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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The manner in which Bob Rae, a former Prime Minister of Ontario, was denied entry and deported after being issued a visa by the Sri Lanka High Commission (with clearance from Colombo) was both clumsy and disgraceful. It was ridiculous to refer to him as a threat to our national security. Rae has been to Sri Lanka several times in the past and has been a strong supporter of democracy and human rights. Only last year he wrote in a Canadian newspaper referring to the LTTE as &quot;a merciless armed group ... engaged in brutal attacks against civilians as well as assassinations of their opponents.&quot; The UTHR (J) in a report issued last week referred to Bob Rae as having chaired a Human Rights Watch meeting in December 2004 in Toronto launching a report looking into the LTTE&#039;s recruitment of children. &quot;It was his commitment to Tamil children that led him to take a strong stand on the child soldier issue even as pro-LTTE activists attempted to disrupt the meeting.&quot;

To justify the action in denying entry to Rae, pro-establishment journalists and other apologists have tried to portray him as a supporter of the LTTE without an iota of evidence. The standards of integrity of some journalists with a political agenda have been exposed in the Groundviews web blog, A senior journalist writing a political column in another Sunday newspaper tries to make out that Rae was an LTTE supporter and refers to the following sentence in his biographical details allegedly published in the online Wikipedia encyclopedia: &quot;(Rae) is known as a supporter of the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam), and has supported openly for a separate State for the Tamils in Sri Lanka by dividing the island into two&quot; But Groundviews&#039; investigation has revealed that Bob Rae&#039;s profile was  first entered to Wikipedia on 23 June 2003. This particular sentence (in line with the defence establishment&#039;s reasons for refusal of entry) first appeared on Rae&#039;s profile on Wikipedia on 11th June and was up there for less than 12 hours. The edit with this controversial sentence was made by an anonymous contributor at 6.31 hrs on 11 June and by 17.12hrs, it had been taken out.

Is it merely a curious coincidence that the journalist has ignored Rae profile that has appeared in Wikipedia for seven years and chosen to quote a sentence that was inserted by an anonymous contributor and which was up for less than 12 hours? &lt;strong&gt;Surely, senior journalists need not be reminded of Scott&#039;s well known dictum for journalists: â€˜Comment is free but facts are sacred&#039;. And journalists who publish â€˜news&#039; received from tainted sources do so at the peril of their journalistic integrity.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

Taken from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.island.lk/2009/06/20/features1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The IDPs need to be treated just like other citizens&lt;/a&gt;, published in &lt;em&gt;The Island&lt;/em&gt;, 20 June 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The manner in which Bob Rae, a former Prime Minister of Ontario, was denied entry and deported after being issued a visa by the Sri Lanka High Commission (with clearance from Colombo) was both clumsy and disgraceful. It was ridiculous to refer to him as a threat to our national security. Rae has been to Sri Lanka several times in the past and has been a strong supporter of democracy and human rights. Only last year he wrote in a Canadian newspaper referring to the LTTE as &#8220;a merciless armed group &#8230; engaged in brutal attacks against civilians as well as assassinations of their opponents.&#8221; The UTHR (J) in a report issued last week referred to Bob Rae as having chaired a Human Rights Watch meeting in December 2004 in Toronto launching a report looking into the LTTE&#8217;s recruitment of children. &#8220;It was his commitment to Tamil children that led him to take a strong stand on the child soldier issue even as pro-LTTE activists attempted to disrupt the meeting.&#8221;</p>
<p>To justify the action in denying entry to Rae, pro-establishment journalists and other apologists have tried to portray him as a supporter of the LTTE without an iota of evidence. The standards of integrity of some journalists with a political agenda have been exposed in the Groundviews web blog, A senior journalist writing a political column in another Sunday newspaper tries to make out that Rae was an LTTE supporter and refers to the following sentence in his biographical details allegedly published in the online Wikipedia encyclopedia: &#8220;(Rae) is known as a supporter of the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam), and has supported openly for a separate State for the Tamils in Sri Lanka by dividing the island into two&#8221; But Groundviews&#8217; investigation has revealed that Bob Rae&#8217;s profile was  first entered to Wikipedia on 23 June 2003. This particular sentence (in line with the defence establishment&#8217;s reasons for refusal of entry) first appeared on Rae&#8217;s profile on Wikipedia on 11th June and was up there for less than 12 hours. The edit with this controversial sentence was made by an anonymous contributor at 6.31 hrs on 11 June and by 17.12hrs, it had been taken out.</p>
<p>Is it merely a curious coincidence that the journalist has ignored Rae profile that has appeared in Wikipedia for seven years and chosen to quote a sentence that was inserted by an anonymous contributor and which was up for less than 12 hours? <strong>Surely, senior journalists need not be reminded of Scott&#8217;s well known dictum for journalists: â€˜Comment is free but facts are sacred&#8217;. And journalists who publish â€˜news&#8217; received from tainted sources do so at the peril of their journalistic integrity.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Taken from <a href="http://www.island.lk/2009/06/20/features1.html" rel="nofollow">The IDPs need to be treated just like other citizens</a>, published in <em>The Island</em>, 20 June 2009</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-7001</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Observer - you deserve to be a ST reader. The issue is not about awards - if in doubt, try to read and comprehend the original article and resulting comments. 

If you have any concerns about the content here, given your prolific and verbose comments, I&#039;m surprised you were silent about it without querying respective authors? 

As for standards, if you looked around the site you may have encountered &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groundviews.org/submission-guidelines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;. It appears that Migara / Sinha&#039;s myopia is sadly contagious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Observer &#8211; you deserve to be a ST reader. The issue is not about awards &#8211; if in doubt, try to read and comprehend the original article and resulting comments. </p>
<p>If you have any concerns about the content here, given your prolific and verbose comments, I&#8217;m surprised you were silent about it without querying respective authors? </p>
<p>As for standards, if you looked around the site you may have encountered <a href="http://www.groundviews.org/submission-guidelines/" rel="nofollow">this</a>. It appears that Migara / Sinha&#8217;s myopia is sadly contagious.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-7000</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanjana, it is a bit cheap to take a swipe at a competing news paper isn&#039;t it? Direct conflict of interest no doubts. 
As migara has said why don&#039;t we just leave the masses to decide? After all it&#039;s a democratic endorsement of the public isn&#039;t it?
For instance we have our reasons for reading and commenting on ground views. And you do quite proudly boast the site stats no? No.1 citizen journalism, this award, that award, etc. etc. So what shame in migara stating his stats? 

I have a lot of concern with majority of the &quot;journalistic&quot; articles published here with no references at all. Though I see it is getting better now, slightly. If you promote this blog as journalistic type then please the codes of ethics and standards that applies to journalism applies to this blog too. But we don&#039;t even see a Wiki reference in most of the articles! Some articles, you just have to wonder how it got through an editor. 

I&#039;m not trying to say this blog is bad, all I&#039;m saying is all of you&#039;re paddling in the same boat. Trying to find moral high ground is just ....... Please don&#039;t censor this. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanjana, it is a bit cheap to take a swipe at a competing news paper isn&#8217;t it? Direct conflict of interest no doubts.<br />
As migara has said why don&#8217;t we just leave the masses to decide? After all it&#8217;s a democratic endorsement of the public isn&#8217;t it?<br />
For instance we have our reasons for reading and commenting on ground views. And you do quite proudly boast the site stats no? No.1 citizen journalism, this award, that award, etc. etc. So what shame in migara stating his stats? </p>
<p>I have a lot of concern with majority of the &#8220;journalistic&#8221; articles published here with no references at all. Though I see it is getting better now, slightly. If you promote this blog as journalistic type then please the codes of ethics and standards that applies to journalism applies to this blog too. But we don&#8217;t even see a Wiki reference in most of the articles! Some articles, you just have to wonder how it got through an editor. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say this blog is bad, all I&#8217;m saying is all of you&#8217;re paddling in the same boat. Trying to find moral high ground is just &#8230;&#8230;. Please don&#8217;t censor this. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: blashpemous</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6987</link>
		<dc:creator>blashpemous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, there.

The ST Editor&#039;s comments are amusing indeed.  I have more readers --&gt; my stuff is always better --&gt; I am not subject to criticism from people with less readers.  Then replace &quot;readers&quot; with &quot;awards&quot; and repeat.  As he says, the &quot;proof&quot; exists because &quot;people vote with their wallets&quot;.

This argument might hold if journalism isn&#039;t also a business, if people aren&#039;t creatures of habit, and if the target audience only subscribes to one newspaper.  I read all of the SL papers, myself.  But I read them online, of course -- a fool and his money are soon parted.

SL journalism has already witnessed a sharp decline in quality that compounds the more obvious threat to Southern journalists (which has been happening to Tamil journalists for quite some years before, but as Lasantha alluded to, then they were through eliminating Tamils and came for him).  But I think the elephant in the room for many is that this issue of SL journalism stems from the deterioration of all institutions in SL.  The impunity afforded, the wrecked institutions ignored are the allowances that were given to the govt. by the SL populace when they voted the Pres.&#039;s administration in and supported the Final War policies.  We have to own this situation, too, to own our faults before we can reclaim our agency and correct those faults, if we are to effect lasting change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, there.</p>
<p>The ST Editor&#8217;s comments are amusing indeed.  I have more readers &#8211;&gt; my stuff is always better &#8211;&gt; I am not subject to criticism from people with less readers.  Then replace &#8220;readers&#8221; with &#8220;awards&#8221; and repeat.  As he says, the &#8220;proof&#8221; exists because &#8220;people vote with their wallets&#8221;.</p>
<p>This argument might hold if journalism isn&#8217;t also a business, if people aren&#8217;t creatures of habit, and if the target audience only subscribes to one newspaper.  I read all of the SL papers, myself.  But I read them online, of course &#8212; a fool and his money are soon parted.</p>
<p>SL journalism has already witnessed a sharp decline in quality that compounds the more obvious threat to Southern journalists (which has been happening to Tamil journalists for quite some years before, but as Lasantha alluded to, then they were through eliminating Tamils and came for him).  But I think the elephant in the room for many is that this issue of SL journalism stems from the deterioration of all institutions in SL.  The impunity afforded, the wrecked institutions ignored are the allowances that were given to the govt. by the SL populace when they voted the Pres.&#8217;s administration in and supported the Final War policies.  We have to own this situation, too, to own our faults before we can reclaim our agency and correct those faults, if we are to effect lasting change.</p>
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		<title>By: Gini Appu</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6980</link>
		<dc:creator>Gini Appu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of our politicians (Mahinda, et. al.) play  the ethnic drums, even though they are only opportunists and not racists...

Some of our journalists (Sinha, Gamini, et.al.) are racists at heart and yet they are desperate for the acceptance of those who are not...

Funny how they (Politicians &amp; Journalists) sell their souls from opposite ends of the divide and yet they are so much alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of our politicians (Mahinda, et. al.) play  the ethnic drums, even though they are only opportunists and not racists&#8230;</p>
<p>Some of our journalists (Sinha, Gamini, et.al.) are racists at heart and yet they are desperate for the acceptance of those who are not&#8230;</p>
<p>Funny how they (Politicians &amp; Journalists) sell their souls from opposite ends of the divide and yet they are so much alike.</p>
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		<title>By: nandasena</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6975</link>
		<dc:creator>nandasena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry .J, wants the Canadian dolalrs, but not their visit!! What is the security risk he was posing, was he carrying a Gun or Bomb?  This is like give us money, but don&#039;t talk.  Do not think others are fools. The whole world know that Sri lanka is hiding GENOCIDE!!! No amount of white washing will wash Mahinda Rajapakse and his clan&#039;s sins away!! Sri Lanka ceased to be a democracy long ago.  It got worse and worse every day!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry .J, wants the Canadian dolalrs, but not their visit!! What is the security risk he was posing, was he carrying a Gun or Bomb?  This is like give us money, but don&#8217;t talk.  Do not think others are fools. The whole world know that Sri lanka is hiding GENOCIDE!!! No amount of white washing will wash Mahinda Rajapakse and his clan&#8217;s sins away!! Sri Lanka ceased to be a democracy long ago.  It got worse and worse every day!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dilkusha</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6973</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilkusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this post with interest and am glad that there are journalist who adhere to and value the highest standards in journalism.  My daughter is in the middle of her undergraduate studies and I recall her mentioning that &quot;wikepedia&quot; is not a valid or permitted source to be quoted when handing  in her assignments.  I am sure many of us go on &quot;wikepedia&quot; extensively but since it is an open source, verifying the content via other journals or documents is the responsibility of the writer if the writer can&#039;t substantiate the facts on &quot;wiki&quot; the article does indeed appear weak and false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this post with interest and am glad that there are journalist who adhere to and value the highest standards in journalism.  My daughter is in the middle of her undergraduate studies and I recall her mentioning that &#8220;wikepedia&#8221; is not a valid or permitted source to be quoted when handing  in her assignments.  I am sure many of us go on &#8220;wikepedia&#8221; extensively but since it is an open source, verifying the content via other journals or documents is the responsibility of the writer if the writer can&#8217;t substantiate the facts on &#8220;wiki&#8221; the article does indeed appear weak and false.</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6970</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ blashpemous

My response to the post on Voices in Exile you point to, still awaiting moderation, was as follows:

Hi,

Thanks for this super follow up. I stand corrected on the issue of using Wikipedia as a source in Sunday articles. The two excellent AJR articles I point to in the piece on Groundviews clearly note the potential and pitfalls of using Wikipedia in particular and web based sources in general.

The examples you point to above are very revealing! I&#039;m happy to engage in conversation on how best online sources can be referenced, or whether they can be at all. The point I was trying to make is that whereas Groundviews, for example, points to Wikipedia references through the Apture plugin and direct hyperlinks, at no point has an allegation as serious as the one made against Rae by the Sunday Times being based on a Wikipedia article alone.

When bad journalism marries contentious web sources, the result is a product that through ignorance or malevolence misdirects and misinforms the public. While on the one hand this is a strong case for strengthening media literacy, it is also a strong case to urgently develop capacities of senior journalists and Editors to more fruitfully leverage the web and Internet in support of independent and professional reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ blashpemous</p>
<p>My response to the post on Voices in Exile you point to, still awaiting moderation, was as follows:</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for this super follow up. I stand corrected on the issue of using Wikipedia as a source in Sunday articles. The two excellent AJR articles I point to in the piece on Groundviews clearly note the potential and pitfalls of using Wikipedia in particular and web based sources in general.</p>
<p>The examples you point to above are very revealing! I&#8217;m happy to engage in conversation on how best online sources can be referenced, or whether they can be at all. The point I was trying to make is that whereas Groundviews, for example, points to Wikipedia references through the Apture plugin and direct hyperlinks, at no point has an allegation as serious as the one made against Rae by the Sunday Times being based on a Wikipedia article alone.</p>
<p>When bad journalism marries contentious web sources, the result is a product that through ignorance or malevolence misdirects and misinforms the public. While on the one hand this is a strong case for strengthening media literacy, it is also a strong case to urgently develop capacities of senior journalists and Editors to more fruitfully leverage the web and Internet in support of independent and professional reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: blashpemous</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6969</link>
		<dc:creator>blashpemous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The relevant excerpt from the link I posted above (minus the hyperlinking):

We all use it, even Groundviews.  Actually, so do The Island, the Sunday Observer, and The Sunday Leader.  But you know, I&#039;m actually glad that they cite their sources.  This shows that they have some journalistic integrity, if that&#039;s any consolation.  I mean, it could be worse.  In fact, all of these traditional print Sri Lankan newspapers use Wikipedia and cite it as a source when they do.  How odd!  Now there is a story worth investigatingâ€¦


I don&#039;t know why this whole discussion has become a back-and-forth between Sanjana and Sunday Times supporters, only.  It&#039;s now endemic of all Sri Lankan journalism.  According to the website, even award-winning Iqbal Athas used it.  I&#039;m sure Wikipedia is just the most obvious manifestation of a more fundamental issue here.

So.....   we&#039;re all in this together.  What do we say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The relevant excerpt from the link I posted above (minus the hyperlinking):</p>
<p>We all use it, even Groundviews.  Actually, so do The Island, the Sunday Observer, and The Sunday Leader.  But you know, I&#8217;m actually glad that they cite their sources.  This shows that they have some journalistic integrity, if that&#8217;s any consolation.  I mean, it could be worse.  In fact, all of these traditional print Sri Lankan newspapers use Wikipedia and cite it as a source when they do.  How odd!  Now there is a story worth investigatingâ€¦</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why this whole discussion has become a back-and-forth between Sanjana and Sunday Times supporters, only.  It&#8217;s now endemic of all Sri Lankan journalism.  According to the website, even award-winning Iqbal Athas used it.  I&#8217;m sure Wikipedia is just the most obvious manifestation of a more fundamental issue here.</p>
<p>So&#8230;..   we&#8217;re all in this together.  What do we say?</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6967</link>
		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What high standards has the ST indulged in - rubbish. Our newspapers have been called the &#039;kept press&#039; very appropriately. They have not practised fair and objective reporting but have been subservient to the government for fear of their lives perhaps. But then to talk of high standards is utter hypocrisy. They indulge in self censorship and do not report facts objectively for public enlightenment as is so vital in a democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties should strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. The Sunday Leader alone fearlessly exposed the graft and hypocrisy of the rulers and poor Lasantha paid the supreme price. No wonder that paper has won international awards. The Groundviews also has been filling a role publishing more objectively what is the truth instead of sucking up to the government -the President and the Ministers. It has published articles which would never be published by the likes of the Sunday Times. So to fault the Groundviews editor and say he is in a conflcit of interest situation and his assessments should be rejected is utter nonsense. I suggest the ST adopt the standards of the Groundviews- publish whatever the public needs to know even if it will displease the powers that be. Selective reporting (spiking, double standards) are very common among  our newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What high standards has the ST indulged in &#8211; rubbish. Our newspapers have been called the &#8216;kept press&#8217; very appropriately. They have not practised fair and objective reporting but have been subservient to the government for fear of their lives perhaps. But then to talk of high standards is utter hypocrisy. They indulge in self censorship and do not report facts objectively for public enlightenment as is so vital in a democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties should strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. The Sunday Leader alone fearlessly exposed the graft and hypocrisy of the rulers and poor Lasantha paid the supreme price. No wonder that paper has won international awards. The Groundviews also has been filling a role publishing more objectively what is the truth instead of sucking up to the government -the President and the Ministers. It has published articles which would never be published by the likes of the Sunday Times. So to fault the Groundviews editor and say he is in a conflcit of interest situation and his assessments should be rejected is utter nonsense. I suggest the ST adopt the standards of the Groundviews- publish whatever the public needs to know even if it will displease the powers that be. Selective reporting (spiking, double standards) are very common among  our newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: ThiFerdi</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6966</link>
		<dc:creator>ThiFerdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinha Migara Ratnatunge, editor of Sunday Times every Sunday â€˜people vote with their wallets for the best selling Sunday newspaper&#039;, using a commercial jingle to cover up for a lack of substance. False claim, as the best selling Sunday newspaper remains the Sunday Observer, though it maybe for all the wrong reasons such as an excess of obituaries and classified ads etc., 

But despite his ranting about being the best (what a monkey praising his own tail) Sunday Times cannot even get ahead of the classified-packed Sunday Observer. The only reason the Sunday Times has some kind of circulation now even though those figures are below that of Sunday Observer, is that the Times without being able to beat them, decided to join them and beat the Observer with a classified hit-ad section. So many of my friends put away the Sunday Times when they buy it, and after committing the main section to the waste paper basket they keep the hit-ad section all week.

The Sunday Times has certainly not won more excellence in journalism awards than the other papers and the opposite of that is true. Almost all other English language newspapers have won more awards than the Sunday Times. Take last year for instance when the â€˜Nation&#039; won a good deal of awards, before that paper went under due to external pressures, and the Sunday Times won none. It has been the case in previous years with the â€˜Leader&#039; winning most of the awards, and the Sunday Times winning some sporadically.

Sinha Migara Ratnatunge of the Sunday times is a journalistic fossil. He started the Excellence in Journalism awards thinking that his Sunday Times would win all the awards. He is now quite obviously irrelevant in journalism be it in cyberspace or print, and that&#039;s a fair guess why he is so defensive. Poor Migara, for journalism has progressed far beyond his feudal one-dimensional vision of it.

Last but not least, Sinha Migara Rant-natunge should be hauled before the SL Press Complaints Commission not about Wikipedia but about all the false assertions he makes here with regard to circulation and with regard to awards Sunday Times never won, fibs that can be authoritatively debunked with even the most rudimentary of research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinha Migara Ratnatunge, editor of Sunday Times every Sunday â€˜people vote with their wallets for the best selling Sunday newspaper&#8217;, using a commercial jingle to cover up for a lack of substance. False claim, as the best selling Sunday newspaper remains the Sunday Observer, though it maybe for all the wrong reasons such as an excess of obituaries and classified ads etc., </p>
<p>But despite his ranting about being the best (what a monkey praising his own tail) Sunday Times cannot even get ahead of the classified-packed Sunday Observer. The only reason the Sunday Times has some kind of circulation now even though those figures are below that of Sunday Observer, is that the Times without being able to beat them, decided to join them and beat the Observer with a classified hit-ad section. So many of my friends put away the Sunday Times when they buy it, and after committing the main section to the waste paper basket they keep the hit-ad section all week.</p>
<p>The Sunday Times has certainly not won more excellence in journalism awards than the other papers and the opposite of that is true. Almost all other English language newspapers have won more awards than the Sunday Times. Take last year for instance when the â€˜Nation&#8217; won a good deal of awards, before that paper went under due to external pressures, and the Sunday Times won none. It has been the case in previous years with the â€˜Leader&#8217; winning most of the awards, and the Sunday Times winning some sporadically.</p>
<p>Sinha Migara Ratnatunge of the Sunday times is a journalistic fossil. He started the Excellence in Journalism awards thinking that his Sunday Times would win all the awards. He is now quite obviously irrelevant in journalism be it in cyberspace or print, and that&#8217;s a fair guess why he is so defensive. Poor Migara, for journalism has progressed far beyond his feudal one-dimensional vision of it.</p>
<p>Last but not least, Sinha Migara Rant-natunge should be hauled before the SL Press Complaints Commission not about Wikipedia but about all the false assertions he makes here with regard to circulation and with regard to awards Sunday Times never won, fibs that can be authoritatively debunked with even the most rudimentary of research.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederica</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6965</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as a columnist or writer of one newspaper commenting on another is concerned, it would be advice well directed to Migara&#039;s one time columnist Rajpal Abeynaike (trained by Sinha R no less) who is now the editor of the Lakbima. The rest we will respond to once we count our awards won by The Sunday Leader, and none of them were for web sourced stories either!
 
Frederica (and I never use my second name)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as a columnist or writer of one newspaper commenting on another is concerned, it would be advice well directed to Migara&#8217;s one time columnist Rajpal Abeynaike (trained by Sinha R no less) who is now the editor of the Lakbima. The rest we will respond to once we count our awards won by The Sunday Leader, and none of them were for web sourced stories either!</p>
<p>Frederica (and I never use my second name)</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6964</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Migara / Sinha, Tell me, what are the high standards the &lt;em&gt;Sunday Times&lt;/em&gt; abides by? Your highfalutin, vainglorious self-definition of high standards? Or existing high standards of the print media industry you flagrantly violate as Sunanda Deshapriya points to above? Or the high standards that allow you to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/srilankaphotographers/discuss/72157605115154021/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;indulge in plagiarism&lt;/a&gt;? Or the high standards that make it fine to quote contested Wikipedia articles as an authoritative source, and then defend it to boot?

How pedestrian but utterly expected of you to refer to the recently reactivated Press Council, staffed now by media geriatrics of your ilk, as a mechanism to protect your out-moded and outrageously unprofessional notion of journalism. For the record, since its obvious you don&#039;t know, what you suggest in terms of holding citizen journalism on par with professional journalists is already part of the&lt;a href=&quot;http://ict4peace.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/2008-colombo-declaration-on-media-freedom-and-social-responsibility/#more-1389&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; 2008 Colombo Declaration on Media Freedom and Social Responsibility&lt;/a&gt;. In oral and written submissions over 2008, I impressed upon the Sri Lanka Press Institute (SLPI), of which you are part of, to recognise that blogging â€“ globally and locally â€“ was increasingly indistinguishable from content produced by mainstream media and, as such, needed to be afforded the same recognition and protection as traditional journalism. This parity of status I felt was necessary to encourage traditional journalists to work with and using new media as well as provide an incentive for some bloggers and new media producers strengthen the professionalism of their output.

Sections 10.3 notes of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ict4peace.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/full-text-colombo-declaration-on-media-freedom-and-social-responsibility-october-2008/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008 Colombo Declaration notes&lt;/a&gt;,

&lt;em&gt;&#8220;One of the most significant developments in the last ten years has been the growth of the Internet, which has resulted in the democratization of media and encouraged the emergence of non professional journalists in the form of bloggers etc. We acknowledge the contribution of bloggers towards the promotion of free speech and democratic media. We also recognize that bloggers are as susceptible to controls by the state, misuse of their work as traditional print and broadcast media. We take this opportunity to commit our support to responsible bloggers and other new media practitioners, and hope to work with them in solidarity towards establishing a convergent media which is strong and independent.&#8221;&lt;/em&gt;

In a similar vein, Section 10.4 notes, 

&lt;em&gt;&#8220;We specifically call on the government to recognize the internet as an important space for deliberative democracy, and extend to it, all such policies as would enhance the space of free speech on the Internet, and to avoid all policies of banning, blocking, or censoring websites without reasonable grounds. There is now a convergence between the traditional print media and the internet, with a number of newspapers being accessed through the internet, and we would strongly urge that all the privileges and protections sought in this declaration be extended to the web editions of newspapers.&#8221;&lt;/em&gt;

All of that you point to in your last missive is precisely that which the ST indulges in repeatedly, with scant accountability. That this site managed to get you to respond in the manner that you have demonstrated the power of citizen journalism - this is now public record that you cannot erase, wish away or choose to hide. As the &lt;a href=&quot;http://newsletters.ahrchk.net/js/mainfile.php/0551/1616/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) noted in a statement dealing with the suspect quality of journalism in newspapers published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd&lt;/a&gt;, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;... the best way to deal with false and unfair reporting is to present the case to the public ourselves. Thanks to the communication revolution that has taken place in the world people no longer have to wait on newspaper owners, sometimes referred to as &#039;magnates&#039;, to get their ideas published. Much of the suppression of opinion in the country has gone through such absolute control of the media by a few persons. However, in this age of the World Wide Web there are avenues to present a case to the public without having to depend on newspaper owners.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At a time the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pccsl.lk/statistics.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Press Complaints Commission of Sri Lanka is dysfunctional at best&lt;/a&gt;, you can rest assured that &lt;em&gt;Groundviews&lt;/em&gt;, bloggers and plenty of other sensible people who know more about the web than you do will hold you accountable for your reporting. 

Deal with it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Migara / Sinha, Tell me, what are the high standards the <em>Sunday Times</em> abides by? Your highfalutin, vainglorious self-definition of high standards? Or existing high standards of the print media industry you flagrantly violate as Sunanda Deshapriya points to above? Or the high standards that allow you to <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/srilankaphotographers/discuss/72157605115154021/" rel="nofollow">indulge in plagiarism</a>? Or the high standards that make it fine to quote contested Wikipedia articles as an authoritative source, and then defend it to boot?</p>
<p>How pedestrian but utterly expected of you to refer to the recently reactivated Press Council, staffed now by media geriatrics of your ilk, as a mechanism to protect your out-moded and outrageously unprofessional notion of journalism. For the record, since its obvious you don&#8217;t know, what you suggest in terms of holding citizen journalism on par with professional journalists is already part of the<a href="http://ict4peace.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/2008-colombo-declaration-on-media-freedom-and-social-responsibility/#more-1389" rel="nofollow"> 2008 Colombo Declaration on Media Freedom and Social Responsibility</a>. In oral and written submissions over 2008, I impressed upon the Sri Lanka Press Institute (SLPI), of which you are part of, to recognise that blogging â€“ globally and locally â€“ was increasingly indistinguishable from content produced by mainstream media and, as such, needed to be afforded the same recognition and protection as traditional journalism. This parity of status I felt was necessary to encourage traditional journalists to work with and using new media as well as provide an incentive for some bloggers and new media producers strengthen the professionalism of their output.</p>
<p>Sections 10.3 notes of the <a href="http://ict4peace.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/full-text-colombo-declaration-on-media-freedom-and-social-responsibility-october-2008/" rel="nofollow">2008 Colombo Declaration notes</a>,</p>
<p><em>&ldquo;One of the most significant developments in the last ten years has been the growth of the Internet, which has resulted in the democratization of media and encouraged the emergence of non professional journalists in the form of bloggers etc. We acknowledge the contribution of bloggers towards the promotion of free speech and democratic media. We also recognize that bloggers are as susceptible to controls by the state, misuse of their work as traditional print and broadcast media. We take this opportunity to commit our support to responsible bloggers and other new media practitioners, and hope to work with them in solidarity towards establishing a convergent media which is strong and independent.&rdquo;</em></p>
<p>In a similar vein, Section 10.4 notes, </p>
<p><em>&ldquo;We specifically call on the government to recognize the internet as an important space for deliberative democracy, and extend to it, all such policies as would enhance the space of free speech on the Internet, and to avoid all policies of banning, blocking, or censoring websites without reasonable grounds. There is now a convergence between the traditional print media and the internet, with a number of newspapers being accessed through the internet, and we would strongly urge that all the privileges and protections sought in this declaration be extended to the web editions of newspapers.&rdquo;</em></p>
<p>All of that you point to in your last missive is precisely that which the ST indulges in repeatedly, with scant accountability. That this site managed to get you to respond in the manner that you have demonstrated the power of citizen journalism &#8211; this is now public record that you cannot erase, wish away or choose to hide. As the <a href="http://newsletters.ahrchk.net/js/mainfile.php/0551/1616/" rel="nofollow">Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) noted in a statement dealing with the suspect quality of journalism in newspapers published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd</a>, </p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8230; the best way to deal with false and unfair reporting is to present the case to the public ourselves. Thanks to the communication revolution that has taken place in the world people no longer have to wait on newspaper owners, sometimes referred to as &#8216;magnates&#8217;, to get their ideas published. Much of the suppression of opinion in the country has gone through such absolute control of the media by a few persons. However, in this age of the World Wide Web there are avenues to present a case to the public without having to depend on newspaper owners.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>At a time the <a href="http://www.pccsl.lk/statistics.php" rel="nofollow">Press Complaints Commission of Sri Lanka is dysfunctional at best</a>, you can rest assured that <em>Groundviews</em>, bloggers and plenty of other sensible people who know more about the web than you do will hold you accountable for your reporting. </p>
<p>Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Migara</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6963</link>
		<dc:creator>Migara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the newspapers held accountable to high standards while little voluntary websites, pretending to engage in journalism but really indulging in spiteful, defamatory activity and rumour-mongering, not made answerable to any law, norm or standard? Now that the Press Council of Sri Lanka has been revived, all sensible people should call for these so-called citizen journalists to be also brought under its purview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the newspapers held accountable to high standards while little voluntary websites, pretending to engage in journalism but really indulging in spiteful, defamatory activity and rumour-mongering, not made answerable to any law, norm or standard? Now that the Press Council of Sri Lanka has been revived, all sensible people should call for these so-called citizen journalists to be also brought under its purview.</p>
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		<title>By: Gini Appu</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6958</link>
		<dc:creator>Gini Appu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanjana, get real! This is Sri Lankan journalism you&#039;re picking on... next you&#039;d complain about the driving habits of VIPs. 

I think its hilarious that Sinha has been outed so easily... worse that he clumsily digs himself into a rat hole with the &quot;they vote with their wallets and hearts for this best-selling Sunday newspaper&quot; comment.  hmm... I wonder what Lakehouse circulations figures are like?

That said, Sinha is entitled to be chauvinist and we don&#039;t have to buy his paper, or drink with him at the club if we don&#039;t want to... just as he doesn&#039;t have to defend himself at Groundviews... be we do and he does too.  Makes it all worthwhile...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanjana, get real! This is Sri Lankan journalism you&#8217;re picking on&#8230; next you&#8217;d complain about the driving habits of VIPs. </p>
<p>I think its hilarious that Sinha has been outed so easily&#8230; worse that he clumsily digs himself into a rat hole with the &#8220;they vote with their wallets and hearts for this best-selling Sunday newspaper&#8221; comment.  hmm&#8230; I wonder what Lakehouse circulations figures are like?</p>
<p>That said, Sinha is entitled to be chauvinist and we don&#8217;t have to buy his paper, or drink with him at the club if we don&#8217;t want to&#8230; just as he doesn&#8217;t have to defend himself at Groundviews&#8230; be we do and he does too.  Makes it all worthwhile&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6957</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Asela,

There&#039;s a qualitative difference, or at least there should be, between a political column on Sunday and a gossip column. A gossip column is precisely that, and most Sunday newspaper carry their own flavour. I&#039;ll give you that most &#039;political columns&#039; published today are no more than gossip thinly veiled and ill written to boot. 

A political column, such as that which is critiqued by me, needs in my book to base its analysis on hard evidence. Any columnist is free to air his opinion, but if the sources that opinion is based on are as vacuous as a hasty edit on Wikipedia, the resulting product is worse than gossip and more obnoxious.

Sanjana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Asela,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a qualitative difference, or at least there should be, between a political column on Sunday and a gossip column. A gossip column is precisely that, and most Sunday newspaper carry their own flavour. I&#8217;ll give you that most &#8216;political columns&#8217; published today are no more than gossip thinly veiled and ill written to boot. </p>
<p>A political column, such as that which is critiqued by me, needs in my book to base its analysis on hard evidence. Any columnist is free to air his opinion, but if the sources that opinion is based on are as vacuous as a hasty edit on Wikipedia, the resulting product is worse than gossip and more obnoxious.</p>
<p>Sanjana</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6956</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Migara / Sinha - Your response is telling. We aren&#039;t debating circulation figures, awards, your pride or your vain self-perception here. 

The issue is about your columnist&#039;s marked ignorance of how to source web content that led to the indefensible, and to be honest, quite hilarious misuse of Wikipedia. As has been pointed out in the comments, not just is this a source that any respected University discourage undergrads to quote in their work, this is in violation of the Editors Guild Code of Ethics, which last time I checked you were part of? Clearly the excitement of discovering Wikipedia for the first time (it&#039;s been around for a while you know) by your political &#039;columnist&#039; must be checked in the future with saner counsel, more befitting all that you say your newspaper is. 

Just to note that the Sri Lanka College of Journalism (SLCJ) will use this article as an example of how not to use online source. Even pathetic media dinosaurs who hold back the progress of journalism in Sri Lanka clearly have their uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Migara / Sinha &#8211; Your response is telling. We aren&#8217;t debating circulation figures, awards, your pride or your vain self-perception here. </p>
<p>The issue is about your columnist&#8217;s marked ignorance of how to source web content that led to the indefensible, and to be honest, quite hilarious misuse of Wikipedia. As has been pointed out in the comments, not just is this a source that any respected University discourage undergrads to quote in their work, this is in violation of the Editors Guild Code of Ethics, which last time I checked you were part of? Clearly the excitement of discovering Wikipedia for the first time (it&#8217;s been around for a while you know) by your political &#8216;columnist&#8217; must be checked in the future with saner counsel, more befitting all that you say your newspaper is. </p>
<p>Just to note that the Sri Lanka College of Journalism (SLCJ) will use this article as an example of how not to use online source. Even pathetic media dinosaurs who hold back the progress of journalism in Sri Lanka clearly have their uses.</p>
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		<title>By: groundviews</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6955</link>
		<dc:creator>groundviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://panhinda-samaga.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Migara #2&lt;/a&gt; - Don&#039;t worry, the other Migara is actually the Editor of the Sunday Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://panhinda-samaga.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Migara #2</a> &#8211; Don&#8217;t worry, the other Migara is actually the Editor of the Sunday Times.</p>
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		<title>By: asela</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6950</link>
		<dc:creator>asela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear sanjana 
dont you think its even more vile where a Leading sunday paper started a column (in the fornt page) where they inserted titbits about people and organisation by mearly changing the actual name (e.g San-jan-a), while vilifying people without accurate journalism? isnt it the ultimate level of lack of ethics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear sanjana<br />
dont you think its even more vile where a Leading sunday paper started a column (in the fornt page) where they inserted titbits about people and organisation by mearly changing the actual name (e.g San-jan-a), while vilifying people without accurate journalism? isnt it the ultimate level of lack of ethics?</p>
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		<title>By: Migara</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/06/14/bob-rae-the-sunday-times-and-wikipedia/#comment-6948</link>
		<dc:creator>Migara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear readers, this is impersonation. I never posted such a comment. Admins, please take action.

&quot;Migara said, June 17, 2009 @ 8:27 am . . . &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear readers, this is impersonation. I never posted such a comment. Admins, please take action.</p>
<p>&#8220;Migara said, June 17, 2009 @ 8:27 am . . . &#8220;</p>
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