuses. Yesterday’s news claimed that only one Iraqi had been interviewed by the Inquiry commitee investigating abuse of Iraqis by British Soldiers pointing to another cover up.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9512000/9512345.stm

      There is another case currently in the High Court where a group of Kenyan Kikuyus who were tortured by the British during their quelling of the Mau Mau uprising are seeking compensation. All of them were castrated by the British but the British are now arguing that any compensation due to them should be paid by the Kenyan Govt and not the British! So if the minister is keen on pursuing war crimes accountability around the world he can well do with starting at home.

      The following are two reports on their woeful record in Kenya.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20060710.shtml

      http://www.ogiek.org/indepth/special-report-2.htm

      • ravana

        I also agree that someone needs to go after the British for their crimes.

        However, it is the British Media themselves who are leading the charge. The British courts are not smeared with lack of independence.

        Besides, whilst the British Public can sleep with a clear conscience knowing there are those who take their Government to task, expatriate Sri Lankans do not have such avenues except for a website such as this. WRT Sri Lankan Judiciary… well.. this is why we need an International mechanism.

  • PitastharaPuthraya

    I do not have any personal expertees to decide whether this video is fake or not.

    However, the facts are that there were more than 300,000 people concentrated on that small strip of land and the SLA shelled and bombed that area. If any one says that there can not be civilian deaths that person should be out of his/her mind.

    If the people who have supported the GOSL war effort during the last stages of Ealam war should be able to stand up against these allegation by accepting the fact that they have killed the civilians. That is how the ‘heros’ act. Denying the facts and hiding behind counter allegations are good only for cowards.

    People tend to forget the past very easily. The SLA, Police and Paramilitary forces killed the JVP actitivists and others during the days of ‘Second JVP insurrectin’ (1987 – 1989) in the same way. This habit goes back to 1971 or even before. If the predominantely Sinhala armed forced killed sinhalese youth in that way would you expect sympathy for the tamils from them?

    • ravana

      Pitastharaputhraya
      Ditto

    • Off the Cuff

      PitastharaPuthraya,

      You say “If any one says that there can not be civilian deaths that person should be out of his/her mind.“

      Who says so?

      Can you provide a web reference to such a claim?

  • jansee

    yapa:

    “I think you know the principle, those who assert must prove?
    Can you prove it? I challenge you cannot.
    Shall we try? Are you ready to take your own challenge?”

    Those who asserted, a UN Special Rapporteur and Channel 4 News claim that they have verified through experts that the videos are authentic. How do you know that the SL regime is telling the truth. Can you get the SL leaders to submit voluntarily for the scrutiny by independent international organisations? Well, let me see how you come on this challenge?

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      We can go for an independent international investigation at least when the basic level credibility is established.

      I am not an expert, but anybody pushes the issue hard can answer at least my naive questions to establish its prima facie, rather than depending on propaganda to prove the case.

      On the other, it is a clear cut case which does not leave any doubt that LTTE killed 600 surrendered Police Officers. If you are realty campaigning for human right violations,why don’t you first campaign for this well established case took place in the same land, Sri Lanka? Isn’t this evidence for the prejudice of motives of the people behind the case?

      Really what you all want is not investigation of “human right violations”, but a mixture of your personal wants that arose due to the defeat of LTTE,and your collapsed hopes due this defeat. There could be some element of what you say also involved, it was a war not a cocktail party thrown by the LTTE or the GOSL, but my point is main pursuant behind the this campaign is not the genuine intention, but something shaded with ill intention. Tell me what is the ultimate goal of your venture? Did you do a “Cost-Benefit Analysis” of the campaign? Are you sure there are more benefits the costs?

      Why do you think Sinhalese people affected in 1971 and 1989 left their cases? Why there were no international support like this for the investigation of human right violation cases taken place on those unfortunate occasions? Do you say cases of HR violations were not there or less? Really No, there is something unusual behind this particular move.

      Ok, Can you prove the authenticity of the video at least to a layman like me. Will show the patient to the family physician, before taking him to the international specialist in London, New york or wherever it is.

      Please try to establish prima facie of the case to this “crack doctor at least”?

      Thanks!

      • myil selvan

        Karuna Amman was involved in the murder of the 600 (exact number verification needed) police officers. Now he is part of the government. Will he be brought before a court of law in this country?
        Will KP be brought before a court of law?

      • yapa

        myil selvan;

        just as you say the “Accountability” of the killing of armed forces go to the political leadership of GOSL, the accountability of the actions of Karuna and KP rest with the LTTE.

        Can you explain why they stopped killing armed force members and civilians after they separated from the LTTE? LTTE was the force behind the actions of Karuna and KP.

        Do you know what the term Accountability means, pronounced in that mighty documentary, and you try to show that you have a good faith?

        I don’t think you know what you are talking.

        Thanks!

      • myil selvan

        dear yapa,
        the Karuna faction did not stop killing after leaving the LTTE. They recruited child soldiers and killed civilians they didn’t like all with Government approval.Example the killing of the TRO workers. These workers were just doing their jobs. But since TRO is linked to the LTTE they were killed. The Karuna faction also targeted family members of LTTE cadres. This is like the JVP threatening the family members of the armed forces.

        It is not accountability, peace, justice,fairness,etc,etc,etc,etc but who’s on our side that matters to the GoSL. The GoSL and the LTTE are like two sides of the same coin. But the bloodier side is the GoSL’s. Thank you.

      • yapa

        Dear myil selvan;

        “the Karuna faction did not stop killing after leaving the LTTE. They recruited child soldiers and killed civilians they didn’t like all with Government approval.Example the killing of the TRO workers. These workers were just doing their jobs. But since TRO is linked to the LTTE they were killed. The Karuna faction also targeted family members of LTTE cadres. This is like the JVP threatening the family members of the armed forces.”

        This exactly reiterates my point again.

        When in the LTTE, Karuna faction killed GOSL soldiers, Policemen and Sinhala civilians, but that was stopped after he broke away from LTTE. This clearly explains that LTTE is the killing force behind Karuna faction before it broke away, and hence the accountability(responsibility?)of killing 600 Policemen is goes to LTTE.

        The actions after its break away from LTTE, was done for its survival. It not only did all those things you have mentioned above, but also sought the help of the GOSL, and offered its help to hunt down LTTE, as it was convinced that it would not survive along with a strong LTTE. I don’t say Karuna did not kill those you have mentioned above. However, it was a struggle between two terror groups. However, GOSL as a warring party very correctly used the situation for its advantage.

        My point was those who are advocating for HR violation investigations are not motivated for real HR issues, as if so the killing of 600 surrendered Policemen is a well established case and hence cannot have a less priority than some speculative case of HR violation shown in the CH4 video. Really those campaigns are done to revenge the defeat of LTTE, and the aspirations of wealthy Tamil diaspora, don’t you agree with me?

        Thanks!

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      I sent a post replying to your post but it is not appearing on the blog, I don’t know what has happened. I will try to re-write an answer.

      Before taking the case to an (independent?) international organization, why don’t we try to establish the credibility of the case, at least at the lowest level? I am not an expert, but can you convince me at least? Can you answer my naive questions and pass the most primary test? Can you establish the prima facie of the case? Before taking the patient to the internationally famed “surgeon”, shall we take him to the “Family Physician”? I think you have not convinced even this “crack doctor” yet,but already asking for help for a mighty surgery in the mass media.

      Are you sure this endaevour of yours is a genuine interest against HR violations? It is a well established HR violation case in this same country that 600 surrendered policemen to the LTTE were executed. Why you have not shown any interest for investigating that if your real interest is against the HR violations? Why don’t you talk about the HR violations still being done in the killing fields of the wars waged by “super Powers” of the world? You think only HR violations that should be considered are the ones chosen according to your criterion?

      Really tell me what is the ultimate goal you all are expecting to achieve through this campaign? Have you done a Cost-Benefit Analysis of your project? Are the benefits more than the costs? Will the end result bring prosperity at least to the Tamil community living in Sri Lanka, not the Diaspora living in greener pastures?

      Why do you think Sinhalese people gave up HR violations took place during 1971 and 1989? Do you think no HR violations took place or it is less? Why it didn’t get international backing like this?

      No, the reason for the difference have to be something else. I think not only Tamil diaspora, but many want to avenge for the losses and humiliation and other repercussions they incurred through the defeat of LTTE.

      Never mind, shall we start the most basic level investigation? Shall we start it with answering my simple questions?

      Thanks!

    • Off the Cuff

      Jansee,

      You say “Can you get the SL leaders to submit voluntarily for the scrutiny by independent international organisations? Well, let me see how you come on this challenge?”

      That’s a logical question Jansee but the more logical action would be to prosecute the Living LTTE Leaders who are accessible to those who want to prosecute the inaccessible SL Govt Leaders.

      For instance Ms. Adelle Balasingham the Top Rung LTTE inner circle Female Leader is living openly in the UK. She is culpable for everything the UN Report is accusing the LTTE of.

      Why don’t you start with her and the leaders of the LTTE Fund raising and management organisations living in the West who are accessible and are under the Jurisdiction of Western Govts?

      Why are you SILENT on that?

      Your slip is showing madam.

  • yapa

    Make a video, you can win the whole world!

    It is simple as that.

    When we were in the school a popular topic for debate was “Which is more powerful, sward or the pen”?

    But these LTTE remnants seem to think that a video is more powerful than the gun. I think with these videos, they are trying to get what they couldn’t get with their guns.

    Thanks!

  • jansee

    yapa:

    I agree that the butchers of the 600 policemen should be brought to justice and the butcher responsible for this (Karuna) is already in the “custody” of the SL regime. The world would love to see him in the dock. I am all for it.

    Do you really understand how the isssue of “prima facie” works? The UN Panel’s report is what we would call a “prima facie” report and it summarised by stating that there are CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS” to pursue an international inquiry. In fact, the SL regime has been given the right to hold such an inquiry (not the farce LLRC) which meets international standards. So what is the problem?

    Whether this is an issue of a personal want or ill-intent, let it be so? If raising such issues draw such categorisations, then there are millions of people around the world who share the like personal wants and ill-intents, at least not more than the ill-intent of a regime which denied even its own elected MPs from visiting the barbed-wired camps. It is not without reason or substance that this war has been called as “a war without witnesses”. Would you term it as mere ill-intent or murderous intent to slyly designate no-fire zones and start pounding the people to pulp? Actually the basket is full to pick and choose.

    Am I surprised that what it means to you is just a “cost-benefit-analysis” as if the Tamils are or have become just commodities and then slay them like animals? And I am surprised that this is the typical attitude of the majority Sinhalese and the only way to go is for a separate Eelam – call it a dream but for all what happens in SL, I am more of convinced that it will become a reality and certainly don’t need yours or others to deny the Tamils of their statehood. In fact, I forsee it coming on a silver platter just by shooting the own foot.

    Off the cuff:

    “That’s a logical question Jansee but the more logical action would be to prosecute the Living LTTE Leaders who are accessible to those who want to prosecute the inaccessible SL Govt Leaders.”

    Can we start with Prabhakaran’s successor KP? I believe Karuna and Pillayan are still around. Did anyone stop the SL authorities in apprehending Adele in UK courts? Whether the gravy will boil in UK courts is another question altogether – not like most of the kangaroo courts in SL! Like the dispora’s initiative in filing suits in foreign countries against the leaders of the SL regime, there is no one standing in the way in doing the same with alleged LTTErs. So, what are you waiting for?

    • Off the Cuff

      Jansee,

      You say “Can we start with Prabhakaran’s successor KP? I believe Karuna and Pillayan are still around. Did anyone stop the SL authorities in apprehending Adele in UK courts? Whether the gravy will boil in UK courts is another question altogether – not like most of the kangaroo courts in SL! Like the dispora’s initiative in filing suits in foreign countries against the leaders of the SL regime, there is no one standing in the way in doing the same with alleged LTTErs. So, what are you waiting for?”

      The haste to prosecute is with the Tiger Flagwaving Diaspora Tamils and the Western governmental alliance. Hence your question “Did anyone stop the SL authorities in apprehending Adele in UK courts?” is more relevant when framed thus Did anyone stop the UK authorities in apprehending Adele and prosecuting in UK courts or even the Hague?

      Though I understand why you would want KP, Karuna and Pillayan to be prosecuted, which you would not have even articulated, if they, like Adelle, was in the UK and within the LTTE, they, like the SL Leaders, are now, unfortunately, out of reach, of either the UK Govt, the Western Alliance or the LTTE Flag waving Diaspora Tamils.

      Hence IF the interest is really about prosecuting HR Violators, the ball is in the court of those who are moving Moon and the Vociferous LTTE flag waving Diaspora, to prosecute those within reach, without crying for the Moon.

      The UK govt is a prime mover in attempting to prosecute Sri Lankan Leaders for HR violations, while doing nothing to the Female Tiger Supreme Leader living under its Nose, the Moon report not withstanding.

      The fact that you, do not recognize, Adelle Balasinham, who awarded the Cyanide capsule Graduation necklace to Female Tigers Cadres, was directly responsible for Child soldiers and also had command responsibility for all LTTE atrocities of its female Cadres, as a prime target for HRV investigation and prosecution, does expose that your intent, in screaming for justice, is not about justice.

      There is a saying that, when you point one finger at others, four of them would be pointing at you.

      You see madam, it is not the SL govt that’s pushing for HRV investigations and prosecutions. A prime mover is the UK govt. Hence it is not for the SL govt to prosecute Adelle in UK Courts it is the CLEAR responsibility of the UK govt under whose Jurisdiction Adele lives, in comfort, to do so.

      Does the Fact that she is white and a LTTE supremo, give her immunity from prosecution?

      Is that why the LTTE flag waving Diaspora, very carefully avoids the issue?

      Jansee, what makes you defend that murderess and those LTTE fund raisers who are immune from investigation by Western Govts under whose Jurisdiction they are living in comfort? Is it to seek Justice or to promote your ulterior motives?

      What is your apparent affinity with the LTTE?

      [Edited out]

    • ravana

      Jansee,
      C’mon. On this issue “Off the cuff” is dead right. If you haven’t seen the Australian documentary from way back in which Adele Anna is giving cyanide capsules to young Tiger Baby brigade girls, then you must have been born yesterday. Whilst I am for an International, independent investigation, I think it needs to go all the way.
      Evidence against the Rajapaksas are so far circumstantial (for war crimes). The evidence against them as decent human beings is overwhelming. The evidence against Adele Balasingham for crimes against humanity is direct. It’s on video. As I understand it was a group of her baby-girls who were responsible for the Dollar and Kent Farm mass murders. Charles Manson comes to mind.

      The woman needs to be brought to justice. If the UK Police have not done this I would like to know why? I can tell you, when and if we do commence an independent inquiry, Adele would be one of the first perpetrators considered.

      WRT those who claim that the Ch4 is false or acted out, I could also ask the question, how do we know that the GoSL did not have 600 police murdered or the novices at Aranthalawa murdered, for propaganda purposes. If they were not GoSL propaganda then show us the court reports of conviction of those responsible (nudge nudge wink wink). I have certainly seen article of a former clerk of the Presidential Commission for 1987-89 describe in gory details the accusation against the Armed Forces and the Police. If those accusations are true then that is evidence that armed agents of GoSL are capable of mass murder and could stage such things for propaganda purposes.

      OK, let’s take a breath. How about we stop all the bullshit and admit that bad things happened to people in Vanni and LTTE captives. The former may be demonstrated to be accidents or even cynically regretted. The problem is that GoSL has not even had the common sense to do that. The latter is definitely evidence of crimes and the reluctance to seek out and prosecute the perpetrators heavily implies GoSL culpability. It definitely falls off the high-horse on this count. This is the problem for those of us watching from afar.

      This makes us think that the Rajapaksas who have already a reputation as unsavoury human beings, would certainly be capable of having command responsibility for systematic crimes as the video is attempting to suggest (It is the fact that there is not even an attempt to refute relatively flimsy allegations on the video except by making laughable counter-allegation that Ch4 has taken bribes from LTTE which makes us think that there is a fire if there’s smoke).

      It is also a 40 year vile history of undermining of the independence of judiciary which makes us lack confidence in any so-called investigations by GoSL. Since Judge Alles of the 1970’s no commission looking into armed incidents in SL have provided a fare report nor brought state perpetrators to brook.

      Welcome to the digital age baby. If Adele cannot get away with it, neither can the Rajapaksas. We have evidence on video of the Rajapksas claiming total responsibility for the War and denying War Crimes on the one hand and threatening to hang someone for revealing state secrets on the other. In fact, claiming that a Rajapaksa had ordered execution of surrendering Tigers is not treated as slander but is considered treason for revealing state-secrets. Well, I think we probably could put yet another video programme together, courtesy Rajapaksa Inc.

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      I think Off the Cuff has given exact answers for many of the queries raised in you last post. Those areas I don’t think any body has more to touch until any more queries raised from your side, if available. However, I would like to touch upon some other areas you touched and also you did not touch, though I had requested. Before that I should state that your post is a general undertaking to deal general issues with some persuasive language, rather than addressing the issues addressed to you. I think we should let the contents talk rather than the medium used to communicate the contents. Lets let contents talk undisturbed by emotion packed language, that would mainly raise the fools emotions, and would deviate the direction of the journey from its objective of finding justice and truth.

      ****”I agree that the butchers of the 600 policemen should be brought to justice and the butcher responsible for this (Karuna) is already in the “custody” of the SL regime. The world would love to see him in the dock. I am all for it.”

      How do you funnel down the butchery to that single person Karuna, and indemnify the organization that represented him at that time, LTTE, and the hierarchy from it? Do you think Karuna did it against the “strong opposition” of the LTTE and its hierarchy? Do you have good reasons to believe so?

      There is a good Sinhala saying “Kanna Onae unama kabaraya thalagoya wenavalu”, which means when you want to eat monitor turns into iguana. Why you want to eat Karuna, only after he came out from the LTTE? Did you also have that liking when he was in? Also as Off the Cuff says why don’t you want to eat Adela,who is at your hand’s length? If I take her out, will you develop a liking to eat her as well?

      On the other hand Karuna is a “Tamil butcher”, not a “Sinhala Butcher”. You can find more Tamil Butchers than Sinhala Butcher. You can ask the “found of flesh” from them.

      What do you think about “Accountability” concept in there and numerous other civilian killings by the LTTE? Do you want a list of killings by the LTTE, and a lesson about the “Accountability” concept? If you and those fools who made those videos don’t know what “Accountability” is just tell me, I would teach the lesson.

      ***”Do you really understand how the isssue of “prima facie” works? The UN Panel’s report is what we would call a “prima facie” report and it summarised by stating that there are CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS” to pursue an international inquiry. In fact, the SL regime has been given the right to hold such an inquiry (not the farce LLRC) which meets international standards. So what is the problem?”

      Unlike accountability concept you seem to have some knowledge about “prima facie”. Lets look at it a bit more descriptively.

      Now you have drawn the “Darusman Report” in here to support your video case. Is it because, video cannot stand itself on its own legs? Darusman Report is also nothing more than a foul cry of Navaneetham Pilley for her own feathers. It is a biased private report prepared one sided with the information supplied mainly by the Tamil diaspora. What credibility it has? Credibility is not a self evident inbuilt component in anything, you wil have to establish it. Have you done it so far rather than giving it a mass propaganda?

      On the other hand keep aside the Darusman Report; even UN mandated decisions in the past had the biases of influence. NATO forces invaded Iraq on the mandate of UN to find WMD, nothing found but devastated that country with millions of civilian deaths. What is the good reason UN had to endorse NATO to invade Libya? Especially it choose NATO? Is NATO an independent body?

      Darusman Report has not established its credibility as a prima facie case. To mention another bankrupt report to support a bankrupt video shows nothing more than your bankruptcy. KEEP IN MIND WHAT YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH IS THE PRIMA FACIE OF THE VIDEO. Otherwise any fowl would cry for investigation over its foul cry.

      ***”Whether this is an issue of a personal want or ill-intent, let it be so? If raising such issues draw such categorisations, then there are millions of people around the world who share the like personal wants and ill-intents, at least not more than the ill-intent of a regime which denied even its own elected MPs from visiting the barbed-wired camps. It is not without reason or substance that this war has been called as “a war without witnesses”. Would you term it as mere ill-intent or murderous intent to slyly designate no-fire zones and start pounding the people to pulp? Actually the basket is full to pick and choose.”

      It is called as ““a war without witnesses”” by tour party, the other party called it as “humanitarian operation”, do you think this also was done with a reason and substance of the same level? Your biased naming has no any objective value? I can call thousand names for any saint.

      Why you thought showing the camps at the beginning as a priority? So many things were priorities than organizing a show. Weren’t they allowed to visit them a bit later? Can you remember Banki Moon visited them; a team of MP’s from Tamil Nadu including Kanimoshi, the Daughter of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, visited and praised the government for what it had done for the displaced? Do you really know how many displaced were there at the beginning, and what is the number now?

      ***”Am I surprised that what it means to you is just a “cost-benefit-analysis” as if the Tamils are or have become just commodities and then slay them like animals? And I am surprised that this is the typical attitude of the majority Sinhalese and the only way to go is for a separate Eelam – call it a dream but for all what happens in SL, I am more of convinced that it will become a reality and certainly don’t need yours or others to deny the Tamils of their statehood. In fact, I forsee it coming on a silver platter just by shooting the own foot.”

      I really knew that “hard pushing investigation” of the “Tan=mil diaspora of Greener Pstures” would not bring benefits to the Tamils living in Sri Lanka in a peaceful society with the other communities. That is why I asked that question. The cat jumped from the bag and the answer I guessed came out. jansee: the only way to go is for a separate Eelam – call it a dream but for all what happens in SL,”. You are endeavouring for the lost goal of the LTTE, and trying to justify it in a public forum? Trying to justify it to Sinhalese? Now your ill-intent is very clear, madam.It is a dream, jansee, rather a night mare. Try and see it with your “independent” friends like channel4 Madam, the history will never fail to repeat.

      However, rather than narrating irrelevant things with some rage, you did not address the questions I raised for you to establish the authenticity of the video. Will you please address the issues that hinder the authenticity of your case, before taking it international arena? Can you do it, (with some sober mind)?

      Thanks!

  • T

    After just watching the killing fields documentary by channel 4 I am completely outraged by the clear violation of human rights by the Sri Lankan government. What channel 4 have presented in their show is more evidence of the shameless, illogical and unintelligent propaganda the government is willing to use to pathetically hide their war crimes.

    Yes the Tigers are also guilty and yes they have also killed innocent civilians but ultimately they are a terrorist organisation made up of rebels who utilise aggressive and brutal tactics of guerrilla warfare – so it’s completely inexcusable for Sri Lankans to try and imply that in any way the acts of the Tigers justifies the acts of the Sri Lankan government in shelling hospitals and raping civilian women who hand themselves over to Army forces for protection. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Sri Lankan government has just lowered its level to that of the Tigers.

    I am Singhalese and from my personal experience the bold-faced lies given by the Sri Lankan government and military officials seem to reflect a culture of white lies which is prevalent throughout the general population. I don’t understand how anyone with half a brain and any logic can look at this documentary, as well as all the news articles and conflicting statements made by the Sri Lankan officials, and still deny to themselves as well as others that Sri Lanka is free of any wrongdoing. It’s a backwards mentality that needs to be overcome if the country is to develop at all as a nation.

    • yapa

      Dear T;

      “After just watching the killing fields documentary by channel 4 I am completely outraged by the clear violation of human rights by the Sri Lankan government.”

      How did you come to that “flawless conclusion” that these violations were done by “the Sri Lankan government”? (no one else but by the Sri Lankan government?)

      Can you explain?

      Thanks!

  • Agnos

    T,

    I am breaking my planned “fast” of GV stuff for a few weeks to see the Ch4 video issues and to make a few quick points for you.

    “Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Sri Lankan government has just lowered its level to that of the Tigers.”

    It is hardly a new experience for those of us who were at the receiving end of State terror, going back to the early 1980’s. The SLA killed a number of my relatives during Operation Liberation in 1987. The LTTE was then not fighting as a conventional force and had withdrawn fully after mining the areas close to the camps, but SLA still engaged in indiscriminate shelling.

    Individual SLA personnel told my paralyzed uncle at his home that he should dig a bunker at home and stay inside that, but another uncle who had tried to take refuge in a bunker at his home, was shot dead by soldiers who walked-in later. I became a refugee for a couple of months until the Indo-Lanka accord brought some temporary respite.
    Then there were many, many cases of brutal rape by SL armed forces in the North and East that have been reported to the world by UTHR and other sources.

    The people who deny outright that CH4 video is fabricated (which is pretty much the entire Sinhalese nationalist establishment, going by the editorials of Colombo newspapers), or otherwise stonewall or keep coming up with subterfuges about the SLA’s clear war crimes, as many people are doing right here, are oblivious of two key facts–

    1. The world now thinks of Sinhalese as worse than the Serbian fascists—that the Sinhalese think it is perfectly fine for their soldiers to commit rape and brutal murder of women captives and then deny it, as is normal for rapist-murderers to do. Such a blanket view would hardly apply to the many right-thinking people like you and a couple of others here, but that unfortunately is the effect that the knee-jerk denials will have, even more than how the brutalities of the LTTE blackened Tamils as a whole.

    2. The more the GoSL and its supporters deny that it all happened, the more the Diaspora youths will become enraged and energized; the chances that someone will resort to extra judicial means to seek justice will go up, with all that it entails.

    • ravana

      You are absolutely right Agnos. BTW, I am sorry about your personal experience. These tales should be told under affidavit at an Expatriate Truth Commission.

      About the Tigers blackening the Tamil name- absolutely true. But there is no fool quite like a sinhala fool, is there? They are more than happy to shoot themselves on the foot. Many an Irish joke could be turned into Sinhala ones. Unfortunately it’s not the Sinhala name they are blackening, it is the Sri Lankan name. This is a pity.

      OTOH, they are not the only fools. The intelligent Tamil elite whom I mixed with and even grew up with have also made the cardinal mistake that you make by targeting the Sinhalas as a group. When we were ashamed in the 1980’s of the what the “Jathi Aale” brigade of uncle JRJ did in 1983, you could have taken advantage by encouraging us to join in a common struggle. Instead when the Sinhalas were depicted in general as vile and worse when Tamils shamelessly defended atrocities by the LTTE, you just succeeded in neutralising us. You lost the War by winning a cynical battle. If the Sinhalas are “Modayas” then the Tamils are “Booruwas”.

      Now you have a second chance. I can tell you that there are many sinhalas overseas who are utterly horrified by the duplicity of this government in keeping the truth from them and turning the country into a virtual open gaol.

      If you continue to be so bitter and sullen whenever you meet us, it’s not going to workout man. At a recent meeting a couple of sinhala guys tried to get smiles from about a hundred attending Tamils. Not one smiled back. One Tamil guy actually approached them and spoke. I ask you to see some sense about who the common enemy is and work with us.

      BTW, I give you one warning with affection. The same warning I give JVP guys and they accept contritely. Never take up arms against the state again. Let those with authority do it if it ever comes to pass. If you try again you will lose big time. Because you would try (so-called extra legal means) something that these guys (the common enemy) are past masters at.

      No, you have to get them into unfamiliar territory. We will do this with or without you. With you, it will be a better party!
      [Edited out.] When it does you can enjoy seeing them signing and even dancing.

      • Agnos

        ravana,

        “The intelligent Tamil elite whom I mixed with and even grew up with have also made the cardinal mistake that you make by targeting the Sinhalas as a group.”

        I am not targeting Sinhalese as a group. I am simply saying that those who adopt the knee-jerk “deny, deny, deny” approach to allegations of SLA brutality and war crimes, especially the Sinhalese-nationalist establishment, are tarnishing Sinhalese themselves as a group. For what it is worth, I have a few Sinhalese relatives on my wife’s side, had many Sinhalese friends at Peradeniya and some of my closest Tamil friends in Australia are married to Sinhalese ladies. However, when it comes to political and human rights issues, I will tell the truth as I see it.

    • wijayapala

      Dear Agnos,

      Thank you for taking the time to reply to me in the other thread.

      There are several ways in which one can work usefully within his/her circle of influence to try to transform things. Public criticism may not be the right way in all circumstances.

      I have to ask- why was public criticism of the LTTE not the right way during the CFA (or at any time), but criticism of the GOSL is the right way today, when there is still so much rebuilding?

      Are you saying that based on your experience on how private criticism failed to reform the LTTE, you now believe that public criticism is the best way to change the GOSL?

      I was pretty harsh with him and insisted that when he got the chance, he should tell that to senior LTTE people, including people like Balakumar.

      How did Sivaram react when you told him this? And why did you mention Balakumar, who was just one of Prabakaran’s pet intellectual minions and not a decision-maker?

      Even some people who edited TamilNet from the West told me in 2002/2003/2004 that they didn’t want a war again

      Then why didn’t they say so in one of the “feature” sections? Why instead did they write useless nonsense on the “Tamil Eelam Flag” and “Tamil Eelam National Flower” when the fighting started again?

      • Agnos

        Wijayapala,

        Sivaram was a complex character. He would listen carefully but would not reveal much on where he stood or commit to anything. He didn’t agree with me on many points, but he agreed on some things. e.g., when I condemned the attack on DBS Jeyaraj by LTTE goons in Canada, he readily agreed with me. I could see that he was very afraid of Pottu Amman, and some of his public pronouncements that seemed to support the LTTE need to be taken in the context of that fear. He had many differences with the LTTE, but he was very much a Tamil nationalist and a Marxist. He was proud of his many friends among Sinhalese – Ajith Samaranayake, Dayan Jayatilleka, Rajpal Abeynayake, Chandraprema, Lakshman Gunasekara, Lester James Peiris, et al. He said even Nalin de Silva and Tilak Karunaratne (JHU?) had been his friends at one time. He implied that even he had access to only the political wing or lower level military leaders of the LTTE. I don’t know what kind of access he had to Karuna whom he seemed to admire at that time as a military man from the East.

        I brought up Balakumar because he was someone to whom Sivaram could have access, and many said that he was among the few LTTE seniors who would listen to reason; even though he had no decision-making power, I thought he might be in a position to persuade VP.

        As for your question about public criticism of the GoSL—with the LTTE, I had at least a tiny amount of leverage that I had via my social connections in the North-East. I have none with the GoSL; my friendships with the Sinhalese are largely with apolitical people who have no influence with the GoSL. Moreover, the LTTE started as a resistance movement, with some legitimate grievances. So I still had some hope that the LTTE could be transformed through the right combination of pressure and circumstances. I have no such hope with the GoSL.

        Indeed, when even Anandasangaree and Siddharthan, who had supported the GoSL during critical periods, are complaining to the India that Tamils are being treated like aboriginals by this regime ( see http://my.news.yahoo.com/colombo-treating-us-aborigines-tamils-tell-india-125333807.html), when the TNA MP’s are being attacked in the North by SLA soldiers, your question itself seems so nonsensical to me. Why can’t rebuilding and politics/war crimes be kept separate under such circumstances?

        As for the Tamilnet people, again they are very much Tamil nationalists who, despite their personal views against the war, felt a loyalty to the LTTE regardless of its atrocities and misdeeds, because they allowed their nationalist feelings override rationality, common sense and good judgment. It is something that I strongly disagreed with. Regardless, the decision to make war was VP’s.

        Don’t inveigle me into spending more time here. I am returning to my fast.

  • dinu

    SRI LANKA NEEDS TO FIND AN EXIT STRATEGY FROM POWER FOR RAJAPAKSE BROS. INC.
    1. Sri Lanka needs a viable EXIT STRATEGY for the Rajapakse Brothers at this time. This is the SINGLE biggest challenge for all concerned citizens, trade unions, the opposition, university lecturers, public intellectuals and all those who are patriots and care about Sri Lanka’s development and want to see values of decency and diversity upheld and respected by the Sri Lanka State. As long as the Rajapakse Brothers who are implicated in War Crimes continue to deny the facts and evidence, they will continue to Militarize the country to protect themselves against all those who disagree with their policies. Sri Lanka’s long awaited economic development will not happen with threatened economic sanctions by neighbouring Tamil Nadu, nor will the tourism sector develop if we are international outcasts. India is one of the largest tourist sending countries to Sri Lanka
    2. The truth will set us free. There needs to be an INDEPENDENT investigation into the rapes and other war crimes shown in the Channel 4 film, as well as, the “credible allegations of war crimes” set out in the UN Report on Sri Lanka’s”. Those who are responsible in the LTTE and the Sri Lanka military need to be punished, but it is unlikely that would happen as long as Gotabaya Rajapakse, a US citizen, is in charge of the Sri Lanka military. That is why we need to find an exit strategy from power for the Rajapakse Brothers.
    3. The UN Secretary General is very popular and has the support of ASIAN countries for a second term and the Sri Lanka government’s attempt to attack him and destroy his reputation has failed. Likewise, Britain’s Channel 4 is a very highly respected TV Chanel in Britain and the rest of the world and Gotabaya Rajapakse’s claim that they took funds from the LTTE to make the film which seeks to cause reputation damage and defames the Channel 4 (much like he tried to defame Mr. Moon) will fail and may be challenged in Court. The Rajapakse’s need to learn to control themselves and their loose talk and not bring further disgrace on this country, since it is the Asian countries that are supporting Mr. Moon and putting him forward for re-appointment as UN Secretary General when his term comes to an end
    4. Until the last stage of the 30 years of war the Sri Lanka military behaved in a fairly disciplined manner and neither party in the conflict committed rape in a systematic fashion (unlike in many other such internal conflicts where rape was committed to humiliate the “other” community). Where there were excesses in Sri Lanka the civilian authorities took the necessary action – until this last stage of war under the Rajapakses. The Crishanthi Coomaraswarmy case shows that the State took action on military excesses. However under the Rajapakse’s command the military have committed rape and other war crimes because the leadership fostered a culture of impunity and immunity and are therefore responsible for the crimes committed.
    5. The Channel 4 film is not against the whole of Sri Lanka, it points a finger at the few people who committed war crimes and their bosses, the Rajapakse Bros. who are militarizing the country to protect themselves from an eventual war crimes trial at the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
    6. We, concerned citizens, the political opposition and civil society need to work together to find a smooth EXIT STRATEGY FROM POWER for the Rajapakses who need to be sent to the Hague and to the United States where they are U.S. Citizens and subject to US jurisdiction — for trial for war crimes. Like the LTTE who became and were a curse on the Tamil people, the Rajapakse Bros. Inc has become a cures on mother Lanka and we need to free ourselves of them!
    7. They claim that the UN Report and the Chanel 4 film spreads racial hatred in Sri Lanka when it is their policies of militarizing, discriminating, oppressing the minorities and civil society that has spread racial hatred. They have also delayed on a political solution and justice delayed is justice denied. Time has run out for the Rajapakse Brothers Inc.’s power run in Lanka!
    8. Finally, the Rajpakse Bros. should also stop finding FAKE experts to deny truths that are self-evident. Rjapakse’s FAKE experts are saying that the overwhelming evidence of war crimes committed in the last stages of the war in Sri Lanka are FAKE. They already have a FAKE Dr. Mervin Silva who is a goon with a fake doctorate in their midst. They insult to the intelligence of Sri Lankan citizens!

    • Bundoora

      Dinu

      100% agreed

  • We know what your extra-judicial means got you the last time; if you’re dumb enough to try again, you’ll get more of the same. For your own sake you should restrain your terrorists before we do it for you.

    • Burning_Issue

      When people resort to extra-judicial measures mean that they have lost all sense of sanity. The Tamil youth of mid 1970’s possessed such a state and perpetuated like a snowball! One can debate the rights and wrongs about taking up arms, but one cannot deny the circumstances that give rise to such a situation. “For your own sake you should restrain your terrorists before we do it for you.” Of course you will do it for the Tamils; there is no doubt about it as you have shown that in deeds, the Tamils are very well aware! However, the point is that, when people lose all sense of sanity, they reach a point of beyond care. The end result is no one benefits; hence, the likes of you pay attention to put things right at your end then the Tamils do not need to resort anything!

  • MV

    Oh boy! Going by many of these comments (which I am pretty sure reflects the mentality of the vast majority in SL), it seems many were unaware that N-E existed for the past 30yrs (1983-2009). It would seem to suggest one that LTTE was the sole perpetrator of violence all these years. For them, it is the LTTE and by extension the Tamil diaspora that is to be resposible – it has nothing to do with post-independent SL politics.

    As Agnos said, none of this is new to many who were at the receiving end of it in the past few decades (several mass graves that dotted the peninsula after its capture in 95 may stand testimony). It is this culture of impunity that culminated in the killingfields of Mullivaikkal.

    Many who backed the same govt are today finding it backfire.

    They say “ignorance is bliss.”

    Ignorance is bliss.

    • yapa

      Dear MV;

      “It would seem to suggest one that LTTE was the sole perpetrator of violence all these years.”

      Do you really think it isn’t? How and why?

      Thanks!

  • MV

    (Sorry a repost of the above comment with a correction.)

    Oh boy! Going by many of these comments (which I am pretty sure reflects the mentality of the vast majority in SL), it seems many were unaware that N-E existed for the past 30yrs (1983-2009). It would seem to suggest one that LTTE was the sole perpetrator of violence all these years. For them, it is the LTTE and by extension the Tamil diaspora that is to be resposible – it has nothing to do with post-independent SL politics.

    As Agnos said, none of this is new to many who were at the receiving end of it in the past few decades (several mass graves that dotted the peninsula after its capture in 95 may stand testimony). It is this culture of impunity that culminated in the killingfields of Mullivaikkal.

    Many who backed the same govt are today finding it backfire.

    They say “ignorance is bliss.”

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      “A thief never admits he is a thief.”

      Not only admit, some thieves are boastful of their thefts.

      I think you have not matured enough yet to understand the realities of life.

      Gradually you will grow to be a woman.

      Thanks!

      • yapa

        Some times they do public exhibitions of their thefts!

        Thanks!

  • jansee

    off the cuff:

    A thief never admits he is a thief. So, expecting the SL regime to investigate the crimes it committed is laughable, knowing the impunity with which the regime acts and conducts (or misconducts) itself. After all Adele did not murder murder more than 40,000 civilians. There is also talk that the photos exhibiting Adele with the LTTE girls is a doctored version produced by the SL regime to implicate her. Well, guys, I can some cue from you people. too. And what makes you think the SL regime leaders are “out of reach”? That’s what guys like Slobodan Milosevic thought but you very well know what happened, don’t you. And, of course, setting foot on some countries could prove disastrous for these leaders. This one finger four finger pointing story does not gravitate for those accused of gross human rights violations. At best, these are nothing but cheap shots. Ulterior motives are all too familiar for and with a regime that lied – lied to draw people to so-called no-fire zones and then bomb them to shreds. Ulterior motive to remove all possible eye-witnesses to escape convictions on murders. I can go and on and on. You guys just have to cut your loss and start telling the regime to hasten the reconciliation and devolution process – not the farce reconciliation and the LLRC that is making its rounds in comedic spasms.

    ravana:

    “C’mon. On this issue “Off the cuff” is dead right”

    Of course, a case of feathers of a bird flocking together. That the evidence against the Rajapaksas is circumstantial is what you say and I am pinching myself hard to see whether the reality equates with fiction. The Germans call Hitler their great hero, and what would surprise me to hear from you that the Rajapaksas are decent people? After all, here is a hero of the century who conducted a humanitarian operation with zero civilian casualties!! Yes,I concur that we have to “move on” but as much as the tears of the Rwandans and others have got into my skull, so are the tears for those who were stripped of their human dignity and murdered so mercileslly, just because two recalcitrant warring parties wanted to even their scores. Tomorrow, if the Sinhalese are going to face the guns, too, then I have it in me to use the same yardstick, as most of us will. Up to you to believe but I am sure of one thing – that the Rajapkasa regime will not be allowed to get away for their crimes.

    • yapa

      Dear Jansee;

      “Up to you to believe but I am sure of one thing – that the Rajapkasa regime will not be allowed to get away for their crimes.”

      There is no guarantee that your “boiling aspirations” will become true. I think you have to put off your kindling rage. I think that is good for your health as well.

      Thanks!

      • jansee

        yapa:

        I am still in the threshold of spring and health had not betrayed me, as yet. Agreed that it may or may not come true but this “may” should not be a hindrance or shall discourage the pursuance of the “boiling aspirations”.

      • yapa

        Dear jansee;

        Ok jansee, we will now stop circumbendibus and will go directly to the topic. Here is your statement,

        “How on earth the SL regime came to the conclusion that the video is a fake?”

        I challenged it. Here how I presented it to you,

        “[How on earth you came to the conclusion that the video is not a fake?

        I think you know the principle, those who assert must prove?

        Can you prove it? I challenge you cannot.

        Shall we try? Are you ready to take your own challenge?]”
        …….

        Now take your opportunity.

        Thanks!

      • yapa

        Dear Jansee;

        “I am still in the threshold of spring and health had not betrayed me, as yet. Agreed that it may or may not come true but this “may” should not be a hindrance or shall discourage the pursuance of the “boiling aspirations”.”

        Possibility of ‘MAY” is very minimal. Please attend to some “productive work”. How about learning to make a pudding, that would help young ladies when they start to run a family, I think you also will have to do it soon as you are in the threshold of spring?

        I very much like giving simple advice to young ladies!

        Thanks, jansee!

    • Off the Cuff

      Jansee,

      Please don’t run with the goal posts.

      The questions are simple though your ideology and Dishonesty does not allow you to answer it.

      Why is the UK Govt harbouring Ms. Adele Balasingham, a leading Elite LTTE terrorist, in the UK, without bringing her to Justice when there is enough evidence to prove that she was directly involved with the Child Soldiers of the LTTE?

      The question is asked because the UK Govt is one of the most ACTIVE govts who want to investigate War and HR crimes in Sri Lanka in the name of Justice.

      Why is the Terrorist Flag waving Tamil Diaspora and others such as you, who support the investigation and prosecution of War and HR Crime violations in the name of Justice SILENT about the UK govt giving REFUGE to a KNOWN TERRORIST who is GUILTY of War crimes, HR crimes and Crimes against Humanity?

      The UK govts behaviour in harbouring a Terrorist is a very loud signal that her interest is not Justice but Revenge. Revenge for the Drubbing Millibank and Co received at the hands of the Lanka Govt and at the UNHRC.

      The Pin drop Silence about Adele who has been photographed in LTTE fatigues proudly presenting the Cyanide Capsule Necklace to CHILDREN and Women Tiger Cadres and who was (and still is) an inner circle Elite of the LTTE Terrorists, clearly shows to the unbiased observer, that the hyper ventilating hype, of people like you, who are screaming and screeching for investigations to bring the criminals to Justice in the name of Justice is not driven by any desire for Justice but by a desire for revenge, due to the frustration of a destroyed Eelam Dream.

      Both the UK Govt and the Diaspora Tamils of your ilk are Prostituting Justice with their two faced conduct.

    • Off the Cuff

      Jansee,

      You say After all Adele did not murder murder more than 40,000 civilians.

      Are you writing from personal knowledge of Adele to be that certain?
      Perhaps you have more information about her than what you are letting on to. To you it is a numbers game is it? What would be the threshold to consider her a Terrorist? 1000, 2000, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 ….what?

      You say “There is also talk that the photos exhibiting Adele with the LTTE girls is a doctored version produced by the SL regime to implicate her”

      Really?

      Well it is available freely on the Internet. How come no one who thinks Adele is INOCENT did not secure and make public proof of authenticity like what they did with the CH4?

      Any Video and Photographic proof about Terrorists like Adele is automatically fake or doctored but anything that deals with the SL govt is automatically authentic.

      What you also fail to notice is that CH4 deals with Low Resolution phone camera Video but evidence against Adele is High Resolution Video Camera work done by the LTTE themselves and Foreign Journalist who visited the Vanni. Identification would therefore be no problem. Probably ABC or BBC would have the originals.

      Your haste in running to Adele’s defence has exposed who you really are.

      Did you receive training from Adele too?

      You say “Well, guys, I can some cue from you people. too. And what makes you think the SL regime leaders are “out of reach”?

      They are out of reach at this moment of time, unlike Adele who is sitting under the nose of the UK Govt. and can if the UK govt so decides be apprehended within moments.

      In contrast at the moment the Leaders of SL are out of reach of UK govt.

      The USA does not recognise the ICJ and is not even a signatory to it. It also has reciprocal arrangements with the SL Govt protecting each others officers from the ICJ.

    • Thambi

      Slobodoc lost the war. Mahinda didn’t. ANd Slobo was also in Europe and wasn’t supported by his neighbors unlike Sri Lanka (i.e. India, Pakistan, Maldives, China et all).

    • ravana

      @ Jansee,

      Regarding Rajapakses; when I say that evidence against them is circumstantial, that is exactly what I mean. That the current evidence is not explicit. What makes you conclude that I like them from that statement! In fact what I am saying is that there is enough evidence to hold them accountable (but not necessarily enough to convict them).

      On the other hand the evidence against Adele Balasingham is irrefutable. You seem to have missed that point. I was suggesting that Adele needs to brought to brook for her crimes which are on videos made by independent journalists.

      If you missed this point either you are going out of your mind or confused!

      Furthermore, “sinhalese” have already faced the guns of GoSL. Either you’ve forgotten/insensitive or are less than 25 years old. I hope you will acquaint yourself with history and be contrite. It is this insensitivity of an older generation of elite Tamils to the plight of ordinary sinhalas which as “Karma” goes has ultimately led to the humiliating defeat of the LTTE but also the great indignities visited upon Tamil people. By that I mean that joining hands with the equally suppressed among the sinhalas might have permitted a different Sri Lankan history. One devoid of abduction and conscription of Tamil children, equation of “Tamil” with “Terrorist suicide bombers” and subjection of the Tamil population to the mercy of heartless Sri Lankan defence personnel.

  • Candidly

    The Channel 4 film seems to be having some interesting side effects in the West. Although most people who watched the film (or part of it if they couldn’t stomach the whole thing) were initially deeply shocked by what they saw, it has made many people inquire further into the Tamil Tigers and the things they did. People already had an idea of what the Sri lankan government did in the final month of the war because it was so recent, but as a result of the Channel 4 film they have begun to look into the history of the Tamil Tigers and they are deeply shocked by what they are finding out.

    Also young Western Tamils are asking: how could our parents have let a gang of criminals & murderers take over our proud Tamil community? Many are finding out for the first time just what a monster their parents & grand-parents original resistance movement morphed into. It seems young Western Sinhalese & Moslems are much more acquainted with the follies of the present & previous Sri Lankan governments.

    Surely the eventual results of this are likely to be good with the young generation realising that they must never allow such situations to occur again in Sri Lanka? All the present leaders of the communities will eventually fall out of favour, or pass away, and a new generation will take over who can do things differently, learning from the follies & mistakes of the past.

    • wijayapala

      Candidly,

      as a result of the Channel 4 film they have begun to look into the history of the Tamil Tigers and they are deeply shocked by what they are finding out.

      Honestly I have a hard time believing that. The LTTE’s misdeeds were only mentioned in passing (“oh by the way, the LTTE were using the civilians as human shields”). I would’ve expected anyone to have tuned it out.

    • yapa

      Silver lining in a dark cloud.

      We must be hopeful. Thanks!

  • wijayapala

    Agnos, again thanks for replying.

    I could see that he was very afraid of Pottu Amman, and some of his public pronouncements that seemed to support the LTTE need to be taken in the context of that fear.

    What gave you that impression? What did Sivaram tell you about Pottu Amman?

    I don’t know what kind of access he had to Karuna whom he seemed to admire at that time as a military man from the East.

    According to Mark Whitaker, Sivaram had a great deal of access until March 2004. He must have known how relations between Karuna and the Wanni had deteriorated but he kept his mouth shut. I suppose that was the essence of being a Tamil nationalist- keeping quiet until the dust settles!

    even though he had no decision-making power, I thought he might be in a position to persuade VP.

    You were wrong. Balakumar joined the LTTE to avoid Sri Sabaratnam and Padmanabha’s fate. Some friends told me that he actually believed that he could outsmart Prabakaran and take over the LTTE! Whatever the case, he became yet another minion rubberstamping everything that the Leader ordered.

    How come you were not aware of any of this?

    As for your question about public criticism of the GoSL—with the LTTE, I had at least a tiny amount of leverage that I had via my social connections in the North-East. I have none with the GoSL;

    Are you saying that you only criticise those with whom you have no social connections?

    • Agnos

      Wijayapala,

      “What gave you that impression? What did Sivaram tell you about Pottu Amman?”

      When I started criticizing the LTTE sharply, Sivaram was hesitant to say anything even when he seemed to agree with some things; it took quite a bit of time for him to tell me that he feared Pottu Amman could be trapping him by people who pretended to be critics of the LTTE but who in fact reported to him. It showed the extent to which everything was measured by loyalty to VP and Pottu Amman.

      “Whatever the case, he became yet another minion rubberstamping everything that the Leader ordered.”

      Since you are a fan of UTHR, you should read what they say about Balakumar. Your friends were not correct in saying Balakumar thought he could outsmart VP. I was in Jaffna for extended periods till 1987/8. Even within EROS, Balakumar was just one of the three at the top who were all considered equal in rank, but he controlled only the political wing; the military wing was controlled by Shankar Rajee. I remember the time when Vasudeva Nanayakkara visited Jaffna and had some discussions with the EROS people; news reports said he had extracted a promise that at a minimum they would not attack civilian targets in the South. Because it was Balakumar who gave that assurance to Nanayakkara, I remember thinking whether their military wing would abide by his promise.

      Balakumar’s pronouncements would make good copy for Jaffna-based Tamil newspapers and the public respected him because he was more educated than other militant leaders. He even said in newspaper interviews that he wasn’t interested in power—that anyone interested in serving the people should not be worried about power. It wasn’t therefore surprising to me that when the LTTE forced other groups to disband or be absorbed, he would not resist the LTTE. I don’t think he ever had the capacity or desire to outsmart VP. It was said initially he was kept without much power within the LTTE but somehow he was said to have gradually earned the trust of VP.
      Anyway, Sivaram was not on good terms with Balasingham, so Balakumar was the next option.

      “Are you saying that you only criticise those with whom you have no social connections?”
      No. I am saying if one has even a little leverage, he/she should first try to use that leverage. There are other reasons: Just as making one post here draws me into making several follow-up posts, going public with criticism, say by writing to newspapers, would draw me into endless debates, abuse, etc. I had been buried in graduate studies and research for years and had no time or energy to do that. So I am not saying public criticism would have been wrong; just that in my situation it didn’t seem as the best option.

      • wijayapala

        Agnos, thank you again for replying. Looking at my initial response, I came across as rather arrogant compared to what you wrote. My apologies.

        It was said initially he was kept without much power within the LTTE but somehow he was said to have gradually earned the trust of VP.

        I’ll take your word about Sivaram, but I’ve heard from too many other people who also were in Jaffna at that time that Balakumar was an opportunist. Perhaps he didn’t have ambitions of supplanting Prabakaran, but I hardly see how he was serving the people by joining the LTTE. How else does one earn the trust of VP, than agreeing with everything the Leader says?

        It’s rather ironic how UTHR wanted to save Balakumar’s life, I doubt he would have risked his “trust” with the Leader to have saved a dissident.

        I am not saying public criticism would have been wrong; just that in my situation it didn’t seem as the best option.

        So how do you view people who similarly argue that publicly criticising the Rajapakshas doesn’t seem to be the “best option?”

  • yapa

    I think despite the mighty finance spent on the marketing plan, the Documentary was not able to penetrate the Sri Lankan market.

    What is the cause? Incompetency of the marketing team or the inferior quality of the product? It could well be be due to the the good standard of awareness of the targeted customer base as well.

    Thanks!

  • jansee

    Off the Cuff

    “Any Video and Photographic proof about Terrorists like Adele is automatically fake or doctored but anything that deals with the SL govt is automatically authentic.”

    Exactly, it goes without saying. After all, is there any credibility left if the SL regime? I do not want to go into the long history that points explicitly the credibility deficit of the SL regime. No civilian casualties, humanitarian operation – isn’t this laughable?

    There is plenty of news, including the UN Panel report that the SL regime had killed more than 40,000 civilians. Show me one report – ok going by yours, that Adele killed even one civilian.

    “Your haste in running to Adele’s defence has exposed who you really are.”

    Really, and let me argue this way – your haste in defending a murderous regime means your hand is very bloodied – may be you are masquerading as a daylight angel but with a horrific and bloodied secret – come on, what makes you think that I can’t pin you down with the same argument?

    What makes you think that they are out of the reach? They better watch their back for fear of getting arrested in a foreign country, and in time to come even their homeland would not provide sanctuary for their atrocities.

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      “Show me one report – ok going by yours, that Adele killed even one civilian.”

      In that case you have already released MR from your allegations, as MR has not killed even a single civilian.

      I think you mean now, no political leadership is accountable for anything happened in the war.

      Good, that is really what we want. Now there is no dispute between us.

      Please give such an agreeable answer to my queries about the video as well.

      Thanks!

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      “They better watch their back for fear of getting arrested in a foreign country, and in time to come even their homeland would not provide sanctuary for their atrocities.”

      You seem to have so many youthful aspirations and wishes. [Edited out]

      Thanks!

    • Off the Cuff

      Jansee,

      Are you seeking Justice or Revenge?
      Hatred or Reconciliation?

      I state what follows with reasons and I hope you are able to prove them wrong.

      I believe you are a wolverine in sheep’s clothing hiding behind words such as Justice, HR violations, War crimes etc.

      I say that because you seek to prosecute KP, Karuna, Pilleyan and the Rajapakse’s but is not willing to push for the prosecution of Ms. Adele Balasingham who created and trained the Female Tigers and the Baby Brigade (a HR violation by itself) many of who ended dead as cannon fodder.

      Adele, Karuna, KP and Pilleyan are all colleagues in arms and are Tiger Terrorists. If you seek Justice, you have no moral ground to excuse and protect one and seek to prosecute the other three. Justice, if sought, cannot be one sided. This is a clear indication that, for you, as long as a terrorist stays within the Tiger Terrorists fold, their HR Violations are not HR violations and their War Crimes are not War Crimes.

      Your objective is furthering the Eelam Dream and to Hell with the consequences. You are not at all interested in the Tamils living in Lanka.

      To the terror flag waving Tamils, the Sri Lanka Tamils were expendable. Pawns in their war games. They ignored the LTTE atrocities perpetrated on its own people. Seven year old kids were sacrificed at the altar of Tamil Eelam. Why? Were they not as precious as the children of the Diaspora? You knew what the LTTE were doing to your own in the Vanni but was either too cowardly to stand against the LTTE or did not care as long as your Eelam Dream could be achieved. This indicates that you are either a Terrorist Sympathiser or one of them.
      Here is a link providing details of a large number of LTTE atrocities
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_the_LTTE

      Adele Ann Wilby (Born 30 January 1950) or Adele Balasingham is the Australian born former leader of the women’s wing of Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam of Sri Lanka. She currently resides in London, UK. (wiki)

      In a 1993 book she praised as an affirmation of women’s liberation the role of the 3000 women Tiger cadres credited with some of the movement’s most deadly attacks, including the suicide bombings that killed the Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi and the Sri Lankan president Ranasinghe Premadasa.

      Mrs Balasingham and her husband were refused visas to visit her family in Australia. They are still thought to be on an Immigration Department watch list.
      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/16/1032054762355.html

      What Adele is, is not in doubt, but yet, the UK Govt provides her and other Terrorist Leaders a safe Haven.

      Under the circumstances, how can one believe, that the UK Govt is interested in Justice? Facts point towards revenge, for the drubbing UK received at the hands of the Lankan leadership? (Milibank affair and UNHRC)

  • jansee

    yapa:

    “[How on earth you came to the conclusion that the video is not a fake?
    I think you know the principle, those who assert must prove?
    Can you prove it? I challenge you cannot.”

    This looks like how a thief in the dock asking the judge that he should be set free because everyone else is lying except he. Sometimes I wonder how hilarious you guys can be. The time for setting terms is over. Didn’t the regime’s reps make a dash to meet the UN Panel despite their explicit ego not to meet them. The bargaining period is slowly running out of time and it would go a long way to prove that the regime is not in wrong or did not commit the alleged atrocities than asking silly questions through mouthpieces like you.

    • yapa

      Dear jansee;

      Right!, right!!, don’t get angry about trivial things. Why not support your pronouncement and answer my questions? It seems you like to go in well paved paths.

      Please go back to your starting point if you cannot now remember what you said at the beginning. Our government is bad, it is true, but it is not relevant to your pronouncement and my questions. Forget about the government and address the issues at hand.

      “Isn’t the video a fake?”

      However, you have already proved that the regime is not in wrong or did not commit the alleged atrocities in your post addressed to Off the Cuff.

      Thanks!

  • yapa

    What does anybody has to say that the video is not something fabricated like “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to take Sri Lanka just as they did to Iraq?

    How much of forged material they used to make ground preparation for the invasion of Iraq? On the basis of their forged material they organized seminars all over the world to teach the people how to act in an attack of WMD. There was a seminar in Colombo as well, and higher officers from armed forces, Police and many other government organizations participated.

    What is the ultimate result of this “well planned conspiracy of the super powers”? Millions of civilian killings with ZERO WMD.

    Plans of vultures’ are beyond the comprehension of fowls. But fowls adore their plans thinking vultures see a broad perspective as they fly high.

    Wasn’t “WMD plan” seemed more authentic than “killing field Plan”? No one should suggest us to jump before we think and scrutinize the “plan”.

    Thanks!

    • BalangodaMan

      Mr Yapa, for someone so passionate about ‘ultimate truths’ you seem equally passionate about suppressing it, since an independent and open internationally recognised inquiry is the only thing that can get at the truth, if the truth is what we want.

      WMD: Surprised at your analogy with Iraq and WMD. I think it is very unlikely that Channel 4 is able to, or wanting to, mount an invasion of SL anytime soon.

      • yapa

        Dear BalangodaMan;

        Don’t make your dislike of me a reason to support terrorists. Enemy’s enemy always is not a friend. It was a wrong proverb made in the west.

        Thanks!

      • Off the Cuff

        I am horrified, not by the old execution video which to me appears staged and has an unprovable location (could even be Tamil Nadu), but by the horrific pictures of naked LTTE women.

        That said, the CH4 50 minute documentary is unique as I could not observe a SINGLE LTTE CADRE IN LTTE UNIFORM within the Hospital precincts or outside. If there were any it escaped my attention. Haw many can you count and at what locations?

  • I as a Sinhalese who saw how under President Premadasa JVP Sinhalese youth were killed ruthlessly and their dead bodies burnt. When I wrote to the Island I was given a warning by one one of his close friends not to wrtie such stuff and support the JVP.
    So I am not surprised that our soldiers carried out such brutal and shameless things against the Tamil youth. Religion to the Sinhalese is a sham and they will murder even ther parents despite worshiping them on ceremonial occasions. But the Hindu Buddhist traditons contained such humanitarian values as not to use poisoned arrows against the enemy, not to kill those who surrender and not to kill non-combatants. these are the essentials involved and they seem to have been brazenly violated by our soldiers. The whole nation will have to pay the price for electing a ruler who does not care for humanitarian vaues. The Sinhalese peasant thinks that the old folk saying that any peasant whose mud is washed off is suitable to rule. So they elect men like them whereas the wise Greeks thought a ruler must be a philosopher.

    • yapa

      Dear Realist;

      Realist seems to have become unrealistic, arriving at conclusions on speculations without good reasons.

      I think realism in Sinhala is “Yathartha vadaya”, isn’t it so realist? How much close “mere speculations” to realism, realist?

      Thanks!

    • yapa

      Dear Realist;

      DEFINITION OF REALISM,is given below for your information please.

      realism n. An inclination toward literal truth and pragmatism.

      Thanks!

    • BalangodaMan

      Mr Yapa, Realist makes a good point. Which is ‘they did it once, so it is no surprise if they did it again’ and I would say, in 2009 these were circumstances that were much more inviting than in 1989.

      Mr Yapa, it may be better to address the point, rather than attack the person making it, no?

  • ravana

    @ Agnos,
    “I am not targeting Sinhalese as a group. I am simply saying that those who adopt the knee-jerk “deny, deny, deny” approach to allegations of SLA brutality and war crimes, especially the Sinhalese-nationalist establishment, are tarnishing Sinhalese themselves as a group. For what it is worth, I have a few Sinhalese relatives on my wife’s side, had many Sinhalese friends at Peradeniya and some of my closest Tamil friends in Australia are married to Sinhalese ladies. However, when it comes to political and human rights issues, I will tell the truth as I see it.”

    No worries mate! Good on you. Perhaps we will cross paths one day.

  • myil selvan

    “We know what your extra-judicial means got you the last time; if you’re dumb enough to try again, you’ll get more of the same. For your own sake you should restrain your terrorists before we do it for you.”

    Easy there, easy.

    [Edited out.]

    [Myil, please refrain from making ad hominem commments. This is your last warning. Thank you. GV]

    • [Myil’s comment has been edited. GV]

      What did you desert, Myil; your conscience?

  • Maddie

    I have written my own piece about the documentary, if you have the time please check it out and leave a comment.
    http://pickupyourquill.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/sri-lankas-killing-fields-war-crimes-unpunished/