An open letter to the Remote Control Diaspora

Note: Contrary to what you might assume from the title, this is not a general onslaught on the diaspora at large. This is based on two recent incidents that really ‘got my goat,’ in a matter of speaking. Therefore, I’d like any readers who’d fall into the bracket of the ‘diaspora’ to please take the contents of this letter in that context, and not as an attack on anyone who’s ever stepped off the shores of sunny Lanka. Also, I’d like to add that I have absolutely no political affiliation or agenda to achieve by writing this. It was just two pieces of news that really got to me, so I just had to write this. That’s it.

Dear RCD,

I was having a meal at home recently when I heard this piece of news repeated on the radio.

“…two men caught while trying to buy missiles and hundreds of AK-47 automatics rifles for the now routed Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka were jailed for 14 to 26 years by a US court. Sathajhan Sarachandran and Nadarasa Yogarasa were sentenced to 26 and 14 years in prison respectively for attempting to purchase $1 million worth of high-powered weaponry for the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).”

Now you might wonder what about this piece of news warranted me to get so rattled up about the sentencing recently of two men arrested in 2008?

I’m not too sure if you’ve realized that it’s been just nine months or so since the conclusion of one of the longest, bloodiest and most futile wars of recent times. A war my generation was in fact born into. A war that brutally cost too many lives, limbs and property to even begin speaking of. But, I’m sure you already know all this. So, let me then perhaps draw your attention to a few crucial details that you don’t seem to have, or rather, conveniently seem not to have addressed.

Messrs. Sathajhan Sarachandran and Nadarasa Yogarasa (although you both are potentially lying in a prison cell right now, I’m assuming you have friends or family who might see this), I’d like to pose one question to you both. At the point of attempting to purchase these weapons, did either of you plann on following these weapons back to Sri Lanka? Did you each take the decision to return to Sri Lanka, along with your friends and family to fight for your “cause”? (The very same cause that ironically enough, has now wound you both in prison for a good part of your lives.) Or were you merely doing some of the ‘legwork’ in support of some organisation, that would in turn ship these weapons to Sri Lanka to further maim and kill people who’ve seen enough blood and gore? Did either of you ever question this reality?

Did you for one minute think about the people who would actually have to fight this war you’re helping to re-start? Did you ponder for a moment on what the last 30 years of war has actually achieved? Have you realized that the Tamil community here are as badly off, if not worse off, than they were 30 years ago?  Did either of you give pause to think about the consequences of your actions?

The next bit of absurd news was actually a message I got on Facebook.

“Act Now believes the Sri Lankan Tamil people deserve the right to self determination especially after the atrocities which have been inflicted upon them during the recent years. We believe that letting the Sri Lankan Government govern the Tamil people would be equivalent to letting the Germans govern the Jews after the Second World War.

This weekend the 30th and 31st January there is a referendum organised by the Tamil National Council being held for the Tamil Diaspora in the U.K. Similar votes have already taken place in France, Norway, Switzerland, Holland, Germany and Canada.”- http://www.vkr1976.org.uk/pollstations.html

A referendum being held for Tamils across the world to vote on whether or not there should be an Eelam in Sri Lanka? And France, Norway, Switzerland, Holland, Germany and Canada have already cast their votes. What I’m really curious to know is what do you hope to do with the results of this referendum, and how do they propose to achieve this ‘self-determination’ you speak of? Most importantly though, what percentage of your vote base is actually willing to anything more than cast their vote? Who will have to bear the brunt of these referendums and futile efforts? You, the Tiger-flag-waving diaspora, or “your people” over here?

I’m not talking off the cuff here. I’ve met, spoken with and most of all seen the immense suffering of the people affected by war. The very same people you and your organisations ‘claim’ to represent. One would think diasporic organisations were better informed of the enduring plight of people on the ground. I guess not, because the people want to just ‘live’ a normal life again, and not be part of any more violence, trauma and suffering. So tell me, does this sound like people who want to, or should be made to lose anything more?

Reality Check. The only solution has to, and will be a political one. That, if at all, is the long overdue space where the diaspora can step up and intervene constructively. Unfortunately though, that option doesn’t seem to hold as much appeal, or seem as “marketable” as the idea of collecting funds to buy arms to send back to Sri Lanka, a country few in the diaspora have any intention of returning to live in. Received memories and M.I.A.’s nonsensical statements have no bearing on what it is like in post-war Sri Lanka.

Let’s just cut the crap. If you genuinely care about “your people”, contribute in a way that actually makes sense. Or if you don’t care, please, just carry on with your lives and let us be. Your help is no help at all. We must be the engineers of hope and peace. Diaspora that tragically thinks purchasing weapons and conducting referenda for Eelam have no place in our future.

Yours sincerely,

Marisa de Silva

  • http://www.groundviews.org Sam Thambipillai

    Tamil Diaspora is having referendum primarily, to democratically allow Tamils to decide on Vaddukoddai resolution of 1976.

    Tamils in exile, by about 99.5% votes, have expressed clearly that even after 34 years they stand on that demand unanimously. To dispute that truth is unwise. The GOSL must allow them – not grant- to have that right of slf determination and self governance before it is done by the UN.

    Surely, the anti-Tamilism of the Sinhalese are more powerful than pragmatism.

    The only pragmatic solution now is, mutual co-existence of the countries of Tamil Eeelam and Sri Lanka in the island.

  • Ponna-Seka

    The Diaspora so engrossed in carving out a piece of Sri Lanka first should give an undertaking that they are prepared to return to Sri Lanka for good, if such requests are to be seriously considered. What does it matter of their opinion if they are residents of another country, wanting to have one leg in another? The governments of these countries also should make it binding, if they were to intervene on behalf of these exiled Tamils, they should be prepared to go back home in the event such a ‘Ealam’ is established. There is no point in harping from other countries and disturbing the peace of Tamils who live in harmony with the majority for centuries.

  • Dayan Jayatilleka

    Way to go Marisa! As you proved with your article on the callous drowning of that Tamil boy in the waters off a Colombo copshop, you tell it like it is!

    • Afraid of Death

      Marisa de Silva:
      Let me take you up on one statement you have made and it is NOT being done out of context: “The only solution has to, and will be a political one” Pray tell what has transpired since, in the opinion of the government and many other people both here and abroad, the LTTE has ceased to exist. HAS THERE BEEN THE SEMBLANCE OF ACCOMMODATING THE TAMILS IN ANY WAY? The only thing worse than chauvinistic racism are utterances that try to come across as “holier than thou.”

      The fact that Dayan Jayatilleka has welcomed what you have to say only confirms the REAL content of your presentation!

  • Travelling Academic

    Why should the term diaspora refer only to the jokers who are the subject of this article? Recently on a train journey between Kandy and Colombo, I met a very interesting guy — expatriate ethnic Tamil, now settled in London. The chap is an expert in medical instrumentation and was in SL setting up a sophisticated piece of equipment at a teaching hospital, and to train the staff in its calibration and usage. He wasn’t being paid for it, from what I gathered — just in a “helping out” mode. I like to think HE is the diaspora. Ignore the flag-wavers and work with the likes of him, of which I know there are many; they don’t shout a lot, so we don’t get to hear a lot about them. There is a window of opportunity now to tap into such talent in a systematic way — if only we are a bit smart about it!

  • http://www.worldclasstamil.com Subramaniam Masilamany

    Hello Marisa, No time to waste, hence no time to edit and correct

    Either you are not a free pesron or you don’t know what freedom is. Secondly,
    What makes you to think the struggle is over? Wait for just one year and we will see the outcome, either the there will be absolute peace and freedom of choice or total disorder. I cannot predict how the events will manifest but it will. Our struggle started in 1958 and today after 60 years we have got the United Nations involved, it took us 60 years, freedom is not what you buy at drive in hamburgher shops, it is a process of massive sacrifice and work. There is no substitute for freedom or the only substitute is death. So these young men in prison may be the next people to do the leg work. You are not a Tamil, to be Tamil takes continous forging in the furnace of nature. We came 25 years ago and one of us became 559 richest man in the world.There are more on the way.
    Next struggle will be quite different and decisive. The Singhalese people have one choice, make the country equitable and see the scintillating performance.
    Come to Toronto on my invitation and I take you to places you will wonder what hell have the Singhalese people done to this community of wise and wonderful.
    Your leaders are running out of options you don’t know that. The bank managers welcome us with open hands and smiling faces.Why? ask them they will tell you who we are and what we are capable of, we are funding educational and enterpreneurial programmes without a government. We are producing 15,000 university garduates per year. These statistics you may not have heard of but today. We are not at the level of the singhalese people any more we are worldclass people living with worldclass people doing worldclass things not barbarinism.Just be careful what you write.
    My name is Subramaniam Masilamany, I am refugee from Sorry Lanka.

  • Dhiraj

    Marisa, I have been living outside Sri Lanka for a few years. What I have learnt in that period of time is that the Tamil diaspora harbours a chip on their shoulders that would dwarf the himalayas. If you thought the Sinhala diaspora were extremists, well then you will be absolutely gob smacked by the racism, vitriol, and ignorance displaced by the Tamil diaspora. I am not exaggerating. Diaspora Sinhalese parents tend to shield their children from the ugly politics of SL but Tamil kids as young as 5 are encouraged to dance to political songs about “thalaivar” Prabhakaran, and attend Hero’s Day ceremonies, make plays about persecution and LTTE ‘heroism’ – kids who have never set foot on SL soil and have known nothing but their host countries. The result is a generation of young Tamils who have been brought up on hate, who are totally clueless about SL, and are fed racism by their Tamil parents and LTTE propagandists. So it is little wonder that many of them engage in criminal acts, and end up supporting terrorism.

    Three more diaspora Tamils sentenced – this time in Australia:

    Trio sent $1m to Tamil fighters

    Aruran Vinayagamoorthy, Arumugan Rajeevan and Sivarajah Yathavan have each pleaded guilty in the Victorian Supreme Court to one count of making money available to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), or Tamil Tigers, a proscribed organisation under the UN charter

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/trio-sent-1m-to-tamil-fighters/story-e6frg6nf-1225826099284

    I’m glad you are in Sri Lanka, but if your article gets around do not be surprised if they start a hate campaign against you on facebook and elsewhere online.

  • TheTruth

    Sam, those are ridiculous numbers. The vast majority of Tamil people I know in the GTA — and London, for that matter — did not participate in the ‘referendum.’ 99.5%? There are by many estimates about 200,000 to 250,000 Tamil people in the GTA alone. Were there really 190,000+ valid votes counted? If you’re going to lie, at least come up with a feasible number.
    And how many of those living in western countries consider themselves to be in ‘exile’? How many people would trade their Canadian and British passports/citizenships for life in this magical hypothetical Eelam, where your leaders won’t let you vote (see: 2005 elections), don’t allow vocal dissent, stifle the free press, murder and maim their political opposition, terrorize their own people, etc. etc. etc.? Shit, if I wanted that, I would just move to Colombo.

    Referring to the topic of remote control diasporas — the framework through which the diaspora is viewed is problematic. Take for example, the Toronto protests from last year: even if one were to believe the organizers’ absurd claims of 80,000 thousand people present — though most 3rd party observers, the police and major press estimates estimate it was only a quarter of that, at its highest — that still leaves an OVERWHEMING MAJORITY who chose not to participate. What you have is a very loud and vocal minority, and nothing else.

  • richard

    Even if 100% of Tamils voted yes to serve themselves four times as much land per capita as they were prepared to concede to the Sinhalese, how likely is it that the Sinhalese would roll over and hand it over to them?

    The main fault with the Vaddukoddai resolution is its assertion that only Tamils have land rights in Sri Lanka. They want to take 35% of the land for their now less than 12% minority and expect the rest to crawl into whats left so Tamils can have their lebensraum! They are then surprised that 99% of Sinhalese are opposed to this Eelam land grab/claim!

  • jayathilaka

    advocating a tamil eelam by Tamila diaspora in exile is just like a learnig to swim by post.which willl never be sucessful.

  • Marisa de Silva

    @Travelling Academic – I never said Diaspora = those referred to in my article. I, very specifically have said that I’m addressing a mere segment of the Diaspora. As you rightly pointed out and on plenty of other instances, the Diaspora has been of immense help by way of voicing things we can’t speak of here for obvious reasons, and by means of financial and other material aid to those affected by the war. By NO means am I branding the whole of the Diaspora under one umbrella. I have been very specific about the group I’m referring to.

    @Subramaniam Masilamany – I don’t know about my being a “free” person but, you sure sound like a racist to me. You obviously haven’t comprehended what I was trying to communicate via my article and I may not be a Tamil but, you don’t have to be a Tamil to know right from wrong, especially when it’s as plain as day, like it is here. As for all the other stats you’ve given me, I’m afraid it’s none of my concern and I have little interest in it cos’ it has nothing to do with what I’m referring to.

    @Dhiraj – As much as you’re speaking from experience, I think it’s unfair to generalize the Tamil Diaspora at large. Part of both the Diaspora have their share of “extremists,” that unfortunately taint everyone in the process.

  • Rukshan

    Marisa, your article would have been of great substance, had you not restricted the diaspora to Tamils only. Are you aware of the large number of Sinhalese Buddhists Chauvinist living abroad, who are constantly harnessing racism & hatred. These Sinhalese have left the shores of mother Lanka, as it did not offer any hope to them or were selfish enough to abandon it for their own desires and aspirations.

    These so called diaspora do not enjoy the same levels of acceptance in those societies or are either sidelined due to their skin colour. These factors prompt them to divert their attention on their country of birth & make unreasonable judgment about what happens or what does not happen.

    Take for instance journalist Mr. H L D Mahindapala who writes under the pen name Lanka Puthra. This man is a down right racist, who thinks that Sinhala Buddhists are the most sacred & most revered people on earth. HLD is married to a Tamil & patronizes Tamils in a big way, in his country of residence. Most of HLD’s friends are Tamils but the selfish man goes on insulting the tamil race or politicians whom he considers as aligned towards tamils. Why does he indulge in this type of criticism? The answer is very simple. He thrives on getting invited to spend a free vacation in Sri Lanka or to visit other countries & talk on behalf of the present government. All this, with the complements of those, like him, who are promoting racial & religious disharmony in Sri Lanka.

    So you see, your presumption of the remote control diaspora, should not be restricted only to the Expat Tamils, but to Sinhalese as well.

  • Dhiraj

    I agree with richard. I don’t understand how claiming about 30% the land mass and 60% of the coastline of Sri Lanka for less than 8% of the population is justifiable. If the Tamil diaspora spends half the money they spent on the LTTE on poor Tamil folk in the north and east of the island they would be doing their brethren a huge favour. But apparently spending money to promote racism, hatred and violence is more important for a lot of diaspora Tamils.

  • yapa

    Dear Sam Thambipillai;

    This is what you have said;

    “Tamil Diaspora is having referendum primarily, to democratically allow Tamils to decide on Vaddukoddai resolution of 1976.

    Tamils in exile, by about 99.5% votes, have expressed clearly that even after 34 years they stand on that demand unanimously. To dispute that truth is unwise. The GOSL must allow them – not grant- to have that right of slf determination and self governance before it is done by the UN.”
    ………………………………….

    Do you think this is a mandate for self determination of Tamils(if you talked more frankly for a Tamil Eelam)?

    Think of the following situations;

    Say Sinhalese of this country are offered a plain tea a day, free of charge for a referendum. I am sure the votes “for”, will not be less than your figure of 99.5%. Again consider Tamil diaspora is offered a “Wadai” a day free of charge for another referendum. Will the votes “for” be less than 99.5%?
    Does this say these are justifiable offers?

    What a crafty way of holding referendums?

    Same way you all can hold referendums in UK, USA, Canada, France, Malysia, Singapore, Australia and all other countries which have Tamil diasporas to get the mandate for a self determination of Tamils. Here also they will never fail to give you 99.5% or over.

    Dear Thambipillai;

    What is this dishonesty? There is a saying in Sinhala “Horage Ammagen Pena Ahanawa Vage”. When you ask about a thief from his mother, she will never fail to tell all the good qualities of his son. Next time please ask from his father.

    Thanks!

  • Marisa de Silva

    @Rukshan, I completely agree with you about the Sinhala Diaspora but, it was just too much to take on in the same article as it’s 2 separate points. I should take it up in my next piece though, thanks!

  • Shaad

    Absolutely loved your article Marissa!

  • Sinhala_Voice

    The future of Sri Lankan state SHOULD only be decided by Sri Lankan Citizens that are either living in Sri Lanka or outside Sri Lanka.

    If you are a citizen of another country then forget about Sri Lanka and live your life well in the country that you are domiciled in.

    If you can help PEACEFUL, NON-CONFLICT Creating , NON-POLITICAL activities then by ALL means do so and agitate if you can not do so.

    But please do not spread hatred, ill-will, false propaganda based on ideas of some superiority.

    NOBODY HOLDS A MORAL HIGH GROUND. MORALITY IS AN INDIVIDUAL THING.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dogs piss everywhere, marking territories assuming their own; just like Tamil Diaspora. The men who walk the dogs let dogs shit in a public places where it is not allowed is an offence unless they clean the shit themselves, just like Western states letting Diaspora to vote for an Eelam referendum committing an illegal act, harming soverneity of another state, violating UN treaty and abusing democracy.

    Those western legislators are smart in manupilating things, they are messing entire world. Those days, when LTTE was taking last breath they tried to give oxygen by letting millions of protesters wagging flags of a terrorist organization backed by mass media propaganda. Then they use those protests as an excuse to influence GOSL to stop war by sending school boys like Miliband to Sri Lanka to teach human rights while they butchered hundreds thousands of Iraqis during illegal Iraqi invasion.

    Now they will try and use these result of this referendum to influence GOSL.

    If they gave asylum to people who said cant live in Sri Lanka because of discrimination they are suppose to be a integrated into those civil societies and should not have any interest in Sri Lanka, behalf they do for betterment and unity of Sri Lanka. They, themselves made a choice of their future. You cant have one feet in London and one in Colombo.

    Eelam is a lost revolution. it took many lives, futures, education, prosperity of a nation. Now it is an opprtunity to give a better future for future generations (Thanks to MR, SF, Gota, Dayan, Rajiva and other patriots’ brilliant works).

    Even the referendum TURNS 100% there is No Eelam in Sri Lanka!

    Thambipillai, Eealm is not pragmatic it is rather a fairy tale!

    The solution to Tamil Aspirations is NOT dividing the land, BUT integrating, connecting hearts and minds of the people and learning languages and cultures. Same as those diasporas do in their new homelands, the second or the third mother land.

    In general, do not use incidents to fuel racism and misinterprit the core of the problem!

    NoEalamInSL

  • KARUNA

    Dear Silva, its interesting that people like you never raise your voice about the continues discrimination of Tamils by the Sinhale government in Sri Lanka.

    How many Sinhala leaders have continued to cheat the Tamils promissing a political solution for the last 50+ years. How come they never are implemented?

    Look at the Joker Mahinda Rajapakshe who said he will impliment 13+ if he wins the election and yesterday he said he will consider a political solution for Tamils after the next general election. How can the Tamils trust political cheats like Mahinda Rajapakshe who want to be elected to make their family richer.

  • Lie Detector

    Marisa,

    Good one! You almost had me convinced.

  • Marisa de Silva

    @KARUNA – “Dear Silva, its interesting that people like you never raise your voice about the continues discrimination of Tamils by the Sinhale government in Sri Lanka.”

    Where have I said anything abt the SL Govt keeping their promises???? Please don’t randomly assume things. I’ve said the only plausible solution is a Political one. I never said we’re anywhere close to achieving it, but, if the Diaspora would like to intervene, that would be a good place to start is all I’ve said.

  • Travelling Academic

    Marisa,
    Agree I am shooting from the hip; you do define your target of criticism precisely in the essay — my apologies.

  • Observer

    Just keep in mind that people who voted in these “referendums” are not even Sri Lankan citizens anymore. What I got out of that referendum is that there are now a bunch of UK citizens that are wanting a piece of Sri Lanka. Technically that’s the deal isn’t it? Now if that is your ultimate desire, what you should do in that case, is to appeal to your government and lobby them to send troops to Sri Lanka for a war. If British citizens have a desire to claim a piece of Sri Lanka then they should convince a majority of fellow British citizens to justify a war in order to achieve the objectives.

    Unfortunately majority of other British citizens think the biggest threat to their nation emanates from place like Iraq & Afghanistan. As patriotic Britons you [referendum guys] should join your army and defend your mother land, the land you have given your oath now to defend to death instead of indulging in these fad referendums. Forget Sri Lanka, at least show allegiance to your new mother land and fight in Iraq & Afghanistan. You owe her that much you ungrateful lot!

  • Observer

    A legitimate referendum is one that reflects the will of the entire nation, not just a sub group. If you just pick all the ‘nay’ sayers or the ‘yay’ sayers and have a referendum, it’s not really a referendum is it? On top of it, the recent UK referendum should ask for the eelam in UK since it’s voted for by UK citizens. And get all the British people to have a say in it as well.

  • Observer

    Hello Marisa, No time to waste, hence no time to edit and correct
    Either you are not a free pesron or you don’t know what freedom is. Secondly,
    What makes you to think the struggle is over?

    What makes you think our struggle is over? We shall be forever vigilant.

    Wait for just one year and we will see the outcome, either the there will be absolute peace and freedom of choice or total disorder.

    Disorder that will be squashed just like last time. If you think the LTTE or any other racist acronym will ever be given an opportunity to lift their heads, then you have not gauged you’re adversary well.

    I cannot predict how the events will manifest but it will.

    Talk is cheap and we are curious, so bring it ON!

    Our struggle started in 1958 and today after 60 years we have got the United Nations involved, it took us 60 years, freedom is not what you buy at drive in hamburgher shops, it is a process of massive sacrifice and work. There is no substitute for freedom or the only substitute is death.

    Freedom is a state of mind. It can be acquired even if you’re chained in solitary confinement. Clearly you have no idea of how to find true freedom. Those clouds of hatred are eating you away, taking you even further away from “freedom”.

    So these young men in prison may be the next people to do the leg work. You are not a Tamil, to be Tamil takes continous forging in the furnace of nature. We came 25 years ago and one of us became 559 richest man in the world.There are more on the way.

    Yes he also got done for insider trading? You shouldn’t brag about cheating.

    Next struggle will be quite different and decisive. The Singhalese people have one choice, make the country equitable and see the scintillating performance.

    Country is and will be equitable, have no doubts about that!

    Come to Toronto on my invitation and I take you to places you will wonder what hell have the Singhalese people done to this community of wise and wonderful.

    It is self inflicted. Victim card is for weak cry babies.

    Your leaders are running out of options you don’t know that. The bank managers welcome us with open hands and smiling faces.Why? ask them they will tell you who we are and what we are capable of, we are funding educational and enterpreneurial programmes without a government. We are producing 15,000 university garduates per year. These statistics you may not have heard of but today.

    I am proud of those achievements. Just don’t use those riches to hire contract killers to kill our relatives. That blood will never wash away and your sins will catch up.

    We are not at the level of the singhalese people any more we are worldclass people living with worldclass people doing worldclass things not barbarinism.

    Well if not barbarians, why the habit of getting busted for procuring weapons? Sounds to me like world class war lords! FBI vouches for that!

    Just be careful what you write.

    Hollow threats don’t scare people.

    My name is Subramaniam Masilamany, I am refugee from Sorry Lanka.

    Yes you still haven’t moved on from your refugee mentality. PITY!!

  • Observer

    jayathialaka, not only that they don;t understand the greater complexity. eelam in sri lanka will have a domino effect on india, singapore, malaysia and other places where there are tamil population. they dont realise to get eelam they will have to battle all of them not just sri lanka. now even majority canada is aligning with non eelam movement because their tamil population is becoming aggressive. all these countries are opposed to eelam. just a reality check!

  • Ashley Leah

    Dear Marisa,

    I just returned from the Northern Province as probably one of the first American tourists to visit the area since the war’s end. (My marriage to a Sri Lankan citizen allowed me access that would otherwise have been forbidden to a foreigner without special military clearance.)

    As an American I can’t pretend to know what it is like to be Sri Lankan of any ethnicity. I read books, I read news, I read everything I can but there are so many accusations, lies, rumors, and other falsifications that I can’t distinguish the truth. Nor do I think anyone here can.

    However, what I can tell you is definitely true is that the people I met in the Northern Province spoke about how scared they were of the fighting starting again. Their children are dead, they are old to be caring for their grandchildren, and they all have nothing, except what the government has given them (some food, water, tents, school uniforms, and very little else). They desperately want to feel safe. (Incidentally I can’t speak for LTTE cadres as I would not know who they are, but Sri Lankan soldiers are also frightened and relieved to be alive.)

    I agree with you wholeheartedly that it is a bloody shame that Sri Lankans living abroad are all “activists” about this war from their safe havens in the US/UK/Canada/Australia/etc. while it is the Tamil civilians, and GOSL/LTTE soldiers back here that suffer.

    Kudos to you for drawing attention to this issue,
    Ashley

  • Davidson Panabokke

    1.I have been visiting the Western countries meeting Tamils and Sinhalese a lot.
    2.There are Sinhalese kids as well as Tamil kids dripping with racism in European and North American countries.
    3.Tamil diaspora buying weapons is utterly wrong. But that must be seen in the context of what the Sri Lankan governments have been doing.
    4.Tamil diaspora having any referenda is very silly. But what has been happening in Sri Lanka is the cause.
    5.We have done too many wrongs to the Tamils that they are all making too many wrong moves now. Cumulative effect of wrong stimuli and cumulative effect of wrong reponses and the cumulative effect of interaction of worng stimuli and responses for 62 years !!!!!!!!!!!!

    To do the best thing under the present circumstances ???????????

    Agreeing with someone’s ideas from this website –

    1.Let us do the most important thing first: look at the Sinhalese textbooks produced by the Department of Education in secondary schools and remove all hatemongering.
    2.Then let us do the second most important thing: send representatives from all parts of the South to all parts of Northeast to see the differences(burrowing someone’s idea from this website – agreeing with that person).
    3. That depends on the observation in 2.

  • punitham

    davidson

    ditto.

  • justitia

    “……………The only solution has to be a political one ………………………………………”
    Political “solutions” have been proposed from Banda-Chelva Pact onwards until the present day All Party Representative Committee proposals. But none were implemented.The APRC, now everyone realises, was a time buying exercise, and its final decision was vetoed by the president, who now says that he will give ‘his own solution’ whatever that means. I think that he will take another six years to ‘give’ it, if at all.
    Never mind all this. What tamils want are basic freedoms and rights to live as equal citizens.
    The want to live without the fear of arbitary arrest and detention even when they are not guilty of any crime. But now all tamils have to prove every minute of every day that they had no LTTE connections.They want to live in their homes from which they were evicted by the army, and displaced by the conflict, as now the war is over. All of them wish to be regstered as voters.They wish to pursue their own lives and livelihoods without restrictions. They wish to be able to go abroad without being arrested at the airport.They wish to be able to correspond with the government in tamil,if they do not know sinhala or english.They wish to make written complaints in tamil at police stations.They wish to educate their children in tamil and english.They wish to be able to travel anywhere in the island without fear of arrest, being made to ‘disappear’, being assaulted, or being killed. They do not wish arrest and detention for months and years without benig indicted in courts.Those who are incarcerated wish release if not indicted within 9 to 12 months. Those who return frm india where they went as refugees, wish to resettle in their homes they left earlier, without being arrested and detained.They wish equal opportunities to compete for employment.They wish to retain old place names without these being ‘sinhalicised’.
    Are all this too much to ask? Are not these the basics of democracy?
    All these are not “concessions”,as some people call them.They are the birthrights of tamils.

  • TheTruth

    Davidson is spot on

  • HKJ

    Dear Marisa de Silva,

    Did you read the news story fully? I do not understand why you say “re-start” the war… I think you have been naive in assuming that these people who were arrested were arrested quite recently… If you read further down it says

    “The US Attorney’s Office of the Eastern District of New York said Aug 19, 2006 that Sarachandran, Yogarasa and two co-defendants were arrested on Long Island after engaging in negotiations with an undercover Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent.”

    :)

  • jansee

    Marisa:

    The war claimed many innocent lives, mostly through the rampant bombing. How you could have missed that (or did not have it in your wavelength) is predictable. To the majority of the Singhalese, these lost lives are just statistics and whatever happened to the conscience of a nation. Isn’t it hilarious that your radar seem to have detected something very far off but failed to capture these atrocities close to home. Even while you are chiding some in the diaspora, the Tamils of the North and East voted mostly against MR. May be instead of going after the diasporas you should strive harder to educate the Singhalese to see how the regime they voted in massacred innocent civilians.

    “Did you for one minute think about the people who would actually have to fight this war you’re helping to re-start? Did you ponder for a moment on what the last 30 years of war has actually achieved? Have you realized that the Tamil community here are as badly off, if not worse off, than they were 30 years ago? Did either of you give pause to think about the consequences of your actions?”

    Ok, I get the drift. Promise them that they will be looked after and when the IDPs cross over to the govt side, cage them with guns pointed at them. It is because that this trust was lacking and the honest belief that the Singhalese regime would forever remain as liars with no commitment to decency and honour agreements that the Tamils took to arms. Whatever happened to the APRC? Each time we just get fooled with all those false hopes and promises. Do we need another hundred years to understand what really runs in the majority of the Singhalese veins? Come on Marisa, please go and lecture your president – that will do more good than turning your frustration on the diasporas.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dear Marisa,

    I think your letter is timely. There have been many anti-sri lanka campaigns pops up every day ever since war against LTTE was over. Those who determined to carve out Sri Lanka have inceased their pace on cyber space. I see a lot of videos by both individuals and politians.

    To give some examples UK labour party politian speaking against Sri Lanka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6LUhMyowF0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovPC9_mmzfk articles published by both pro-LTTE European politians and Tamil Diaspora to boycott Sri Lankan products http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLg1986AL_Y to bankrupt Sri Lankan economy. The campaigns are supported by EU, EU has decided to suspend GSP http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/srilanka-trade.2k4. All these origined from pro-LTTE fronts; Tamil Diaspora and European back yards.

    What they not realize is that they are letting poor people of Sri Lanka including Tamils to suffer while they live in heavens of WEST. The rich Tamil Diaspora and rich West Europeans want us to dump poor people by calling people to boycott Sri Lankan products and by freezoing developig aids to Sri Lanka.

    They donated millions of euros to buy weapons to kill people, now they want the poor to starve to death. This is what they call solidarity. Those Tamil civilians have just started decent lives. Government has liberated them from LTTE cruelty who lived 30yrs under the feet of a dictator called Prabakaran. When are these bird-brains going to realize that these immoral causes who ever produce these false, anti-Sri Lanka propaganda harm only the poor? One who respects humanity would not let the poor to suffer. Friends in need are friends indeedI

    NoEalamInSL

  • Marisa de Silva

    @Justitia – I couldn’t agree with you more and no, none of what you mentioned is too much to ask for. But, if not a political resolve to all of what you mentioned, then what?

    @HKJ – My attention was drawn to that point and yes it was an oversight on my part. The essence of what I’m saying though still stands true. The Diaspora needs to intervene in a constructive, productive manner or not at all, is all I’m saying. Of course it’s but my personal opinion, they can of course do as they wish if they it coming to any good. Tnx for pointing it out though.

  • Marisa de Silva

    @Jansee – As we don’t know each other, please let’s not make assumptions about each other. You have no idea what my opinion is of our incumbent so might I request you not to assume. This is just one piece of writing you’ve seen obviously. I have and will continue to write about my sentiments about MR and his regime. I did not vote him in the first time and I didn’t do it the next time around either. So please don’t tell me about the atrocities of the Govt cos’ I’m afraid you’d be preaching to the converted. However, irrespective of who the real villains are, my sentiments against starting up another war and it’s impact on the war affected I’ve met, remains the same. I don’t want it, they sure as hell don’t seem to want it so, we must come up with an alternate way. It’s no point belly aching about the regime, we have to ensure that it is held accountable to it’s people and provides for all of it’s people and their rights equally. There is such a thing as civic responsibility I believe, and I think it’s bloody high time we started exercising it!

    • Afraid of Death

      “It’s no point belly aching about the regime, we have to ensure that it is held accountable to it’s people and provides for all of it’s people and their rights equally. There is such a thing as civic responsibility I believe, and I think it’s bloody high time we started exercising it!’

      WHY DON’T YOU “EXERCISE” YOUR BLOODY “CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY” AND SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID ABOUT THE REPRESSIVE MONARCHY THAT HAS EMERGED IN SRI LANKA WHICH IS THE PRIMARY PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY IS FACING. Talk is bloody cheap, particularly when one is a poorly-disguised apologist for the present bunch.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Marisa,
    I enjoyed reading your fantasy. Till people like you start opening your eyes and realize that Tamils have genuine reverences and are treated like second nay third class citizens in their own country, Sri Lanka and its citizens are doomed for failure. Perhaps you start with the the Bandaranaike Chelvanayakam pact and the Senanayake Chevanayakam past.

    Yes, I am a proud member of the Tamil Dispora. I am old Royalist (not that I am proud of that, having being called “Kalla Thoni” and “Para Demala” by members of the Sinhalese stream, including by son of a well known Optician. I was always made to feel as if I was an outsider. I was an unwilling participant of the 77 and 83 riots and Sinhalese at their worst. I know that it is fashionable to refer to the LTTE as the cause of the Sinhala rage, but you should start by reading Tarize Villachi’s (a very decent Sinhalese journalst”) “Emergency 58″. Read about the Satagrahi’s of Jaffna of the 1950 and 60s who had their heads bashed in (Litreally) my the army and police. (The GOOGLE shall set you free, if you want to).
    I feel safer and comfortable in my adopted home that I have ever felt in the land of my birth. If you ever had to cross the Elephant Pass Army checkpoint in the early 1960s, you may begin to understand. The humiliation and fear in the lad of my own birth. If you ever had to under go the humliation my Master’s Level Economist father had to under go because of the Sinhala Only policy, you may understand.
    You can demonize the Diaspora (as it is fashionable these days) or you can talk to them without precondition and listen to their grievances.

    The ball is in your court, (not yours personally as you dont have the power, even if you may have the will) , but the majority sinhalese.

    And knowing how the majority Sinhala mind works (if history is a guide), all of us have to fall much much further before we hit rock bottom. Only then can we start climbing out of the abyss.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Marisa,

    just as some of the diaspora who contributed to the weapons for the LTTE are guilty of the blood shed, so are the Sinhalese who paid for the bombers, the tanks, the phosphorous bombs etc. etc. etc.

    Do you accept any part of the guilt? Are you OK with blood being shed in your name by the terrorist nation state?

    After all, whats sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander too?

    Right?

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Marisa said
    “However, irrespective of who the real villains are, my sentiments against starting up another war and it’s impact on the war affected I’ve met, remains the same.”

    Marisa, the war is not over. One side has been wiped out . The other side is fighting still! The armed war is over, but the economic, civic and political war is still going on against the Tamils.

    I hope you are honest enough to admit it!

  • Tmama

    Thanks Marisa for bringing sense to a deluded group. Some of the readers of this column may never have been to Sri Lanka, but may be carriers of strains passed by their parents. In Sri Lanka the indeginous people not haqving had the benefit of European missionary education are reduced to lower paid jobs in the private sector, or in the villages in the Uva districts, frequently casual labour. The withdrawal of GSP will hit the economy hard. Diaspora in the rich West bankrolled the war, bought the corrupt Colombo politicians to publish the names of the Army intelligence who were massacred byLTTE killer squads in Colombo.

    Under the decisive leadership of Mahinda, When LTTE realised the game was up. Poorer folks of the Northern districts, who had no money to buy their way into EU refugee status, were commandeered to move together with the LTTE forming their bullet proof vest.

    The same diaspora now seek to start another 100 year war.

  • Cengal

    Sri Lanka is a failed state. Whether it can actually pick itself up off its feet is a very, very remote possibility. That is what the most recent election showed. There is no point chasing after the Tamil diaspora, when the problem clearly lies on the home front. You want to fix Sri Lanka, then educate the Sinhalese voters to pick more competent leaders who are actually competent in the execution of their tasks.

  • allen

    maybe if the EU governments are so keen to have a place for the tamils, then they should be allowed to carve out a place from each EU country…

    its so absurd for tamils to ref in UK, cos they still havent even given a north ireland there own homeland, so how can tamils get there own homeland from voting in UK…

    why dont the tamil get together with New yorkers and ask new york to ceceede from USA> i am sure obama will allow…

  • yapa

    Dear Cengal;

    We were awaiting your certification. Ok! we will do as you advised. Please give more advice in the future.

    Thanks!

  • Colomboite

    Dear Marisa,
    I felt I had to comment on what seems to me your lack of understanding of who constitutes the diaspora and what makes them act the way they do. I am a Colombo Tamil, originally from Jaffna. I have lived my whole life in Colombo, have no plans to emigrate or join the Diaspora and I believe firmly in a final political solution. I say so in case you or anyone else labels me an extremist. I have had a few experiences of discrimination but since I am trilingual I have been able to manage so far. But I know of many who haven’t been able to. Many of them end up as members of the diaspora. That aside I would like to ask you if you could find a single Tamil who agrees with the views you have expressed here. I would safely bet that there are none (excluding the DD, K or P variety).
    I would like to explain who the members if the diaspora are – the first tamils who left sri lankan shores went soon after the 1958 riots. The next followed in the 1970s when standardization came into being. The rest left in the aftermath of 1983 and beyond. You must surely realize now why they left? They were discriminated against…That is their History. When I was schooling (in a prominent Colombo School) I studied history the way the govt wanted us to learn it. Even those in the North and East learnt it that way. We learnt that Maahan was an evil invader who destroyed everything. But I later read in Tamil history that he was a benevolent King who built many temples and was a patron of the arts. Which version of history is correct? Isn’t history a subjective thing? Likewise we cannot say history is unimportant and throw it out. Those in the diaspora whom people accuse of teaching hatred to their children have only shared with them what they have undergone in the land of their birth. My father who underwent the horrors of the 1983 riots in Colombo did share his experiences with me. Is that a crime? Is it wrong to remember? After all does not our history define who we are?
    Similarly I have had the opportunity to liaise with lawyers who represent youth arrested under the PTA, I have seen the younger lawyers break down under the stress that they carry. They have to answer to the imprisoned’s pleadings, to his parents (who are absolute wrecks) and also live in fear of the white vans. If this is the plight of the lawyers just imagine that of those in jail. Some of these youth have been arrested and detained for small crimes like being ‘forced’ to buy a phone for an LTTE operative. They spend years in jail. When they are finally released they come out as embittered men. And as soon as they leave the country they openly end up supporting the LTTE who had earlier forced them to work for it. I have personally known many such types.
    Also the diaspora constitutes of people who left here in such circumstances and started their their life from scratch abroad. They started as cleaners and sweepers and ended up becoming rich businessmen. They worked from scratch. Imagine the humiliation they would have felt in having had to work like that having come from good and affluent families here. Not only do they work for themselves but also provide for their parents or siblings who live here. I am afraid it embitters them and rightly so. I would like to look at their voting on the Vaddukkoddai resolution from that perspective. They are not stupid to not realize that there is no way a separate state can be established. Their voting should only be looked as a reassurance for themselves that they can still freely do something like that in the country they now live in. It is a dream which they hold onto in order to continue living in peace with themselves for what they underwent here. Ditto with the idea of a Trans-National govt. The 99% votes for the resolution is a reflection on how many members of the Tamil community successive governments have managed to alienate from their motherland. It is only that and nothing else. What has the govt done to prove them wrong? It has promised Gam Sabhas to a community which asked for federalism.
    I knew that many members of the diaspora were getting ready to travel back to SL in the event of a SF win. They wanted to come back and rebuild their lives, contribute to their motherland and they believed that SF was more approachable than MR. But all that has been shattered now. All they ever wanted was equitable treatment. Do you really think they are happy being away from the land of their birth? From their loved ones? They had no choice. They have also had to struggle with an increasingly violent younger generation back there.
    Further I believe that the Tamil Diaspora has done their community a great service by being able to freely collect documentation on war crimes committed in SL. We here do not have even the right to freely express our views without fear of the white van. Therefore all I can ask now is to show them a little kindness and they will respond with love. Please Marisa, do write after researching the matter, do not write on emotion.

  • punitham

    Davidson
    I’ve just found:

    http://www.crin.org/reg/country.asp?ctryID=203&subregID=11
    SRI LANKA
    There are no National laws or independent human rights institutions in our database relating to this country

    http://www.crin.org/reg/country.asp?ctryID=100&subregID=13
    IRAQ
    There are no National laws or independent human rights institutions in our database relating to this country

    http://www.crin.org/reg/country.asp?ctryID=2&subregID=11
    AFGHANISTAN
    Afghanistan Independent Human Right Commission

    Help with your previous posting:
    3.?
    4.?

  • jansee

    Marisa

    “It’s no point belly aching about the regime, we have to ensure that it is held accountable to it’s people and provides for all of it’s people and their rights equally.”

    Just a pipe dream. Where emotion rather than sense rules the majority, it would be foolhardy to dream that minorities will ever see a clear sky. There were times when Sinhalese politicians had stood in Tamil areas and won, only to sorrily find that there has never been a single occasion where the Sinhalese leaders have ever kept their promises to the Tamils. Such betrayals and frustration were the reasons why Tamils took up arms. For 60 long years it has become a tiresome game with so much of lives lost and the only way to resolve this once and for all is for the Tamils to get their separate homeland.

  • yapa

    Dear Jansee;

    Say for instance what you are saying are correct and Sinhalese admit all the past mistakes as theirs on the basis of your good explanation. Now, all those things had happened and they are in the past. Tell me what we should do now? I don’t think you are suggesting to send all the Sinhalese to guillotine for their past blunders. Please suggest a good solution without wasting your energies as now the fault finding mission is over. Suggest a solution from your part for all Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and others can accept. Don’t let other people say “Doing is harder than saying”. I feel like you are capable of anything by judging on what you are saying. To me you seem to be omniscient.

    Thanks!

  • Belle

    Marisa,
    As someone from the Tamil diaspora, I too wish that the diaspora would give more attention to finding out what SL Tamils want, and try to support their choices—rather than making their choices for them. I sympathise with the heartbreaking way many of the Tamil diaspora had to make a decision to leave their homeland, and the struggles they have had fitting into their adopted countries. But they have not had to face the worse hardships faced by those left behind. The Tamil diaspora needs to respect the wishes of those still residing in SL.

    Like you, I too wish that they would concentrate on contributing to the development of a political solution.

    But having said that, I am concerned that your article only helps with the ongoing effort to demonise the Tamil diaspora. Perhaps we all need a reality check.

    As TheTruth points out, those figures for the referendum cannot be believed. And the turnout at the protests too were nothing like what was claimed. For eg, I know that huge sections of the diaspora in Toronto didn’t turn up because they heard that Tiger flags would be waved and they didn’t want to be associated with their politics. As TheTruth says, the Tiger and Eelam supporters in the diaspora are merely a highly vocal minority.

    As Travelling Academic noted too, there are members of the Tamil diaspora who are involved in helping on the ground. There are other sections of the diaspora that are also engaged in finding alternative political solutions through various channels.

    Also, it’s not true that those who raise funds do it at no risk to themselves. Those who did so in Singapore, for eg, have gotten into trouble with the local authorities, and have been deported. It is probably similar in other countries. Others end up getting caught by the Colombo authorities and detained for many years without trial. Even if we think that what they did was wrong or immoral, they’re obviously doing it from some sort of emotional and moral conviction, that even threatens their career and families. (I can’t speak for others but if I were forced to leave my homeland due to the actions of uncompromising fellow-citizens, I’m sure I’d feel a lot of bitterness and anger and feel a strong need to strike back.)

    I wouldn’t be too surprised either that those who want an Eelam actually have plans to return.

    Jaffna Tamil makes a valid point. Perhaps it’s time to take a break from pointing fingers at the Tamil diaspora’s contribution to the LTTE, and ask about those Sri Lankans who paid for the bombers, the tanks, the phosphorous bombs, which were targetted not just at the LTTE but also at Tamil civilians. We should ask too about all those Sri Lankans who put power into the hands of murderers so that they could carry out their terrible dreams of ethnic domination. We should ask about all those Sri Lankans who never bothered to raise their voices against the unjust incarceration of a quarter million innocent Tamil civilians, against Tamil citizens having to produce passes for travel in their own country.

    It’s unfortunate that your article has invited a lot of support from Sinhalese nationalistic types. Perhaps you need to more strongly distinguish your position from theirs. It’s only too easy to make scapegoats of the Tamil diaspora but the Tamil diaspora did not cause Sri Lanka’s ethnic conflict.

  • Observer

    LOL Belle,

    “We should ask too about all those Sri Lankans who put power into the hands of murderers so that they could carry out their terrible dreams of ethnic domination.”

    So what you wanted us to stay hands strapped and take bombs sponsored by you? You should have known we would have reacted. The same way you claim that you reacted. Then our action was justified much as yours. Question is who was man enough to say no to the violence? That’s something neither side can claim for. Except SL gov tried with the peace talks. They tried so damn hard for what? For the LTTE to sabotage by sending a hard liner into power and being so arrogant at peace talks. Let’s face it, it is no secret LTTE wanted to battle it out!!! Not have a compromised solution where both parties could be happy but GET IT ALL! Now you can see what you GOT IN THE END! None of you whaa whaa I’m a victim I had to blow my self uppers acknowledge this. LTTE forced us to fight when a peaceful solution was so near!

    Arguments saying it’s not us look at your self does;t work! You have no more higher moral ground than the SL gov. It was WAR. Both sides battled it out killing and maiming.

    Diaspora wasn’t in the heat of the battle. Your life wasn’t threatened. But the everyday Sri Lankan’s was both Sinhalese & Tamil. So who was more justified? I have to tell you in the final battle lot of ethnic Tamils were fighting with the SL gov from within enemy territory covertly supporting DPUs and providing intel. Otherwise LRRP couldn’t be so successful. Your propaganda channels will never talk about these things.

    If you’re still playing this blame game, then you have not learned yet. We might as well prepare for the next phase. After 30 years why stop now right?

  • Groundtruth

    Marissa’s article is one-sided surely, depending on when she was born perhaps. Else, Sri lanka will not be what it has become over 60 years of independence. Take your blinkers off and see both sides and you will realise the answer is far, far from what your pretences are. Boru show is no answer, just as much as the Referendum show is all about. It’s all down to cause and effect relationship.

  • nandasena

    Marisa does not realise that LTTE is a by-product of the successive Sinhalese governments inability to treat the Tamil citizens equally. Diaspora is the direct results of the organised pogroms against the Tamils by the sinhalese governments since the mid 1950′s.

    All the sinhalese commentators (except a few) seems to blame the victims and not the oppressor!!!! Most of them have decided tfor hemselves that it is impossible (or they are unwilling)to give the “right for self determination” for the Tamils!!! Have any of them thought about the death and destruction caused by the Sinhalese governments from 1950s to the Tamils and their properties and livelihood? If the Tamils were given self rule then, all this would have been saved and Sri Lanka would have been a better place for both Sinhalese and Tamils. What has Sri Lanka gained by bringing the “Sinhala only” policy and destroying Tamil lives and prperties? It took Sri Lanka several years backwards. Especialy the rural folks. Few families like the Bandarnayakes and Rajapakses benefitted. Rajapakse and Co. made millions by arms deal and Tsunami aid. Their children were sent on scholarships to study abrad on tax payers money. Their children did not suffer by the Sinhala only policy!!!

    Marisa only finds it easy to blame the Diaspora Tamils!! What about the Sri Lankan(both Tamils and Sinhalese)who unwittingly contributed to the war in the form of “National Defence Fund” Marisa has no qualms about that, because, may be the victims are Tamils and their life is less worthy than that of the sinhalese!!! Marisa never raised her voice against the killing of 30,000+innocent tamil civilians Killed and several thousand maimed and orphaned. Marisa does not worry about the 300,000+ innocent civilians imprisoned behind barbed wire without adequate food, medicine and clothing. Several thousands innocent Tamil civilians imprisoned for ages without charges!!!

    I am sure Marisa knows how much money which was donated by various governement to the war affected and Tsunami affected people went into the pockets of the ruling class!!! If not for the Diaspora Tamils fair percentage of people who were imprisoned in the concentration camps would have perished of starvation and decease. It is a well known fact this government installed Bank machines in the “concerntration camps” even before they erected toilets!!!! Does Marisa know who sent money to those unfortunated people? Most of those unfortunate people are dumped in Jaffna, Mannar, Batticaloa and other places without any basic amenities. Who do you think are supporting the orphans and the destitute? This government has prevented NGOs from reaching these paople for fear of their atrocities (war crimes)coming to the outside world!!!
    Does Marisa knows how much the Diaspora Tamils are contributing towards the welbeing of the war affected people?

    It is strange that Marisa thinks that the Government has the right to kill Tamils and destroy their properties and livelihood wantonly and that the Diaspora Tamils have to bank roll the murderous regime and approve the killing of their kith and kin silently!!!!!

    Have the government come up with any political solution? What is the hurry for this election when most of the Tamils voters are homeless and has not even got over from the shock of seeing their kith and kin killed in front of them? Mahinda did not want them to have a chance to vote!!!! Can you expect any justice from him?

  • Janaki Ganesan

    ‘those Sri Lankans who paid for the bombers, the tanks, the phosphorous bombs, which were targetted not just at the LTTE but also at Tamil civilians.’

    Uh, The Sri Lankan public doesn’t fund the government. It gets its money mainly from taxes on businesses, etc. The Tamil diaspora funds the LTTE though.

    ‘unjust incarceration of a quarter million innocent Tamil civilians’

    It’s not unjust. The people lived under the LTTE regime and had to be cleared of any ties with the group. How do you know all of them are innocent btw? Just because they are Tamil doesn’t make them all victims.. And who’s fault is it that the Vanni only had Tamils and no Muslims or Sinhalese? The LTTE kicked out all of those back in 1990.

    And really these people have no where to go considering now that they’ve been released they’re living under tin sheetings; they could use some of that money you’re throwing away on stupid ads calling for a boycott on Sri Lanka.

    ‘against Tamil citizens having to produce passes for travel in their own country.’

    Perhaps starting an illegal war in which the Tamils disassociated themselves from all other ethnic groups (including Muslims) could have something to do with that? African Americans were discriminated in the United States as late as 1980 but none of them tried to carve out the South for a mono-ethnic state.

    Stop pointing to 1958, 1977, 1983, etc.. as justification for what was a racist, violent and fascist rebel group. You guys had a really great cause in 1983. After hundreds of suicide bombings, real ethnic cleansing (100,000 Muslims out of the North in 1990), extra judical killings, fascist dictatorship, civilian executions, village slaughters, etc.. not so much..

  • Janaki Ganesan

    Yes, the army has committed many atrocities especially in the 1990s. But all of that added up together pales in comparison to what the LTTE has done.

    At least half of the victims of the final conflict was due to the LTTE shooting civilians, shelling civilians on their own (yes, it wasn’t just the army) and keeping the people from leaving the area..

    The army didn’t intentionally shoot civilians in the final conflict (2009)… There only crime is shelling areas with LTTE personnel. They could have used more sense and caution but it’s not exactly 1983 or what ever personal encounter you’ve had with army figures dozens of years ago.

  • Lie Detector

    Marisa,

    Please don’t insult ‘Jansee’ and ‘Belle’ as they are your true champions. You need them to keep this charade going. Now to top it off there is a ‘Colomboite employed to make your point for you! When are your other friends going to make their debut?

    Oh, Marisa, Oh, Marisa!

  • wijayapala

    Dear nandasena (why you do like Sinhala names?)

    Marisa does not realise that LTTE is a by-product of the successive Sinhalese governments inability to treat the Tamil citizens equally.

    Would you also agree that the current Rajapakse govt is a by-product of LTTE duplicity and continued terror during the ceasefire period? That Mahinda would never have been elected if the LTTE allowed the Tamils to vote in 2005?

  • wijayapala

    Observer,

    If you’re still playing this blame game, then you have not learned yet. We might as well prepare for the next phase.

    There won’t be a next phase. The only Tamils clamoring for war do not live in SL and have no intention of moving back. They’re hoping that the Tamils who are in SL are similarly bloodthirsty but that is not the case.

    That does not mean we should ignore the plight of the northeastern Tamils. If anything we have to prove the above warmongers wrong.

  • Observer

    nandasena does not realise that MR administration is a by-product of the successive Sinhalese governments miserably trying to appease the LTTE into a peace settlement. People who back MR “us apologists” are a result of first hand witness of some of the most brutal violence of LTTE & UNP hay days. We had it with suicide bombs, we had it with wadakagara. We had enough and we wanted to go all in for some peace. A gamble that seems to have paid off for now. You can argue all you want about what sort of peace it is, but good god it’s settling… Thank you MR! We are with you all the way and we’re always ready to raise the stakes if required again.

  • Dayan Jayatilleka

    It is interesting to contrast the bulk of the views ( and the dominant perspective) here with the Independence day essay on Sri Lanka by Lord Meghnad Desai, Professor Emeritus at the LSE, in which he writes withempathy about the Sri Lankan people, especially the Tamils and commends a path of reconciliation, WHILE PLACING MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN and explaining why he does so.

    Go check it out folks. Or do you think you are/have better intellects than this world renowned economist?

  • Jacinta Amaresekara

    Janaki Ganesan,

    “Uh, The Sri Lankan public doesn’t fund the government. It gets its money mainly from taxes on businesses, etc. The Tamil diaspora funds the LTTE though.”

    That’s rich–a society doesn’t fund its government! They probably don’t vote for it either!

    The LTTE got most of its money from illegal trading activities. It has even been winning international recognition for this compared to other terrorist organisations since the 1980s. See reports from Jane’s. The extent of Tamil diaspora’s funding of LTTE has never been revealed, so let’s not presume that it is any kind of a major occurrence.

    As for the rest of what you said, please use independent reports as your source of info, not government propaganda. Leave the government to carry out its own propaganda–as you can see they are exceptional at this. My own experience with SL diplomats suggest that they could actually win international awards in this regard.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Interesting Article and comments.. Referendum, zero value and zero impact on Sri Lanka. Be you be a Diaspora or a Local; Do not carve out Sri Lanka. Be proud to be a Sri Lankan where ever you live and support reconciliation, development, and re-establishing democracy. Use your “wise, intellectual 15,000 prestige university folks overseas” to shoulder the development of the poor nation and make Sinhalese faces smilling and feel them welcome you with open hands like in Torronto. Thats the attitude (or “the world class things” as Said by M) should the world class citizens must have.

    There should be an Anti-discrimination act supported by anti-discrimination awareness programme to make people aware that human beings should not be subjected to discrimination on any grounds and it is an offence. That would make Tamils, Muslims, Sinhalese and others respected and belonged anywhere in Sri Lanka. Any Sri Lankan, despite the ethnicity should have a right to live & work any where they like. Thats why Eelam is not a solution to so called “Tamil aspirations” and thats why Tamil Diaspora’s Eelam funding is unacceptable.

    Forget all pacts and acts, Lets start a new chapter. Zero tolerance for discrimination, equal rights all, more political authority for provincial councils provided that they protect unity of Sri Lanka.

    The intention of Tamil Diaspora is to speak on behalf of Tamils in Sri Lanka and make unstable, unrest among communities. This trend has to be stopped. The GOSL has to address the statesmen where Tamil Diaspora live not to interfere internal matters in SriLanka by their folks before Tamil Diaspora becomes a tumour like LTTE.

    Agree: Marisa, DJ, Ponna-seka, TravellingAcademic, Dhiraj, TheTruth, richard, jayathilaka, Yapa, Sinhala_Voice, Lie, Ashley Leah, Justitia, Tmama, allen, Janaki Ganeshan, Wijepala,

    Disagree: SamThambipillai, Subramaniam Masilamany, Rukishan, KARUNA, Davidson Panabokke, Puthinam, TheTruth, Jansee, cengal, Colomboite, Belle, Groundtruths, nanadasena,

    Unclear: Observer, HKJ, Jafna Tamil,

    Facts: Costs of Sri Lankan Civil War
    Total Deaths: 80,000 people by end of 2008 (+20,000 in 2009)
    Tamil Fighters 27,639
    Sri Lankan Soldiers 21,066
    Sri Lankan Police 1000
    Indian soldiers 1500
    Civilians 28,795
    (Most ae Sinahalese, Massacred by LTTE)

    (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War )

  • aran thambimuthu

    Dayan has done it again! Quote from a Lord of the intellectuals–Megnand Desai–who no doubt earned his lordship like many south asians and african middleclasses by cleaning after the english royalty…It is interesting why Desai added a line about Rajapakse–I wonder what kind of factors shaped his Lordship’s views…
    On the question of the Tamil Diaspora—it is true that there is a lot of politically naive—types who speak of Singapore, and as Tamils as Millionaire’s and World class types perhaps the next Jews and Israels of the world.
    That the Tamil upper class consists of people who have a mix of feudal mentalitity, castism and political naivism…But what is interesting is that this “Tamil-government in exile” idea is being promoted by a few so called intellectuals too…
    I think the focus of Tamil Diaspora should be on Political education of its less sophisticated brethren and most importantly a through review of what went wrong with its earlier struggle for liberation. A no-holes barred investigation into why the Tamil struggle failed…Why the LTTE strategy was ultimately flawed instead of harping on about why India and others destroyed it. In other words a thorough soul searching…self reflection.
    In other words to not give opportunity for self serving intellectuals in any community be it in the Tamil community or the likes of Dayan Jeyatillake who should have stuck to journalism…of the popular tabloid sort instead of parading his racism in disguise of an intellectual.

  • Janaki Ganesan

    ‘That’s rich–a society doesn’t fund its government! They probably don’t vote for it either!’

    My parents nor I have ever payed taxes to the government.

    Note that about 47% of the Sinhala public voted against Mahinda in 2005 and about 38% did so in the last election. That’s a significant minority which doesn’t support him even if he did rid the country of a bothersome terrorist group.

    ‘As for the rest of what you said, please use independent reports as your source of info, not government propaganda. Leave the government to carry out its own propaganda–as you can see they are exceptional at this. My own experience with SL diplomats suggest that they could actually win international awards in this regard.’

    LTTE did commit all those crimes. My sources – University Teachers of Jaffna – read their report – they present eyewitness accounts of LTTE firing at civilians and shelling their own people. FBI notes their crimes. And ‘ethnic cleansing of Muslims’ can be sourced back to the many news articles written about it including by the BBC. The UN said it realizes the security risk of the people coming out of the Vanni.

    What else do you need me to source?

  • nandasena

    “WHILE PLACING MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN and explaining why he does so”.

    Meghanad Desai may be a good economist, but to compare a potential war criminal to Abraham Lincoln, his head needs to be examined.

    He may under the payrol of the Indian Government, just like Dayan singing for MR.

  • Jacinta Amaresekara

    Janaki Ganesan,

    There’s no doubt about LTTE violence–there have been many independent observations of that. What I quarrel with are the claims you make about SL Army’s conduct in the war. How do you know that it was benign? Only one source is available–the state, and they have an obvious need to tell a certain narrative. I’m waiting for independent sources, or for stories from the Tamil side to counter-balance state propaganda so one may perhaps get at least a hazy glimmer of the truth by reading the two sides together.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear justitia,

    What is too much to ask is an exclusive “Traditional Tamil Homeland” while Tamils enjoy to live and Own land anywhere they please in SL.

    Renounce this inequitable demand and recognize the right of ANY Sri Lankan to live anywhere they please within the Natural Geographic Borders of this Island and the rest will follow.

    Are you able to do so?

  • James

    “WHILE PLACING MAHINDA RAJAPAKSE IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN and explaining why he does so.”

    After defeating his foe, Abraham Lincoln did not gloat over his victory. In fact, these are Lincoln’s own words:

    “With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right — as God gives us to see the right — let us strive on to finish the work we are in. Let us heal the nation’s wounds. Let us do all possible to get and keep a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”

    Now, a more appropriate spiel from Mahinda might be:

    “”With malice toward none…(except 20,000 LTTE cadres…)…

    with charity for all (as long as the United Nations foots the bill);

    with firmness in the right (thanks to the Executive Presidency, wrong is not possible) —

    as God (Mahavamsa?) gives us to see the right –

    let us strive on to finish the work we are in (appoint more family members to high positions).

    Let us heal the nation’s wounds (divide the country between India and China, and indulge in the commissions).

    Let us do all possible to get and keep a just and lasting peace among ourselves (Emergency Regulations, White Vans, and High Security Zones will prevent insurrection)…

    and with all nations (except those which meddle in the affairs of Sinhala-Buddhist Lanka which never made a mistake. Note particularly the ZERO CIVILIAN casualties during the war”)

  • Observer

    Lincoln aside, 3 Rajapakse brothers always reminded me the Kennedy brothers!

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dayan right. I long time ago knew MR belongs to Abrahim Lincon category, or atleast Winton Churchil, Martin Luther King, Dutugamunu category.

    Now he is awarded with a doctorate by Russia. He is Doctor Mahinda Rajapakse. Even Obama, USA respects him for his work. Only Tamil Diaspora takes bit longer time to understand him. Let them take their time. Not all human being are equaly intelligent as peopl like Dayan Jayathilake and me :)

    Mahinda Rajapakse is a matured, clever politian. He is smarter and he knows how to get things done from intelligent people and manage them. He eradicated the terrorism and developed the country, he elevated Sri Lanka from 3rd world poor country to developing coutry which EU thinks Sri Lanka doesnt qualify for GSP tax concession (jealous of progress, pretext HR) because Sri Lanka is not that poor. Sri Lanka will not forget EU’s step motherly treatment to Sri Lanka.

  • http://www.freedom.com eelam tamil

    Rather then trying to convince us about giving up our hope for freedom.
    if you are really concern for tamil people why do not you find a lasting political solution for Tamil question ?

    We tamils wont stop fighting for freedom. what ever u say. we wont forget all those killing of brothers and sisters.

    We rather go an help people in Haiti or Africa, then help the racist Sri Lanks.
    We will do everything in our power to bring justice to tamil people.

    For the all the killing, you have now Dictatorship by war criminals. See if you can write some critical things about you dear leader.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    This news confirms my views on MR and Sri Lanka.
    Martin Luther King III, the son of renowned American civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr., said that Sri Lanka now has an opportunity to become a symbol of non violence and justice.

    He expressed these views at the opening of the ‘Justice Everywhere’ exhibition at the Colombo Art Gallery. He said that his father spoke of a community in which peace, justice and equality replace violence, hatred and discrimination and expressed confidence that Sri Lanka can create such a beloved community and set an example to rest of the world. He stressed that the first step is to realise that violence begets more violence.

    The US Ambassador to Sri Lanka, Patricia Butenis, addressing the gathering said that the visit of King comes at a timely juncture when Sri Lanka has seen the end of a decade long civil war, and a hard fought Presidential election. She expressed hope that the message of non-violence that King brings with him will resonate around this beautiful country.
    source: http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20100208_02

  • http://www.freedom.com eelam tamil

    Majority Tamils in Sri Lanka, are voiceless, they have shown cleanly in the so called democratic elections(red and blue Lanka). Now its up the people who survived the killing field and bloody beaches to express clearly to the world
    what is that their want. even now, after the end of war tamils want a separation from Sri lanka. Its just like battered wife asking for divorce.

    Now the question for you, if you dare , if you are so sincere about Tamils welfare why do you allow the tamils have referendum on Eelam ?. Because that will not be permitted by occupying forces. so its up to Tamils around the world conduct this referendum.

  • SomewhatDisgusted

    Dear NoEelamInSL,

    While I agree that MR is a very strong leader and has a lot of potential, I have my doubts as to whether “He is smarter and he knows how to get things done from intelligent people and manage them.” You do know that Dayan himself was sidelined on conclusion of the war? However, many of the tragic excuses for diplomats we have in the foreign service are still hanging on there, notwithstanding their severe incompetence. The same can be seen in MR’s handling of many other appointees.

    This, I believe, will be the deciding factor that will make or break MR. If he continues to follow this path, it will not get us very far – incompetence and corruption will overwhelm us. If he corrects that weakness, and appoints the right person for the job and not mere sycophants, I feel he certainly has the potential to propel SL forward.

    What do you think?

  • http://www.freedom.com eelam tamil

    As long as you sin lankans

    – deny the Tamils basic human rights
    – deny the justice to Tamils(investigation in to war crimes)
    – deny any political settlement to the ethnic conflict
    – try to erase the identity of Tamils

    there will be people who will seek a Tamil home land, because only that can give us the security. And as long that happen there will be external power which will try exploit that.

    Eelam stands out as separate country or a state. You can’t forceful change the nature of things

  • yapa

    Dear Subramaniam Masilamany/eelam tamil;

    When people are out of their minds they behave like this. You are showing yourselves to the whole world, who you are. LTTE also won a recognition through false propaganda for sometime. But it was temporary. You are trying it again. History will teach you all, the same lesson. You cannot deceive everybody for ever.

    You think you have come here with the destiny of Sri Lanka in your hand? It is a great misunderstanding. Don’t think people who faced and distroyed all mighty LTTE, will afraid of your empty cyber threats. Give up wrong ideas. Help build the country to live in peace. Sinhalse, Tamils, Muslims and other communities lived in harmony in this country before learned greedy Tamils put poison in to the hearts of innocent Tamils. Stop it at least now. Wake up from your nightmare.

  • jansee

    Yapa:

    Yes, I wanted the Tamils to put the past behind them, too. How mistaken I was to believe that the end of the war would usher into an era of genuine peace and reconciliation. The SL regime had made tremendous overtures for the Tamils to cross and promised them they would be looked after. Yet with history of renegading on their promises, the Tamils believed all the same that it would be different this time. Alas, what a disappointment? If they thought they had escaped from the clutches of the LTTE, the deceitful SL regime herded them as animals into concentration camps with guns pointed at them. Yes, that last ray of hope vanished for the Tamils to ever trust any SL leadership that they would ever be treated fairly as citizens. They are just numbers and statistics. Look at the APRC which was tossed around by playing with the hopes and emotions. The MR regime has one major aim – to ruin the Tamils so that they would never raise their voices again and I am saying unabashedly because MR was never cut in the mould of a statesman. That one great opportunity he had to extend that hand, which I fervently thought would be best starting point to heal the years of rift and pain, he failed to do so. Show me one Sinhalese statesman whom the majority Sinhalese will support, perhaps then we can have some mutual discussion on how to build a nation. Believe me, if MR had moved to heal the wounds immediately after the war instead of confining them in camps like animals, he would have would have won the trust and confidence of many Tamils. With racial rhetoric taking centre stage in SL politics, it will be futile to even remotely believe that the majority Sinhalese will ever treat the Tamils as equal citizens. That is why I emphasise that the only way to resolve this stalemate is for a separate nation for the Tamils. If sixty years (even before Prabhakaran started his adventure) of history has not meant anything, then another hundred years would not.

    Dayan:

    Well, if I tell you (or may be you are already aware of) of what Boyle thinks of SL, surely you would jump up as if you were sitting on fire? May be this Lord Meghnad Desai should have compared MR with the great Mahatma Gandhi? May be then we can have a laugh over a cup of coffee. Sometimes, you are really hilarious Dayan. May be the Americans can take up this “hint” of yours and accord the same status to MR in their history books.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    NoEalamInSL,

    You say that ……..
    –Forget all pacts and acts, Lets start a new chapter. Zero tolerance for discrimination, equal rights all, more political authority for provincial councils provided that they protect unity of Sri Lanka.

    The intention of Tamil Diaspora is to speak on behalf of Tamils in Sri Lanka and make unstable, unrest among communities. This trend has to be stopped. The GOSL has to address the statesmen where Tamil Diaspora live not to interfere internal matters in SriLanka by their folks before Tamil Diaspora becomes a tumour like LTTE-
    You make up your own proposition and decide who is against it and who is for it? Your intellectual dishonesty is not surprising.
    You also say—
    The intention of Tamil Diaspora is to speak on behalf of Tamils in Sri Lanka and make unstable, unrest among communities. This trend has to be stopped. The GOSL has to address the statesmen where Tamil Diaspora live not to interfere internal matters in SriLanka by their folks before Tamil Diaspora becomes a tumour like LTTE.——

    It may come as a surpise to you, that unlike in the land of the Sinhala Buddists, statemen in other lands are actually civilized and care for everyone, not just some made-up ethnic groups. The last person who described humans as tumors, the guy lived in Germany, had a short mustache and thought himself an aryan! But, we are know Irony is wasted on people like you.
    .

    Unclear: Observer, HKJ, Jafna Tamil,

    Facts: Costs of Sri Lankan Civil War
    Total Deaths: 80,000 people by end of 2008 (+20,000 in 2009)
    Tamil Fighters 27,639
    Sri Lankan Soldiers 21,066
    Sri Lankan Police 1000
    Indian soldiers 1500
    Civilians 28,795
    (Most ae Sinahalese, Massacred by LTTE)

    (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    NoEalamInSL,

    _______

    Facts: Costs of Sri Lankan Civil War
    Total Deaths: 80,000 people by end of 2008 (+20,000 in 2009)
    Tamil Fighters 27,639
    Sri Lankan Soldiers 21,066
    Sri Lankan Police 1000
    Indian soldiers 1500
    Civilians 28,795
    (Most ae Sinahalese, Massacred by LTTE)

    (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War..

    I checked Wikipedia, the citation was based on a Reuter’s Report citing SL Gv and LTTE claims, and so its not worth the paper its printed on.And who where does it state that exactly 28795 civilans were killed. You do make up stuff dont you?

    And THIS::::: Civilians 28,795, (Most ae Sinahalese, Massacred by LTTE):::::

    My advice to you is….
    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

    . (Most ae Sinahalese, Massacred by LTTE)

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Janaki Ganesan said, February 7, 2010 @ 11:39 pm

    <<>>

    One would be ashamed to admit that she and parents lived on welfare, partially funded by the Tamils.

    I hope that unlike your parents, you would find a job and contribute to society instead of wasting time on posting on this blog.

    Looking forward to your post proudly proclaiming that you have become a productive member of society and started paying taxes.

    Good Luck my friend.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Dayan, Dayan, Dayan,
    When will you stop drop dropping names of obscure people and write something original? I am looking forward to the day. You were always a name dropper! I remember in 1981, when we were discussing the Malayan Emergency, you told me that Jr. gave you Noel Barber’s War of the Running Dogs.
    29 years later, you still have not changed.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dear SomewhatDisgusted,

    I do agree on sidelining of DJ and breaking factors of MR. But let me explain my views on that.

    There is a difference between keeping an incompetent and a competent diplomat at Foreign Service. A powerful voice and a competent diplomat can do more harm than an incompetent one. But as you said it is very important to have competent, persuasive diplomatic diplomats to represent Sri Lanka because Eelam is now on International stage. We need Diaspora community to be vigilant on Eelam and Anti-Sri Lanka fronts.

    The well respected gentleman in international politics and my favorite political analyst, Dr. Dayan was a victim of “MR’s smart and clever politics”. MR used his talents at a crucial point (war couldn’t have continued if he wasn’t there) and victimized when DJ’s “too nice” attitude was against MR’s way, he was removed from the UN post. That’s nothing personal. By now DJ himself is aware of that, I think. Dr Kohana is not a bad replacement either.

    Dr. DJ should be in international politics, brilliant personality in international arena. We need a voice against hypocrites. Perhaps, he could have stopped Iraq war if he was at UN Gen Sec post to convince statesmen by that time. So, let’s propose him for next UN Gen Sec post. :)

    There are many breaking factors for MR. Corruption, thuggery, election harassment, intimidations, media harassment, and abuse of state resources. These factors were there since 1977. Now it is time to eradicate. But no one is perfect, no governance is perfect. So far, so good :)

    Eelam Tamil,

    Yes there will be a Tamil Homeland but not in Sri Lanka. You fought it for 30 years achieving nothing. It is not possible in Sri Lanka. History will repeat, but just not possible in long term. There will be many Eelam wars as well as counter Eelam/terrorism wars. Actually Tamil Homeland should be Tamil Nadu where 60 millions Tamils live, dont you have common sense? You cant have homelands everywhere . You people will ask one in Toronto (Canada), Australia, Malaysia, and many. But for Sri Lankans, Sri Lanka is the only Homeland (sea is the boundary, no other demarcations). Other items in your shopping list are already at home. Do not shop for that.

    Jaffna Tamil,

    “unlike in the land of the Sinhala Buddists, statemen in other lands are actually civilized and care for everyone, not just some made-up ethnic groups.”

    Did you refer “statesmen in other lands” to Tony Blair, Miliband, George Bush, Hillary Clinton etc who butchered Iraqis, Afghans since 2003 (still continues) during illegal invasion while Security Council objected it, killing many hundreds of thousands? Did you mean that as a civilized act? Thank god, you from Jaffna. The guy with a little Mustache was also from same civilized society, Germany. They have same blood. Now you must be a hybrid to talk like that way.

    Jaffna Tamil, go learn your mathematics. 2-1=1 doesn’t need to mention in wikipedea. Where is “world class thing” in your head. These numbers are official. Don’t deny what LTTE did to Sri Lanka. Never come up with Eelam in Sri Lanka. We extend our both hands and welcome you to live with us, don’t bite our hands.

    NoEalamInSL

  • wijayapala

    Dear jansee,

    it will be futile to even remotely believe that the majority Sinhalese will ever treat the Tamils as equal citizens. That is why I emphasise that the only way to resolve this stalemate is for a separate nation for the Tamils.

    If the majority Sinhalese will never treat the Tamils as equal citizens, what makes you think that they will allow a separate nation for the Tamils?

  • wijayapala

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    It may come as a surpise to you, that unlike in the land of the Sinhala Buddists, statemen in other lands are actually civilized and care for everyone, not just some made-up ethnic groups.

    Could you describe which of these statesmen pushed to have Tamil as a national or official language in their countries?

    Recently I read two very touching books describing the difficulties of Tamils in European countries- “Life on the Outside” by Oivind Fuglerud and “Gorilla” by Shobasakthi. I got the strong impression that statesmen in neither Norway nor France give a damn about the Tamils seeking refuge there.

    And what is a “made-up” ethnic group? Are you presenting “Jaffna Tamil” as an ironic example?

  • annoyed


    Now he is awarded with a doctorate by Russia. He is Doctor Mahinda Rajapakse. Even Obama, USA respects him for his work. Only Tamil Diaspora takes bit longer time to understand him. Let them take their time. Not all human being are equaly intelligent as peopl like Dayan Jayathilake and me :)

    Mahinda Rajapakse is a matured, clever politian. He is smarter and he knows how to get things done from intelligent people and manage them. He eradicated the terrorism and developed the country, he elevated Sri Lanka from 3rd world poor country to developing coutry which EU thinks Sri Lanka doesnt qualify for GSP tax concession (jealous of progress, pretext HR) because Sri Lanka is not that poor. Sri Lanka will not forget EU’s step motherly treatment to Sri Lanka.”

    Yes, yes.. Mahinda the village boy has come quite a long way, wearing his national costume at UN Headquarters, and getting the West to foot the bill for his barbed wire concentration camps. Now it seems he has taken the final step – arrest the General who won the war for him! I don’t know about “peace” prize, but definitely Mahinda should get a Nobel for shrewdness!

  • jansee

    Dayan:

    Yes, I read the article by this Lord Meghnad Desai. Guess what? Would your Abraham Lincoln (Mahinda Rajapaksa) hold a Truth and Reconciliation Commission as suggested by the Lord? I wonder when this attitude of yours in picking extracts to hoodwink others is going to change? It is already evident that Gotabaya has become very edgy on accusations against him on many of his adventures (or misadventures). He will be pinned down for his crimes. It is only a matter of time.

  • http://bardoflanks.wordpress.com Bardo Flanks

    @Jaffna Tamil

    For as long as I’ve known you (since 2002 in DWCW forums), you’ve always been trying to assert your importance by name dropping. I remember how you constantly referred to your supposed interactions with the likes of Dayan and Dhanapala to sound like somebody. You’re no better than Brian Seneviratne, whose only claim to fame was being related to Chandrika.

    Dayan is a world renowned diplomat who’s got nothing to prove. You’re an insufferably angry, middle-aged agricultural scientist. Your delusions of grandeur are so extreme that you once accused the Sri Lankan government of plotting to kidnap you the way they did to KP.

    Really matchang, we don’t need people like you and your bitterness. Sri Lankans have moved on. We want no part in the recurring nightmare inside your head. Groundviews is a forum for constructive engagement, not a podium for angry, politically impotent, middle-aged men to wag their accusatory arthritic fingers.

  • belle

    Jansee,
    Meghnad Desai is not so much interested in comparing MR to Lincoln as he is interested in calling for a Desmond Tutu figure in Sri Lanka who will take on the real inspirational and challenging work of reconciliation and healing. It’s not the starting point of the essay but the ending point that is crucial.

    Desai doesn’t extol Lincoln–he’s very ambivalent in the way he talks about both MR and Lincoln. Perhaps he thought that Sri Lankans would only give him a listening ear if he flattered MR first.

  • jansee

    Wijayapala:

    Of course, they are not going to give it in silver platter. Neither are they going to make life easy for the Tamils to work towards that end but for that reason Tamils are not just going to sit tight and let the Sinhalese dominate their lives forever. If that is the case, then even the American War of Independence cannot be justified. Until the Tamils get their homeland, no matter how many generations it takes, there is not going to be peace for both the Tamils and the Sinhalese.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    My Daer Bardo,
    You have mistaken me for someone else, Ha Ha! I started posting on this only a few weeks ago. (That must have been another Jaffna Tamil, there are still some us left you know, in spite of your best efforts!) . As for being a middle aged (guilty) Agriculture (not by a long shot, plants dont like me), you are barking up the wrong tree.

    I have not had the honor of have the Sri Lankan Government try to kidnap me, as I have been out of their grubby little hands since the mid ’80. And whyy would I claim any relationship to Dhanapala or Dayan J. I dont know Mr. Dhanapala (rs. or Jr, though I have heard that they are/were very decent people). I don’t claim relationship to Dayan , just mentioned his name dropping habits even in 1981. As his distinguished diplomacy, I haven’t heard much about it other than his “performance” in Geneva. Of course, in the Village well, that is Sri Lanka, I am sure his voice must have boomed and echoed like the proverbial frog. There are Diplomats and Diplomats. Von Ribbentrop was considered an excellent diplomat in his day too.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    wijayapala said,
    -February 9, 2010 @ 3:35 am
    Could you describe which of these statesmen pushed to have Tamil as a national or official language in their countries?-

    Oh, Wijepala, Wijepala, Wijepala

    You just dont get, it do you? OK, repeat after me, Tamils are citizens of Sri Lanka and have lived there for at least 2100 years, (I limit myself to 2100 years, because your Sinhala Mahavamsa , Your be all and end all of knowledge, accepts that there was a Tamil King Ellara. (I hope we are not going to have an argument about that because iif you have one, take it up with your Bhikkus who wrote the Mahavamsa.). And since then Tamil was the National Language of the Tamil Kingdoms in the North and East. The Portuguese, the Dutch and the British All acknowledged it.

    And the Last King of Ceylon was a Tamil, (Please check Wikipedia or Google and the Kandyan Convention of 1815 was Partially signed in Tamil.). That is accepted history. If you have any problem, I suggest that you do some serious studying of Sri Lankan History.

    So Tamil was Historically a National and Official Language and no one has to make it so! It was not a power for your people to give. We already had the power. You just stole it, enjoy the stolen power while you can, its not going to last long!) And as for your rather ignorant comment about which statesman have made Tamil an official language (and please pay attention, the difference here is a country where Tamil was never an official language) , have you heard of a gentleman called Lee Kwan Yew? He was the Prime Minister and now is the Chief Mentor of small but multiethnic economic power house called Singapore. I think Google can help you more than I can.

    I shall view your continuing education with great Interest!

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    NoEalamInSL says —Jaffna Tamil, go learn your mathematics. 2-1=1 doesn’t need to mention in wikipedea. Where is “world class thing” in your head. These numbers are official. Don’t deny what LTTE did to Sri Lanka. Never come up with Eelam in Sri Lanka. We extend our both hands and welcome you to live with us, don’t bite our hands.–

    Gosh, golly Gee Wiz! Now that you can back up your figures about the Civilian casualties, you are doing New Math! Seriously, Even you cant be that dumb!

    And what god given right have you to tell me at I am welcome in my land of birth? Its like the neighbor squatting in my own property and telling me that I can go back to my house, as long as I stay in my room and dont make too much noise!

    One thing I have to give the SInhalese! They have the gall! As they say in the west, brass balls! Well actually, Its tin foil painted in copper color! ( I saw how on Friday July 29, 1983, after assaulting raping murdering Tamils and burning their homes and businesses, when a rumor started flying around in Colombo that the Tigers have landed, how those brave Sinhalese who just a few hours before were killing unarmed tamil men, women and children, panicked an ran with sarongs and saris over their heads screaming and wimpering “Kotiya Avaa” Kotiya Avaa”. And once found out that it was a rumor, in their shame, killed more tamils. That was the story of BLACK FRIDAY, July 29, 1983.

    Of course I am bitter and angry. I lost friends, relatives and property. If I felt that the Sinhalese are genuine about their reconciliation I would be the first to extend my hand and clasp them in a bear hug.

    But your attitude is forget what happened, just be quiet and take what we give you. You are not going to have peace in that godforsaken country. And the peace will be disrupted by the Sinhalese against the Sinhalese.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Bardo…
    you say that –Groundviews is a forum for constructive engagement, not a podium for angry, politically impotent, middle-aged men to wag their accusatory arthritic fingers.—

    I agree. We could all start by genuinely acknowledging each other’s grievances. More listening and less of “You tamils ask for too much, you tamils should be thankful for what we have given you, you tamils need to shut up and be quiet and know your place…. etc etc etc……

    Treat others like how you want to be treated. Walk a mile in another man’s shoes. Drop the Sri Lanka is for the Sinhalese. Stop demonizing the LTTE. Remember One man’s demon is another man’s savior. If you want to start anew, then start anew. Stop using your selective memory.

    I am eternally hopeful. I am willing to extend an open hand ( or as much as I can in this anonymous blog). Its up to you.

  • Janaki Ganesan

    “One would be ashamed to admit that she and parents lived on welfare, partially funded by the Tamils.”

    No I didn’t live on welfare. I earned about 20,000 rupees in the 1990s and the taxes were deducted before I received the money. So I never ‘paid’ taxes because the amount never got to me.

    I would think this is a really good salary back then. Mahinda supporters probably earn much less meaning they aren’t required to pay beyond what’s taken from their salary.

    The Tamil diaspora directly and willingly funds the LTTE though.

  • Tim Tim

    “assaulting raping murdering Tamils”

    You freely use the term ‘raping’. Did you actually see this? I’ve never witnessed such an event (I wasn’t around in 1983 though). Sri Lanka has changed. You who has not been here since the-late-80s can’t transfer some past experience as the reality of today.

    You probably feel safer in Scarborough than in 1983 Colombo. But the latter doesn’t exist anymore.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Janaki said –No I didn’t live on welfare. I earned about 20,000 rupees in the 1990s and the taxes were deducted before I received the money. So I never ‘paid’ taxes because the amount never got to me.–

    Dear Janaki.
    I am glad that you were not on welfare. If the taxes were taken out of your pay then you did pay taxes. Thats how it works. Adn then you file a tax retuen at the end of the fiscal year, in April if I remember.

    –The Tamil diaspora directly and willingly funds the LTTE though– Your money went to opress, and some dispora money went for the LTTE. Even now another US $300 is going to Russia, now to opress you people with your own money!

    Oh the supreme irony!

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Tiny Tim said –
    You freely use the term ‘raping’. Did you actually see this? I’ve never witnessed such an event (I wasn’t around in 1983 though). Sri Lanka has changed. You who has not been here since the-late-80s can’t transfer some past experience as the reality of today.—

    Tiny Tim, thats a good start!

    Thank you for not questioning the “assaulting” and “murdering” part. Now I was not foolhardy enough to hang around and watch anyone being raped. But it happend and if you do some research, you will find the info. I know of one person who was raped and left for dead.

    1983 Colombo sure does not exist anymore. Say waht you will, but it was safe for the Sinhalese then. But I see pictures of submachine gun toting soldiers on motorbikes and masked soldiers standing around Sarath Fonska;s office scares the living daylights out of me. belive it or not, I feel sorry for the Sinhalese.

    One of my good friend who is a Sinhalese is married to the sister of a senor General staff level aide of Sarath Fonseka. They guy has been sent on compulsory leave and he is expecting to be arrested anytime now.

    I am suppressing the urge to tell him, know you know I felt , but he is a good guy and needs all the support he can get at the moment.

    You sound like a very bright young man, probably closer to my son’s age. I suggest that you read, Tarzie Vittachi’s Emergency 58 and Justice Alles’s Assassination of a Prime Minister . Both are very fair Sinhalese.

    You probably feel safer in Scarborough than in 1983 Colombo. But the latter doesn’t exist anymore.>>
    I can only hope that you could enjoy the Colombo of the late 60s when as school boys we could ride a bike anytime of the day or night anywhere and lived the innocent life. without any stife between the average Sinhalese and the average tamil. Of course the Government was becoming anti tamil but the average Silva rolled his eyes at that and took the average Siva, to the Wadia for a Lion lager or McCullums ( my personal favorite)

  • Off the Cuff

    Tamil was the National Language of the Tamil Kingdoms in the North and East. The Portuguese, the Dutch and the British All acknowledged it.

    Sure the Dutch acknowledge a Tamil Kingdom in the East. The documents are available in the Dutch National Archives to prove it.

    http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/AMH/detail.aspx?page=dpost&lang=en&id=682#tab2

    They talk of a Sinhala Kandyan Kingdom extending up to Elephant Pass

  • dayan de silva

    marisa,
    the beauty of living in a western country with free speech is that the tamil diaspora can give voice to the views that their friends and family living in the NorthEast convey to them in emails and phone calls. Those ‘in country’ can’t speak out now because they have been devastated and the 6th amendment prohibits them from stating their true feelings.

    it is NOT up to you to dictate to them or anyone what they can or should do.

    Freedom… that is what the Tamil diaspora has and that is what is denied to the tamils on the island who are afraid to speak. You think they tell you what is in their hearts? Even your tamil friends won’t tell you what they think (i know they don’t because i know some of them).

    No one wants war, but no one wants to live as slaves or 2nd class citizens.

    “Peace is not merely the absence of war but the presence of justice, of law, of order – in short, of government.” ~ Albert Einstein

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Off the cuff said –Sure the Dutch acknowledge a Tamil Kingdom in the East. The documents are available in the Dutch National Archives to prove it.

    http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/AMH/detail.aspx?page=dpost&lang=en&id=682#tab2

    They talk of a Sinhala Kandyan Kingdom extending up to Elephant Pass ==

    Thats a good start. Thanks for acknowledging the Tamil Kingdom of Jaffna. Your like doent tell me anything about Sinhala domination of the east.Just some info about elephant pass.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Dayan De Silva
    Thanks for stating the following….–the beauty of living in a western country with free speech is that the tamil diaspora can give voice to the views that their friends and family living in the NorthEast convey to them in emails and phone calls. Those ‘in country’ can’t speak out now because they have been devastated and the 6th amendment prohibits them from stating their true feelings.it is NOT up to you to dictate to them or anyone what they can or should do.–

    If I may add, we also feel free to voice our own opinion, something we were scared to do when we were in Sri Lanka.

  • wijayapala

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    So Tamil was Historically a National and Official Language and no one has to make it so! It was not a power for your people to give. We already had the power.

    During the British era, Tamil was neither a national nor official language. The big difference that came after independence was that English was replaced by Sinhala as the official language. Tamil was not affected, because it had no status or “power” in Ceylon prior to 1956.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    Oh sure and what was that info?
    Anything to your liking?

    Is it now TWO Tamil Kingdoms ?

    Geographically NON Contiguous?

  • Suvendrini

    Dear Marissa,
    I prefer to speak of diasporas rathere than THE diaspora, as there are several.
    I’d like to commend two pieces to your attention, if i may:
    the courageous journalism of Meena Nallainayagam in Toronto (see
    http://this.org/magazine/2009/12/02/sri-lanka-tamil-tigers/ and also an older article about Tamil dissent, http://www.rrj.ca/issue/2007/spring/674/); secondly a novel, Distant Warriors, by ChannaWickremesekera in Melbourne.
    These are important counters to the hate-filledTamil and Sinhala diasporic voices. I wonder about the possibilities of alliances between counter-voices like these and people in Sri Lanka who also want to end the hate.
    keep up the great posts!
    Suvendrini

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Worth quoting from Daily Mirror Editorial: “An overwhelming majority of people who voted for Mahinda Rajapaksa at the January 26 polls did not want General Sarath Fonseka to be arrested. The thinking was ‘Ok he has been acting stupid during the last two months but here is the man who led the Sri Lanka Army in the security forces’ epic victory over the LTTE’. Since the General was not seen as presidential material they decided to side with the incumbent President.

    The same way if Sarath Fonseka was elected the majority of the Swan supporters would not have tolerated any move to send President Mahinda Rajapaksa to Bogambara. ‘After all here is the president under whose regime we won the war. Forget about nepotism and other charges he should be treated with some respect’ they would have thought.

    Ours is a civilized nation. Ordinary people in this country are forgiving, have a strong sense of gratitude and have always been far more civilized than politicians and their aides.”

    http://www.dailymirror.lk/print/index.php/editorial/106-editorial/3326.html

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Dear Wijepala,

    you said “So Tamil was Historically a National and Official Language and no one has to make it so! It was not a power for your people to give. We already had the power.”

    During the British era, Tamil was neither a national nor official language. The big difference that came after independence was that English was replaced by Sinhala as the official language. Tamil was not affected, because it had no status or “power” in Ceylon prior to 1956.–

    I have to disagree with you. Tamil may not have been codified as a Nation or offical Language (and lets not be pedantic) . but neither was the Sinhalese language. By your defintion, Sinhala had no offical staus in Ceylon till 1956 as well. Do you agree?

    So by your own definition Both Tamil and Sinhalese had no status and in 1958, that sinhalese by their majority status usurped the offical stauts and denied Tamil because of the minority Status?

    But historically speaking (no pun inteneded)

    But the offical business was conducted in Tamil in the Jaffna Kingdom Which covered Vanni and Trincoi (check Wikipedia ) and easten Batticaloa was ruled by Tamil Cheiftians (again Wikipedia) and the kandyan Kingdon (ruled by the Tamils of the Naykkar Dynasty). It has the same status as Sinhalese language had in the South and west.

    Of course during history , borders moved northward and southwards

    Here is the relevent lines from Wikipedia –The Kandyan Kings have ruled Eastern Province throughout history. Thus the racial mixture was ensured by the Kandyan kings marrying into the families of Batticaloa rulers. Dutch invasion took place through Batticaloa with the alliance of Batticaloa rulers and Kandyan king Rajasinghe. Both were Tamils and Hindus. even though the Kandyan Kingdom was Sinhala Buddhist to the core, the kings were Tamil Hindus of Madurai Nayakkar origin— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batticaloa

    And about Trinco—
    –Relationship with feudatories

    Vannimais were regions south of the Jaffna peninsula in the present-day North Central and Eastern provinces and were sparsely settled by people. They were ruled by petty chiefs calling themselves Vanniar.[43] Vannimai’s just south of the Jaffna peninsula and in the eastern Trincomalee district usually paid an annual tribute to the Jaffna kingdom instead of taxes.[8][43] The tribute was in cash, grains, honey, elephants, and ivory. The annual tribute system was enforced due to the greater distance from Jaffna.[4–

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_kingdom

    It was almost the equvalent of King James of Scotland becoming the King of England after the dealth of Queen Elizabeth. And the relationship between the Tamil Cheiftians of batticaloa and Kandyan King was the relationship between the Scots or Welsh with the British King.

    Of course, the Sinhala Kings ruled the north and the Tamil kings ruled the south during the course of history. If one starts claiming ownership then there will be counter claims from other parties.

    I belive that the only that never changes is change. The Sinhalese had to bear brutal tyranny of the tamil King Kalinga Magha. And now the Tamils are bearing the brtual tranny of the Sinhalese Ruler Rajapakse.

    But the pendum invariably swings. 60 years is a drop in the bucket in terms of histroy. We can be civilized like the English,/scottish and the Welsh or but heads like the English and Irish.

    And I know that you and I have similar veiws on this. I hope saner heads will previl and we take the sensible model.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Off the Cuff ,
    I could not find the link? Please resend.
    Thanks

    I hope you read my reply to Wijepala. No I didnt make up facts, I have sourced them,

  • Jaffna Tamil

    OTC,

    this s all I could find….

    _–During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass.–

    Ther portugese had captured the Jaffna kingdom. in 1619. I am asking you for the third time, please check your facts instead of living up to your name and linking an obscure and poorly sourced website.

    Thanks

  • SilentObserver

    To All:
    Interesting conversation piece. shows how widely apart our views on the rights of tamils. Lets leave all the past behind for a moment, and see what needs to be addressed. In my view: Tamil Nationalism is alive and well within and without SL. Is the SL govt. going to address it equitably or not.

    My hope is it should and quickly. If not I am afraid, the issues that were brought up in the intial posting are bound to repeat itself. It may not be in the very near future.

    Sri Lanka is now becoming a pawn in the new game of global balance of power and might.

  • wijayapala

    Brother Jaffna Tamil,

    So by your own definition Both Tamil and Sinhalese had no status and in 1958, that sinhalese by their majority status usurped the offical stauts and denied Tamil because of the minority Status?

    Sinhala replaced English. Why did the Tamil nationalists accept English as the official language, but not Sinhala?

    The Kandyan Kings have ruled Eastern Province throughout history. Thus the racial mixture was ensured by the Kandyan kings marrying into the families of Batticaloa rulers. Dutch invasion took place through Batticaloa with the alliance of Batticaloa rulers and Kandyan king Rajasinghe. Both were Tamils and Hindus. even though the Kandyan Kingdom was Sinhala Buddhist to the core, the kings were Tamil Hindus of Madurai Nayakkar origin

    Glad to see you learning from wikipedia like me.

    Rajasinghe I was Sinhala, not Tamil (although he converted to Hinduism and became anti-Buddhist). I am not sure whether he or his relatives intermixed with the Mukkuvar community who were controlling Batticaloa at that time. Kandy became controlled by the Nayakkar kings much later, from 1739 onwards.

    I am not sure that Tamil was always the main language in the East. My understanding is that the East used to have more Sinhalese but became Tamilized over time (just as NW Sri Lanka from Mannar south to Chilaw and Negombo used to be more Tamil but became Sinhalized). However Trincomalee was an important site for both Hindus and Buddhists; it was mentioned in both Mahavamsa and Thevaram.

    Here is what the Asst Government Agent C.M. Lushington said in 1898:

    “This part of the District (Kaddukulam West) is inhabited by Sinhalese villagers of Kandyan descent forming an outlying community which is, I fear rapidly dying out or becoming effaced.

    “This District is most interesting, being dotted over by numerous village tanks, some of which are restored and others abandoned„ The villagers retain many of the primitive customs of the Kandyans, but they are rapidly becoming ‘Tamilized’, which is a great pity. They inter- marry with Tamils and many of them speak Tamil as well as they speak Sinhalese. Even the Government School Master is Tamil and only that language is taught in the only school and unfortunately in some cases lands in Sinhalese villages have been bought out by the Tamils, who now own all the paddy lands of some villages. The Sinhalese have given up their patronymics and adopted the Tamil custom of perfexing father’s name instead of the usual patronymic and even the names of the villages are assuming a Tamil dress.

    “This perhaps not to be wondered at when the interpreters of the court and the Kachcheri, the petition drawers and all through whom the villagers have access to Government officers, can speak nothing but Tamil.’”

    The Sinhalese had to bear brutal tyranny of the tamil King Kalinga Magha.

    Kalinga Magha probably was from Orissa or northern Andhra Pradesh (ironically where the Sinhalese likely originated), and not a Tamil.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    You wrote

    this s all I could find….

    _–During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass.–

    Ther portugese had captured the Jaffna kingdom. in 1619. I am asking you for the third time, please check your facts instead of living up to your name and linking an obscure and poorly sourced website.

    What’s your lament about the National Archives of the Dutch?
    Found anything unpalatable there?

    So what is the question?

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Sri Lanka: Evidences Lead To General Fonseka Arrest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liQlig1Xwyg

    The evidences led to arrest of General Fonseka are surfaced in Sri Lanka. They can be more useful for law breakers and human rights preachers, like Prof. Boyle, TAG Diaspora, AI, HRW, and Eelam sympathaizers than Sri Lankans who are shocked by the arrest of General Fonseka.

    A personal crisis has become an international crisis, just because of someones attitude and acting irresponsibly. Ones war hero is anothers war crime. War heroes have become enemies. One is claiming, the other committed crimes just because he didnt get due credit for winning the war. The other is collecting evidences assuming he makes a smarter move before the other get him checked-mate. Another group of peers are watching anxiously to grab something out of the bag.

    Sri Lankans are aware both parties committed to defeat most ruthless terrorism in Sri Lanka. In a war situation casualties are inevitable. The situation has blown out of proportions. Sri Lanka is again unrest. Who should be responsible for the situation? We urge both parties to give up resentments and solve the issue before it further escalates to another civil war.

    General Fonsekas arrest by government and General Fonsekas irresponsible statements of betrayal of Sri Lankan Security Forces are unacceptable. Lets not betray Sri Lanka, Lets not suffer our people. Lets not waste our lost lives. Lets not be divided. The country need all! When right, keep it right. When wrong, make it right! Release General 5:15, Shake hands!

    Mr. Wimal Weerawansa (Leader, National Freedom Front) surfaced reasons lead to arrest of General Sarath Fonseka, the former Commander of Sri Lanka Army and Chief of Defense Staff of Sri Lanka.

    He said Sri Lanka military forces were disciplined and as a result of that Sri Lanka could win the war (against a ruthless terrorist organization LTTE ). Military shouldnt be politicized like other institutes in Sri Lanka(police, and civil administration). Thats why those politicized institutes are not productive unlike military. Thats why discipline of Military is vital to avoid future threats.

    He said that Military Police of Sri Lanka has sufficient evidences of violations of code of conduct of Sri Lanka Military by General Sarath Fonseka during his tenant as Chief of Defense Staff.

    1.The evidence of a discussion between General Fonseka (during visit to USA) and JVP Secretary Mr. Tilvin Silva to seek advice on matters relating to national security and military affairs during the period as he was Chief of Defense Staff (CDS) of Sri Lanka Security Forces.

    2. General Fonseka’s public statements (Sunday Leader Gota Ordered 3:46 interview, public rally in Ampara 3:48) that LTTE surrenders were ordered to kill. (Personal attack on Mr. Gotabaya Rajapakse)

    3. Statement made by a UNP MP (Mr. Mangala Samaraweera) 4:07 where he said himself (Mr. Samaraweera) and Mr. Ranil Wickramasighe had secret discussions with General Fonseka while General Fonseka was CDF.

    4. General Fonsekas statement to BBC 2:55 that he was prepared to testify alleged war crimes against anyone, if anyone has committed any war crimes and he (or Army or people are) not prepared to protect any war criminals.

  • SomewhatDisgusted

    Dear Jansee,

    “Until the Tamils get their homeland, no matter how many generations it takes, there is not going to be peace for both the Tamils and the Sinhalese.”

    Get this, there will be no Eelam. Not unless the Sinhalese and Tamils mutually annihilate each other. That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. Oh wait, that’s ok right? You can hold your head up proudly in England while others die on your behalf in SL. I’ve heard your type of talk enough times – i.e even if every Tamil in SL dies, we will continue our struggle type of stuff (from afar of course, never on the front lines). I quite agree with your logic, Sri Lankan Tamils are an expendable lot, what’s important is that your pride be salvaged intact!

    Fighting for racist goals and expecting to win is laughable at best. You have no high moral ground to tread, starting from the very concept of Eelam to the stellar behaviour of the LTTE, which proved to the world that racism is racism, no matter how vocally you try to justify your own racism by pointing to the racism of others.

    The only fight you can expect to fight and win is a fight for equality. That’s what got you Tamil as an official language. That’s what eliminated ethnic quotas. That’s what will get you the support of any sane individual. That’s what has brought Sri Lanka to a stage where the only remaining problems are all implementation problems, nothing else. All solvable in reasonable, democratic ways over time.

    But equality is just not that important right? Just not good enough to fight for perhaps? And I always thought you guys said the Sinhalese are the only racists on the block.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Brother Wijepala,

    —Sinhala replaced English. Why did the Tamil nationalists accept English as the official language, but not Sinhala?—

    I had thought you were more enlightened than that! You last me on that line. If enlightened people like you don’t know the answer for that question, we are bound for another 62 years of misery.

    —Rajasinghe I was Sinhala, not Tamil (although he converted to Hinduism and became anti-Buddhist).– I cant discuss anything with someone who seems to be rewriting history..

    you quote Asst Government Agent C.M. Lushington said in 1898–“This part of the District (Kaddukulam West) is inhabited by Sinhalese villagers of Kandyan descent forming an outlying community which is, I fear rapidly dying out or becoming effaced.

    I see no contradiction to my earlier posting. The Key words are OUTLYING COMMUNITY. NOT THE MAIN COMMUNITY. I hope you can see the distinction. Usually The minority community by their sheer numbers are assimilated in to the Majority community. And since the Tamils were the Majority community, they the Sinhalese were being assimilated.

    You quote –“This perhaps not to be wondered at when the interpreters of the court and the Kachcheri, the petition drawers and all through whom the villagers have access to Government officers, can speak nothing but Tamil.’”–

    Your argument clearly proves that Tamil was the only link language in the area. Again no contradiction.

    So in conclusion, Brother Wijepala, you have agreed with me that Sinhalese by their majority status usurped the National Language states and and degraded the Tamil states, you assert that Tamils should have have been subservient and accepted the diktats (spelling was intentional, diktat meaning ” a harsh penalty or settlement imposed upon a defeated party by the victor; a dogmatic decree”),
    You restate history and agree if not fail to contradict my assertions) .

    Where do we go from here?
    .

  • Jaffna Tamil

    —Off the Cuff said,

    February 11, 2010 @ 1:18 am

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    You wrote

    this s all I could find….

    _–During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass.–

    Ther portugese had captured the Jaffna kingdom. in 1619. I am asking you for the third time, please check your facts instead of living up to your name and linking an obscure and poorly sourced website.
    What’s your lament about the National Archives of the Dutch?
    Found anything unpalatable there?
    So what is the question?–

    Please dont get hurt again, but what dont you understand about the words , “poorly sourced?”

    There is nothing unpalatable there. I suggest that you read by responses to brother Wijepala, and read about the Kandyan Kingdom, and Jaffna Kingdon on Wikipedia. If you are unable to find the links I will be happy to provide you.

  • wijayapala

    Brother JT,

    Rajasinghe I was Sinhala, not Tamil (although he converted to Hinduism and became anti-Buddhist).– I cant discuss anything with someone who seems to be rewriting history..

    I think you’ve confused the Sinhala Rajasinghe I, who lived in the 16th century, with the Tamil/Telugu Nayakkars who took the title “Rajasinghe” and lived in the 18th-early 19th centuries.

    you assert that Tamils should have have been subservient and accepted the diktats

    You are wrong. I believe that 1956 “Sinhala-Only” was an incorrect policy and should have included Tamil. Sinhala Only actually hurt the Sinhalese alot because it isolated them from the outside world, while many Tamils adapted by learning Sinhala and functioning bilingually.

    My question remains- if Tamils were subservient under Sinhala Only, then they were also subservient under the previous English-Only policy. How did the status of Tamil get downgraded?

    The reason I ask is because many Sinhalese interpreted Tamil opposition to Sinhala Only as being anti-Sinhala, rather than pro-Tamil. A. Amirthalingam (in his younger years) reinforced this perception through his blackening the “Sri” on licence plates campaign.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Brother Wijepala,

    I was referring to the Tamil Nayakkar Kings and King (Sri Wickrema) Rajasinge. I did not refer to in my first post to Rajasinge the king of Sitawaka. which as you know was much smaller than the Kingdom of Kandy. I hope the misunderstanding has been cleared.

    You ask–My question remains- if Tamils were subservient under Sinhala Only, then they were also subservient under the previous English-Only policy. How did the status of Tamil get downgraded?–

    The Sinhalese and Tamils together fought the British for freedom and equality. Once the British left, Sinhalese got their equality but the Tamil had to become subservient to the Sinhalese.

    f two brothers fight to chase away the robbers who steal their crops, and after teh thieves are gone, the stronger brother starts stealing the crops from the younger brother and the younger brother angrily protests, the older brother asks, “Thambi (or Malli,, as the case may be) why are you upset, yesterday the thieves stole your crops, today I am stealing your crops, you were losing crops anyaway, your situation has not changed, so why are you complaining?. What would you if you were the younger brother?

    Thank you for agreeing that Sinhala only was a bad policy for both the Sinhalese and Tamils. However, the Bandaranaike Chevanaykam Pact had a solution. A Federal North and East baed on Nehru’s ingenious solution for India..

    The genius of Nehru, was that he foresaw everything and federated the India Indian States. For example The Presidency of Madras, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madras_Presidency) was broken up into many states, based on ethnicity. (Its too long to go into how, why and when, but there is easily available information).

    And look how India has progressed! If the Bandaranaike Chelanayakam pact had been implemented, the Southern Sinhalese and the Northern and eastern Tamils would have built an Asian Powerhouse, In 1952, Ceylon’s GNP per capital was second only to Japan.

    As it is, the Island is a politically and economically unstable basketcase., with the successive politicians, by appealing to the baser instincts of the citizens and distracting them, have personally enriched themselves at the expense of these foolish people.

    They Say JR was personally incorruptible but was a racist and authoritarian. They say Premadasa was a thug and corrupt, but did a lot for the common man.

    Rajapakse has the worst traits of those two but none of the good.

    And still people defend him, even here. I can only shake my head in sadness.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    —SomewhatDisgusted said,
    February 11, 2010 @ 7:41 am
    –Get this, there will be no Eelam. Not unless the Sinhalese and Tamils mutually annihilate each other. That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. Oh wait, that’s ok right? You can hold your head up proudly in England while others die on your behalf in SL–

    Do you know the old saying, “it takes two hands to clap?”

    —SomewhatDisgusted said,
    February 11, 2010 @ 7:41 am
    The only fight you can expect to fight and win is a fight for equality. That’s what got you Tamil as an official language.–

    I assume you can read as well as write. so please read my comments to Brother Wijepala. And who might you be to give a Ceylon Tamil any right? Its yours to give. You have stolen it, no doubt. Enjoy it while you can because it is not going to last long.

    -SomewhatDisgusted said,
    February 11, 2010 @ 7:41 am
    That’s what will get you the support of any sane individual. That’s what has brought Sri Lanka to a stage where the only remaining problems are all implementation problems, nothing else. All solvable in reasonable, democratic ways over time.–

    Of course after reading your comments, Its obvious that your idea of sanity is would not pass the clinical definition. All solvable in democratic ways over time? How so? We have been waiting for the 5 star democracy to deliver. And apparently now the 5 star Democracy is aborting her own Sinhalese babies so forgive me for laughing at your comments. —-

    —SomewhatDisgusted said,
    February 11, 2010 @ 7:41 am
    That’s what has brought Sri Lanka to a stage where the only remaining problems are all implementation problems, nothing else. –

    Are you aware of whats going on in Sri Lanka? Did you hear what the Malwatte and Asigirya Prelates said recently?

    HERE IS WHAT THE ASGIRYA PRELATE SAID—–

    —–Arrest of Gen. Fonseka is illegal and unacceptable – Mahanayake of Asgiriya
    Thursday, 11 February 2010 10:31

    He never agrees with the government’s decision to arrest Gen. Sarath Foneka in a hurry, the move by the government was an immoral act, Gen. Foneka, who did a great service to the country should have been treated in a dignified manner says Mahanayakeof theAsgiriya ChapterMost Ven. Udugama Sri Buddharakkitha Thera. The Mahanayake made these observations when President of the UNP Gamini Jayawickrema Perera visited him yesterday (10th).

    Speaking further the Mahanayake of Asgiriya Chapter said, “The arrest had been carried out the way a bandit would be seized. We would never approve the way it was done. There is a proper way to arrest even a bandit. There are procedures to question people. Gen. Fonseka had not run away and hidden himself. He was moving about. We should never forget his contribution to the country.

    The masses should carry out their protest for this act peacefully. The way Gen. Fonseka was arrested was unjustifiable. According to information we have got his arrest was illegal and unacceptable. We too should know what is taking place.

    Gen. Fonseka was respected by all. The law should be equal to all. I would speak to the Secretary of Defense regarding this matter.”

    http://lankatruth.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4686:arrest-of-gen-fonseka-is-illegal-and-unacceptable-mahanayake-of-asgiriya-chapter&catid=35:local&Itemid=62

    and here is what the MALWATTE THERO SAID—

    This leader doesn’t listen to us – only pretends he takes our advice” – Ven. Malwatu Mahanayke PDF Print E-mail
    Wednesday, 10 February 2010 12:04

    alt“Sri Lanka’s current ruler pretends he follows the advice of the most venerable Mahanayakes but in reality, is deceiving the entire nation – given the appalling circumstances in the country today, I may not permit visits by him to my Temple in the future”, said Most Ven. Tibbatuwawe Sri Sumangala Thero, Mahanayake of the Malwatte Chapter. The highly respected and revered Thero made these comments when the family of the disappeared journalist Pragith Eknaligoda paid him a visit.

    “ A journalist’s responsibility is to let the people know the truth – he must write. We have a right to know the truth. To get rid of such people is not democracy. We cannot condone such acts.”

    “ Today, they have imprisoned a war hero who brought victory and honour to our nation. It is a crime. As far as I can see, there’s nothing there – however, if he has erred, he is worthy enough to be forgiven. The politicians of today are deceiving the entire nation. They pretend to follow our advice but do not. “

    “ I have a complete file with me on how the poor people who voted for the other side are being harassed. They cannot go to sleep at night ; they run into the jungles to escape being taken in the night. This is taking place in Anuradhapura, Dambulla, Matara etc. There’s nothing we can do but to tell the country that this is happening.”

    “ The voters must not send such people to represent them. If this is the status of the country, then there would not be any progress. You come to see me, to share your sorrow with me but I am sad to say there’s nothing I can do. The politicians pretend to the entire country that they are following our advice but they are not. I think I should not ask politicians to come visit my temple. There’s no point, is there?”

    “ If the rulers harass the innocent people of the country, why do you need them? It is very clear they are not following our advice.”

    http://lankatruth.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4678:-this-leader-doesnt-listen-to-us-only-pretends-he-takes-our-advice-ven-malwatu-mahanayke&catid=35:local&Itemid=62——

    I guess that the Venerable Theros must disgust you as well.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    The Dutch National Archives state that The Kandyan Kingdom extended up to Elephant Pass when they were dominating Jaffna.

    This means that the Vanni that the Tamils claim as the Traditional Homeland Is also a Traditional Homeland of the Sinhalese

    http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/AMH/detail.aspx?page=dpost&lang=en&id=682#tab2

    The Exclusive Traditional Homeland demand is a non equitable demand and has to be jettisoned

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    OTC,
    Just one line in an outsourced website? Are you seriously basing your case on that? Why don’t you read sourced documentation?

    As for “The Exclusive Traditional Homeland demand is a non equitable demand and has to be jettisoned” its not demand, no one is asking you and thus no one cares about your opinion.

    Here a sourced and contemporaneous observation…
    —According to Ibn Batuta, a traveling Moroccan historian of note, by 1344, the kingdom had two capitals: one in Nallur in the north and the other in Putalam in the west during the pearling season.[5][31][41]—–

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_kingdom.

    Puttlam….. That is further, much further south than Elephant Pass. If you don’t believe me check the Sri Lankan Map.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    You said “Just one line in an outsourced website? Are you seriously basing your case on that? Why don’t you read sourced documentation? ”

    Nope it’s just one paragraph from a 17 th Century Document preserved for Posterity by the Dutch Government and published on the web by the office responsible for the National Archives of the Netherlands.

    Hence the Dutch Govt stands by the AUTHENTICITY of that Document. It’s neither “Forged” nor “Artificially” Aged.

    http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/AMH/detail.aspx?page=dpost&lang=en&id=682#tab2

    You have the temerity to label the National Archives of the Dutch as “Outsourced”. What you mean by that is anybody’s guess.

    And as for Obscurity, I hope many more Sri Lankan’s remember to make a note of this site and make it popular bringing it out of “obscurity” and use it to challenge the Inequitable demands that stand in the way of Racial Unity in SL.

    The Document stands testimony to the Fact that in 1619 the Kandyan Kingdom reached up to Elephant Pass. It stands testimony to the Fact that even in 1619 the Vanni had a Sinhalese Population.

    It explodes the Myth of an Exclusive Traditional Homeland in the Vanni.

    You may not like the emerging Truth.

    Sri Lanka is for ALL her citizens. ALL of them have an EQUAL RIGHT to live and own land wherever He or She chooses

    There is no place within the Natural Boundaries of SL, which is the sea, for “Exclusive Traditional Homelands” whether the demand emanates from Tamils, Sinhalese, Moors or any other. There is also no place in SL to perpetuate any law’s that allow such discrimination like the Thesawalami Laws.

    But then, you are not at Liberty to tell people not to bring up these facts just because its unpalatable to you, as this is a Public Forum (Vide your post of February 12, 2010 @ 1:37 am)

    GV is not the Maviddapuram Temple, Where you could tell people who could and who could not visit it till the Supreme Court of SL intervened. You need to come out of the Maviddapuram Mentality it has no place on GV.

    Your liberty (as well as ours) is limited to deciding to be or not to be here on GV. That is a personal decision, unless GV decides it for us, before we do.

  • yapa

    The geographical area of the Tamil Eelam demanded by the Eelam advocates surpasses the land area of 1/3rd and 2/3rd of sea area as “Traditional Tamil Homeland” for their population of just .12% of the population. Even after the LTTE was totally defeated, many Tamils all over the world led by Tamil diaspora are clinging in to this demand. They vouch to fight for gaining their “traditional homeland” until the life of the last Tamil. Most of them seem to think that their demand is justifiable and lead a massive propaganda against the “invasion” of their traditional homeland by merciless Sinhalese, and request the world organisations to intervene to get back their land. I think most of the powerful nations or world bodies have no idea about the reality of this issue and act based on the propaganda of the Eelaimists. My opinion is most of the Tamils too do not know the reality of the issue and they are acting on what they were taught in prejudice by their learned Tamils in the past. If they know the reality I think they will not be that assertive on the demand of Eelam, instead they will regret of the blunders they have done to their community and to the whole society of this country, based on a false concept.

    Please read the following article written by a Tamil scholar.

    http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2009/03/missing-link-how-did-tiny-jaffna.html

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    I think Jaffna Tamil, jansee, belle, eelam tamil, Lie Detector,nandasena, Cengal, KARUNA, Rukshan, Subramaniam Masilamany and Sam Thambipillai will respond to this article.

    Thanks!

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Dear OTC,
    sorry for sounding rude, but WHAT IS THE DOCUMENT THAT THE WEBSITE REFERS?
    WHAT WHAT WHAT? Where is the orginal “paragraph from a 17 th Century Document preserved for Posterity by the Dutch Government and published on the web by the office responsible for the National Archives of the Netherlands.”
    It is NOT AN EXTRACT FROM A 17th CENTURY DOCUMENT! I THINK YOU KNOW IT!

    BY 1617 the Portuguese had occupied JAFFNA and they controlled Vanni and Mannar. Please read this….http://en.wikipedia.org
    /wiki/Portuguese_conquest_of_Jaffna_Kingdom

    And you have not responded to my link about Ibn Batutta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta. He is as famous as Magellan,Marco Polo or Columbus. Please read about him here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Battuta

    ——————
    –Sri Lanka is for ALL her citizens. ALL of them have an EQUAL RIGHT to live and own land wherever He or She chooses– I agree. The only problem I have is when the Military is sent in as occupiers (read the history, from the 1950s Elephant was manned by Army soldiers, and anyone crossing had to go through a check point and even bodily searched. There were many other instances, but I am sure you can find out if you set you mind to it)
    But i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support. As it has been happening since independence. (Read Emergency 58, by Tarzie Villachi) .

    I know about Maviddapuram and Mr. Sunthralingam’s antics. It was a shameful chapter in our history. But whats that go to do with this discussion?

    The rest of your post is gratuitous nonsense so I wont bother to reply to it.

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    You say;

    “But i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support. As it has been happening since independence.”

    Please read my post of February 12, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    You say;

    “But i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support. As it has been happening since independence.”
    ……………………………….

    Please read my post of February 12, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

    I think you will respond to this, though you don’t like to answer me, as the main article was not written by me.

    Thanks!

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    Dear Yapa,
    Thank your for liking that article. Interesting viewpoint and I disagree with some points and agree with others. But firstly I do not think Mr. Johnpullai is a scholar of any repute. He is just just an average person just like you and me and he is entitled to his own opinion. As for his facts, a lot of it is unsupported and is directly contradicted by Wikipedia.

    Now we can talk till the cows come home about pre-independence borders. SInce the alternate Capital of the Jaffna Kingdom was Puttlam, the Tamils can claim it too. But that is just aggravating and annoying to all parties.

    Lets start with how things were on Feb 4, 1948. And that is the basis for the Tamil Homeland. This was recognized by SWRDBandaranaike in 1958 under the Banadranaike Chelvanayakam Pact. The idea being similar the Madaras Presidency being split by ethnic basis in to to Tamil Nadu, Andra Pradesh, Kerala, Karnnataka, etc…. It has worked out well for the former residents of the Madras Presidency by far and large. All these states are economically booming.

    Look at Sri Lanka– Arent you ashamed?

    As for one’s reality is based on perception. It could come from firsthand information and experiences or or generations of brainwashing.

    But one line is very true…….
    -What is strange about this is there was no significant movement to gain separate independence for the Jaffna Kingdom. There were very weak movements to demand it but these quickly died down.-

    Tamils wanted a united Ceylon, not because we were economically unfeasible, if it was economic feasibility, it would have been far more advantageous for the Tamils to ask to be linked with a powerful and rich India, and the Madras State with all the cultural ties. We didn’t because we thought ourselves, Ceylonese first, Tamils second.

    . And let me explan the 50-50 demand. It was Not 50 to Sinhalese and 50% to Tamils. It was 50 to Sinhalese, 25 to Tamils and 25 to the minorities (Muslims, Burgers, Malays Etc) http://tamilelibrary.org/teli/slhist.html

    And let me give you the basis for that demand: In 1931, Ceylon had 5,312,548 inhabitants. Of the 1921 population, 1,928,000 were listed as lowland Sinhalese, 1,089,000 as Kandy Sinhalese, 518,000 as Ceylon Tamils, 603,000 as Indian Tamils, 28,000 as burghers (a Dutch expression referring to Ceylon residents of European descent. Sinhalese had 56% of the Population, Tamils were 21% and the rest were 23%. That was basis for the 50-25-25 demand.
    At that time, this was considered a bargaining stating point.

    As for the 50-50, the man who was closely indentifield with the 50-25-25 GG Ponnablalam and his Tamil Congress were rejected by the Tamils. Its been nothing more than the Ponnabalam family Business since 1956. I admit that we Tamils also have had our exploiters and opportunists.

    —My opinion is most of the Tamils too do not know the reality of the issue and they are acting on what they were taught in prejudice by their learned Tamils in the past.–

    I beg to differ. We Tamils have learned though experience.

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    here is the source for the 1931 Ceylon census.

    http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/india/ceylon19311948.html

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    My friend Yapa,
    Of course I enjoy replying to you. What makes you think that I dont?

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    yapa said,

    February 12, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    You say;

    “But i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support. As it has been happening since independence.”
    ……………………………….

    Please read my post of February 12, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

    I think you will respond to this, though you don’t like to answer me, as the main article was not written by me.

    Thanks!
    —————————-
    I am not sure what your point is. But I suggest that your read Emergecy 58, by Tarie Vittachi which describes Government funded and implemented colonizations
    http://www.tamilcanadian.com/page.php?cat=93&id=555&page=2

    ——–
    This what the the government sponsonred colonists did in 1958..
    —”In May – June 1957, confronted by the threat of a mass Satyagraha by the Tamils, Sinhalese settlers and labourers in the Padaviya area had been warned by the politicians to prepare themselves against a Tamil invasion from the Trincomalee district. They began to refer to themselves in epic terms as the Sinhala Hamudawa or Sinhalese Army. But the tension had eased on both sides of the communal barrier when the Bandaranaike – Chelvanayakam Pact was signed at the end of July that year. The Sinhalese politician, too, had then shown signs of remorse. The Minister of Lands had instructed his official to set apart 4000 allotments for the Tamil labourers who were being laid off by the evacuation of the Royal Navy from Trincomalee. On the basis of five to a family this meant the settling of 2 000 Tamils in Padaviya.

    “The Sinhalese labourers, however, would have none of it. Led by a monk, a gang of Sinhalese squatters came in one night and occupied eleven Wadiyas intended to accommodate the Tamils who would camp there to clear the land for settlement.

    “The Ministry could or would do nothing to counter this forcible occupation. Once again the Government, by inaction, gave it tacit sanction to a fait accompli carried out deliberately and openly by people who seemed to be confident of being able to flout authority wtth impunity. The squatters formed Action Committees and proceeded to clear the land and settle in according to the pattern set by the official settlers.

    Their political bosses now decided to use these `shock troops’ to stage demonstrations against the Tamils bound for the Vavuniya Convention. There is reason to believe that no murderous violence was intended at this stage. The orders were to stone buses and trains, hoot and generally signify `disapprobation’. The Silzhalese labourers were ready and began the treatment on razidom passers, by who happened to be Tamil, even before the real trek to Vavuniya began. “But events znoved too fast for them. On May 22, five hundred thugs and hooligans invaded the Polonnaruwa station, and smashed up the windows of the Batticaloa train in their frantic search for Convention bound Tamils”.

    “Community life in Polonnaruwa was completely disorganized. The bazaar was soothing with frenzied hatred. The first task of the administration, or what there was of it, was to provide a refuge for the Tamils whose lives were in danger”

    “The thugs displayed a temerity which was quite unprecedented. They had complete assurance that the police would never dare to open fire. The “Apey Aanduwa” (The government is ours) bug had got deep into their veins. As the situation deteriorated, desperate measures were needed. The ringleaders of the racial revolt and people suspected of using their position and influence to stir up trouble were arrested. Among them were half a dozen chairmen of village committees and a few other parish pump politicians. The goondas had developed a slick technique of throwing dynamite. They carried it in their breast pockets of their shirts, with the fuse hanging out. As the “enemy” approached they struck a match, lit the fuse, pulled out the stick of dynamite and flung it at point – blank range. (Emphasis added)

    “On May 24 and 25 murder stalked the streets in broad daylight. Fleeing Tamils and Sinhalese who were suspected of having given them sanctuary, had their brains strewn about. A deaf mute scavenging labourer was assaulted to death in the Hingurakgoda area – just to see what made him tick. The goondas burnt two men alive, one at Hingurakgoda, and the other at Minneriya.

    “On the night of May 25, one of the most heinous crimes in the history of Ceylon was earried out. Almost simultaneously, on the Government farms at Polonnaruwa and Hingurakgoda, the thugs struck remorselessly. The Tamil labourers in the Polonaruwa sugar cane plantation fled when they saw the enemy approaching and hid in the sugar cane bushes. The goondas wasted no time. They set the sugar cane alight and flushed out the Tamils. As they came out screaming, men, women, and children were cut down with home made swords, grass cutting knives and katties, or pulped under heavy clubs.

    “At the Government farm at Hingurakgoda, too, the Tamils were slaughtered that night. One woman in sheer terror embraced her two children and jumped into a well. The rioters were enjoying themselves thoroughly. They ripped open the belly of a woman eight months pregnant, and left her to bleed to death. First estimates of the znass murders on that night were frightening: 150 – 200 was a quick guess on the basis of forty famillies on an average of four each. This estimate was later pruned down to around seventy, on the basis of bodies recovered and the possibility that many Tamils had got away in time.

    The hoodlums were, now motorized. They rnamed the district in trucks, smashing up kiosks and houses and killing any Tamils who got in their way.

    “On the morning of May 26, the expected Emergency had not yet been proclaimed. The situation in Polonnaruwa seemed beyond hope. Government Agent Aluwihare, A.S.P. Weerasinghe and their colleagues had not had a wink of sleep or rest for four days. They had been promised army reinforcements and Bren guns but there were no signs of their coming.” (emphasis added)

    “As the day wore on the tension increased. The crowds outside the police station had grown to about 3, 000. The small army unit and the handful of police kept them at bay. But the goondas were enjoying themselves, hooting, hurling obscenities at the police and officials. They caught a Tamil official making his way to the station and beat him up to the gates of the station and then withdrew. The police dared not fire and the army said that they had no orders to shoot if there was a charge.” (Emphasis Added)

    “They were still confident that Apey Aanduwa would not shoot them down.” (PP. 38 – 43)

    “If there had been any chance whatever at this stage of keeping Sinhalese tempers under control it vanished completely following the Prime Minister’s broadcast call to the nation of May 26. The call was no doubt, well intentioned and a statement to the nation was, for once, essential and even overdue. But, unwittingly or otherwise, it contained a reference which had the effect of blowing raw oxygen into a fire that was already raging vigourously. By a strangely inexplicable perversion of logic Mr. Bandaranaike tried to explain away a situation by substituting the effect for the cause. The relevant portion of the speech was: (Emphasis added)
    —————————

    I am very proud to say that as a boy. I knew that wonderful Sinhalese Gentleman, Mr. Derek Aluvihare, the GA as he was my neighbor in Colombo.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    you state It is NOT AN EXTRACT FROM A 17th CENTURY DOCUMENT! I THINK YOU KNOW IT!

    I thought you were proficient in using the Internet.

    BTW the Dutch overthrew the Portuguese and tortured and executed some of them along with a few Local Tamils.

    The Link I provided refers to a document kept safely in one of the Archives / Museums in the Netherlands mentioned below.

    You will not be able to DISPUTE its Authenticity.

    The Atlas of Mutual Heritage (AMH) carries the digitized version and the link is to that

    http://www.nationaalarchief.nl/AMH/detail.aspx?page=dpost&lang=en&id=682#tab2

    The Atlas of Mutual Heritage is an expanding database incorporating:

    1. Locations within the octroi area of the VOC (Dutch East India Company) and WIC (Dutch West India Company);
    2. Illustrations relating to these locations.

    This version contains illustrations from: Amsterdams Historisch Museum (Amsterdam), Atlas Van Stolk (Rotterdam), Badische Landesbibliothek (Karlsruhe), Bibliothèque nationale de France (Parijs), Bodel Nijenhuis / Universiteitsbibliotheek R.U.L. (Leiden), British Library (Londen), Fries Museum (Leeuwarden), Groninger Museum (Groningen), KITLV (Leiden), Koninklijke Bibliotheek (Den Haag), Maritiem Museum (Rotterdam), Museum Bronbeek (Arnhem), Nagasaki Municipal Museum (Nagasaki), Nationaal Archief (Den Haag), National Library of Indonesia (Jakarta), Österreichische Nationalbibliothek (Vienna), Rijksdienst voor de Monumentenzorg / RACM (Amersfoort), Rijksmuseum (Amsterdam), Scheepvaartmuseum (Amsterdam), Stedelijk Museum (Alkmaar), Tropenmuseum / KIT (Amsterdam), Universiteitsbibliotheek / UvA (Amsterdam), Westfries Museum (Hoorn), Zeeuws Museum (Middelburg).

  • Lie Detector

    Yapa,

    What article do you want me to respond to? Under what condition have you lumped me with Jaffna Tamil, jansee, belle, eelam tamil, nandasena, Cengal, KARUNA, Rukshan, Subramaniam Masilamany and Sam Thambipillai? Obviously you paid no heed to my comment to Marisa. You also have no clue as to Marisa’s hidden agenda, my dear fellow. You should really learn to read between the lines in order to understand my previous comments.

    Good luck next time.

  • Belle

    Jaffna Tamil,
    I have a different viewpoint from you on the issue of Ponnambalam’s 50-25-25 demand. However, I admit I am not very familiar with Tamil and Sri Lankan politics of that era, and maybe you can persuade me that my viewpoint is wrong (i.e. I’m keeping an open mind).

    For me, Ponnambalam may perhaps have been a man ahead of his time. A crucial aspect of democracy is giving people equal rights. That means that any individual should not have access to more power than others simply because he or she belongs to a community that has greater numbers in the nation. One way to ensure this is to have equal representation of all communities in parliament. Then you don’t have minority vs majority issues cropping up. With that 50-25-25 presence, minorities combined together can defeat laws and policies designed to assure majority domination; and the majority community could also have defeated minority attempts to disempower it. On the other hand, with Tamils having only 25% of seats, they could not have put through laws and policies that would serve only their interests.

    If you look at countries which are multi-ethnic and which don’t provide for this type of equal representation in parliament, the majority always dominates and carries the day in terms of laws and policies and practices that protect only their interests. Minorities can only depend on the majority community’s goodwill and sense of fair play to get their rights. Why should one community be at the mercy of another in a democratic nation?

    If such equal representation is not provided, at the very least other mechanisms must be legislated so as to protect minority interests. Ponnambalam’s demand was a starting point for negotiations. Did British and Sinhalese ever try to negotiate that figure down or to provide supplementary facilities of representation for minorities? They seemed only to have laughed at him. Let’s look at the irresponsibility of that response. Wasn’t Ponnambalam’s suggestion less radical than a demand for federalism or separation?

    Maybe that 50-25-25 suggestion (or a negotiated version) was one way in which Sri Lanka could have become a really united nation, where it could have moved beyond ethno-nationalistic politics instead of being a country characterised by such flagrant abuse of majoritiarian power. It was because no protection was provided for minorities, that Sri Lanka became a basket case of a country throughout its years of independence.

    Let’s look at Jinnah’s 14-point plan for a united Muslim-Hindu India. Look at all the protections he demanded for Muslims.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points_of_Jinnah

    Only when INC rejected this did Jinnah slowly move toward separation. Perhaps the problem with Ponnambalam was that after his 50-25-25 demand was laughed at, he didn’t then take up the cause of separatism immediately, during the negotiations for independence. Maybe that would have moved the other side to negotiate and pre-empt all the ensuing blood shed on all sides.

    But, I admit, I don’t have a thorough understanding of the historical context then. I am looking at Ponnambalam’s demand in terms of abstract principle or ideals and democratic rights. After all, when the incipient nation’s constitution was still being hammered out, didn’t the minorities have a right to self-determination?

  • jansee

    SomewhatDisgusted:

    The high priest/monk who is all the embodiment of love, kind and consideration has spoken and with a magic wand in his hand is going to treat all Tamils as equals.

    For fifty plus years the Tamils have been seeking but the sort of chauvinism that belies the Sinhalese (not all though but these are in the very minority who can hardly make any difference) using the majority card had always denied any possible reconciliation, politically or otherwise. This high priest is talking of the problem of implementation. Well, you know what is the problem now. With your magic wand do something. Even if there is even an ounce of respect and dignity, please do sir, instead of joining the list of all those liars who tore the agreements and threw their promises into rubbish bins.

  • yapa

    In a discussion pertaining to the my post containing the article by Thomas Johnpullai, I think following points too should be taken into consideration.

    1. There has never been a Tamil kingdom outside the Jaffna peninsula. Eastern region claimed to be a part of so called Tamil Eelam was never ruled under a Tamil ruler.

    2. The rulers of so called “Jaffna Kigdom” were not Sri Lankan Tamils, but invaders belong to the Chola Dynasty and their ancestors. There has never been a local Tamil ruler. This shows that except for the period of invaders (Cholas, Portugese, Dutch and British) Jaffna peninsula was under Sinhala kings. Why don’t they consider these Sinhalese kings as their rulers? If Tamils consider Chola invaders as their rulers, why don’t they consider more recent other invaders (British, Dutch or Portuguese) as their rulers?

    3. There were no evidence of a Tamil kingdom before the invasion of Aaryachakrawathi (of Chola Dynasty of India).

    4. Jaffna kingdom prevailed under these invaders there, because it was difficult to pass through Elephantpaas to enter the Jaffna peninsula by Sinhalese armies.

    Even in the recent wars, Sri Lankan military got biggest damages in the battles in this region.

    5. The people of the jaffna peninsula were not able to resist this alien invader, as they were not strong enough to face the invader. In other parts of the island Sinhalese averted the attempts of the Chola invaders.

    6. There is no evidence that the dominant population of then Jaffna peninsula was Tamils. Evidence indicate otherwise. There are none or few ancient monuments or ruins of Tamils in the Jaffna peninsula, but Kandarodai (Kadurugoda) Dagobas and Nagadeepa Temple are classical examples for Sinhala Buddhist civilisation prevailed there. So many place names akin to Sinhala is another example.

    In my view most of the Sinhalese lived there were assimilated into Tamil community after Tamils became the dominant community in the region and some must have migrated to the other areas.

    7. Most of the Tamil population in the western and eastern regions, when Ceylon got the independence was consisted of non Sri Lankan Tamils. Most of them were brought down as workers from South India by Dutch and British colonials.
    Especially the Tamils of the eastern region came there under these European colonials. These regions were entirely ruled by Sinhalese rulers until European colonials captured them.

    Now its your responsibility to justify the claim of 1/3rd of land and 2/3rd of sea as the Traditional Homeland of Tamils (Tamil Eelam), which include not only the Jaffna peninsula, but also the entire eastern region which has never been under any Tamil ruler. Now it is your responsibility to decide who is the invader and who is not. Who is fair and who is not fair. Now it is your responsibility to ascertain whether Tamil propagandists are correct or not. Whether their propaganda and violent behaviour all over the world is justifiable or not. Who colonized whose lands.Dear Jaffna Tamil it is your responsibility to prove your statement “i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support.”

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    I would like to draw my special attention to the first paragraph of your post addressed to me. It goes as follows;

    ……………”Thank your for liking that article. Interesting viewpoint and I disagree with some points and agree with others. But firstly I do not think Mr. Johnpullai is a scholar of any repute. He is just just an average person just like you and me and he is entitled to his own opinion. As for his facts, a lot of it is unsupported and is directly contradicted by Wikipedia………………………………..

    Please don’t get excited to answer back, it might tend you to arrive into unjustifiable assumptions and conclusions. You waste your thanks by giving them to me for something you assumed true. How do you know that I like “that” article? How do you say that Mr. Johnpullai is not a scholar of repute. You say you think so. Please don’t arbitrarily think so. On the other hand how do you know that I am also not a scholar and an average man like you? I think we have never met before?

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    There is a Sinhalese saying, (I think you must know as you have said you had studied at Royal College), “Kalabaleta Koraheth Atha Danna Berilu”, which means you cannot put hand even into a pot in haste. I am not in hurry please reply peacefully.

    One more point, I think before going into other details we should discuss the contents in this article. You can disprove what you don’t agree in the article and strengthen what you agree with some more evidence. Until then I prefer if you can be around the topic in the discussion.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Correction;

    7. Most of the Tamil population in the nothern and eastern regions (NOT Most of the Tamil population in the western and eastern regions)

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Above post is mainly addressed to Jaffna Tamil, jansee, belle, eelam tamil, Lie Detector,nandasena, Cengal, KARUNA, Rukshan, Subramaniam Masilamany and Sam Thambipillai and others

    Thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/NoEalamInSL NoEalamInSL

    Jaffna Tamil,

    I want you to peep into article by DJ and my comment MR and SF http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/10/valedictory-for-a-season/#comment-14509 and leave a comment :)

    Talking about rights and ownership of Sri Lanka, read and re-read this post (Maria) and my comments and give up Eelam. You can argue until your hair become grey and your body become dust to the ground or to the air. You dont simply get Eelam.

    While I respect your interest in digging into history, I request you to respect the Identity of Sri Lanka and its values. Sri Lanka is a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religion society. The best solution is integration. all ethinic groups need to be integrated into one society, understanding and respecting each others and the common law. I like variety, diversity. I dont want to live in Sinhala only or Tamil only or Muslim only country. Take the Netherlands for an example. 180 nationalities live under Dutch DOMINANT society. Integration is the key factor of Dutch civil society.

    Off the cuff,

    Nice piece of info & source. Goed gedaan! Your Dutch is perfect :)
    “During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass.”

    Jaffna Tamil,

    See We still have people from our ancesters all over the world. Dutch will also want an Eelam. There are many people who loves Sri Lanka, unfortunately they Sri Lanka is too tiny to carve out. If you fuss too much, we will herd you to NOT to “No Fire Zone” this time, but to Tamil Nadu like Dutch did to the elephants, export! :)

    for more info: http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl

    NoEalamInSL

  • yapa

    Dear Lie Detector;

    I apologise if you are not in the category.

    Thanks!

  • jansee

    Yapa:

    You need not have bothered with this garbage history, if any truth lies in it. What is important now is that fifty years of our lives after independence has been one of mistrust, antagonism and anarchy with no light at the end of the tunnel. We have been splitting hairs and “spitting on each others faces” for far too long and there seems no solution that could keep these two strong-headed “families” in co-habitation and peace. I would call it a day and go for “you mind your business and I mind my business”. Too much animosity and bloodshed for a small island and no one with sense would believe that the Sinhalese will ever consider the Tamils or other minorities as equals. It is not just the race per se, but the greed that comes with majority power. Yapa, either you are citing ancient garbage, which has no relevance to what is happening to us now, to satisfy your ego or you are just part of the grand plan to hoodwink the Sinhalese peasants to ride on in power forever. Whatever it is, Tamils had enough of your politicking.

  • Dhiraj

    “Whatever it is, Tamils had enough of your politicking.”

    Well, unfortunately for you Tamils have no option at the present time but to be part of the Sri Lankan political system. Tamils are in no position to dictate terms.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Dar Yapa,
    A couple of points…
    As you know, We had separate Tamil and Sinhalese streams at Royal. Tamils didn’t learn Sinhalese and vice a versa, (which I think was a bad idea), so i am unfamiliar with the quote. Unlike you I have been able to back up my assertions with reputed sources. So lets stop obsessing about rice, OK?

    Unlike you I do not claim. –. “There has never been a Tamil kingdom outside the Jaffna peninsula. Eastern region claimed to be a part of so called Tamil Eelam was never ruled under a Tamil ruler”and “Jaffna kingdom prevailed under these invaders there, because it was difficult to pass through Elephantpaas to enter the Jaffna peninsula by Sinhalese armies. “.–

    I have Ibn Battuta’s contemporaneous observations from almost 700 years ago. . —Here a sourced and contemporaneous observation…
    —According to Ibn Batuta, a traveling Moroccan historian of note, by 1344, the kingdom had two capitals: one in Nallur in the north and the other in Putalam in the west during the pearling season.[5][31][41]—–
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_kingdom.
    My friend Yapa Puttlam….. That is further, much further south than Elephant Pass. If you don’t believe me check the Sri Lankan Map.–

    Second point is regarding Mr. Johnpullai, I do not know the man. But accrding to this link, he is an Econometrics Consultant, (http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/8/30970_space.html) what ever that means… His is not a sociologist or historian of any repute. When I mean “ordinary” i meant “layman”, I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I have a master’s level degree in Management but am no means an reputed historian or sociologist with an independent body of work. . I assumed you had similar or higher qualification than me, but not a sociologist or historian, mainly because of your apparent weakness in these subjects. But if you are a reputed sociologist or historian, I apologize

    Of course Buddhists AND hindus worshiped at Nagadeepa in Jaffna , just as katragama in the south was a Hindu shrine and Munneswaram (http://lankabhumi.org/munneswaram2003.htm) near chilaw was a hindu shrine . Nagadeepa is holy not because Sinhalese lived there but because the Lord Buddha visited that place. (http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/6/29369_space.html) According to some Hindu traditions, Lord Buddha is holy to the Hindus. because he is considered an avatar of lord Vishnu.

    I wish you would go beyond the 2/3 to 1/3 canards. I have admitted before that what happened before 1948, should stay before 1948. We can go around and around till the cows come home about who controlled what where and when. The only fair basis would be to start as things were on feb 4, 1948.

    Or we can continue fighting. If we go far enough, only the veddahs are entitled to the island. You Sinhalese should go back to Orissa, Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and other parts of India, and we Tamils should go back to Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra and Orissa and other Parts.

    HEY, WHAT A COINCIDENCE! WE WILL ALL GO BACK TO THE SAME PLACES!!!!! And become neighbors! And we can join the tech boom in those states, get jobs and live happily ever after. Let the Veddahs fix this doomed Island…..

    And my Sinhalese brothers, Yapa, OTC, Burning Issue and Co…
    You have been strangely silent about the Padaviya Panzers referred to in Tazie Vittachi’s Emergency 58. Do you have difficulty reading that section?

  • yapa

    Dear Jansee;

    Thank you for your post rich with the taste of literature. You say I don’t have to bother about the history, you name it garbage. It seems you prefer to be in the present forgetting the history. Same thing I was telling, and I addressed you on the same issue, please read.

    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/04/an-open-letter-to-the-remote-control-diaspora/#comment-14228

    This was your answer;

    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/04/an-open-letter-to-the-remote-control-diaspora/#comment-14309

    Here is another answer by you;

    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/04/an-open-letter-to-the-remote-control-diaspora/#comment-14373

    You also know how all other eelam advocates threaten Just Sinhalese masses in these threads.

    Now you have realized the value of equality. Was it equality you all were demanding during the past 50-60 years with undue propaganda all over the world and violence means ultimately to bring misery to this land and its people? Is it not the undue demand of the Tamils for 1/3rd of the land and 2/3rd of the sea just for a population of 12% as their traditional homeland, really has no legible claim? Was this not the root cause of this massive destruction? Still you are pointing finger at Sinhalese masses using eloquent rubbish language, who really were the victims of the undue land acquisition by Tamils with the help of the colonials who really made this problem for us. You are demanding everything, but don’t accept even the major errors taken place from your part, you want to hide them. People will never accept things preached in eloquent languages, but they sense right and wrong things.

    When we go to the root of the problem you feel uncomfortable. Why shouldn’t we try to find where it went wrong? Shouldn’t we diagnose the real problem to find a solution, rather than based on your emotional jargon?Rather than based on undue propaganda? Based on violence? Rather than undue influences and persuasion by international community? I was inviting you for a discussion to find the root cause, not to accept all my views. Why are you reluctant? you make me stunned saying that history has no relevance to what is happening to us now. (“Yapa, either you are citing ancient garbage, which has no relevance to what is happening to us now, to satisfy your ego or you are just part of the grand plan to hoodwink the Sinhalese peasants to ride on in power forever.). You are trying to take cover behind your excellent language skills(I must admit that). I think we should refrain from semantic strategies and emotional appeals if we really want to find truth. But most are doing the very thing. In Philosophy it is said that if take aside the problems arisen due to the usage of semantics, over 90% of the problems are solved. Really we make most of the problems due to the inappropriate use of language, both superior language and inferior language, but not the appropriate one.

    From the very beginning my position was all the communities of this country should live equitably, however, as a starting point one should accept the errors of their part and should stop pin pointing others blunders alone. Both parties should come to middle point. In the process they must be honest and should not pray for the destruction of the other party, carrying tale to international organisations or holding referenda to break a part of the country while talking for honesty. First we will have set our honesty correct. Until then your vouches not to give a moments rest to Sinhalese will not bear fruits.

    I think we should find naked truths, not facts to deceive others.

    I hope you will join the discussion.

    Thanks!

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Yapa and OTC,

    Mt dear dear, OTC,

    Please, stop obsessing about that single link on the website. You have repeated it 5 times without providing any alternate sources. You cite other sources, but don’t provide any link to them. You remind me of my son, when he was 5 years old, He used to plug his years with his fingers on go repeating what he said till his voice got hoarse. (Thank god , he has got over that habit now that he is 20) . I used to Tell him, “OK. OK, son, the rabbit you saw had three legs, now come and have your dinner”. I am saying the equivalent to you. I know that you believe that the link is genuine and that’s OK by me, now come back and join the discussion”.

    Fair enough?

    __________________
    Yapa says….
    —-
    One more point, I think before going into other details we should discuss the contents in this article. You can disprove what you don’t agree in the article and strengthen what you agree with some more evidence. Until then I prefer if you can be around the topic in the discussion.

    ____________

    Dear Yapa,
    I would respectfully tell you the same thing I told our friend OTC. I know that you believe what you have been indoctrinated is superior to Ibn Battuta’s contemporaneous 700 hundred year old accounts of his travels which have been accepted by scholars for centuries. It’s your right to make your won reality. Who am I to judge?

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Dear Belle,
    I will reply to your comments about 50-25-25 later. I apologize. I need to do some saturday chores. But I had to reassure Yapa and OTC that I was OK with their circular logic as they are only deceiving themselves. As long as their “ape anduwa fantasy” does not hurt one single Tamil or Sinhalese hair (which has not been true in the past) , all that is coming is hot air.
    Did you notice that these people who nitpick and analyze every statement, are strangely silent about the Excerpt from Tarize Vittachi’s book. Maybe they are learning their own history?
    Maybe our contribution here is helping to clear the years of indoctrination these apparently well meaning men have undergone.
    Have a wonderful day.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Oh Dhiraj!
    –Dhiraj said,

    February 13, 2010 @ 6:08 pm
    “Whatever it is, Tamils had enough of your politicking.”
    Well, unfortunately for you Tamils have no option at the present time but to be part of the Sri Lankan political system. Tamils are in no position to dictate terms.

    Apparently even the Sinhalese are in no position to dictate terms now., unless they are members of the Rajapakse family. For your own sake, I hope you are one of the Rakapakse clan.

    Otherwise join the club and suffer like the Tamils. My best wishes to you!

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    You are quite obsessed with kingdoms, and who ruled where, aren’t you? But how is this relevant to the concept of “homelands”? Homeland claims are about where people LIVED, not about who ruled them. So what is relevant here really is evidence of Tamil settlement and culture, not a military history of the island.

    You are obviously no scholar of history. Historians would know that you can’t look at the pre-modern past through the modern lens of nations and nationalisms. In the past, kings were quite happy to rule people of other ethnicities. They did not always try to re-settle the lands that they conquered with their own people. So to say that these areas now claimed by some Tamils as their homeland were ruled by Sinhalese kings, is neither here nor there–it is entirely irrelevant cos it doesn’t prove that Tamils didn’t live in those areas and that they hadn’t lived there for centuries.

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    I would be much happier if you could answer my post more specifically. It would be better if you can answer my post sentence by sentence or like, using specific wordings, omitting ambiguous language a little bit.

    Thanks!

  • Dhiraj

    “You Sinhalese should go back to Orissa, Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and other parts of India, and we Tamils should go back to Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra and Orissa and other Parts.”

    The Sinhalese are indigenous to Sri Lanka. There have been no Sinhalese kingdoms in India, nor has the Sinhalese language been spoken in any part of India. If you have any evidence of any group of people known as the Sinhalese in India please do let us know; you might revolutionise South Asian history and become really famous. The Sinhalese as a people came into existence in Sri Lanka. The Sinhalese language also developed entirely in Sri Lanka. They are both part and parcel of the island’s soil. The same cannot be said of the Tamil people or the Tamil language. In fact, even today, the repository of Tamil language, literature and arts is to be found in Tamil Nadu. Pretty much everything significant in Tamil civilization happened in what is now Tamil Nadu and parts of Kerala. But pretty much everything significant in Sinhalese civilisation happened in the island now known as Sri Lanka. The Tamil equivalents of Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa are not to be found in Sri Lanka, but in Tamil Nadu. I think the presence of Tamils in Sri Lanka can be likened to the presence of the French in England.

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    Since this noble idea seems to be yours—that one should accept the errors of their part and should stop pin pointing others blunders alone—why don’t you start the ball rolling? I have never seen you accepting any blame on your part. Instead you write reams and reams pointing fingers at others. I am sure you and OTC can win the prize in terms of numbers of words spent in blaming others. Apparently the other side is to blame for everything. Even our facility with the English language seems to be blameworthy!

    “In the process they must be honest and should not pray for the destruction of the other party, carrying tale to international organisations or holding referenda to break a part of the country while talking for honesty.”

    Ah, yes, honesty. Why should the party that got sent away from their own country, the party whose people found themselves in their senior years having to struggle to adapt in foreign lands, the party whose mothers, sisters, children were incarcerated by the hundreds of thousands, not try to break apart a country that never recognised even their humanity? Would it be honest to feel any other way? We can’t carry tales to international organizations, but you guys can commit war crimes against us? (Why do you think your government is scuttling to shut up Fonseka if there are no war crimes to hide?)

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    You say:- Unlike you I have been able to back up my assertions with reputed sources. So lets stop obsessing about rice, OK?

    Answer:- Monkey praises his own tail. -An old saying.

    Yousay:- Unlike you I do not claim. –. “There has never been a Tamil kingdom outside the Jaffna peninsula. Eastern region claimed to be a part of so called Tamil Eelam was never ruled under a Tamil ruler”and “Jaffna kingdom prevailed under these invaders there, because it was difficult to pass through Elephantpaas to enter the Jaffna peninsula by Sinhalese armies. “.–

    A:- It is natural you don’t claim it. It is no merit for you. Your responsibility is to disprove it.

    You say:- .”…………………………………My friend Yapa Puttlam….. That is further, much further south than Elephant Pass. If you don’t believe me check the Sri Lankan Map.–”

    A:_ This is an invader from Chola Dynasty. How could you possibly claim this as your your kindom. Very soon you will show the British colonial map of Sri Lanka and say, your kidom was all over Sri Lanka.

    You say:-”………………………………But if you are a reputed sociologist or historian, I apologize”

    A:- You think only sociologists and historians are Scholars? You should be careful not to do frequent mistakes to apologize later. One should think before jump.

    You say:-”………………………………….According to some Hindu traditions, Lord Buddha is holy to the Hindus. because he is considered an avatar of lord Vishnu”

    A:- Do you think this is really relevant and applicable here?.

    You say:-”…………………………..The only fair basis would be to start as things were on feb 4, 1948.”

    A:- All right, you are there to dictate terms and we are to accept as you say? That is your justice?

    You say:- “Or we can continue……………………………………………Let the Veddahs fix this doomed Island…..”

    A:- Work while you work, play while you play. Don’t get them mixed up. We are in a serious talk. Will crack jokes a bit later.

    You say:- And my Sinhalese brothers, Yapa, OTC, Burning Issue and Co…
    You have been strangely silent about the Padaviya Panzers referred to in Tazie Vittachi’s Emergency 58. Do you have difficulty reading that section?

    A:- you can see how Tamils were mainly limited to the Jaffna peninsula until European colonials captured Ceylon. How did Tamils came to Padaviya I think you must have now some knowledge if you went through my posts. AS you have said they have colonised land with the support of the government9Of the colonials in this case.)

    I think I have answered your post very specifically. I expect the same treatment from you.

    Thanks my friend!

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    You said “But i have a problem when the lands are colonized with Government support. As it has been happening since independence.”

    When a development is undertaken by any Govt it is paid for by ALL the Citizen’s of the country. As all (even a beggar) pays some form of tax to Govt. The beggar pays indirect tax when he gets on a bus or train as part of the fare is a fuel cost which is heavily taxed. Some others pay direct tax.

    Hence there is a per capita cost borne by every citizen for every Govt project.

    Due to this reason, any govt project should provide equal opportunity for its citizens to benefit by it. If a land development is carried out in the South for settlement purposes every ethnic group must benefit by it equally.

    Bambalapitiya in Colombo is the location of a Govt housing scheme. Members of every ethnic community has been allocated housing units there. It is the same at Narahenpita, Moratuwa, Maradana etc

    There was no cry from the South asking the Govt to exclusively allocate the housing units to the Majority community. There are many such housing schemes in the South but none of them are EXCLUSIVELY allocated to any community. This is EQUITABLE and should be so.

    Since the situation is as above in the South and has been so for ages what is the justification for objecting to the same principle being applied in the North and the East? Is that EQUITABLE?

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Jaffna Tamil,

    Interesting article by DJ http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/10/valedictory-for-a-season/#comment-14509 pls leave a comment :)

    Talking about rights and ownership of Sri Lanka, pls read and re-read this post (Marisa) and my comments and pls give up Eelam. You can argue until you become grey and yet you will not simply get Eelam.

    While I respect your interest in digging into Lankan history, pls respect the Identity of Sri Lanka and its values. Sri Lanka is a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religion society. The best solution to demands in such a diverse society is the integration. all ethinic groups need to be integrated into one society, one law, one country, one nation. Thats the challege we have. Diversity. Living in a Sinhala only or Tamil only or Muslim only country is rather less attractive. Take the Netherlands for an example. 180 nationalities live camourflaged in majority Dutch society. Integration is the key factor in Dutch civil society. Majority rule applies to every where. Another ex: English as the international language. French are unhappy. So does the Germans. But we need to make a choice. If I was born as Tamil, I will be more than to call my country Sri Lanka than Tamil Eelam. I would be even more happy if I can communicate in three langauges, Sinhala, Tamil. English. So I can learn, work and live more comfortably.

    Off the cuff,

    Nice piece of info & source. Goed gedaan! Your Dutch is perfect :)
    “During the 17th century the Company was engaged in a war of attrition with the king of Kandy, who had close ties with Ceylon’s Buddhist population. There was a narrow tongue of land at Elephant Pass a fort was built to guard the border with the king’s territory. Elephants captured on Ceylon were herded past here to Jaffna to be sold in India, hence the name Elephant Pass.”

    Jaffna Tamil,

    Dutch Govt will also have to give an Eelam or a separate to different groups since they also have so called “apsirations”. Integration is the solution. There are many people who loves Sri Lanka, unfortunately Sri Lanka is too tiny to carve out.

    NoEalamInSL

  • wijayapala

    Dear Belle,

    Maybe that 50-25-25 suggestion (or a negotiated version) was one way in which Sri Lanka could have become a really united nation,

    Actually, it most likely would have increased Sinhala resentment and perception that the minorities are more privileged. The environment would have been ripe for a revolution.

    **Unless you can point to ANY other nation where this sort of “quota democracy” was established.**

    A crucial aspect of democracy is giving people equal rights. That means that any individual should not have access to more power than others simply because he or she belongs to a community that has greater numbers in the nation.

    So you believe that an individual should have access to more power than others simply because she or she belongs to a comunity that has LESSER numbers?

    On the other hand, with Tamils having only 25% of seats, they could not have put through laws and policies that would serve only their interests.

    But with such an automatic vote block, they could impede any laws and policies until they serve only their interests.

  • wijayapala

    Dear Brother Yapa,

    The concept of “Tamil Eelam” has no historical basis before the 20th century. The concept arose in the 20th century as a result of mistreatment of the Tamils and a sense that they were safe only in non-Sinhala majority parts of the island (North and East). It is only after the sort of violence that JT mentioned above that certain Tamil leaders began to imagine Tamil nation in SL going back to dinosaur times.

    If you want to defeat Eelamism, you have to ensure peace and security for the Tamils. Ancient history is irrelevant. When the perpetrators of violence against Tamils argued that Sinhalese came first to the island (ape rata Sinhala ratai), the Tamils began to invent their own history.

    1. There has never been a Tamil kingdom outside the Jaffna peninsula. Eastern region claimed to be a part of so called Tamil Eelam was never ruled under a Tamil ruler.

    Depends on how you define “Tamil kingdom.” If we label the kingdoms of Anuradhapura as “Sinhala” because the rulers descended from pre-Buddhist invaders from N. India, then why can’t we say that subsequent Tamil invaders established “Tamil kingdoms?”

    2. The rulers of so called “Jaffna Kigdom” were not Sri Lankan Tamils, but invaders belong to the Chola Dynasty and their ancestors. There has never been a local Tamil ruler.

    Wouldn’t the same apply to Vijaya?

    To my knowledge, all of the Aryachakravartis except the first were born in SL.

    3. There were no evidence of a Tamil kingdom before the invasion of Aaryachakrawathi (of Chola Dynasty of India).

    What about Kalinga Magha?

    Aryachakravathis did not invade Jaffna, and they may have been Pandyans not Cholas.

    4. Jaffna kingdom prevailed under these invaders there, because it was difficult to pass through Elephantpaas to enter the Jaffna peninsula by Sinhalese armies.

    Even in the recent wars, Sri Lankan military got biggest damages in the battles in this region.

    5. The people of the jaffna peninsula were not able to resist this alien invader, as they were not strong enough to face the invader. In other parts of the island Sinhalese averted the attempts of the Chola invaders.

    Except in the 11th century, when the Cholas briefly took over most of the island.

    6. There is no evidence that the dominant population of then Jaffna peninsula was Tamils. Evidence indicate otherwise. There are none or few ancient monuments or ruins of Tamils in the Jaffna peninsula, but Kandarodai (Kadurugoda) Dagobas and Nagadeepa Temple are classical examples for Sinhala Buddhist civilisation prevailed there. So many place names akin to Sinhala is another example.

    How do we know that Kantarodai and Nagadeepa were not built by Tamil Buddhists? Nagadeepa and the Mahavamsa story of the warring Naga kings had an important part in Tamil Buddhist literature (Manimekalai).

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    Do you still believe your statement reproduced below is still valid?

    “I assume you can read as well as write. so please read my comments to Brother Wijepala. And who might you be to give a Ceylon Tamil any right? Its yours to give. You have stolen it, no doubt. Enjoy it while you can because it is not going to last long.”

    I think you didn’t have a proper knowledge about the particular issue at the time you posted the above comment.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    In a way, I like you very much. You crack jokes, you seem friendly while argiving for your views, not like many hard core Tamils demanding everything and threatening and cursing everybody around.

    However, I have a bit serious thing about one of your jokes which I too enjoyed very much. This is it;

    “………………Or we can continue fighting. If we go far enough, only the veddahs are entitled to the island. You Sinhalese should go back to Orissa, Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and other parts of India, and we Tamils should go back to Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra and Orissa and other Parts.

    HEY, WHAT A COINCIDENCE! WE WILL ALL GO BACK TO THE SAME PLACES!!!!! And become neighbors! And we can join the tech boom in those states, get jobs and live happily ever after. Let the Veddahs fix this doomed Island…………………”

    As you said we should not continue fighting. We should find a solution to live peacefully in this country on the basis of equity. For that I presume we should find a solution on the basis of Truth, reality and justice. I think demand for Tamil Eelam doesn’t contain these qualities at all. One cannot build a mansion on a mythical foundation. That is why I always of the view that we should go for naked truths, not for half or deformed or cooked truths.

    In your statement above, you say that “You Sinhalese should go back to Orissa, Kerala, Andhra, Tamil Nadu and other parts of India”

    I think is not very correct.

    (However, I love your idea, ………. “HEY, WHAT A COINCIDENCE! WE WILL ALL GO BACK TO THE SAME PLACES!!!!! And become neighbors! And we can join the tech boom in those states, get jobs and live happily ever after.”— I love the spirit in this part of statement.)

    WHO ARE SINHALESE ?

    According to the chronicle Mahawansa, Some people including many Sinhalese think that the Sinhalese are descendants of prince Vijaya who came here from Bengal in India. This is an entirely incorrect notion. People believe that Veddas are descendants of the the children of Vijaya and the local princess Kuveni. After chasing away Kuveni and the children, Vijaya brought another princes from India, but they didn’t have children from this marriage. Therefore it is incorrect to say that Sinhalese are descendants of Vijaya and this is a popular myth.

    On the request of King Vijaya, his brother king Sumith’s son Panduwasdev, came to “Lanka” to accept the throne after a one year of the death of king Vijaya, since Vijaya dinn’t have children to accept the throne of the country. his(Panduwasdev) Queen was the grand daughter of the King Suddodana’s brother Amithodana, named Baddakachchayana who came from India. Suddodana is the Skya king and father of Gothama (later became Gothama Budda), according to the chronical Mahawansa. That is why Sinhalese believe that they are descendants of the Lord Buddha’s family and proud to be known as the custodians of Buddhism.

    However, Mahawansa does not say, Sinhalese are Descendants of Aryan Sakya family. It is a popular myth even historians of this country seem to believe for unknown reasons. May be they also are proud to be called as relatives of the Lord Buddha. But, even according to the Mahawansa it is not the truth.

    To be continued…………………………….

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Dear Wijayapala;

    Thanks for the response. I have no any problem about giving all the communities equitable rights and I have clearly mentioned view of mine in many posts.

    My problem is the demand of one community of this country for inequitable rights over the other communities and the consequent problems arisen from it. I firmly believe that the demand for 1/3rd of the land and 2/3rd of the sea by 12% of the population is inequitable, unfair and unjustifiable. I firmly believe this inequitable demand is the main root cause of the present problem.Unless you address this notion and defeated or it is withdrawn by the party concerned I think this problem will never be resolved.

    However, even after the defeat of LTTE, the Tamil diaspora and the supporters of the former LTTE have not changed their demand and still demanding the same thing as LTTE. Aren’t they still asking for so called their traditional homelands? Are these homelands are different from the homelands demanded by the LTTE. Is there any indication to this effect? We can see everywhere they are threatening who are against their demands. If this is the case, are the present demands of the pressure groups of the Tamils are equitable , fair and justifiable?

    If they are fighting for unjustifiable demands, we should counterthem. We should use all the means to counter everything related to these unjustifiable demands. This is my position.

    I am trying to counter these unjustifiable notion and the pressure groups only. I have no problem with moderate Tamils who accept to live in peace and equitably in this country. I firmly believe that there is no justifiable reason to break an inequitable part from this country, as Tamil Eelam or traditional homelands of Tamils. My aim of writing in here is that.

    Dear brother Wijayapala;

    Tell me whether I am unreasonable?

    Thanks!

  • jansee

    Dhiraj:

    Oh yes, by the mere actions of the SL regime and the Sinhalese majority, and the ammunition not available to the Tamils when Prabhakaran was around, has become the best strategy for the Tamils. Keep on thinking and saying which would only reinforce the stregth of the Tamils’ argument – that the Sinhalese majority are just a recalcitrant lot with greed up to their ears and heads. All the Tamils need is patience and don’t resort to violence. By their very acts the Sinhalese will help the Tamils to achieve what Prabhakaran could not. Surely you are not ignorant of the buzz within the diplomatic community?

    Yapa:

    I do not for a second doubt your good intentions. There are grievances that the Sinhalese were sidelined during the British rule. I am not being blind to those injustices. However, after independence and with a majority in the boot, what is the problem with the Sinhalese to manage a country? Why the need for a Sinhala Only act, more so when this was done to fish for votes and turn the country into a racist society? The Tamils became the pawns for the Sinhalese politicking.

    To be honest, I sincerely thought that with the end of the war, there will be reconciliation and the Tamils, who had been battered by both sides, would be ushered into a new era of peace. Instead, the SL regime herded them into internment camps like animals with guns pointed at them. This was the last straw. The Sinhalese rather saw this as a rightful subjugation and rejoiced that Tamils now have to pay the price. Never mind that they have literally lost everything, including their pride. Even by conservative estimates from the UN, some 7000 civilians died and other reports have suggested this could be as high as 20000 or even 40000. Heck, these are the citizens of this country but if anyone tries to find out the truth, they are branded as traitors, as if reminding the Tamils that the country belongs to only the Sinhalese. If what SL is invested with (or infested with) is a streak of Buddhism, then it all explains the divided society we have become. No matter how hard or how much you try to argue, the Tamils know at their bottom of their hearts that the period of sanity is gone forever and all this talk of “middle ground” etc is just rhetoric, void of any sense of reality. What a disappointment – treating a dead person serves the interest of no one. The best time and opportunity to unite the country was dramatically and pathetically squandered by the SL regime and the Sinhalese majority and now asking the Tamils to look to the middle ground is not only a joke but treachery and deceitful.

  • Belle

    Wijayapala,
    Thanks for responding. This 50-25-25 idea is something I am really puzzled about, and previously all I encountered was unargued antipathy to the proposal.

    Yes, I suppose it would get the backs of the majority community up and cause protests. But only because they have an expectation of dominating other communities. Do they have a right to that expectation? It certainly goes against the basic principle of citizens’ equal rights in a democratic, multi-ethnic nation in terms especially of equal opportunities in job access and equal access to political and cultural power. Doesn’t a majority community have to make some sacrifice to keep the nation intact? Cos otherwise, there would be separatism claims.

    Yet 50-25-25 would still give the majority community more access to power than the minority communities. The latter can only challenge the power of the majority if they form total alliances with each other–and that would only happen in extreme cases of threat to minority rights. I mean in most usual circumstances, you can’t get political consensus even within one ethnic community.

    Perhaps it is really about “selling” the idea in a positive way and assuring the majority community that it is in their interests too.

    If the 50-25-25 deal would have caused a revolution from the Sinhalese, not taking it caused a revolution anyway, but from the other side.

    You said:
    “So you believe that an individual should have access to more power than others simply because she or she belongs to a comunity that has LESSER numbers?”

    No, absolutely not–they should have EQUAL rights irrespective of their numbers. But I think perhaps people don’t appreciate the really radical nature of democracy in its ideal of equal rights. Usually, EQUAL rights is interpreted as PROPORTIONATE rights–i.e. a community with 75% population should have 75% of the nation’s power, and those with say only 15% should have only 15% access to power. That’s very undemocratic, don’t you think? That reading of equal rights as proportionate rights usually works out in real life with a 75% population obtaining far more than 75% of the power because there is no need to assure the minorities that they will get even their proportionate share of access to power and opportunities.

    “But with such an automatic vote block, they could impede any laws and policies until they serve only their interests.”

    No, that would depend on parliamentary rules concerning passing of bills. If that is fixed at getting at least 60% of the vote, then the 25% automatic block vote can’t be a hindrance. On the other hand, the majority community can only pass laws and policies that serve both them and at least a section of the minorities. They would always have to take minority interests into account. The Sinhala Only Act and the Standardization policies could not have been passed.

    This 50-25-25 system could have seen the emergence of genuine multi-ethnic political parties who would field candidates in both majority and minority areas, instead of ethnicity-based political parties who have to form coalitions in order to rule. It could have promoted inter-ethnic alliances in the workers’ struggle too.

    Life can be surprising. By guaranteeing proper representation of minorities, we may find that the minorities will obsess less about ethnic issues and vote for the party that is more enlightened in terms of national policies.

    I can’t think of any society with such a quota system. There are proportional representation systems and mixed-member proportional voting which do offer fairer minority representation and many countries do use these. But people are still looking around for an ideal system.

  • yapa

    An addition to my post of February 14, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

    Dear Wijayapala;

    I think I have given sufficient evidence to the effect that demand of the Tamil Eelam(Traditional homelands of Tamils) is unjustifiable. Regarding this view Tamils can have two alternatives.

    1. Disprove my view. (or to prove that the demand of Tamil Eelam is justifiable)

    2. Accept my view.

    In case they go for the second alternative (if they give up the demand for Tamil Eelam), I think present problem of the country will be solved for ever.

    I think it is simple as that. I think they will consider about this simple plan.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Another addition

    In case Tamils disprove my view, Sinhalese will have to take all their steps back and accept the Tamil Eelam, as they have no further evidence to oppose their claim.

    So I think this is a sure way to solve this problem.

    Therefore, I hope all will take part in the endeavour.

    Thanks!

  • wijayapala

    Brother Yapa,

    I firmly believe that the demand for 1/3rd of the land and 2/3rd of the sea by 12% of the population is inequitable, unfair and unjustifiable. I firmly believe this inequitable demand is the main root cause of the present problem.

    The question we should ask is: how strong is this “demand” for 1/3rd of the land and 2/3rd of the sea?? If it turns out that this demand is not very strong, then we cannot say that it is the main root cause of the problem.

    Ilankai Tamil Arasu Katchi aka “Federal Party” in 1949 was the first to declare that North-East is Tamil homeland. However, the Tamil voters did not support ITAK in the 1952 elections. Why not? They only supported ITAK in the 1956 “Sinhala-Only” election. That gives us an idea that Sinhala communalism played a key role in the rise of the Eelam “main root cause.”

    However, even after the defeat of LTTE, the Tamil diaspora and the supporters of the former LTTE have not changed their demand and still demanding the same thing as LTTE. Aren’t they still asking for so called their traditional homelands?

    Yes they are- but so what?? Are the supporters of Eelam willing to return to SL to fight for this “homeland?”

    If they are fighting for unjustifiable demands, we should counterthem. We should use all the means to counter everything related to these unjustifiable demands.

    I agree, but some “counter-means” are effective while others are either ineffective or counter-productive.

    Bringing up ancient history won’t convince the Tamils to change their views, because as I pointed out earlier Eelam has nothing to do with ancient history. All that it does is encourage them to invent their own history and believe it, while rejecting anything that Sinhalese say.

  • wijayapala

    Brother Belle,

    Thanks for responding.

    You did not answer my key question, which I bolded and put in asterisks, **can you point to ANY other nation where this sort of “quota democracy” was established.**

  • jaffna tamil

    My friends Yapa, OTC, Belle and others… As you know it’s Valentines Day and I am doing my share of spreading joy and happiness! I will respond tomorrow as there have been a lot of issues brought up. But I would like to pose one question.
    There has been so much talk about pre indepencence Ceylon, who ruled where, how and what they did. Its all fun and games to talk about it but it doesnt help the future one bit. so HOW ABOUT WE MOVE FORWARD?
    Lets stop worrying about Dutagemunu and Ellara? And think about joing the 21is Century, Nay, 20th Century?

    I have said before that I thought 50-25-25 was a bad idea, just like brother Wijepala we think so much a like that its scary) and I never thought EELAM was a practical idea.
    Having said that, I think Bandaranike Chelvanayam was a great idea. What are your objections to that? It is almost in the same model as the FEDREAL States OF India AND THE usa.

    Any comments?

    .

  • Belle

    Dhiraj,

    “The Sinhalese as a people came into existence in Sri Lanka.”

    And they came into existence through inter-marriage with other communities, including the indigenous aboriginals and Tamils. Even Sinhalese kings were prone to marry women from the South Indian kingdoms, it seems.

    “The Sinhalese language also developed entirely in Sri Lanka. They are both part and parcel of the island’s soil. The same cannot be said of the Tamil people or the Tamil language.”

    Sinhalese language is descended from Sanskrit and Pali, both from India. The Sinhalese script is developed from the Indian Brahmi script.

    Sri Lankan Tamil is as different from Indian Tamil as Quebec French is different from Europe’s French language. Also, one can easily distinguish a SL Tamil from an Indian Tamil, but not a Sinhalese person from a SL Tamil person.

    “The Tamil equivalents of Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa are not to be found in Sri Lanka, but in Tamil Nadu.”

    Uhm, yes. Isn’t it strange that the equivalents of Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa can be found so close to Sri Lanka, like right next door!

  • Belle

    Wijayapala,
    You did not answer my key question, which I bolded and put in asterisks, **can you point to ANY other nation where this sort of “quota democracy” was established.**

    But, yes, I did answer your question–I said that I couldn’t think of any nation where what you call “quota democracy” was established.

    However, it does seem that there is such a country after all: Bosnia and Herzegovina. Check this out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

  • jaffna tamil

    An quick response to Brother Wijepala;s question -You did not answer my key question, which I bolded and put in asterisks, **can you point to ANY other nation where this sort of “quota democracy” was established?-

    There is one place I know where quota politics was established and that was and is an unmitigated Disaster– Its LEBANON.–

    “Since the emergence of the post-1943 state, national policy has been determined largely by a relatively restricted group of traditional regional and sectarian leaders. The 1943 National Pact, an unwritten agreement that established the political foundations of modern Lebanon, allocated political power on an essentially confessional system based on the 1932 census. Seats in parliament were divided on a 6-to-5 ratio of Christians to Muslims, until 1990 when the ratio changed to half and half. Positions in the government bureaucracy are allocated on a similar basis. The pact also by custom allocated public offices along religious lines, with the top three positions in the ruling “troika” distributed as follows:

    * The President, a Maronite Christian;
    * The Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim, and
    * The Speaker of the Parliament, a Shi’a Muslim.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Lebanon

    And we know how Lebanon has turned out to be!

    Ethnic quotas never work. But Federalism works! It works in the USA (the ethnically most mixed population in the world) and India (the most diverse population on earth).

    I ask the Sinhalese? WHat would happen if the Bandranaike Chlvanaykam Pact had been implemented? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandaranaike%E2%80%93Chelvanayakam_Pact)

    Companies from Colombo, Galle, Anuradapura, Kurunagala, Moratwa and Kandy would have been competing with companies from Jaffna, Batticaloa and Trincomalee to build computer Hard drives for Seagate or microchips for Intel and provide software design for Citibank and Bank of America.

    WHat would have been the downside? If I may ask Yapa, OTC and Co? What would have actually been the downside to this?

    Brother Wijeyapala. I am amazed at your knowledge of Tamil history and touched by your sense of fairness. I wonder if you would be interested in corresponding outside this web? If you feel like doing so I would feel deeply honored. But if you do not, I understand.

    If I may take the libery of quoting RObert Kennedy twice…
    “In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.””http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPYNb4ex6Ko

    And ”
    “There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”
    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFsMCXXAWI0

    Happy Valentine’s Day. my friends

  • jaffna tamil

    Yapa”

    You quote —You say:- And my Sinhalese brothers, Yapa, OTC, Burning Issue and Co…
    You have been strangely silent about the Padaviya Panzers referred to in Tazie Vittachi’s Emergency 58. Do you have difficulty reading that section?–

    I suggest that you learn about the History of the Padaviya Panzers—
    The Panzers were from Padavia. Like the German Panzer Tanks were from Germany. The people who were being attacked were not from Padavia like the people who were attacked by the German Panzers were not from Germany.

    Please, please learn more about the post independence Sri lanka. Read Tarzie Villachi, Read Justice Alles.

    And even if the Tamils were from Padaviya, I don’t hear a word of criticism for you, I dont expect any regret as you had nothing to do with it.

    As for the pre colonial history, I would be only repeating Brother’ Wijepala’s responses…of February 14, 2010 @ 9:49 pm and February 14, 2010 @ 6:57 am.
    It would be a waste of my time and your time.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Belle,

    You stated “In the past, kings were quite happy to rule people of other ethnicities. They did not always try to re-settle the lands that they conquered with their own people. So to say that these areas now claimed by some Tamils as their homeland were ruled by Sinhalese kings, is neither here nor there–it is entirely irrelevant cos it doesn’t prove that Tamils didn’t live in those areas and that they hadn’t lived there for centuries.” (February 13, 2010 @ 8:29 pm)

    Your statement above does not prove that the Sinhalese did not live in the area that is claimed as an exclusive Homeland either.

    Both Communities lived in the North and the East. Hence it is not Equitable to claim an Exclusive Traditional Tamil Homeland. We write what we write in order to defend the right of ANY Sri Lankan to Live anywhere within the geographic borders of the Island of SL

    Hence I will defend the right of a Tamil to settle in the South.
    I will defend the right of a Muslim to settle in the South
    I will defend the right of any other ethnic group to settle in the South
    As long as they are, SL citizens.

    I will defend similar rights of the Sinhalese, Muslims and other ethnic groups to live in the North and East.

    Would you do the same?

    If you agree that this should be so we don’t have an argument about Tamil Homelands.
    If you don’t agree I sure would like to know why you write about “Equal Rights”.

    Please read my post linked below which deals with the same subject in more detail.
    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/04/an-open-letter-to-the-remote-control-diaspora/comment-page-3/#comment-14589

  • yapa

    Dear JaffnaTamil;

    Thanks, friend reminding about a happy day! We are now old folk and have no much concerns about the days belong to young. I envy you, you seem to belong to the fortunate folk.

    ……………….I have said before that I thought 50-25-25 was a bad idea, just like brother Wijepala we think so much a like that its scary) and I never thought EELAM was a practical idea.
    Having said that, I think Bandaranike Chelvanayam was a great idea. What are your objections to that? It is almost in the same model as the FEDREAL States OF India AND THE usa……………………………………….

    I agree with you that this is a good starting point, if Tamils honestly agree to discuss upon. Many Sinhalese will agree to start discussion from that point onwards. What is needed is building mutual trust. We should take all the necessary and possible actions to lessen the mistrust between two communities. I think it will not be that difficult. I myself have many Tamil friends working with me who have many common ideas with us, naturally with differences too. To them I believe Sinhalese are not demons and for us they too are not demons. We share common ideas. Sometimes we fight together against a nasty act of a Sinhalese brat. However, we prefer not to talk this ethnic issue among ourselves, as we don’t want to hurt each others feelings. I think the mutual trust still is prevailing in many places. What we need according to me is to make up a mindset with some enmity towards others. I think it is not impossible with a moderate idea like this coming from the Tamil community. If Tamils whole heartedly come forward with such a view I don’t think many Sinhalese can oppose. I am whole heartedly of the view that any opposition of the rest of the Sinhalese to such a moderate idea should be averted.

    I think if this idea or similar one can come as a common view of the Tamil community, I think rest will not be that difficult.

    Bravo, I congratulate and salute your moderate idea in a difficult time.

    ” Nahi verena veraini
    Kammathicha kudachanam
    Averechana kammanthi
    Etha dammo sanaththano”

    Thanks!

  • London Dole

    Jaffna tamil,

    Seems like you’ve been struck by cupid’s arrow. Oh cupid, please come around more often and give us a break from ‘jaffna tamil’.

    Hope you had a good valentine’s day, jaffna tamil !

  • Belle

    Wijayapala,
    I’ve been doing some reading and there are other nations with such quotas, though in some cases the quotas are based on religion or political affiliations rather than race or ethnicity. Burundi and Lebanon are those with types of ethnicity quotas, and this is employed in Belgium too in the federal government level. The Netherlands used to have such a system until 1960s (now it has other ways of power-sharing). In Northern Ireland, laws can’t be made without consensual participation from those of different political persuasions, i.e Unionists or Nationalists.

    But lots of other countries do in effect have ethnic quota systems except that they are not called that. The federal system of countries like Switzerland, Austria, Canada, India in effect provide for minority representation at both the provincial/state/cantonment and federal government levels. Other countries use proportional representation systems and single vote transfer systems to ensure better representation of minorities. A few countries give minorities access to ‘direct democracy’ facilities where they can overturn majoritarian policies/laws by a referendum among the community.

    Britain now is seeking to impose quotas to increase the number of women and non-whites in Parliament. Rwanda has a quota for women in parliament.

  • Belle

    Off the Cuff,
    “Your statement above does not prove that the Sinhalese did not live in the area that is claimed as an exclusive Homeland either.”

    No, it doesn’t. But then, I am not interested in chasing after ghosts of the ancient past. I am not a historian or archaeologist and won’t pretend to be one. If these areas were occupied by Tamils when the nation was being formed, then that is their homeland. But I am no Eelamist. However the areas that they occupied at the founding of the nation needs to be respected in order to ensure that they obtain representation in Parliament. It is only by living together in concentrated communities that minorities can hope to vote their own community members to represent their interests.

    “We write what we write in order to defend the right of ANY Sri Lankan to Live anywhere within the geographic borders of the Island of SL”

    You champion that so called right to live anywhere in SL because you know that is one sure way to dispossess the Tamils even more than they already are. If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now. Within such a context, there is a term for settling the majority in minority-occupied areas: it’s called “colonization”. And this scandalous act is already happening in the North and East, thanks to Rajapaksa. Instead of settling displaced Tamils in their homes, Sinhalese are being paid money to settle in Tamil areas, while the IDPs wonder around homeless.

    Please don’t pretend to be a champion of equality. And please don’t think that others are so stupid as to be taken in by your rhetorical twisting of concepts of equality. Equal rights is not about claiming that minorities and majorities are equal–it is about recognising the need to augment the power of the minorities so that they don’t end up being overwhelmed by the majority.

    According to your type of argument, disabled people have no right to facilities to help them because these same facilities are not given to non-disabled people!

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    “…………………………If these areas were occupied by Tamils when the nation was being formed, then that is their homeland……………………………..”

    ……..when the nation was being formed…………….?

    Can you mention specific point of time or period of time, wrt the above please, to understand what you exactly mean?

    Thanks

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    Please also be specific and mention exactly what you mean by “Tamil Areas” in your statement reproduced below. Is it the same area of 1/3rd of the land including whole Northern and Eastern regions of the Island, claimed by the LTTE ? If not please mention the demarcations.

    “……………………If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now……………………………………………….”

    This is a good indicator to see whether you are not an Eelamist as you said.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Dear Jansee;

    We should really admit the grievances of the Tamil in the present time. Also we should accept that this is not a period under normalcy. This is a time just after a long lasting battle. In my view it is natural after any battle, defeated party does not get the same treatment for some time. This happened in Germany, Japan, and Italy after the WW-II. I don’t think you can name any different place in the whole world. This situation is prevailing here not because opposition is mainly consisted of Sinhalese/Buddhists, but because it is the way after any battle.

    Now you say some 7000 civilians died and other reports have suggested this could be as high as 20000 or even 40000. (I think vast differences in the figures themselves show the low credibility level of these statements). However, I don’t deny the possibility of civilian deaths in a battle. Do you know how many (Sinhala) civilians were killed in the uprisings in 1971 and 1989 in the South. It is said that 25,000 people were killed in 1971 and and 60,000 were killed in 1989. Any international organisation had no much heed to these “numbers”. Most among these are I presume civilians. All the people killed were Sinhalese people. Offensives were launched by Sinhalese dominated governments. Many Sinhalese were kept in camps I think for a more time period than Tamils.
    Can you say Sinhalese were differently treated in an offensive than Tamils?

    Really what you say is not a discrimination of Tamils over Sinhalese. It is the way offensives are handled ( at least in the countries like us) and wars are. What you say about deaths of Tamil civilians is not an exception, but it is the reality of war.
    (I don’t say we should not repent on this, but it doesn’t mean that we can be emotional or prejudiced in finding a solution)

    I think it is incorrect to attribute such uprisings and consequences to discrimination or ill-treatment of a segment of society. In my view, colonial legacy, poverty, inequitable distribution of wealth and resources and blunders of the politicians belong to all communities are some of the prominent causes of this multi-rooted problem. By just finding an easy, emotionally comfortable and advantageous hypothetical cause for the problem will not solve anything. We need an objective analysis and should find out real root causes of the problem and try to formulate a solution based on the findings. Just forming opposing subjective “causes” and fighting and shouting like babblers with each other won’t do any good. For this I think we all should keep our prejudices away and take an honest endaevour to resolve this cancer of our . We cannot cry forever over spilt milk!

    Thanks!

  • jaffna tamil

    Dear Yapa,
    How do we go from here. As you say, Bandaraikae Chelvanaayakam is a good starting point.
    We tamils have no political, economic and military power now. The BC pact was abrogated by SWRD. But the 13th Amendment is the grandchild of BC.

    Would you support the 13th Amendment?
    And what do you expect from the Tamils? Remember we have nothing to give except empty rhetoric, not because we don’t want to but we have nothing. You cant squeeze water out of stone.

  • jaffna tamil

    “London Dole said,
    February 15, 2010 @ 7:01 am
    Jaffna tamil,
    Seems like you’ve been struck by cupid’s arrow. Oh cupid, please come around more often and give us a break from ‘jaffna tamil’.
    Hope you had a good valentine’s day, jaffna tamil !

    being a sensible man, I know what is good for me. If I do not observe the “valentines day”, I have another 364 days to repent in leisure. Since I do not particularly like to sleep on the sofa, I do the sensible thing.

    As they say, “Remember Cupid or be stupid!

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Jafna Tamil,

    Just to convey a good news. My family and friends in Sri Lanka have been to Jaffna and North of Sri Lanka after 30 years!

    I invite you and your family to my house in most southern tip of Sri Lanka next year.

    I love to get along people like you who realizes finally Eelam is not working (“I never thought EELAM was a practical idea.”)!

  • jaffna tamil

    Dear Yapa and Belle,

    I agree and disagree with the following statement –…”If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now……………………………………………….””

    if there is natural migration is allowed, for example. the average Silva deceides to move to Jaffna, buy a plot of land and start a shop or by a farm (using his own money or financing without a penny of government support) , I and almost all the Tamils I know will be all for it. It the mid sixties, most of the Jaffna Bakeries were owned by Sinhalese and were very popuar. But if they are colonized on public land, land that withhelf from the Tamils, and then have an any unit posted nearby, then the migration is forced and the Tamils will be against it. Unfortunately, forced migration has been happening in the north and east since indepence. And that was a major cause of friction. It is still going on now.

    Yapa, can you categorically say that you are for natural migration and against force migration, like I have?

  • jaffna tamil

    Yapa,

    you say…Now you say some 7000 civilians died and other reports have suggested this could be as high as 20000 or even 40000. (I think vast differences in the figures themselves show the low credibility level of these statements). However, I don’t deny the possibility of civilian deaths in a battle. Do you know how many (Sinhala) civilians were killed in the uprisings in 1971 and 1989 in the South. It is said that 25,000 people were killed in 1971 and and 60,000 were killed in 1989.

    I know what happened in 1971. A familt friend who lived near the kelani River told us at that time that he saw tens of bodies floating down the river. That was one day in a period of few hours. It was tragic. We Tamils were at fault for not demanding an inquiry t learn what happened to the young men and women of the JVP. Just as there was no demand from the Sinhalese for the account of people killed in the 58, 77 and 83 riots. You and I could not do anything then as we were probably too young and no one would have listened to us.

    On the other hand you cannot cavalierly dismiss the numbers f civilians killed in
    last few months of fighting. We do not know becuase the there was no independent assessments because the SL government did not allow the UN or Red Cross in the war zone. That is patently dishonest and I expected better from you.

    Just becuase you didn’t hear a tree fall in the forest or closed your ears when that happened, does not mean that the Tree didnt fall. Allow someone with good vison, hearing and the sense of smell to go to the Jungle.

  • jaffna tamil

    OTC—
    You say

    —-Hence I will defend the right of a Tamil to settle in the South.
    I will defend the right of a Muslim to settle in the South
    I will defend the right of any other ethnic group to settle in the South
    As long as they are, SL citizens.

    I will defend similar rights of the Sinhalese, Muslims and other ethnic groups to live in the North and East.

    Would you do the same?—

    YES, YES and YES. AS Long as it is natural migration, Silva goes to Jaffna with his family, buys a plot of land and starts a shop or farm, I am all for it.

    But if Silva is given state land along with 100 other Sinhalese and no Tamil is allowed to share in the land grant) , paid a subsidy by the government and an army unit is sent to protect the colonizers , absolutely not. NO, NO No!

    Unfortunately that is what has been happening since 1948 (re. Tarzie Vittachi, Emergency 58)

    Can you understand the distinction?

  • wijayapala

    Brother Belle,

    But, yes, I did answer your question

    My apologies.

    Brother JT gave a good answer for Lebanon, and the same applies to a certain extent to places like Bosnia, Burundi, and N. Ireland. I don’t entirely disagree with power-sharing but it has to be carefully designed.

    I disagree with having zero-sum quotas in the legislature (where one group will have greater representation at the expense of another group) but it may not be a bad idea for the Cabinet as Belgium does. With the recent tragedies in the North and East, I also think that the university and public employment policies should be reversed to benefit Tamil-speakers. I would not oppose quotas on those areas.

  • wijayapala

    Brother NoEalamInSL,

    I love to get along people like you who realizes finally Eelam is not working

    That is good open-minded thinking but please pay attention to the other things that Brother JT is saying, like his concern about colonisation.

  • wijayapala

    Dear Brother JT,

    However, the Bandaranaike Chevanaykam Pact had a solution. A Federal North and East baed on Nehru’s ingenious solution for India.

    I am not a supporter of federalism for a number of reasons, none of which have anything to do with distrust of Tamils or fear of separatism. If I had to choose I would go with power-sharing over federalism. I would rather see minorities get more power at the central government.

    I disagree with federalism because it is less efficient than unitary. Instead of one government implementing one set of policies, there are dozens which often work at cross-purposes. Perhaps this is necessary for large countries like India or US, where certain states are big enough to become their own country, but I think SL is too small for devolution to work. The Provincial Councils have been a failure and not many people want to see them strengthened.

    Nehru did not invent federalism in India, just as the Sinhalese did not invent the unitary state in SL. Both were leftovers from the British. With India, both the Congress party and Dr. B.R. Ambedkar (the father of Indian constitution) wanted to create a stronger, more centralized government. That is why they allowed for “President’s Rule” if states went down the wrong path. Nehru modified the federal inheritance from the British by reorganizing along linguistic lines, but he did not convert a unitary state into a federation (which would have been much more difficult).

    Federalism has not necessarily helped all parts of India. There are strong performers like Tamil Nadu and Karnataka, but then there are impoverished places like Bihar and Jharkhand. Federalism will benefit rich areas like Western Province but will leave other places like Uva or Northern Province to fend for themselves.

    I prefer something closer to GG Ponnambalam in an upper chamber like the US Senate having representation by district. Out of 25 districts, 8 are in the northeast (almost 1/3, not counting Colombo and Nuwara Eliya which have large minority populations). That would benefit the minorities without explicitly giving quotas to them. However, we would have to determine how much power this chamber should have. US has a powerful Senate but India has a weak Rajya Sabha.

    However, I understand and accept that as long as the system is lopsided against Tamils, the Tamils will ask for federalism. Therefore I have no hard feelings against Tamils for asking for federalism. I would rather treat the root cause (lopsided system) than the symptom (asking for federalism).

  • wijayapala

    Brother Belle,

    If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now.

    Not true. Sri Lanka has a proportional representation system which won’t be affected by demographic shifts. Sinhala colonisation of Batticaloa, for example, won’t have any impact on the nationwide proportion of Sinhalese to Tamils. The Sinhala areas that get depopulated will lose seats (representation) relative to colonised areas that will gain the lost seats, leaving the Tamils with what they had before.

    If SL reverts to the constituency system, or implements the 2nd chamber idea I mentioned to Brother JT, then demographic shifts can have an adverse impact on minorities.

  • Jaffna Tamil

    Dean NoeelaminSL

    -Jafna Tamil,

    Just to convey a good news. My family and friends in Sri Lanka have been to Jaffna and North of Sri Lanka after 30 years!

    I invite you and your family to my house in most southern tip of Sri Lanka next year.

    I love to get along people like you who realizes finally Eelam is not working (“I never thought EELAM was a practical idea.”)!-

    I am glad that you have been able to go to Jaffna, I have not been there physically since 1982 though I have visited it many times in my dreams. I thank you for ou invitation. I would like to visit the galle fort. I used to stay at a friend’s house inside the fort and had many fun times and visted the chinese restaurant. At this place, the open toiletwas right next to the kitchen, seprated by wooden planks. I still dont know how I escaped cholera or dysentry!

    We Tamils never thought Eelam was a practical idea, we never asked the British unlike the Pakistanis, because we beilved in a united Ceylon. But as brother Wijepala eloquently describes elsewhere on this site, we were pushed to demanding it because of the stupid cruelty of the succesive Sinhalese governments. becuase there is none as dangerous as a cornered man.

    Unless the Sinhalese come to their senese and go back to the Bandaranike Chelvanayakam or a similar model, the demand wll start again and we can go through another 62 years of this death spriral.

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THE TAMILS?

    “………………………..And what do you expect from the Tamils? Remember we have nothing to give except empty rhetoric, not because we don’t want to but we have nothing. You cant squeeze water out of stone…………………………………..”

    Please don’t under estimate yourselves. See what you already have done. You offered a friendly hand to Sinhalese, I think you can see the change taken place in this discussion. I think this is just a simple start. Please see the statement of NoEalamInSL above. When you offer good heart, you aloe get the same thing.

    Still I am also clueless how to proceed and where to go. But when you offer an attitude with enmity, when you build up the trust between concerned parties, I think half the battle is won.

    Ohoma yun! Ohoma yun!!

    Thanks!

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear J Tamil,

    All the housing schemes I mentioned in the South are Govt Subsidized.

    Protection by the Army is not needed in the South as the Minorities who were allocated housing within the schemes were not under Threat by the Southern Majority who accepted them.

    In contrast the Sinhalese who were settled in the East/North were under threat by the Tamils. Hence the need for protection. The Tamils considered that the Sinhalese were Aliens and had no right to be in the N/E. While in the South the Tamils were accepted.

    That JT is the crux of the matter. The Northerners refuse to accept the Sinhalese and even the Muslims in the North while they are accepted in the South.

    This attitude of the Northerners is a major cause for Continued strife.

    In Singapore Ethnic quotas are maintained in Govt Housing. Nothing of the sort is done in SL. Those who hold Singapore as an example should keep that in mind.

    By The Way – The Hypothetical Silva Cannot buy land in Jaffna. The Thesawalami Law stands in the way.

  • jansee

    Yapa:

    What happened in Germany, Italy and Japan after WW-II cannot be justifiably cited as a comparison to the SL situation. For one, these countries were defeated by aliens of these countries. In SL the idps are the citizens of this country. Definitely the comparison defies logic and reason.

    The brutal oppression of the Sinhala youths, as in the instant case of the fued between MR and SF, a southern political phenomenon. Not that Tamils were mute spectators but the sporadic statements from a few Tamils against the state oppression meant little or nothing, as in the current unsettling phase, and this is because of the numbers – the Tamils have hardly any say. Where in the world have the minorities ever made any meaningful difference or impact when the majorities go for each others throats. For just supporting Sheikh Hasina, Khaleda Zia (Bangladesh) tormented the minorities and in the SL situation the TNA faces the same or even worse retributions from the MR regime. Notwithstanding, those Tamils who are beyond the reach of the SL regime would raise issues such as the treatment to SF.

    “I think it is incorrect to attribute such uprisings and consequences to discrimination or ill-treatment of a segment of society.”

    Of course, the whole word is “discrimination”. In the Sinhlaese case mostly those who were suspected as having acted against the state in a violent manner were ent to the camps. We are talking about civilians in the Tamils case. Yes, there were LTTEs in there but it is nonsense to cite just this when the regime could filter terrorists into Colombo. If I have heard it correctly, the SL regime wanted to anihiliate as many able Tamils by confining them to these camps. Yes, SL regime wanted to teach the Tamils a lesson and physically and psycologically brutalise them. I am surprised that this is known to many but not to you.

    “We need an objective analysis and should find out real root causes of the problem and try to formulate a solution based on the findings.”

    Well, we can start with the truth and reconciliation process as in South Africa, overtures made by Bishop Desmond Tutu. Would this ever happen in SL? It would be better for you to read what and how this was done in South Africa, a country that came to grips with a horrendous past. Of course, SL is not South Africa and not one, even one monk or prelate can ever be the stature of Desmond Tutu. Enough said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NoEalamInSL NoEalamInSL

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    You are jumping from unitary to sanitary, stay focussed JT, Stay focussed. Stick to one thing. Stick to what you thought “Eelam” not practical,

    Good to hear that you have been to Galle, but pitty, you never had a chance to visit your home town, Jaffna. Even more embarrassing when a nice person like you, bearing a name of a city never been.

    The most important think is, make sure we creat an enivronment for you to visit Galle and me to visti Jaffna next year. We will work towards achieving that goal.

    Lets forget about what your uncles have done to your people, we start from the begginning. A new chapter.

    Give up Eelam, Let us, Tigers and Lions, conquer the world!

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    I regret that I have wasted about 2 weeks on this site trying to reason and arrive at some kind of consensus which would move Sri Lanka forward, but has been an exercise in futility.
    There is an element of small mindedness, nitpicking, willful blindness that does not seem to allow the discussion to move forward! ‘

    Let me give an example. When I meant the genius of Nehru in developing the Fereral system in India, I get nitpicked about not Nehru because the
    . — Both were leftovers from the British. With India, both the Congress party and Dr. B.R. Ambedkar (the father of Indian constitution) wanted to create a stronger, more centralized government. That is why they allowed for “President’s Rule” if states went down the wrong path. Nehru modified the federal inheritance from the British by reorganizing along linguistic lines, but he did not convert a unitary state into a federation (which would have been much more difficult).–
    That is exactly what I meant. He saw the dangers of a centralized government and pushed for a Federal system, against a lot of opposition. You are saying exactly the same thing but arrive at a different conclusion! Ane when I meant Nehru is was son a figurative sense and I thought it would be obvious to a mature mind. Its like Saing Rajapakse and Fonseka won the war! Same Idea.

    —Federalism has not necessarily helped all parts of India. There are strong performers like Tamil Nadu and Karnataka, but then there are impoverished places like Bihar and Jharkhand. Federalism will benefit rich areas like Western Province but will leave other places like Uva or Northern Province to fend for themselves.—

    One cannot blame the poverty of Bihar on the Federal system.Of course the system is not perfect. There other issues in Bihar like the caste stystem, infertile lands which are not a problems in Sri lanka. It would have been the same under any other system. Why not look at the successes? Why look at the failure? Why not look at the failure of the centralized system? It has failed the north and east miserably! . And the south central and west too! –

    Here is the Genius of Nehru and the Failure of Jinnah! A strong fedral system with has kept India together. A weak system in Pakistan broke the country about within 24 years and it has never covered. A centralized system in Sri Lanka has made it the Sick Man of Asia! And still you maintain that you are against a federal system.

    The only reason why Sri Lanka is better off than its equivalent in the Americas, Haiti is because mother nature has been kinder to it.

    Its been a frustrating two weeks at this website.

    Let me leave this site with a qoute from a very wise man,
    Lee Kwan Yew.
    -Riots — we’ve seen Sri Lanka, when they switched from English to Sinhala and disenfranchised the Tamils and so strife ever after. –

    http://sundaytimes.lk/070902/International/i516.html

    `In 1965, we had 20 years of examples of failed states. So, we knew what to avoid – racial conflict, linguistic strife, and religious conflict. We saw Ceylon.`

    Earlier this month a retired Thai diplomat, Sompong Sucharitkul, said Singapore opposed the entry of Sri Lanka to Asean when it was founded in 1967 because the country was viewed as unstable.

    In 1967 the Sri Lanka was run by Prime Minister Dudley Senanayake in a shaky coalition with the Federal Party. His attempts to solve the ethnic question failed when proposals to devolve power was withdrawn amidst opposition.

    Sompong said a discussion was held on August 06 and two ministers from Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) were in an adjacent room.

    `I remember one was an economics minister. He waited there anxiously for a signal to join the discussion but it never came,` Sompong told Thailand`s The Nation newspaper.

    http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2007/8/18860_space.html

    I wish you the best of luck with your FAILED STATE!

    Till you people wake up and understand that you are in the 21st Century, Sri Lanka will continue its death Sprial!

    And here are some words from one of the wisest men of all time!
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein, (attributed)
    US (German-born) physicist (1879 – 1955)

  • Jaffna Tamil…

    To those who – prefer something closer to GG Ponnambalam in an upper chamber like the US Senate having representation by district. –

    There was an upper chamber called the Senate, till 19730— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Ceylon. It was a failure.

    And what would direct elections from districts achieve? It would be parallel to the elections to the Parliament.
    The US senate is so powerful because there are two senates assigned to each state. Wyoming with half a million people has the same number of Senators has California with 36 million.

    The sun would rise from the west before the Sinhalese would agree to such a structure!

    Get Real!

  • wijayapala

    Brother JT,

    I wish you the best of luck with your FAILED STATE!

    Why are you so upset all of a sudden? You were just beginning to open up.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    Sorry to hear about your decision to leave.

    In my first interaction with you JT, you came in with a bang with all guns blazing (ref http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/02/yes-i-am-tamil/comment-page-4/#comment-14163)

    We have been able to put such vitriol behind us and arrive at much more moderation.

    Leaving is a personal decision but hope you would stay back and contribute positively

  • jansee

    Jaffna Tamil:

    We have “whacked” each other in this column. Groundviews has provided such a wonderful space to discuss in a “gentlemanly” way. Sometimes I get besotted with work and family matters, and hard pressed for time but somehow, now and then, I get back to groundviews to post my views and noting very well that divergent and opposing views would naturally find space too. That is good and I have been quite impressed with some of your articulations, those of Yapa, Wijayapala, Kalana and, of course, Dayan J. We penning our views may hardly change positions or views that could affect the SL polity but we have said our piece, didn’t we?

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dear Jaffna Tamil,

    Oh… sorry to hear “Its been a frustrating two weeks at this website.”
    Did I make you leave? Perhaps there must be something common between us. Please come again and visit me (NoEalamInSL) any where in the world, I embrace you with open arms and love to hear that you finally gave up your cause for “Eelam”. Our goal should be making Sri Lanka a better place to live for all Sri Lankans.

    For that matter, my cause has been slightly diverted in order to restate lost democracy in Sri Lanka. I found it. I added something to it. I spread it. Perhaps many will agree with me.

    I am not talking about the Maha Rajano, but the system he is in-charge of. When all legal entitlements are deprived to citizens their formal rights are insignificant. Anything can be done to them. No consequences will follow.Today every Sri Lankan is a legal non-entity in this sense. Abysmal lawlessness and individual rights cannot coexist.The society is reduced to a zero through devaluing and destruction of public institutions and rights on which the system is premised too have no meaning.

  • http://bardoflanks.wordpress.com Bardo Flanks

    The US senate is so powerful because there are two senates assigned to each state. Wyoming with half a million people has the same number of Senators has California with 36 million.

    The sun would rise from the west before the Sinhalese would agree to such a structure!

    I wonder if they would agree to an equal number of black and white senators. Alas, there is but two swarthy skinned individual in this hallowed house, and one of them is a Latino.

    Federalism will not work in Sri Lanka because

    a. It’s just too small and people just don’t live in their provinces. They travel all over the place and the economy and the society is centred in Colombo, not just the government.
    b. Race based governance is unheard of in this day and age.
    c. Decentralisation makes everything so inefficient, and this hinders development.

  • yapa

    Dear Jaffna Tamil;

    Please don’t leave the website and us. You made a real difference in the discussions.

    I think the spirit created after your appearance, is very healthy towards a constructive discussion. You were like a mediator for two aggressive parties and you brought them close.

    These are very positive results taken place with your contribution. These are achievements, which should encourage you. Why discouraged?

    We look forward for your coming back.

    Thanks!

  • Belle

    Jaffna Tamil,
    Sorry you are leaving. I was looking forward to learning more from you, especially the discussion between you and Wijayapala because both of you are quite objective and clear-minded, even if your views are different.

    Yes, there are lots of weird people around, but there are also open-minded ones who do welcome well-thought through perspectives such as yours.

    Hope you’ll come back to speak more of your mind!

  • http://YAPA sanjeeva

    Marisa, you are speaking out of my heart.
    I am a Tamil, and I am living since 1990 abroad. In all these 20 years I am asking every “patriotic diaspora Tamil” you want to support the war, then why don’t you go back and fight?” No one agreed with my opinion, how could they, the luxury and security of democracy is such precious for them that they would better let few poor children in N&E to die for their course and better send their children to the best western universities, still could claim the right for fighting by donating money. What does this 99.8% support mean to these people, nothing they still would prefer to live out of SL and happy being able to have their holidays in SL at anytime they wish, and being able to amass property in Colombo and in North, the only difference it is going to make. They may better stay where they are right now.
    Unfortunately I observe the liberating SL from the grudges of terrorism hasn’t changed anything in the constitutionally guaranteed rights of the Tamils and other minorities in SL and still the majority GoSL does not imply any betterment to this war tormented people, just to reach their own political goals by preaching nationalism and dividing the country between patriots and traitors, and for the worst like few people in this forum still sick in their blind patriotism there is going to be no hope for humanity in SL.

  • http://YAPA Zorro

    Mr. Thambipillai,

    how many of these people know what is Vaddukoddai resolution of 1976? and were they really free to cast their votes or were they forced by the LTTE supporters to make this decision? Are these people ever going to go back to your “Eelam” and claim their nationality to live there?” I saw the hompage of the Transnational Govt of Tamil Eelam paroling the portray of Prabaharan, the organization conducting this “so called free elections” is influencing massively the diaspora like once the LTTE robbed the rights of Tamils in Sri Lanka. The Tamils have no options left after the death of the dictator Prabaharan and the scoundrel politicians in SL in their thirst to power and freedom sell their own sisters and brothers. Sri Lankan Tamils have lost because they tolerated everything the LTTE and other gangsters were doing, like the Sinhales are going to loose because they tolerate everything what the present Govt. does.

  • yapa
  • Observer

    Jaffna Tamil, if you want to effect real change you have to be knee deep, hell neck deep in the mud, struggling with the rest to climb out of it. If you’re going to preach a few sermons from outside the country and think that was going to solve the problem, then my friend you’re totally on the wrong track. If you can’t even take few verbal punches and move forward with determination, then give up and say “Good luck with you FAILED STATE”, then my friend I know your heart is not genuinely committed to SL. We can do with less of your kind. We just want the people who wouldn’t mind jumping in the mud and getting a bit dirty in the process.

    The problem with your/and some other’s vision here is that they try to super impose an external political model that seems to work in their country on SL thinking it’s going to make all the strife disappear! Wrong! That model requires relative wealth to work. Name me one poor nation that is implementing a federal democratic system similar to US successfully. To make things worse, federal system in a poor small country creates unnecessary levels of government leading to even more corruption.

    People have to understand that economy, rights & democracy is a seesaw. On one side economy and on the other side rights while democracy sits in the middle. You cannot expect the rights to level when the economic side is heavy. Resulting in a lopsided democracy!

    So all of who you’re going gun ho screaming about economic sanctions to force SL into improving rights (i.e. GSP+, boycott SL campaign, etc.), I wil bet my life on it, it ain’t going to work other than make things worse. You couldn’t do a more counter productive thing, unless you’re goal is to destroy SL in hatred. That’s a whole different story and we are developing anti dotes for that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    It is very true: “Economics” the cause of war in Sri Lanka – can be key to lasting peace too the economics that dragged the Sri Lankan war for 30 years. http://transcurrents.com/tc/2010/02/economics_the_cause_of_war_in.html

    The LTTE attacked national economical targets, then West Europeans (EU/ UK/ USA/ Norway/ Canada/ Australia) used weakened Sri Lanka situation to give the bargaining power to LTTE. They pushed GOSL for negotiations with the LTTE and come to a political settlement with the terrorists which Europeans would never do. LTTE-GOSL Negotiations failed 5-6 times. President Chandrika (1994-2005)ended her term with a collapsed economy and handed over to Ranil. Ranil (PM-2001-2005) had no money. He signed CFA in 2002 giving 1/3 of Sri Lanka to LTTE to get donations from the West to run the country . Sri Lanka became a two-states country until 2005. Rajapakse came to power in 2005. He turned to India, China, Russia, Iran, Lybya and got the financial and military support. He eliminated LTTE while western peace brokers came preaching Human Rights to Sri Lanka while they were butchering civilians else where in the world. Rajapakse was under pressure from Sri Lankans to not to stop the war. He didnt wanted it either. He got all support and materials needed. He equipped the military with rather new technology. Sri Lanka totally eliminated entire LTTE leadership and military wing on 19th May 2009. Well done Sri Lanka! The post war peace building efforts also will be depend on the economics since West keep pinching Sri Lanka on economical interests to entertain growing Tamil voters. What Sri Lanka needs is to stay with the East and keep the West at the bay!

    It is very true fact that economics was/is/will be the key factor to the soultion and to the cause of any conflict! Should the west deserve our thumbs up or the middle fingers up?

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    You have posted two comments addressed to me on February 13, 2010 @ 8:29 pm and February 13, 2010 @ 9:06 pm, and a post addressed to Diraj at
    February 14, 2010 @ 10:49 pm with several questions.

    I think answers to many of those questions are contained in my post at

    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/12/going-beyond-sarath-fonseka-in-achieving-democracy-for-people/#comment-14840

    Please go through it and answer my two questions posted to you at February 15, 2010 @ 6:06 pm and February 15, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

    I am anxiously awaiting your answers? Please specifically mention what “you” mean by “Tamil Areas”?

    I think we must be very clear about the meanings of important concepts pertaining to the issue we discuss.

    thanks!

  • yapa

    Second part of my post “WHO ARE SINHALESE?” posted on this thread at February 14, 2010 @ 8:50 am can be rad at

    http://www.groundviews.org/2010/02/17/the-%e2%80%98sinhala-nationalist%e2%80%99s-burden%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-14853

    Please read.

    Thanks!

  • Observer
  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Observer,

    Thanks. commented. Interesting. Good insights of ill-approaches of solving world conflicts. They use those approaches to meddle and bargain what they want. “The typical post-conflict government is so short of money that it needs our money just to be on a life support system” http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_collier_s_new_rules_for_rebuilding_a_broken_nation.html

  • wijayapala

    Observer,

    You cannot expect the rights to level when the economic side is heavy.

    Huh?

  • Observer

    wijayapala, i stated simply an observation i have made. feel free to say otherwise with examples. when people are economically strangled, they become more selfish, usually disregarding courtesy to fellow human beings. on 19th of May 09, the superficial war finished and the real war started. it’s the fight against poverty!

    NoEelaminSL, glad you found it interesting.

  • Heshan

    Observer:

    Depositing tsunami money in the sister’s bank account, embarking on failed ventures like Mihin Airlines (at the expense of billions in taxpayers’ money), appointing family members to be primary shareholders in Mihin Airlines, arresting journalists, forcing journalists to run from the country, kidnapping and killing journalists, taking 10% of every weapons commission under the family-owned company of Lanka Logistics, appointing 196 family members to high positions in the Government, arresting political opponents on trumped up charges, making bogus pledges like eliminating Executive Presidency in the “Chinthanaya”, incarcerating 300,000 innocent Tamils in detention camps post-war, using taxpayer money to send the son overseas on Navy scholarships that he doesn’t deserve, taking 70-80 delegates on foreign trips, appointing pyramid scam artist Nivaard-Cabraal to run the Central Bank, making friends with dictators like Ahmedinjad and Q’udaffai, using state media to broadcast government propaganda, etc. etc….

    ……………………..

    You are correct; the West cannot save S. Lanka at this point… I don’t think the East can do it either. I don’t think GOD can do it. Once I wrote on this forum that Tamil people have no future in the island; in the final analysis, their best bet is just to pack up and leave. Now, after the election, I would like to offer the same advice to Sinhalese who have the means to do so.

  • Observer

    Bravo Heshan, you just played the propaganda broken record of a Tamil nationalist on your gramophone. Frankly most of us fall asleep now when we hear that record. It’s called spin. Yawn…

    “You are correct; the West cannot save S. Lanka at this point”

    Save? LOL They don’t save, they look for opportunities!!

    * Do they have oil? No
    * Do they have other vast resources? No
    * Are they a likely bunch to embrace Christianity? Tried and failed. No!
    * Can we have a strategically useful missile defence systems or bases there? Only if you’re crazy.
    * Will they pose a threat to us? Haha no way!

    So why in the world would they give a damn about this tiny spec?

    Now that you have prophetically declared that Sri Lanka is the Titanic and advised all to bail, what the hell are you still doing bothering your self with Sri Lankan matters?

    “I don’t think GOD can do it.” Wow! You seem to be quite sure of this aren’t ya?

    If you think it’s beyond saving you’re engaging in a futile effort. Clearly you’re smarter then to engage in more productive affairs? I don’t know.. maybe write essays declaring no civilians are being harmed by NATO in Marja. There’s a huge audience for that sort of thing. Ahh but that’s right, you must be the type that would pour more water into a leaking ship. LOL. So I suggest you make some pop corn for your self and watch us drown in Freezing water. According to you, it’s going to be an epic movie just like the Titanic!

    Dude I don’t know what triggered that random rant but I was just talking about poverty, which is an issue plaguing billions around the world. There are homeless people in US and the West too, thankfully not a whole lot. It’s an universal issue. If you look at India, many times the population of Sri Lanka live in slums and die of hunger. And it’s a fight worth fighting against GODLY ODDS! Running away from problems don’t usually solve them.

  • Belle

    Observer,
    “Bravo Heshan, you just played the propaganda broken record of a Tamil nationalist on your gramophone. Frankly most of us fall asleep now when we hear that record. It’s called spin. Yawn…”

    I always did get the distinct impression that you were talking in your sleep. Now I know for sure! :)

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    Generally speaking, if I don’t answer queries from people, it is because I am either very busy or don’t want to pursue that line of inquiry as I consider it to be futile, or because my answer is already clear from what I said. I also operate under the assumption that I am free to participate or not. I don’t demand that people answer my questions and I expect that same freedom to be given to me.

    It is quite clear from my comments that I consider it to be futile to be discussing Sri Lankan ethnic history of occupation as I am not a historian. Nor do I believe that you are one. I don’t see how the issue of whether I think Sinhalese were the invaders is relevant to current issues. You said you wanted to test whether I am an Eelamist. I have said I am not. My comments make it quite clear that I am not. I am not answerable to you. I could ask the question whether you believe the whole of Sri Lanka belongs to Sinhalese.

    What I consider to be Tamil areas are those that were settled by Tamils when the nation was formed (i.e. the point of independence. I am sure you know when that is). Also, those that were still settled by them when the conflict broke out. My only interest in speaking of Tamil areas is to ensure that, in these places, Tamils as a minority have sufficient masses to vote in their own representatives to Parliament and to vote according to their political will. Would I be talking about the SL parliament if I were an Eelamist? I think the government has some responsibility to ensure that those areas settled in by Tamils from independence onwards have a majority Tamil population so as to allow them their political representation.

    It is also important to preserve these areas as Tamil majority areas for the sake of allowing for Tamil cultural reproduction and development. Unless you belong to a minority, you have no idea how easy it is to lose a culture by dispersing its people forcibly all over the country.

    But over and above all this, I consider that, given that democracy is about equal rights, political representation of the communities that make up a country should be equal, and not just proportionate. That’s why I think GG Ponnambalam was intellectually right in that 50-25-25 demand.

    But it is just amazing at how up in arms you are about Tamils claiming rights to 1/3 of the land. Isn’t it the least fertile part of the country? Sinhalese wouldn’t even voluntarily settle in these areas. They have to be paid by the government to do so. This is a very good example of the ‘dog in the manger’ attitude–suddenly these parts become precious to you because someone else wants it.

    The more interesting question is to what extent Sinhalese are willing to share the country with other communities, with communities that have long historical ties to the land and with those that were present at the forming of the nation. That is the question I would ask of you. What political and cultural rights do you think you need to give other communities? I wait with bated breath.

  • Observer

    belle, for a change you seem to know something now. glad to have helped. :-)

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    Thanks for the response. Now I think we can talk sensibly. When we talk without knowing the real meanings of what we are talking, no one properly understands. Now I understand the meanings of two important concepts originated from the part of the Tamils. We knew that “Tamil areas” in the eyes of LTTE eelamist. It contained 1/3rd of the land of the Island and it was precisely mentioned in the Eelam maps prepared by them. They fought a huge armed battle and an ideological battle to acquire this area solely for them. Ideological battle was to convince the Tamil youths to take part in the armed battle, to encourage Tamil diaspora to raise funds for it and to get the support of the international community and organisations to pressure for their cause, to mention some objectives. Now the armed battle was defeated and I don’t think any Tamil person would think it can re-start. With this defeat many people thought that this unreasonable and unrealistic goal of obtaining 1/3rd of the land has totally ceased. I also thought that the meaning of “Tamil areas” meant today is different from the what it was meant by the defeated LTTE eelamists. But if it is not the case as indicated, and it is the same as LTTE thought, and if this is the common notion of the Tamils I think the “cold war” situation will continue for some time and reconciliation process will take a long time. However my presumption is that this is only the aspiration of the Tamil diaspora, who expect innocent Tamils in Sri Lanka to fulfill their ambitious hopes. I think most of the Tamils in Sri Lanka have now realised that what they were taught by eelamist about their so called homeland is not justifiable and also not achievable.

    I also must thank you for making clear the meaning of the phrase ” at the forming of the nation”. From the perspective of you, the nation was formed on 4th February 1948. You could have easily said that in plain language. {What I consider to be Tamil areas are those that were settled by Tamils when the nation was formed (i.e. the point of independence. I am sure you know when that is)}. I don’t think any Sinhalese or many Tamils will accept your notion. Sri Lankan nation has been here for about 2500 years as per historical records and should be much more than that. You suggest to limit its history to 62 years?

    Why don’t you mention these things in plain language? Why do you make us to ask questions to clear simple ideas? What is your objective of making simple ideas hard to understand?

    Please don’t simply think that people of this country will accept that the date of formation of the nation as 4th February 1948.

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    dear Belle;

    I have answered the main issues that were made clear from your post. With regard to the rest of the issues arisen from your post too I hope to give my opinion soon. Especially about 50:50 demand (or 50-25-25 demand as you prefer to mention), least futile land justification, preservation of culture etc. etc. If we had looked from the perspectives of other parties too before arriving at conclusions and making demands on crucial issues, I think this destruction to this country wouldn’t have happened.

    Thanks!

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    As a writer, I put more emphasis on clarity than others do. I did not mention the date but kept talking about the moment of the formation of the nation because I am more interested in the abstract principle than in the specific date: my point is that political representation needs to be sorted out in terms of people who make up a nation as it is formed. Sri Lanka had never been a nation before, and this is a relatively new political form.

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Belle,

    Madam what is your interest?
    Equality for ALL in SL or a Superior position for Tamils over all others in SL?

    This is in response to your post of February 15, 2010 @ 9:33 am which I just saw.

    Here are two statements of yours from two different posts on the same subject.
    “In the past, kings were quite happy to rule people of other ethnicities”.
    “But then, I am not interested in chasing after ghosts of the ancient past.”

    In the first you refer to a past and in the second you reject the past. Why the flip flop?

    Tamils are settled in the South, even in Govt built Housing. They are accepted by the Southerners but you are advocating no such thing in the North and East. Is that not inequitable and racist?

    You state “If these areas were occupied by Tamils when the nation was being formed, then that is their homeland.”

    I do not know what you mean by the phrase “Nation being formed” and what period in time or date that you are referring to but the Sinhalese and Muslims and many other Ethnicities have lived all over SL for millennia. Hence is it not their homeland too? Why should it be only a homeland for Tamils?

    You state “But I am no Eelamist. However the areas that they occupied at the founding of the nation needs to be respected in order to ensure that they obtain representation in Parliament.”

    Again the “founding of the nation” phrase, when was it founded according to you? Are you not alluding to some past event? But you professed that you are not interested in the past?

    SL does not elect parliamentary representatives in a first past the post, constituency based system. It is a District based proportional representation system. Hence your argument is invalid.

    You state “If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now. Within such a context, there is a term for settling the majority in minority-occupied areas: it’s called “colonization”.”

    There is no question of being allowed every Sri Lankan has the right to do so anywhere in SL. The Tamils already exercise that right all over SL. It’s only the Sinhalese, Muslims and other communities that don’t have that right yet, thanks to the Thesawalami Law.

    As explained before, parliamentary representation is not effected by other communities settling in the North and East and Colonisation does not happen within one’s own country.

    Does Singapore allow you to form ethnic enclaves which you are espousing for SL? If not, why are the Tamils in Singapore remaining passive about it even with a first past the post electoral system that favours the majority? Why do you want to deny the ethnic harmony that Singapore has, to SL? It is good for you but not good for us, is that it?

    Your type of Equality is what the Tamil intelligentsia (not the peasantry) practised when they held Govt power, pre independence and immediate post independence. That type of Equality bred Sinhalese reaction to it. We do not want to tread that path over again. We want an SL that allows the Tamils to live in the South in complete safety and the same thing reciprocated in the North and East for the Sinhala, Muslim and other communities, just like what you enjoy in Singapore.

    Please refrain from sowing seeds of hatred again and again.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Offthe cuff,

    I think Eelamists (Belle et al) refered/wished to have chola invaders to countinue to rule the country, but it is pitty that it isnt/it is not possible because it is not realistic to control another ethnicity who are the majority. So best way is to focus on places where Tamils are the majority. Let Tamils spread every where in Sri Lanka (also it the world) and let North-East only for Tamils. So it will be easy for Eelamists to show N-E as a different nation in future. Thanks for the eye for details, off the cuff. Keep up good work!

    I Quote, Belle et al (Eelamists):
    “In the past, kings were quite happy to rule people of other ethnicities”.“But then, I am not interested in chasing after ghosts of the ancient past.”
    “If Sinhalese are allowed to settle in the Tamil areas, especially in large numbers, then under the current political system, the Tamils won’t even have the few places in Parliament that they have now. Within such a context, there is a term for settling the majority in minority-occupied areas: it’s called “colonization”.”

    NoEalamInSL

  • Belle

    Off the Cuff,
    Re: “Again the “founding of the nation” phrase, when was it founded according to you? Are you not alluding to some past event? But you professed that you are not interested in the past?”

    No, I didn’t profess not to be interested in the past, but in the ANCIENT past. That is a reference to a certain historical period.

    Re: “Madam what is your interest?
    Equality for ALL in SL or a Superior position for Tamils over all others in SL?”

    That you can ask this given the indecent lack of power and rights within which SL Tamils are forced to live tells me that you are either very, very stupid or a would-be demagogue.

  • Belle

    NoEelaminSL,

    You are the one with the word “Eelam” in your name, but I am the one who is an Eelamist? Please don’t project your obsessions onto me.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Dear Belle and Pro-Eelamists,

    There are are lot of resentments in comments in all forums. It might help reconciliation efforts if people are honest and leave resentments aside and look forward with poisitive hopes. Discussions are not fruitfull when it is partial, accusing and blaming. Accept and respect. Make the other feel belonged with you. You might have born to a different race, yet you are born to human species. Avoid spreading fabricated stories like genocide, all Tamil women in Sri Lanka were raped by SL Army etc etc. Those wont help for reconcilliation. It only helps to corner the other. If anyone wants a solution for a issue, explain what went wrong, how can we correct it? We keep blaming each other for over 30 years. We lost valuable lives. One blames SL Army, the other blames the LTTE. A separate state is a out of the question, Eelam is not feasible in Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka is multi-ethnic/cultural/religion country. LTTE tried Eelam for 30yrs. By now you should understand it is not feasible. Defeating LTTE doesnt mean, Tamils are defeated. We Sinahalese, Tamils and Muslims lived in Sri Lanka for a long time. One time one group is strong, the other time the other group is strong. The stronger group who tries to fear people by killing or intimidating the other will one day be defeated by the other. This cycle will repeat endless. That doesnt solve the core propblem. If the issue is the discrimination/ language/ job/ power/ identity, then come up with a solution. Suggest in forums how on this earth can we address the issues in Sri Lanka without dividing the country and killing people?

    NoEalamInSL

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    You can not justify terrorism at any cost; rape, murder, discrimination, OR what ever the so called Tamil “aspirations” are. There are many Sinhalese women raped by Tamils too. The pregnant women in border villages in N-E were cut open their bellies and smashed their unborn children on the ground by LTTE/Tamils. Those are CRUELTY AGAINST HUMANITY! Buddhist monks were massacred while travelling by the bus. (Aranthalawa massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aranthalawa_Massacre ) Buddhists pilgrims (146 people)were massacred in Anuradhapura http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqdW2auRlo4. many attricities by LTTE. These crimes cannot be justified at any cost. see a range of massacres by LTTE/Tamils http://www.spur.asn.au/ltteatro.htm How do you weigh a rape and a murder? Please do not plead innocence for all those crimes done by Tamils to Sinhalese and try to finger point Sinhalese for raping a Tamil woman. I am against any type of violence. Any human being can be violent at any moment. You guys are born yesterday, painting a picture that Sri Lanka is full of attrocities done by only Sinhalese. These propaganda is outdated now. World knows the truth, the only truth is that a group of blood thirst Tamil separatist terrorists are trying to fear all Sri Lankans by bombing shooting massacrering Sinhalese to carve out Sri Lanka. They bombed jam-packed buses, trains, offices, airports, banks, harbours, railway stations, bustands and then they simply got away. That cannibal group of separatist terrorists are called LTTE and they are totally eliminated in Sri Lanka on 19th May 2009. Now Sri Lanka is free of terror. There are some terrorists breeding machines appear in forums cultivating hatrism aginst Sinhalese among Tamils. GOSL is on the hunt of those monsters. We dont need to study of anthropology and gynocology to understand a terrorists and a rapist. Sri Lanka has a civil law and GOSL is responsible for maintaining the law and order. There is a justice system, if one has rape some one, follow the procedures without cultivating hatrism or generalizing. I do understand the legal system is not efficient as it is expected to be. That is where we need to be focused to make it more efficient. Not communal hatrism. People who promote hatrism and defend those perpetrators who committed mass murders in Sri Lanka for the sake of a Tamil Eelam have bood in their hands!

    NoEalamInSL

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    “…………….But it is just amazing at how up in arms you are about Tamils claiming rights to 1/3 of the land. Isn’t it the least fertile part of the country? Sinhalese wouldn’t even voluntarily settle in these areas. They have to be paid by the government to do so. This is a very good example of the ‘dog in the manger’ attitude–suddenly these parts become precious to you because someone else wants it…………………………….”

    With regard to the above notion of yours I think if you can answer the followings too it would strengthen your position.

    1. Why did you forget your claim for 2/3rd of the coastal line in this instance?

    2. How did you come to the conclusion that these are the least fertile part of the island?

    3. How did you come to the conclusion that Sinhalese wouldn’t even voluntarily settle in these areas?

    4. In any case, if they are the least fertile part is how does it become a justification for Tamils to claim it?

    5. In any case, how do you justify your claim for 1/3rd of land for just 12% of the population? Sri Lanka is a country with high demographic pressure, hence land is very valuable.

    6. How do you justify the claim by Tamils for the aquatic resources covered in . the sea area, demarcated by the 2/3rd of the coastal line? Fish, Mineral sand resources, petroleum beds, metals in the sea bed etc. etc….

    7. What do you think about the value of the harbours and bays, lagoons belong to the area you claim? You don’t find such fine harbours and bays in other areas.

    8. How do you avoid the value of the area as best tourist attraction in the country? No other area of the country has such a potential for tourism.

    9. More than all of the above how do you over rule the heritage of Sinhalese in those areas, who had been the sole owners of what you claim for centuries, when Tamils were limited to North India? I don’t say that Sri Lanka now belong to Sinhalese alone. Conversely how come Tamils claim one part of the country is belong to Tamils only?

    Thanks!

  • yapa

    Correctin

    when Tamils were limited to North India?

    NOT ” North India” BUT ” SOUTH INDIA”

    Thanks!

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    I did not ‘forget’ that Tamil Eelam constitutes 2/3 of Sri Lanka. I don’t know what parts of SL makes up Tamil Eelam because I am not interested in the issue of TE. If there are any arrangements to be made to devolve power to SL Tamils, that is something that needs to be worked out by the government and political parties.

    I asked you to say what political and cultural rights SL’s Sinhalese need to give to the other communities in the nation. You have not answered that. All you have said is what the SL Tamils cannot have, i.e. Tamil Eelam. What is it that they CAN have?

    I think your answer to the above question is that the SL Tamils should be given NOTHING. You are not saying that Sri Lanka belongs only to the Sinhalese?Indeed you are! That is why you say that the Tamils were limited to South India. The significance of that statement is that Sri Lanka was occupied only by the Sinhalese. Historians know for a fact that the Tamils had been living in SL for centuries. Only irrational people like Sinhala nationalists would believe that Tamils who lived right next door to Sri Lanka, with even a natural bridge connecting India and Sri Lanka in the old days, were not present in Sri Lanka but that Sinhalese came all the way from North India to settle in Sri Lanka.

    It’s very interesting that even when Tamil post-ers say they are not Eelamists, you guys only want to engage the issue of Tamil Eelam. Tamil Eelam is not even in existence, but you talk as if it is and that it is oppressing Sinhalese! If you guys were sent to a psychiatrist, you would probably be found to be insane, for preferring to deal with a fiction rather than with facts. If you are not prepared to engage with the issue of what you think Sri Lanka should give Tamils (a long-settled people on the island), please don’t waste my time insisting that I should justify something that I don’t believe in.

  • Belle

    NoEaalaminSL,
    You said:
    “Buddhist monks were massacred while travelling by the bus. (Aranthalawa massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aranthalawa_Massacre ) Buddhists pilgrims (146 people)were massacred in Anuradhapura http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqdW2auRlo4. many attricities by LTTE. These crimes cannot be justified at any cost. see a range of massacres by LTTE/Tamils http://www.spur.asn.au/ltteatro.htm How do you weigh a rape and a murder? Please do not plead innocence for all those crimes done by Tamils to Sinhalese and try to finger point Sinhalese for raping a Tamil woman.”

    It’s interesting isn’t it, that there is all sorts of evident to what the LTTE did to Sinhalese, but no similar links to what the Sinhalese did to Tamils. Whenever there are any, you guys deny anything like that ever happened. Do you see Tamils denying their violence against Sinhalese?

    You say that all humans are capable of violence. Indeed they are. So why don’t you tell us about Sinhalese violence against Tamils to balance out accounts coming from the other direction. There is only one reason why Tamils appear to have been violent against Sinhalese but not vice versa: I’m referring to government control of information. Please be honest and admit that if there are no or few accounts of Sinhalese violence against Tamils, it is because the government is suppressing evidence and not because such violence has not taken place. Don’t take refuge behind your government’s corruption.

    “Make the other feel belonged with you.”

    Would you say that in all relationships, the party with power should make the move to include the party without power (for no other reason but because it is practically easier for the dominant majority to make real change)? I would think that in all countries the onus is on the majority community to make the minority feel welcome. Perhaps it is because Sri Lanka doesn’t know this basic common sense that it is in the position it is in.

    “There are some terrorists breeding machines appear in forums cultivating hatrism aginst Sinhalese among Tamils.”

    And there are no ‘terrorist breeding machines’ appearing in forums cultivating hatred of Sinhalese against Tamils? It is all one way? That shows your bias, doesn’t it? I can see many examples here of it, including your own posts.

    “Sri Lanka has a civil law and GOSL is responsible for maintaining the law and order. There is a justice system, if one has rape some one, follow the procedures without cultivating hatrism or generalizing. I do understand the legal system is not efficient as it is expected to be.”

    So, if the legal system is not efficient as it is expected to be, is there really rule of law in your country? Isn’t an efficient legal system a minimum requirement to make a claim that SL observes rule by law? On what basis then do you claim that it is Tamils raping Sinhalese and that it’s not happening the other way around? If there are no cases of Tamil women being raped by Sinhalese, is that because it didn’t happen, or because the legal system is not functioning efficiently? I believe there have been many claims that raped Tamil women have not been able to have their cases heard in court. No doubt you will say that the women are bluffing. But how do you know if it was never brought to court?

    “People who promote hatrism and defend those perpetrators who committed mass murders in Sri Lanka for the sake of a Tamil Eelam have bood in their hands!”

    People who caused a terrorist group to come into existence by bullying a minority also have blood on their hands.

    “If anyone wants a solution for a issue, explain what went wrong, how can we correct it? We keep blaming each other for over 30 years. We lost valuable lives. One blames SL Army, the other blames the LTTE.”

    How do you distinguish “explaining what went wrong” from “blaming”? If the Tamils explain that they have been denied their equal rights, you would call that “blaming” right? Please say what you really mean–that Tamils should beg for their rights without saying that they have indeed all this while been denied full rights in the nation. If Sinhalese do not want to accept that they did any wrong, doesn’t any explanation of the current situation that points to them not having done things they should have attended to as a majority community in power become “blame”? Maybe among your group, you can get away with your crap, but the rest of us can see right through you.

    If you really believe in communal harmony, please tell us HOW it should be achieved. If you don’t do that, then we can conclude that you are more interested in warding off blame being cast on your community than in solving the problem.

    And if you’re not seriously interested in offering viable solutions for communal harmony, please don’t bother to engage me in debate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Belle et al,

    You try to make a picture yourself “unbiased” but the reality is infavourable, you keep attacking GOSL and security forces. Do not make this a platform only for Eelamists. I am glad at least I can leave my comments. Crimes happen everywhere. A good government will find the criminals and bring them to justice. You cant blame the government for every crime happens in Sri Lanka but GOSL has a responsibility to take control measures to reduce the crimes. That is what every govt supposed to do. Take USA, EU, UK for example. Crime are there, they take effective methods to counter them. Do not forget Sri Lanka is a developing country, you cant expect a system of a developed country. Those developed countries had a stage similar to us after the WW 2 & 3. They joined together to safe guard states and individual rights. After years of evolution they are in a better stage now. People in these forums are Sri Lankan diaspora using previledges of improved facilities. Majority Sri Lankans do not have computers. Our literacy is 98%, our computer literacy is 20%. So, first realize the ground realities. Sri Lanka is a country battered from a generation long (30yrs) terrorism harboured by Europeans. We eliminated terrorism which Europeans considered never would be. Sri Lanka is bouncing back better than expected by EU. Europeans thought the cost of war is so high that Sri Lanka will have bad ecnomy for coming decades. But SL is doing much better than expected. See IMF report. Europeans ceased GSP TAX concessions on HR basis and terrorists lobbying. Now we are focusing on democracy and reconcliation. I support MR government while I criticize its wrong doings. We also have to apprecitate the good things they do. Do not take political milleage from “incidents” such as drawning man, rape, etc. Those incidents are being rectified by bringing the culprits to justice. There many pending. What we have to focus on, is to see the big picture. Uniting all ethnic groups, eliminating hatrism and shoulder economic development. Those incidents should not be barriers to reconciliation. Criticise government, push them for better governance but appreciate when doing good in the mean time. Dont yell all the time! That doesnt help. If you love Sri Lanka dont speak in evil minds, resentment. I do not justify any violence, but it will be more result oriented if we shoulder reconcilation efforts. Talking of casualties in combatting terrorism is counter productive. GOSL did what it had to do as any other Govt would do. Post war stage is on democracy, development and reconciliation not on accusing each other.

    NoEalamInSL

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    What I wanted to show is that the demand for “Tamil Areas” (as claimed by you and many others on various reasons) solely for Tamils is unreasonable and unjustifiable.

    I gave enough reasons to show that it is unjustifiable. Do you have anything to dispute them or against the facts given by me? Can you still justify that claim?

    I am sure it is an unfair demand.

    Thanks!

  • Belle

    Yapa,
    With regard to your last post, either you have language problems or you simply do not have respect for other people’s wishes. Anyway I will re-post my position:

    “If you are not prepared to engage with the issue of what you think Sri Lanka should give Tamils (a long-settled people on the island), please don’t waste my time insisting that I should justify something that I don’t believe in.”

  • wijayapala

    Yapa, I can answer some of your questions

    1. Why did you forget your claim for 2/3rd of the coastal line in this instance?
    4. In any case, if they are the least fertile part is how does it become a justification for Tamils to claim it?

    I don’t understand your reasoning. The Tamils are clever because they want 2/3 coastline (the best land), but they are foolish because they want the least fertile land (the worst land).

    In any case, the ultimate reasoning behind “Tamil homeland” was provided by ModVoice in the Sinhala Nationalist burden thread:

    ““It will not guarantee no communal violence. However, those residing outside N-E will have a relatively safe place to go to in case of such emergency, – “emergency” refers to anti-Tamil violence

    It is this belief, not silly “Jaffna Kingdom” or “Tamils were in SL before Sinhalese” that is at the crux of Tamil nationalism. The only way to defeat Tamil nationalism is to prove this belief wrong.

    9. More than all of the above how do you over rule the heritage of Sinhalese in those areas, who had been the sole owners of what you claim for centuries, when Tamils were limited to North India? I don’t say that Sri Lanka now belong to Sinhalese alone.

    However, **the Sinhala racists who DO claim that Sri Lanka belongs to Sinhalese alone have used your precise (and flawed) reasoning that the Sinhalese are “sole owners” of the land**. These exact views led to the sort of misguided policies that pushed the Tamils into war.

    It is one thing to argue that the Sinhalese have a history in N-E Sri Lanka equally as old as the Tamils; it is quite another thing to claim that the Sinhalese had “sole ownership” which is disputed by literary and epigraphical evidence.

    2. How did you come to the conclusion that these are the least fertile part of the island?

    This is not true of large parts of Eastern Province, but Northern Province is relatively desolate. This is why Premadasa focused his efforts on holding the East and not the North.

    3. How did you come to the conclusion that Sinhalese wouldn’t even voluntarily settle in these areas?

    Because of the pattern of failure in state-sponsored settlement schemes (something that the Eelamists somehow fail to acknowledge). The best book on this topic is Robert Muggah’s “Relocation Failures in Sri Lanka: A Short History of Internal Displacement and Resettlement.” Most of the book concerns Tamil displacement, as they were the community affected most by the war, but it also addresses Sinhala displacement as a result of JR’s policies.

  • wijayapala

    Dear NoEalaminSL,

    There are many Sinhalese women raped by Tamils too.

    Could you provide one example?

  • Belle

    NoEelaminSL,
    “You try to make a picture yourself “unbiased” but the reality is infavourable, you keep attacking GOSL and security forces. Do not make this a platform only for Eelamists.”

    At last, I get it! I’ve been wondering why people keep calling me an Eelamist although I have consistently maintained that I don’t support separatism. So there’s an equation being made here that if a Tamil person attacks GOSL and security forces, that makes them an Eelamist! I deplore GOSL’s conduct of the war: if the enemy is holding civilians hostage, government forces should halt gunfire. A government is meant to protect its citizens, even if they are not of the same race. I expect governments to uphold citizens’ security. But that doesn’t mean that I think separatism is a good idea.

    What I gather from this equation is that when people tell me not to be an Eelamist, what they really want is that I should stop criticising the government. Sorry, no can do. I have nothing but contempt for the present regime.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noalaminsl NoEalamInSL

    Belle et al,

    Separatist Terrorism is eleiminated. Suicide bombs, massacres by LTTE have ceased. Crimes happenning even in the most civilized societies. Even in societies where there was no civil war for a century. We just came out of a civil war, rapes, murders can happen. You are exaggerating couple of incidents to tarnnish Sri Lanka. You want to spread the message that Sri Lanka has a bad governance and The LTTE and Eelam was/is the best and the only solution for the conflict. You want to say LTTE never raped, murdered, looted, harrased, terrorised peopl… Just like you brain washed EU that Sinhalese genocide Tamils. They (west) realizes the reality, yet they promote Eelam (by sponsoring referendums) to heal hearts of their Tamil voters. The reality is Sinhalese never hatred Tamils or genocided Tamils but wag a war against separatist terrorists. They lived peacefully together until and while Eelam war I to IV was going on. If you are a Sri Lankan you supposed to consider Sri Lanka as your motherland. Incidents cannt be used to divide the country or to kill people. Take a family, for an example. You are like a doctor advising parents to kill children or send out of house if children are acting abnormally or do what they are not supposed to do. You are telling the family should be cornered from the society (sanctions, “Say no to Sri Lanka”). I am saying, those kids should be corrected, teach them good and bad and consequences. Learn the parents how to parent their kids. Then the children and the family will be useful to the society. Like wise, a government should not be discarded for minor incidents. Critics will always be influencial for future decision making of the country. That’s why honest disccustions are fruitful rather than being biased, resentful, incidental. I am a critic of this government for having resticted freedom on media and speech. I have criticised them. You said “the party with power should make the move to include the party without power (for no other reason but because it is practically easier for the dominant majority to make real change)?”, thats why I voiced for relase of SF. But I am against warcrime investigations, because it is a legitimmate right of a goverment to combat terrorism and casualties are inevitable. I am for reorganizing the system with zero tolerance for crimes, corruption, thuggery, beaurcracy and many areas need improvements. You want to digg into history saying there was an Ealam state(never existed). That make you a Ealamist. We must make sure all enjoy freedom, opprotunities and security we have now after eliminating LTTE terrorism.

    NoEalamInSL

  • Off the Cuff

    Dear Belle,

    “if the enemy is holding civilians hostage, government forces should halt gunfire.” you said.

    Can you elaborate more on this with real world examples

  • yapa

    Dear Belle;

    I accept that I have some language (English) problems. You yourself have detected some of my mistakes several times. I am not worried about it. I am happy about myself.

    But don’t get angry with me. I don’t detest you. But I like you. In a way I see you as a hero fighting for your ethnic group, not expecting anything personal. Though I do not agree with many of your views I accept your right to views (especially fair views) and also your views initiated many valuable discussions. Though I drastically criticized your views, I have no such attitude towards you. I like you. Don’t get angry with me please.

    Thanks!

  • Heshan

    Observer:

    I just saw your post today, buried beneath the worthy musings of others. Anyway…

    Running away from problems is not a solution – that’s true if you add the qualifier *some.* On the other hand, let’s look at the other side of this. Even if you stick around to face the problem, and your objective is to arrive at an optimum solution, the right *tools* are required. Let’s add some context to this: in politics, the right tools are a set of qualified politicians, a constitution that employs some kind of checks-and-balances mechanism, and an effective judiciary. The us-vs-them, terrorists-vs-patriots, those who love the country vs. those who don’t – this kind of dichotomy cannot be adapted to the tools I’ve mentioned. The best tools are those that integrate – and you cannot integrate extremes, and still remain an extremist. The problem with S. Lanka as I see it is that it simply thrives on extremes. It is not *rational* to expect optimum solutions when your approach is always extreme. If you recall your younger days, there was a time when you *guessed* the answer to questions like 3 +8… at some stage you learned a more logical approach so that such guessing became unnecessary. You learned that positive addition implies a larger sum. And you learned the positions of 3, 8, and 11 on the number line. The intuition provided by such internal rationalization is what finally allows us to move away from extreme approaches (guessing is also an extreme approach).

    Unfortunately, S. Lanka is still like the small child guessing his sums…instead of asking why, guess again, and again, till your guess is right (= loan from IMF, or support from India/Iran/Libya etc.). People in the South want to *guess* the right politician. They want to *guess* that by eliminating the LTTE and suppressing/subduing the remaining Tamils, another *Singapore* will somehow emerge from the ashes, and compete with India & China.

    Well, there’s nothing wrong with guessing, except that you’re usually (almost always) wrong. Even in that most logical of human disciplines, mathematics, the best one can do with guessing is narrow it down to a confidence interval – which in itself is no guarantee that the outcome is as expected. I don’t know how much longer S. Lanka will play these guessing games, but as I don’t consider guessing to be rational (excluding that for which empirical data exists), neither do I consider such behavior to be in the better interest of the nation as a whole.
    Without the adaptation of the tools I mentioned earlier, the future of the country is zero-sum. As to why I suggested people leave, remember that a democracy is not built overnight. To reach a consensus on which tools are correct can take a decade. To implement the tools can take several more decades. To see long-term results can easily take a half-century. When the best intellectuals like Dayan J. are still waxing eloquent about Mao and Stalin – indeed, when there is a dire shortage of intellectuals altogether- the actual process can easily take a 100 years. India did not experience an economic miracle right after Independence, even though the political models that India adopted were far superior to that of SL. The economic miracle was the cumulative result of a lot of preparatory work, encompassing a span of 50 years, which in itself was not uniform across India.

    I am not a pessimist, by any means. I just don’t see SL going anywhere *significant* (the colloquial term is *upwards*) for a very long time. Perhaps those individuals who bowed to effigies of *Mahinda* after the war was won have a different set of expectations. My response would be along the lines of “tell me who your friends are, and I’ll know who you are.”

  • wijayapala

    Belle,

    So there’s an equation being made here that if a Tamil person attacks GOSL and security forces, that makes them an Eelamist!

    From a Sinhala viewpoint, anyone who criticizes the GOSL while being silent about the LTTE is an Eelamist.

    In my view, these people are no better than the Sinhalese who will never acknowledge that the GOSL or armed forces made mistakes, and accuse anyone doing so of being a “traitor” (familiar term in the pro-LTTE lexicon).

  • Belle

    Wijayapala,
    I guess the name calling (“Eelamist,” “traitor”) is a strategy to colonize the discussion, to impose one’s own position as the norm without having to go through the effort of actually arguing one’s point of view.

    What exactly constitutes treachery? We need to unpack that “traitor” label. Is one a traitor if one is against a government but for the people? Also, what does it mean to be an Eelamist–what world view does an ‘Eelamist’ hold to justify separatism? I think if one were to interview 100 Eelamists, we will find they have different world views (especially about race, nation, democratic rights, history) and that the only thing they agree on is having a Tamil Eelam.

    It’s probably best to avoid these labels, or at least define how you’re using them. Otherwise, it’s just about trying to demonize anyone with a different opinion.

  • http://referendumintheDiaspora sanjeeva

    Last week I was watching the winter Olympic games in the TV and saw the young sportsmen and women after winning their medals waving the flags of their home countries and sending home greetings, patriotic (hopefully not nationalistic)…. I was emotionally touched and asked myself given I win a gold medal for some kind of sport, would I be proud to wave the national flag of Sri Lanka? To put the question the other way would I be feeling a Sri Lankan? I answered the question with “No” to my surprise. WHY I asked myself? and came to the answer “it was never allowed to me to feel home in SL since I am a grown up”. And I am sure lots of people would feel like me in SL today, regardless of their ethnic origin. The reason is, lots of people feel that they are just being betrayed by politicians of all co lours, either Tamil or Sinhalese, to fall in to oblivion after they fulfill their deeds. The basic question of humanity and dignity is not existential in Sri Lanka and then why should I feel patriotic to a land which does not acknowledge my human existence, the minimum I can ask for.

    I am a Tamil, an outspoken pacifist but not willing to accept any kind of crime against man kind, either in SL or somewhere else. I am living happily in an European country, academic and highly successful. I lived through the war in SL, experienced intimidation in the hands of SL Forces and the Tamil extremist whoever it may be, but I am not a supporter of war or a separate country for Tamils in SL provided that all Srilankan citizens have the same rights and duties and not discriminated. And until any SL Govt. is wise enough to implement the basic rights of its landsmen, their won’t be any trust and however no peace in SL. It is a sell out for our country, and Srilankans who parade for separate county for Tamils or a Sinhalese Buddhist homeland with alien rights for the minorities or assimilation in to the majority are not really wanting lasting peace for their fellow citizens. SADLY and UNFORTUNATELY.

  • http://referendumintheDiaspora Zorro

    NoEalamInSL,

    you represent a stance that all Tamils are potential terrorists and LTTE backers, and anybody, any NGO or any government asking for an independent inquiry into the war crimes of GoSL and LTTE is manipulated by LTTE supporters. You see what the GoSL doing with the opposition party supporters and you dare to criticize and you asking for the release of SF? how come, they are doing it for the betterment of the country and SF threatened the GoSL to reveal the War crimes and potentially bring them to Hague, so it is though correct to put him behind the bars, isn’t it? Why are you feeling all of a sudden that this is your democratic duty to ask to free SF at the risk of a war tribunal?
    In the second WW the Germans killed 6 Million Jews among many more from other EU countries and most Germans were not asking why and were backing Hitler, but a few had the guts to say no and opposed the system to be hanged. Whom do you think being more patriotic? Or would you say if the majority backed their then leader, they are patriotic? then you accept it was right to kill 6 Mil. Jews. Democracy is an instrument to preserve the basic human rights, and if the basic human rights are not respected it means that we are moving towards a dictatorship, and it smells like that in SL.

  • http://www.youtube.com/noealaminsl NoEealamInSL

    Zorro,

    Unfortunatley, yes, 99% Tamils are pro-Eelam. Yes, 99% Tamil Diapsora are in favour of Eelam and LTTE, that is the conclusion we made after the referendum held in Canada, Norway, EU, UK. So If you say me “you represent a stance that all Tamils are potential terrorists and LTTE backers” I cant disagree, can I? Below you will find the outcome of the Eelam referdum around the world. 99% say they want Eelam. Are y ou coming from a another planet to not to see the reality?

    No anti-Elamist will allow war crimes investigations in Sri Lanka. SF made a statement on personal issue with GR, and that is well known. He will never go to war crimes investigation, he knows that himself very well. He was the commander of Army. He is a hero. There were no intended crimes against civilians. Civilians caught in fire. It cant be compared to Nazi-Jews. GOSL protected and rescued Tamils. Pro-Eelamist want to go for two-state option in Sri Lanka through warcrimes/genocide path, just like in other conflicts back by Europeans, the former colonial slave traders. They created the problem in Sri Lanka bringing colies from South India. They messed/messing up every where. Thats why terror diplomat like Miliband shamlesly appear in Eelam platforms. Miliband is an embarrasemnet to British people. He is a nerd to say “no” to WTF/BTF. White British are begging Tamil votes. It is not very far that those Tamils ask a part of Britain as Eelam. Tamils want Eelam every where. They are planning are a global netwerk of Transitional government. That is:

    “A Government in Exile represents a government that has been deposed by invasion or revolution and exists outside of its homeland.” http://www.uktamilnews.com/?p=5986

    Here are the facts for youd kind perusal:

    TAMIL DIASPORA: 99% “YES” TO EELAM/LTTE

    1. Largest possible turnout, 99.33 percent British Tamils aspire Tamil Eelam – 01 February 2010.
    In an unprecedented turnout that brought 64,692 Eezham Tamils to vote in the referendum held last weekend in UK, 64,256 (99.33%) said they aspire to the formation of independent and sovereign Tamil Eelam in the contiguous north and east of the island of Sri Lanka. 185 (0.29%) voted against and 251 (0.39%) votes were spoilt. http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=31116

    2. 99.2 percent voters consent Tamil Eelam in Holland: – 25 January 2010
    In the referendum held in Holland on Sunday on the formation of independent and sovereign Tamil Eelam in the North and East of the island of Sri Lanka, 2,750 voters participated and 99.2 percent of them aspired for it. 2,728 said yes, 9 voted no and 13 votes were invalid. http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=31058

    3. Overwhelming turnout of voters in Germany, 99% mandate Tamil Eelam – 24 Jan 2010 99.2 percent of voters said yes to Tamil Eelam in an impressive turn out of more than 90% of eligible Eezham Tamil voters for the referendum in Germany on Sunday. http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=31054

    4. 99 percent Norway Tamils aspire for Tamil Eelam – 11 May 2009
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=29326
    Out of 5,633 votes polled, 5,574 votes were in favour of Tamil Eelam and 50 votes went against it. 9 votes were invalid.

    5. 99% assent Tamil Eelam in overwhelming turn out of 31,000 in France 14.Dec. 2009. 31,148 eligible Eezham Tamil diaspora voters over 18 in France participated this weekend in the referendum to say yes or no to independent and sovereign Tamil Eelam and 30,936 of them have said yes.
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=30793

    6. 99.8 percent say yes to Tamil Eelam in Canada referendum – 20 December 2009. 99.82 percent of 48,583 voters mandated independent and sovereign Tamil Eelam in the poll conducted in 31 centres across Canada, Saturday.
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=30845

  • Atheist

    Sanjeeva,

    I have never known a “pacifist” eager to wave a flag until now. I suppose flag waving, yahoo “pacifists” are not a rarity after all.

    If you’ve made a happy and successful life for yourself somewhere in a European country, wouldn’t it make more sense to wave the flag of that country? Why would you even make an issue of waving the Sri-Lankan flag? Besides, I am sure Sri-Lanka has plenty of people who are proud to hold up the Sri-Lankan flag any day. You don’t need to worry about that.

    While you revel in feelings of bitterness, a true pacifist would be looking at ways of bringing people together.

    As for your academic “success”, I just say, ptooey!