Kill ‘em all and let GOD sort ‘em out.
Anything less than that would be impossible.
]]>This is what I expect. If GOSL did nothing wrong, it would have turned up at the UN, armed to the hilt with evidence of its innocence. That’s what innocent people do when falsely accused. But instead, it preferred to point its fingers back at its accusers, and used verbosity to cover up the lack of evidence.
As for civilian hostages not being in favour of the army but of the LTTE, that should make you think. Why did they prefer terrorists (known to kill their own community on a whim) to their own state army? Could it be that these civilians have suffered more at the hands of the army than at the hands of the LTTE? Any government worth its salt would see that they have failed their people in not gaining their trust. But not GOSL.
Sri Lanka free at last? Only if by Sri Lanka, you mean Sinhalese. Nobody behind barbed wire, swimming in excreta, considers themselves free. The largest rescue mission indeed! It’s certainly nothing like any rescue mission I’ve seen, where people get to go home and be reunited with their family, instead of being incarcerated. I would anytime prefer a quick death by bullets than long drawn out humiliation at the hands of morally defunct people.
I note that you have nothing to say about the president’s own boast that the army used civilians as bait to reel in the Tigers.
]]>It is interesting but strange enough not to believe your pathetic post. The facts and figures given by Rajiva were to support his accusations of corruption and hypocrisy of European Union and NGO. They are just empty rhetoric words for you. Pity to hear “I wanted to laugh when Prof. Rajiva demanded transparency from the UN” regarding corruption and hypocrisy of NGO who funded bunkers, swimming pools, vehicles, weapons from the tax payers’ money in Europe, where LTTE is proscribed.
When I heard Rajiva, my jaws dropped out of socket with my eyes popped out. That’s the difference you and me. You voice for the Tigers, I voice for the IDPs.
Gordon Weiss represented UN; the guardian of democracy has given two bias statements in favour of LTTE. For you it is not so important. You say “no evidence, just a lot of blustering”, while minister claimed that he had proved previous statement was based on a counterfeit RDHS document.
You said “SL army used innocent civilians as pawns to help them win the war”, you are flipping the coin now. Civilian hostages were not in favour of army but LTTE. It helped IC to put the pressure on the government to stop the war because of a possible “Blood Bath predicted by Gordon Weiss”. Europeans pressurized only the government for a ceasefire. So called Blood Bath didn’t occur. 250,000 civilians were rescued from terrorists. It was the largest rescue mission on earth. The super powers looked at Sri Lanka with their jaws dropped from their sockets and their eyes popped out! Didn’t they?
You keep pushing West European funded/ owned HRW, ICRC, Media, International Criminal court. You want to convince me that they are unbiased and let them in without restrictions to see what is happening in camps, but we are not that dumb to realize the tricks of the bird brains.
Sri Lanka is doing its best for its citizens; GOSL doesn’t need any advice from mass slaughters of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan on how to do a humanitarian operation. Neither can you convince ordinary citizens like me good and bad. We have lived with terrorism for thirty years; finally we got rid of them. Sri Lanka Free at last, free at last!
]]>Then, Mahinda talking about Gordon Weiss–again, no evidence provided for anything that is being claimed. Just a lot of blustering.
I wonder at your claiming that you have the handle on the truth of what happened (that there was no civilian bloodbath, that IDPs are being well-taken care of, etc) when the state will not allow media, local and international, access to the camps unless they are on army-guided tours. NGO access is also restricted. Does not this cloak-and-dagger business raise alarm bells with you? Plus, GOSL itself publishes names of dissenting journalists, which is quickly followed up with murders or assault of said journalists. What are you basing your so-called knowledge on? Faith in state propaganda? That isn’t enough for some of us.
It’s very clear from your posts that it’s you that cries crocodile tears. You pretend to be concerned about the displaced Tamils, but anyone can see from these posts and those in other threads that, for you, this is about Sinhalese vs Tamils. It’s not about human rights, or concern for fellow-citizens, or anxiety that the nation should behave ethically. What you’re after is protecting the reputation of GOSL and Sinhalese. As far as you’re concerned, the IDPs deserve their fate simply because they are from the same ethnic group as the Tigers. That is why you keep bringing up the history of Tiger terrorism, when everyone else is talking about innocent civilians.
I have no quarrel with Sinhalese, but plenty with GOSL. When someone acts secretively and refuses to be transparent, I suspect that they are doing something wrong. I believe that is the only reasonable position to take. I won’t believe that the IDPs are being treated fairly and reasonably until the camps are freely accessible to the media (and not just those selected by the government).
As for their being no civilian bloodbath, do you not know that your own president boasted in an interview with the Indian media that the SL Army tricked the Tigers into going into the lagoon area by declaring it to be a safe zone for the civilians? So, yes, the Tigers used civilians as their shields. But the SL army used innocent civilians as pawns to help them win the war. Governments are supposed to protect citizens, not push them into the path of danger. So, when they were killing the Tigers, pray tell me how did they distinguish Tigers from the civilians?
]]>None of the respondents in this group are condoning the LTTE or disclaiming the hypocrisy of Western govts. But that does not mean we should not speak up for the rights of humans in our nation, or that we should condone what the govt in Sri Lanka does.
To assume that the SLankan govt, with the blood of innocent civilians – not from just from the North, but from the South, from among the Sinhalese here – is the best thing that Sri Lanka has had? The final sentence in your last comment actually says it all. If, this nation feels that MR and his band of murderous corrupt politicians is the best leadership SLanka has had…I can only pity what this nation will become!
Just to reassure you, you have not rendered me speechless – it takes a lot to do that. You have merely rendered further comment pointless. Hence the non-response. However, I do find it amusing to read your conclusions regarding my personality and my likeness to Hitler. It is “virtual psychology” at its most entertaining.
]]>I have made you silent and speechless. You are speechless after I unmasked the real culprits of Tamil sufferings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnyybN7y11g Prof Rajiva does talk about IDPs. Not only you, the whole chamber of UNHRC stood still when Prof Rajiva made his stunning speeches. Look at the faces of UN representatives sat next to him. The reactions they had for remarks; Stunned, just like you.
LTTE infiltrated even UN, HRW, ICRC, and UNHRC with the help of West Europeans. LTTE voiced on streets across the globe thanks to West European states. LTTE killed more and more Tamil civilians to pressurize IC and the GOSL. UN Spokesman Gordon Weiss announced the civilian bloodbath which never occurred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk0cxwZLdkY
HRW represented terrorists instead of democratic government. They let kill civilians. Now crocodile tears for flood in IDP camps.
You gave up not because of jokers, because of bitter truth behind IDPs and Tamil sufferings. People here, are playing games. The real culprits are not the government or Sinhalese; real culprits are the humanitarian preachers with croc tears!
]]>“…..by giving just two hour notice, Prabhakaran chased away more than 10,000 Tamil speaking Muslim families from the North to the refugee camps in the Puttalam district. These families were uprooted from their traditional homeland in Jaffna, Vavuniya and Mannar. Me and my family is one of them…..”
You have missed out Mullaitheevu muslims!!
We every one has affected in some way. The fact that Pirapakaran chased the muslim out of that area doesn’t mean that it belongs to Pirapakaran or it is NOT yours. It is your birth right to live where you born. No one can take this right away from you.
]]>I give up brother/sister.
I ask about IDPs and you talk about some jokers getting money from LTTE.!
]]>In my previous post http://www.groundviews.org/2009/08/16/update-on-menik-camp-flooding-more-images-and-reports-from-the-ground/#comment-8349 I included important issues with relevant video (perhaps not 100% but an still you can get an idea), if you are not interested, you give me an impression that you don’t want to listen to others, and you want others to listen to you which reminds me of a Hitler type personality.
I am angered by injustice done to Sri Lanka, I am prejudiced (if I am) due to western pro-tiger and anti-Sri Lanka perception in the past and present. Yet I do not let my fellow Tamil brothers and sisters to suffer in IDP camps nor anywhere else in Sri Lanka. This discussion should bring comfort to those who need and not for most irresponsible Western States, journalists and NGOs who are responsible for Tamil Carnage and sufferings done by LTTE. Every time when west want to attack Sri Lanka they use IDP or Humanitarian issue. They are still after “Two State option” which is the goal in their hidden agendas and IDP and HR issues are their milestones.
I am not here to white wash any government or any organization; I am here to shed lights to people who are in the dark. They can choose whether to stay in dark or come to light. People like you prefer to stay in the dark.
The videos of speech done by Rajiva at UNHRC revealed NGO & Western Hypocrisy and corruption. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnyybN7y11g
You pointed out GOSL bad governs ignoring bad practices of most accountable organizations for Sri Lankan crisis. I don’t think we can go further with our discussion.
If you ask my personal view regarding MR government, I would say it is the best government so far in Sri Lanka, but not the perfect, still can be improved.
NoEalamInSL
]]>From what I understand, there are many poor Sri-Lankans (living in Sri-Lanka)donating money and other supplies to the IDP’s.
It is the Diaspora that is hampering the process by peddling misinformation – not just about the camps – but about the entire country in general. This is what I meant by “we should all get together as Sri-Lankans”. If we stick to this principle, half the problem is solved. However, if people continue to play dirty politics, it is the IDP’s that will, once again, be caught in this vicious cycle.
Of course the government has to improve the conditions in the camps and speed up the resettlement process so that the IDP’s can quickly integrate back into society. The government must also be held accountable for the safety and protection of all the people in the camps. I don’t think there is any person out there who would disagree with this.
Having said this, our criticism of the camps must be directed soley at the government – not at the people of Sri-Lanka. How can anyone who confuses the two engage in humanitarian work?
]]>Whatever happened to the request of the relatives of these elderly and children to be released to them. These are people who have been living under the govt’s control. You have to try your luck in some other way.
Everyone else except you lack the intelligence that they cannot think for themselves of the atrocities piles by the SL regime? Please give them some credit. If, as you say, MR is holy as an angel and white as chalk, why he has denied access to the international media to the once war zone? You want their money and assistance but want to conceal the massacre of civilians whose only fault was to forced in-between the crossfire from two recalcitrant antagonists. Stopping IDPs from talking freely to visiting UN personnel and state-managed visits, etc, has been part of the staged drama by this regime. There is more than enough goodwill from the NGOs and the international community and in actuality it is the other way round – this regime has not reciprocated the goodwill extended to it.
At least you agree that the govt has been unable to face the daunting task – a problem it created. Tell people to run for their freedom and telling the whole world that it is liberating the people but when they come out, catch them by the neck and lock them up in internment camps.
Blaming the NGOs for the assets/machinery possessed by LTTE is nothing new but I am yet to see a single credible report on this. If indeed this is true, charge them for misusing their conditions of work. Until them it is nothing more than rhetoric.
]]>Just a couple of questions for you:
1. Will the government (and Sri Lankans) know when the last LTTE cadre has been identified? I.e. do they have a complete list of the people they are looking for? Or does all this depend on ‘intuition’ and convenience? If they don’t know exactly how many and who they are looking for, could this be a witchhunt like the McCarthy trials, where people get themselves out of trouble by identifying other innocent people as culprits? This could go on till eternity.
2. Are you saying the security forces that apparently are the first in the world to get rid of a terrorist organization will be unable to deal with a few stray escaped cadres, who act entirely on their own, without organisational coordination? As far as I know, suicide bombers need somebody else to assemble the bombs for them, and someone else to plan the details. How is all this coordination going to take place with the world’s best terrorist-defeating forces being on the watch?
The burning question is: have the Tigers been defeated or are they still in operation? You can’t claim both.
]]>I do not need to waste my time replying the innacurate information you give regarding the improving conditions in the camps, the gratitude due to the government, the culpability of the victims incarcerated, the dangerous nature of the LTTE, the wonderful victory and salvation that the government of Sri Lanka brought.
It is also a waste of time attempting to respond to your views regarding the nature of the humanitarian situation here regarding the suffering and utter despair of 300000 civilians of this nation. For you these are “tamils” who were under the LTTE and perhaps supporters, who should be crawling with gratitude for what is extended to them.
It is obvious that you have little concern for them. So there remains nothing more to be said to you regarding the matter. A few others on this forum have already said it anyway.
But before you take up your cause and plead for trust in the government, take a look at what this government is doing in terms of civil rights, justice, and fairness to its citizens in the South. Take a look at the murders, the violence, the abductions, the threats made to Sinhalese in the South, take a look at the accusations leveled at many in the government regarding recent murders, take a look at the justice meted to the favourites of the government, take a look at the way lawyers are treated and the system of the law uphelp, take a look a the way the police of this nation behave with the blessing of this nation. Take a look at the anarchy and terror now governing the South.
…and then talk to us about the trust we should have in a trustworthy government and its leaders.
]]>Oh yah? costs of IDP 100% from UN/IC then why GOSL bothered?
Here is another interesting Eelam news: Rajnikanth, Vaiko, Ramdoss received Tigers’ money says a SL Minister: http://asiantribune.com/08/19/rajnikanth-vaiko-ramdoss-received-tigers-money-says-a-sl-minister/
“Did Rajnikanth, Vaiko and Ramdoss benefit from LTTE money?
Yes, they did, alleges Sri Lanka Minister for Resettlement and Disaster Relief Services Abdul Risath Bathiyutheen, who also claims that the Tigers funded business ventures and set up Tamil radio and TV stations in the West and Far East.”
” His ‘disclosures’ relating to Tamil Nadu are sensational, to say the least, Thols Thirumavalavan’s Viduthalaich Chiruththaikal, V. Gopalaswamy’s (Vaiko’s) Marumalarchchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Dr. S. Ramadoss’s Pattali Makkal Kadchchi, and P. Nedumaran’s President of the Tamil Nationalist Movement and Tamil Eelam Supporters Co-ordination Committee received the LTTE money right from the very beginning, according to Minister Risath Bathiyutheen.”
“the LTTE tried to pump in money into the SL stock exchange through an American hedge fund company. ‘The objective was to bring collapse of the corporate business sector in Sri Lanka. It did not succeed’.
” ‘My concern is not what had happened in the past, I only want the money that the LTTE took overseas for business ventures to come back. It can come back only if the LTTE remnants work towards that goal. I only want to prick their conscience. I hope my words will stir them into a course correction’.”
“‘If this blood money that is going around is returned to Sri Lanka, it will be a humanitarian gesture towards 300,000 Tamil Internally Displaced persons living in transit camps. Remember these people have become IDPs because of Tigers; because Prabhakaran took them as his human shield till he himself was killed, because the Wanni Tiger leadership made these people move like nomads with’.”
‘by giving just two hour notice, Prabhakaran chased away more than 10,000 Tamil speaking Muslim families from the North to the refugee camps in the Puttalam district. These families were uprooted from their traditional homeland in Jaffna, Vavuniya and Mannar. Me and my family is one of them.’
NoEalamInSL
]]>Yes we need to address the psychosocial needs of the soldiers!
]]>>>>The process of resettlement is long term
Yes indeed, but what is currently being asked is to give the IDPs freedom of movement, to go stay with friends and relatives rather than suffer in the miserable camps until conditions are conducive for speedy resettlement. There should also be a public plan that every IDP knows that outlines the time table and process of resettlement – as opposed to the state of limbo in which they are in now…. languishing in camps with children and sickness around with uncertainty is a pretty pathetic situation.
]]>>>>>3. Sinhalese and the government of Sri Lanka have sheltered 300,000 Tamils in huge camps and provided food and medicine. Internatinal community did not give 100% cooperation due to differences with GOSL.
Really, the UN and Government’s own data sheet detailing who is giving food to the IDPs gives an entirely differnt story – 100% is given by international community!!
>>>4. Sinhalese from South sent food and cloths medicine and volunteered to cook for mass while NGOs were rally Tamil Diaspora to voice against Sri Lanka.
Really….a rough estimate is that all the food that the southern people sent (bless all of them) could partially feed the people for a whole of about 10 days max. Even that is a stretch. Do you have any idea as to how much food came from south and do you have any idea as to how much it costs to feed 300,000 IDPs?
And by the way, since July the Government is moving people to individual cooking where they get WFP rations (five items) and will have to find the rest themselves. So many IDPs are eating out of their own savings while at least 2/3rds are suffering. How would you feel if you are forced to eat out of your savings and not go out to earn money?
>>>16. Natural disasters are beyond government control and were not prepared for floods but now it has been corrected.
REALLY…can you tell me how? As of this morning when we heard Minister Rishard Bathiudeen speak to the agencies and department heads in Vanni it was clear the Govt had no plans! Or if they had they are not telling the IDPs or those who are working for their betterment and are telling only people named NoEalam!!
]]>You got me wrong…read my response clearly….
I do want to work as Sri Lankans as you plead….but what should we as Sri Lankans do when 280,000 other Sri Lankans are locked up in internment camps and left to suffer in miserable conditions?
What do we do? I ask….and you ask ‘dont you want to be a Sri lankan?’
]]>It is truly unbelievable how blind these patriots are to the suffering of nearly 300,000 countrymen. That is the biggest tragedy of all.
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