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		<title>By: Suren</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5295</link>
		<dc:creator>Suren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hegemony in Approach
Hegemony in Analysis
Hegemony in Attitude
Hegemony in Anything
That is what you get when dealing with Dr J. 
 Sanjana, (CEO GV) often credits ambassador Jayathilake for his so neat comparative democratic values as found in none in the MR regime. OK let&#039;s agree with that for the moment.
But the crucial unanswered issue is where the proposal, for a democratic recovery in Sri Lanka ? Can the writer/author/diplomat/intellect/leftist/revolutionary /former rebel etc etc  in Dr J give a strategic direction to his masters in Colombo how they are going to rebuild  a united democratic  (never mind the socialist part) Sri Lanka?
Let him propose a recovery plan with a time bound action plan. Let us hear how Ananda Sangari, Varathan, Sidharthan, Karuna and Pillayan and Douglus â€“ his alternative politicians are going to work with the Colombo regimes and bring peace and democracy to Thamilar...  Then we could invite Wimal W and Athuraliye Rathne to give us the implementation strategies. After all Dr J is the proponent of the popular Post-Praba -prosperity thesis, I believe he also must be capable of this road map. I hope then the Thamils will have â€˜&#039;something to sell&#039;&#039; at â€˜&#039;an affordable price&#039;&#039;
Political superstructures-Social Mega structures and economic infrastructures, Should not all these fine concepts lead us to some peace where democracy will be the common currency? After all thesis have no validity without an empirical execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hegemony in Approach<br />
Hegemony in Analysis<br />
Hegemony in Attitude<br />
Hegemony in Anything<br />
That is what you get when dealing with Dr J.<br />
 Sanjana, (CEO GV) often credits ambassador Jayathilake for his so neat comparative democratic values as found in none in the MR regime. OK let&#8217;s agree with that for the moment.<br />
But the crucial unanswered issue is where the proposal, for a democratic recovery in Sri Lanka ? Can the writer/author/diplomat/intellect/leftist/revolutionary /former rebel etc etc  in Dr J give a strategic direction to his masters in Colombo how they are going to rebuild  a united democratic  (never mind the socialist part) Sri Lanka?<br />
Let him propose a recovery plan with a time bound action plan. Let us hear how Ananda Sangari, Varathan, Sidharthan, Karuna and Pillayan and Douglus â€“ his alternative politicians are going to work with the Colombo regimes and bring peace and democracy to Thamilar&#8230;  Then we could invite Wimal W and Athuraliye Rathne to give us the implementation strategies. After all Dr J is the proponent of the popular Post-Praba -prosperity thesis, I believe he also must be capable of this road map. I hope then the Thamils will have â€˜&#8217;something to sell&#8221; at â€˜&#8217;an affordable price&#8221;<br />
Political superstructures-Social Mega structures and economic infrastructures, Should not all these fine concepts lead us to some peace where democracy will be the common currency? After all thesis have no validity without an empirical execution.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer 2</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5289</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re in the least bit globally aware by now you would have realised that fundamentally the LTTE is a force that has to go. Given the battles the power house nations are engaged in atm, do you really think they will let an organisation with the resume of LTTE will be allowed to prevail? Imagine the moral boost that will be echoed through the mountains of Afghanistan. Imagine who the role model is going to be for the suicidal jeehadists! If it already isn&#039;t! If MR and Gen Fonseka didn&#039;t do it, the CIA and RAW would gladly help someone else to do it. 

Ya, back in the day they used to stir and boil pots like Sri Lanka and destabilise countries just to keep them down. You know so they can import those cheap Nike shoes and clothes. Now some of those actions have had much unanticipated ramifications biting them right back on their ass.

These politicians who echo false genocide claims all have lot of Tamils in their constituencies and they happily take money - aka election contributions and bribes. It&#039;s as simple as that and you all know it. And seriously once they&#039;re in power they act upon their intelligence reports, not the community hall lobbyists. Because end of the day they love America, Canada, Australia etc. Not Eelam! They couldn&#039;t care less after grabbing the vote.

I&#039;m writing this because some people obtain tunnel vision in their determined hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re in the least bit globally aware by now you would have realised that fundamentally the LTTE is a force that has to go. Given the battles the power house nations are engaged in atm, do you really think they will let an organisation with the resume of LTTE will be allowed to prevail? Imagine the moral boost that will be echoed through the mountains of Afghanistan. Imagine who the role model is going to be for the suicidal jeehadists! If it already isn&#8217;t! If MR and Gen Fonseka didn&#8217;t do it, the CIA and RAW would gladly help someone else to do it. </p>
<p>Ya, back in the day they used to stir and boil pots like Sri Lanka and destabilise countries just to keep them down. You know so they can import those cheap Nike shoes and clothes. Now some of those actions have had much unanticipated ramifications biting them right back on their ass.</p>
<p>These politicians who echo false genocide claims all have lot of Tamils in their constituencies and they happily take money &#8211; aka election contributions and bribes. It&#8217;s as simple as that and you all know it. And seriously once they&#8217;re in power they act upon their intelligence reports, not the community hall lobbyists. Because end of the day they love America, Canada, Australia etc. Not Eelam! They couldn&#8217;t care less after grabbing the vote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this because some people obtain tunnel vision in their determined hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Saliya</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5282</link>
		<dc:creator>Saliya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dayan,

Comming back to the topic, Following are my suggestions; the process could be as follows;
1.	First,  we must get the commitment from the top, means the president.
2.	Set up a complete data-base of Sri Lankan population
3.	Every earner/worker/politicians/administrators, government or private, profit or wages should have a tax file, especially VAT and Income tax
4.	Any person is traceable, identifiable at every police station and Inland Revenue branches under proper authority to access, online. Even from the Police patrolling car.
5.	Surveillance system with cameras at all the public places

This can be done in one year if the president permits me, and the evils will be least and developments will follow with more tamed, behaved and disciplined people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dayan,</p>
<p>Comming back to the topic, Following are my suggestions; the process could be as follows;<br />
1.	First,  we must get the commitment from the top, means the president.<br />
2.	Set up a complete data-base of Sri Lankan population<br />
3.	Every earner/worker/politicians/administrators, government or private, profit or wages should have a tax file, especially VAT and Income tax<br />
4.	Any person is traceable, identifiable at every police station and Inland Revenue branches under proper authority to access, online. Even from the Police patrolling car.<br />
5.	Surveillance system with cameras at all the public places</p>
<p>This can be done in one year if the president permits me, and the evils will be least and developments will follow with more tamed, behaved and disciplined people.</p>
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		<title>By: ashan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5266</link>
		<dc:creator>ashan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ehhhhhhh and ur point is?????//

worf? you seem too scared to put down what you believe will happen.. rather than quoting the past and saying its too early to tell , go out on a limb and say what you think will happen... say upto 2 years from now? take  a wild guess worf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ehhhhhhh and ur point is?????//</p>
<p>worf? you seem too scared to put down what you believe will happen.. rather than quoting the past and saying its too early to tell , go out on a limb and say what you think will happen&#8230; say upto 2 years from now? take  a wild guess worf</p>
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		<title>By: worf</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>worf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashan :so every one can see within a space of 20 months how things have changed,,,

If things can change so much in 20 months, imagine how they will change in five decades ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashan :so every one can see within a space of 20 months how things have changed,,,</p>
<p>If things can change so much in 20 months, imagine how they will change in five decades <img src='http://groundviews.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This chap suren says &quot;This is the â€˜&#039;Neganehira Udanaya&#039;&#039; that Dr Jayathilake is marketing internationally&quot;. He must be hallucinating because I have never used the phrase or made reference to it in my life! 

He then asks: &quot;Instead how is it possible that SL&#039;S PRUNHRC in Geneva is happy to follow the military strategy of his defence secretary where the three steps to annihilate terror does not even refer to any democratic nuances.&quot;

However, my whole point was that the Defense Secretary&#039;s three phase military programme could succeed only if accompanied by Ambassador Blake&#039;s three stage political programme, which is clearly and explicitly democratic...

I wrote: &quot;When the conflict shifts back into the low intensity phase, the political and other aspects come to the fore. In point of fact the success of phase two and three of the military effort as outlined by the Secretary of Defense depends increasingly upon these non-military factors. We must develop the political corollary that facilitates and permits the achievement of the security objectives set out. More concretely, we must identify the political accompaniment or &#8220;superstructure&#8221; of each of the three phases.

Interestingly enough, I find the necessary political accompaniment of the three phase military programme, in the recent speech at the Foundation of Coexistence by Robert Blake, the US Ambassador in Sri Lanka.&quot; 

Clearly Suren either has a problem of reading or comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This chap suren says &#8220;This is the â€˜&#8217;Neganehira Udanaya&#8221; that Dr Jayathilake is marketing internationally&#8221;. He must be hallucinating because I have never used the phrase or made reference to it in my life! </p>
<p>He then asks: &#8220;Instead how is it possible that SL&#8217;S PRUNHRC in Geneva is happy to follow the military strategy of his defence secretary where the three steps to annihilate terror does not even refer to any democratic nuances.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, my whole point was that the Defense Secretary&#8217;s three phase military programme could succeed only if accompanied by Ambassador Blake&#8217;s three stage political programme, which is clearly and explicitly democratic&#8230;</p>
<p>I wrote: &#8220;When the conflict shifts back into the low intensity phase, the political and other aspects come to the fore. In point of fact the success of phase two and three of the military effort as outlined by the Secretary of Defense depends increasingly upon these non-military factors. We must develop the political corollary that facilitates and permits the achievement of the security objectives set out. More concretely, we must identify the political accompaniment or &ldquo;superstructure&rdquo; of each of the three phases.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, I find the necessary political accompaniment of the three phase military programme, in the recent speech at the Foundation of Coexistence by Robert Blake, the US Ambassador in Sri Lanka.&#8221; </p>
<p>Clearly Suren either has a problem of reading or comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5262</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worf, you are echoing Hegel to the effect that the owl of Minerva takes flight only after the shades of dusk have fallen. I respect that but the Marxist in me makes me think it is possible to identify definitive turning points and preponderant tendencies. As such the war can be recognised as already having been lost by the Tigers, but is not yet over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worf, you are echoing Hegel to the effect that the owl of Minerva takes flight only after the shades of dusk have fallen. I respect that but the Marxist in me makes me think it is possible to identify definitive turning points and preponderant tendencies. As such the war can be recognised as already having been lost by the Tigers, but is not yet over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant tracking, Ashan, absolutely spot-on observation. These guys are pathetic when they aren&#039;t hysterical or delusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant tracking, Ashan, absolutely spot-on observation. These guys are pathetic when they aren&#8217;t hysterical or delusion.</p>
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		<title>By: ashan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5260</link>
		<dc:creator>ashan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at the comments - say trailing back about 18-20 months,,, you can be quite aware of the changes happening around us (allows us the ability to see the overall trend)

1. earlier was  LTTE might, SL forces will never be able to capture..
2. also , VP was the leader - he will make true the dream of elaam state,,

3. LTTE are loosing the terrotary - but will come back in a unceasing wave.....
4. armed LTTE leaders will never be caught - have planes,,,

5.. our dream will persist - we can fight later, like gurrila&#039;s we never wanted land...
6. democartically we will get our state,,,

so every one can see within a space of 20 months how things have changed,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at the comments &#8211; say trailing back about 18-20 months,,, you can be quite aware of the changes happening around us (allows us the ability to see the overall trend)</p>
<p>1. earlier was  LTTE might, SL forces will never be able to capture..<br />
2. also , VP was the leader &#8211; he will make true the dream of elaam state,,</p>
<p>3. LTTE are loosing the terrotary &#8211; but will come back in a unceasing wave&#8230;..<br />
4. armed LTTE leaders will never be caught &#8211; have planes,,,</p>
<p>5.. our dream will persist &#8211; we can fight later, like gurrila&#8217;s we never wanted land&#8230;<br />
6. democartically we will get our state,,,</p>
<p>so every one can see within a space of 20 months how things have changed,,,</p>
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		<title>By: Suren</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5259</link>
		<dc:creator>Suren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappearances, 	(Mano Ganehsan has the updated list)
Imprisonment without trial,	(Ganjan Ponnambalam has the long list of youth held under PTI and other emergency regulations.  One case I know of, the boy was arrested when he was 17 and last 9 years still in prison without a trail. And the cry of Tissanayagam has no response)
- Assassinations - we have talked much about Lasantha, Assignation even under police custody goes unchecked.
- Torture - The Asia Human Right Centre has reported 5000 cases in the past 10 years
According to the UN convention all these are considered as acts of terrorism. Can Dr J. deny that the state of Sri Lanka has not committed these against its own people whether they are Sinhalas Thamilar or others? From the first act of the independent Ceylon to de-franchise nearly 1 million Thamilar; the Sri Lankan state has continued its oppressive policy particularly against the Thamilar. Only difference is the rules have changed as much as the watchdogs that will support them.
â€˜&#039;Meanwhile, globally, from the US Senate to the UN Security Council, from Ottawa to London, from Brussels to Pretoria, from Delhi to Dili, Sri Lanka is under pressure and scrutiny as never before.&#039;&#039; The most meaningful way to debase this pressure on his masters perhaps Dr J should ethnomethodologically argue for a road map to recover Sri Lanka&#039;s long lost democracy. Instead how is it possible that SL&#039;S PRUNHRC in Geneva is happy to follow the military strategy of his defence secretary where the three steps to annihilate terror does not even refer to any democratic nuances. If there is one such alternative, then perhaps the moderate Thamilar Dr is looking for could come forward with minimum hopes.
History does repeat, but should not this quickly: â€˜My hope is that all nations will heed our call, and eliminate the terrorist parasites who threaten their countries or our own&#039; (Bush 29/01/02)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappearances, 	(Mano Ganehsan has the updated list)<br />
Imprisonment without trial,	(Ganjan Ponnambalam has the long list of youth held under PTI and other emergency regulations.  One case I know of, the boy was arrested when he was 17 and last 9 years still in prison without a trail. And the cry of Tissanayagam has no response)<br />
- Assassinations &#8211; we have talked much about Lasantha, Assignation even under police custody goes unchecked.<br />
- Torture &#8211; The Asia Human Right Centre has reported 5000 cases in the past 10 years<br />
According to the UN convention all these are considered as acts of terrorism. Can Dr J. deny that the state of Sri Lanka has not committed these against its own people whether they are Sinhalas Thamilar or others? From the first act of the independent Ceylon to de-franchise nearly 1 million Thamilar; the Sri Lankan state has continued its oppressive policy particularly against the Thamilar. Only difference is the rules have changed as much as the watchdogs that will support them.<br />
â€˜&#8217;Meanwhile, globally, from the US Senate to the UN Security Council, from Ottawa to London, from Brussels to Pretoria, from Delhi to Dili, Sri Lanka is under pressure and scrutiny as never before.&#8221; The most meaningful way to debase this pressure on his masters perhaps Dr J should ethnomethodologically argue for a road map to recover Sri Lanka&#8217;s long lost democracy. Instead how is it possible that SL&#8217;S PRUNHRC in Geneva is happy to follow the military strategy of his defence secretary where the three steps to annihilate terror does not even refer to any democratic nuances. If there is one such alternative, then perhaps the moderate Thamilar Dr is looking for could come forward with minimum hopes.<br />
History does repeat, but should not this quickly: â€˜My hope is that all nations will heed our call, and eliminate the terrorist parasites who threaten their countries or our own&#8217; (Bush 29/01/02)</p>
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		<title>By: Suren</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5258</link>
		<dc:creator>Suren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways, it is tragic and sad that Ambassador Jayathikale does not read/write or understand Thamil. Else he would have felt the pathetic apologies made by the Pillayan-the Chief Minister installed by MR regime at the recent gv interview and not wasted his otherwise intellectual energy to argue for a Global Strategy against the Thamil Diaspora.
 Pillayan with his famous subservient smile, chokes when he talks about the powers he has so far â€˜&#039;received&#039;&#039; to solve the basic issues of daily civil life in the East. Very rightly he says his mind is small to understand why the GOSL has not implemented the minimum of the 13th amendment. This is the â€˜&#039;Neganehira Udanaya&#039;&#039; that Dr Jayathilake is marketing internationally and  wants the global community to take as a token of democratization of the Thamil areas and now support his (GWOTD) the global war on Thamil Diaspora
If there is a terror-tribe in the Vanni and amongst the Thamils elsewhere, it is only a by product of the historic, systematic and continued terror of the Sinhala centric Sri Lankan state and its abysmal illiberal nature. 
UN Policy Definition on terrorism reads:
 â€˜Any act intended to cause death or serious bodily injury to a civilian, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities in a situation of armed conflict, when the purpose of such an act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act&#039;
(UN, - Convention for the Suppression and Financing of Terrorism, 1999)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, it is tragic and sad that Ambassador Jayathikale does not read/write or understand Thamil. Else he would have felt the pathetic apologies made by the Pillayan-the Chief Minister installed by MR regime at the recent gv interview and not wasted his otherwise intellectual energy to argue for a Global Strategy against the Thamil Diaspora.<br />
 Pillayan with his famous subservient smile, chokes when he talks about the powers he has so far â€˜&#8217;received&#8221; to solve the basic issues of daily civil life in the East. Very rightly he says his mind is small to understand why the GOSL has not implemented the minimum of the 13th amendment. This is the â€˜&#8217;Neganehira Udanaya&#8221; that Dr Jayathilake is marketing internationally and  wants the global community to take as a token of democratization of the Thamil areas and now support his (GWOTD) the global war on Thamil Diaspora<br />
If there is a terror-tribe in the Vanni and amongst the Thamils elsewhere, it is only a by product of the historic, systematic and continued terror of the Sinhala centric Sri Lankan state and its abysmal illiberal nature.<br />
UN Policy Definition on terrorism reads:<br />
 â€˜Any act intended to cause death or serious bodily injury to a civilian, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities in a situation of armed conflict, when the purpose of such an act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act&#8217;<br />
(UN, &#8211; Convention for the Suppression and Financing of Terrorism, 1999)</p>
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		<title>By: worf</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5255</link>
		<dc:creator>worf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dayan: WW2 was won when the Soviet Army broke the back of the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, but the war took more time to end. Got it?

This is my point exactly, that is a reading of the situation during the war, that was stated in the post-war period looking back. You are declaring a war&#039;s end within the temporal confines of the war itself. Whether this particular phase or another phase was a decisive time is best determined in the post-war phase. Historically, a lasting analysis of an event is done post-event, anything prior is premature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dayan: WW2 was won when the Soviet Army broke the back of the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, but the war took more time to end. Got it?</p>
<p>This is my point exactly, that is a reading of the situation during the war, that was stated in the post-war period looking back. You are declaring a war&#8217;s end within the temporal confines of the war itself. Whether this particular phase or another phase was a decisive time is best determined in the post-war phase. Historically, a lasting analysis of an event is done post-event, anything prior is premature.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5252</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear worf, 

Apart from the fact that i think Fukuyama was essentially right and much misunderstood by those who either vulgarized his idea or misunderstood Hegel, I have never thought the conflict was over. Nor even that this is the last war. Why on earth do you think that in this very piece on which you are commenting, I have sounded the alrm on a fourth generation war? I agree with the ICG that this war is won, though not over. WW2 was won when the Soviet Army broke the back of the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, but the war took more time to end. Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear worf, </p>
<p>Apart from the fact that i think Fukuyama was essentially right and much misunderstood by those who either vulgarized his idea or misunderstood Hegel, I have never thought the conflict was over. Nor even that this is the last war. Why on earth do you think that in this very piece on which you are commenting, I have sounded the alrm on a fourth generation war? I agree with the ICG that this war is won, though not over. WW2 was won when the Soviet Army broke the back of the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, but the war took more time to end. Got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolai</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5251</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Groundview. My last off topic comment. 

I just want to say to Agnos. Yes of course I am ignorant of what is truly going on. Red Alert, Fein and many more are convinced there is genocide being praciticed by the Sri Lankan govt.  Many say they are committing war crimes, which by the way should not be confused with Genocide. Genocide is a war crime, but war crimes may not include Genocide.
Also how does Fein learn anything about the conflict, while he sits in his comfortable office in Boston.
Then there are other non profit groups such as HRW, where some members of the group imply Genocide and others such as Charu Hogg, also of HRW who says the the govt. is not committing genocide, but rather it is the LTTE. 
Anyway Agnos, I know nothing about you. I am unsure whether, you are a member of the Tamil Diaspora or not? My guess is at the very least, you are living abroad given the time of submission. Whoever you are, unless you are really Gotabhaya or Sarath Fonseka, the ones who would be directly issuing the &#039;Genocide&#039; orders, I doubt you would really be any less ignorant than I. 
The best we an do is to speculate based on whatever information we can get, biased as it is from either side. 
I really don&#039;t take too many comments made by the NGOs very seriously. Most of them are just as self serving as the two sides here and the diaspora elements abroad. How many times have the opinions of the UN and Red Cross flip flopped like a yoyo? I have witnessed simple examples of basic human kindness violations being committed by Red Cross personnel right in front of my eyes. Just last week I saw two Red Cross guys, having dinner in a fancy hotel in Nuwara Eliya, absolutely humiliate and bully the waiter for everyone to see, just because he got the order wrong. I have seen repeated simple bad behavior of this kind by many other NGO groups here, the very ones who are supposed to be monitoring human rights at the macro level? Please!!
Anyway Agnos, I will continue to be ignorant but I will talk to everyone I can from every side and opinion, and then try to speculate the best way possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Groundview. My last off topic comment. </p>
<p>I just want to say to Agnos. Yes of course I am ignorant of what is truly going on. Red Alert, Fein and many more are convinced there is genocide being praciticed by the Sri Lankan govt.  Many say they are committing war crimes, which by the way should not be confused with Genocide. Genocide is a war crime, but war crimes may not include Genocide.<br />
Also how does Fein learn anything about the conflict, while he sits in his comfortable office in Boston.<br />
Then there are other non profit groups such as HRW, where some members of the group imply Genocide and others such as Charu Hogg, also of HRW who says the the govt. is not committing genocide, but rather it is the LTTE.<br />
Anyway Agnos, I know nothing about you. I am unsure whether, you are a member of the Tamil Diaspora or not? My guess is at the very least, you are living abroad given the time of submission. Whoever you are, unless you are really Gotabhaya or Sarath Fonseka, the ones who would be directly issuing the &#8216;Genocide&#8217; orders, I doubt you would really be any less ignorant than I.<br />
The best we an do is to speculate based on whatever information we can get, biased as it is from either side.<br />
I really don&#8217;t take too many comments made by the NGOs very seriously. Most of them are just as self serving as the two sides here and the diaspora elements abroad. How many times have the opinions of the UN and Red Cross flip flopped like a yoyo? I have witnessed simple examples of basic human kindness violations being committed by Red Cross personnel right in front of my eyes. Just last week I saw two Red Cross guys, having dinner in a fancy hotel in Nuwara Eliya, absolutely humiliate and bully the waiter for everyone to see, just because he got the order wrong. I have seen repeated simple bad behavior of this kind by many other NGO groups here, the very ones who are supposed to be monitoring human rights at the macro level? Please!!<br />
Anyway Agnos, I will continue to be ignorant but I will talk to everyone I can from every side and opinion, and then try to speculate the best way possible.</p>
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		<title>By: worf</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5250</link>
		<dc:creator>worf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dayan: 
worf is right and yet, hasn&#039;t quite grasped it or isn&#039;t ready to acknowledge the truth. As the International Crisis Group has said &quot;The Sri Lankan military must not pursue a strategy of annihilation since it has already achieved its military objectives and essentially won the war. &quot;

Are you trying to imply that because the ICG, a think tank, is certain the SL forces have achieved their objectives the war is over? I am not saying the LTTE is going to come back with guns blazing and the turn the tables... no I am trying to remind you of the many premature obituaries the LTTE has had in the past. You have just pulled a serious Fukuyama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dayan:<br />
worf is right and yet, hasn&#8217;t quite grasped it or isn&#8217;t ready to acknowledge the truth. As the International Crisis Group has said &#8220;The Sri Lankan military must not pursue a strategy of annihilation since it has already achieved its military objectives and essentially won the war. &#8221;</p>
<p>Are you trying to imply that because the ICG, a think tank, is certain the SL forces have achieved their objectives the war is over? I am not saying the LTTE is going to come back with guns blazing and the turn the tables&#8230; no I am trying to remind you of the many premature obituaries the LTTE has had in the past. You have just pulled a serious Fukuyama.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Nicholai,

The &#039;Red Alert&#039; for genocide was issued by a neutral international group, which looked at the evidence and made a decision. So your getting &#039;sick and tired&#039; has to do with your own ignorance of what has been happening in the North-East for decades, rather than any propaganda by &#039;diaspora extremists&#039;.
 
So you can continue to stay &#039;sick and tired&#039; and stew in your own ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Nicholai,</p>
<p>The &#8216;Red Alert&#8217; for genocide was issued by a neutral international group, which looked at the evidence and made a decision. So your getting &#8216;sick and tired&#8217; has to do with your own ignorance of what has been happening in the North-East for decades, rather than any propaganda by &#8216;diaspora extremists&#8217;.</p>
<p>So you can continue to stay &#8216;sick and tired&#8217; and stew in your own ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agnos says, &quot;Firstly, Tamil society did not control any state, with all the power it entails. Secondly, India&#039;s intervention and aid to the LTTE was beyond their control. Thirdly, the Sinhalese polity never agreed even to the basic demands of moderate Tamil leaders, and was increasingly racist and brutal.&quot; He is wrong on all three: the Tamils could have used the Indian state instead of cheering the LTTE on as it fought the IPKF and later , killed Rajiv Gandhi. In short the Tamils could have leveraged the support of the most powerful state in the region, but they chose not to, out of a misplaced sense of superiority even over North India ( one recalls the anti-IPKF slogans of the day). Let me remind Agnos that these anti-Indian sentiments were unveiled during the slaughter of the TELO, a year before the IPKF landing! The Sinhalese polity did agree to a decent reform when segments of it - the State and the democratic Left- supported the Indo Lanka Accord. These segments shed their blood ( Vijaya Kumaratunga) and that of fellow Sinhalese, in a civil war to defend devolution. The dominant stream of Tamil society did not support a parallel struggle, but supported the LTTE against the IPKF. And now they are at a dead end with the Sri Lankan armed forces all around, and not a single state on the planet in support. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnos says, &#8220;Firstly, Tamil society did not control any state, with all the power it entails. Secondly, India&#8217;s intervention and aid to the LTTE was beyond their control. Thirdly, the Sinhalese polity never agreed even to the basic demands of moderate Tamil leaders, and was increasingly racist and brutal.&#8221; He is wrong on all three: the Tamils could have used the Indian state instead of cheering the LTTE on as it fought the IPKF and later , killed Rajiv Gandhi. In short the Tamils could have leveraged the support of the most powerful state in the region, but they chose not to, out of a misplaced sense of superiority even over North India ( one recalls the anti-IPKF slogans of the day). Let me remind Agnos that these anti-Indian sentiments were unveiled during the slaughter of the TELO, a year before the IPKF landing! The Sinhalese polity did agree to a decent reform when segments of it &#8211; the State and the democratic Left- supported the Indo Lanka Accord. These segments shed their blood ( Vijaya Kumaratunga) and that of fellow Sinhalese, in a civil war to defend devolution. The dominant stream of Tamil society did not support a parallel struggle, but supported the LTTE against the IPKF. And now they are at a dead end with the Sri Lankan armed forces all around, and not a single state on the planet in support. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolai</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/03/11/winning-locally-winning-globally/#comment-5241</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I little off topic, but in response to some of the comments here. I am frankly sick and tired of the &#039;Genocide Talk&#039;. I can certainly speculate that there are several, if not a lot of rogue members of the SLA that do commit atrocities against the civilians and have over the years, just the the Indian army did and just like the US army did and continue to do to the Iraqis, or the Russians did to just about everyone. As far as collateral damage towards the civilians, that happens everywhere. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza to name a few.
But none of the States these armies represented had any Genocide mandate to seek out and wipe out a race, simply because they are members of that race.
The Sri Lankan government may be guilty of a lot of things, but genocide is not one of them. 
If you are talking about the pogrom of 1983, yes, that was an instance where they searched for Tamils and killed them and the then government (probably) turned a blind eye to it. That was a terrible thing that changed all of our lives forever and one could define those acts as Genocide. Time to let it go guys. I live in Colombo and I do not fear for my life at all. Do I think that one day a big government truck is going to come by my house and drag me and my family off the death camps? No! Now they may drag me off in a white van and threaten to kill me unless I take back what I am saying about the government. Or they may want all my money. Well that is criminal activity plain and simple. It is not Genocide. 
Can the pogrom happen again? I actually don&#039;t think so. Lessons were learned and I am sure many regrets and it will not be allowed to happen by this government. Corrupt they may be. Power hungry they may be. A soon to be dictatorship may be in the works. But genocide? Absolutely not. 
This is what I mean about the disapora extremists and their desire to spread these kinds of negative propaganda amongst each other. Keep the hate going and keep passing it down to your children who have never set foo tin this country. For what? Why? 
Please come back to Sri Lanka and see for yourselves like I have. The perceptive here is much different from the perspective in Canada and the UK. All you have is each other&#039;s one-sided viewpoint and nobody else&#039;s. That is just plain dangerous. 
I used to frequent the Hopper Hut in Toronto&#039;s Scarborough area. The entire strip mall was dominated by Tamil merchants and Tamil people. Many in the community stick together like glue in Toronto. If I ordered take-away food at the hopper hut, they would speak to me first in Tamil, not English. While I waited, I would listen to  the conversations around me. I have to admit I totally believed everything they said. How could I not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I little off topic, but in response to some of the comments here. I am frankly sick and tired of the &#8216;Genocide Talk&#8217;. I can certainly speculate that there are several, if not a lot of rogue members of the SLA that do commit atrocities against the civilians and have over the years, just the the Indian army did and just like the US army did and continue to do to the Iraqis, or the Russians did to just about everyone. As far as collateral damage towards the civilians, that happens everywhere. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza to name a few.<br />
But none of the States these armies represented had any Genocide mandate to seek out and wipe out a race, simply because they are members of that race.<br />
The Sri Lankan government may be guilty of a lot of things, but genocide is not one of them.<br />
If you are talking about the pogrom of 1983, yes, that was an instance where they searched for Tamils and killed them and the then government (probably) turned a blind eye to it. That was a terrible thing that changed all of our lives forever and one could define those acts as Genocide. Time to let it go guys. I live in Colombo and I do not fear for my life at all. Do I think that one day a big government truck is going to come by my house and drag me and my family off the death camps? No! Now they may drag me off in a white van and threaten to kill me unless I take back what I am saying about the government. Or they may want all my money. Well that is criminal activity plain and simple. It is not Genocide.<br />
Can the pogrom happen again? I actually don&#8217;t think so. Lessons were learned and I am sure many regrets and it will not be allowed to happen by this government. Corrupt they may be. Power hungry they may be. A soon to be dictatorship may be in the works. But genocide? Absolutely not.<br />
This is what I mean about the disapora extremists and their desire to spread these kinds of negative propaganda amongst each other. Keep the hate going and keep passing it down to your children who have never set foo tin this country. For what? Why?<br />
Please come back to Sri Lanka and see for yourselves like I have. The perceptive here is much different from the perspective in Canada and the UK. All you have is each other&#8217;s one-sided viewpoint and nobody else&#8217;s. That is just plain dangerous.<br />
I used to frequent the Hopper Hut in Toronto&#8217;s Scarborough area. The entire strip mall was dominated by Tamil merchants and Tamil people. Many in the community stick together like glue in Toronto. If I ordered take-away food at the hopper hut, they would speak to me first in Tamil, not English. While I waited, I would listen to  the conversations around me. I have to admit I totally believed everything they said. How could I not?</p>
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		<title>By: Agnos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even taking your assertion at face value, Tamils had several reasons why they could not have defeated the LTTE.  Firstly, Tamil society did not control any state, with all the power it entails. Secondly, India&#039;s intervention and aid to the LTTE was beyond their control. Thirdly, the Sinhalese polity never agreed even to the basic demands of moderate Tamil leaders, and was increasingly racist and brutal. That gave the LTTE a chance to argue, with some justification, that only their military power would provide some leverage against the brutality of the State. Tamil dissidents who could have opposed the LTTE were lost between the totalitarian LTTE on one side and a lawless, racist State on the other. Such a State never could have provided any motivation for them to join forces with it, except perhaps in the early days of CBK presidency.   It was in that environment that LTTE&#039;s totalitarianism thrived. 

Now let me take Bob Casey&#039;s words: 
&#8220;The Government of Sri Lanka will not negotiate directly with the LTTE.  But it does not appear as though the government has much interest in finding alternative Tamil interlocutors, nor have the Tamils presented a credible alternative to the LTTE.&#8221;
You phrased it only as &#8220;the Tamils have yet to throw up a viable democratic alternative.&#8221;
Nor did you address the harsh criticism leveled against your government at the Senate hearing by many people. Even yesterday, 35 congressmen wrote to Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice, saying that Sri Lanka is currently on &#8220;Red Alert&#8221; for genocide.  You will hide when that is mentioned.
You have had a history of distorting other people&#039;s words out of context to put yourself, your State and the Sinhalese in a favorable light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even taking your assertion at face value, Tamils had several reasons why they could not have defeated the LTTE.  Firstly, Tamil society did not control any state, with all the power it entails. Secondly, India&#8217;s intervention and aid to the LTTE was beyond their control. Thirdly, the Sinhalese polity never agreed even to the basic demands of moderate Tamil leaders, and was increasingly racist and brutal. That gave the LTTE a chance to argue, with some justification, that only their military power would provide some leverage against the brutality of the State. Tamil dissidents who could have opposed the LTTE were lost between the totalitarian LTTE on one side and a lawless, racist State on the other. Such a State never could have provided any motivation for them to join forces with it, except perhaps in the early days of CBK presidency.   It was in that environment that LTTE&#8217;s totalitarianism thrived. </p>
<p>Now let me take Bob Casey&#8217;s words:<br />
&ldquo;The Government of Sri Lanka will not negotiate directly with the LTTE.  But it does not appear as though the government has much interest in finding alternative Tamil interlocutors, nor have the Tamils presented a credible alternative to the LTTE.&rdquo;<br />
You phrased it only as &ldquo;the Tamils have yet to throw up a viable democratic alternative.&rdquo;<br />
Nor did you address the harsh criticism leveled against your government at the Senate hearing by many people. Even yesterday, 35 congressmen wrote to Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice, saying that Sri Lanka is currently on &ldquo;Red Alert&rdquo; for genocide.  You will hide when that is mentioned.<br />
You have had a history of distorting other people&#8217;s words out of context to put yourself, your State and the Sinhalese in a favorable light.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Jayatilleka,
You keep evading real issues and changing the goalposts. It is impossible to stay on point and continue any debate with you. So I will just say something before stopping.

First you argued that Tamil diaspora&#039;s current actions are tribalist; I rebutted that and you brought up years old action by the LTTE in killing TELO cadre.  When I rebutted that, you go onto distorting Senator Casey&#039;s wordsâ€¦ then you bring up the JVP.
The way the JVP insurrection was suppressed, far from being reflecting positively on the Sinhalese society, is a blot on them. I was in Kandy at that time and witnessed the barbarism of the State as well as the JVP--the beheadings, the bodies dumped on the roads, etc. It reflected something fundamental in Sinhalese society. Willingness to indulge in or tolerate extreme violence and brutality by the State; willingness to murder people in the thousands and discard basic tenets of democracy-- individual rights, the rule of law, due process. It was a tribalist war if there ever was one. 
The JVP&#039;s totalitarianism could have been easily handled by strengthening democratic institutions while taking proper counter-insurgency actions defensively and offensively.  
Indeed, the brutality of that conflict only reinforced my view that Tamils could never integrate with the Sinhalese society or get any justice from the State. That someone with an academic background and in a diplomatic position would hold the no-holds barred campaign of killings as reflecting positively on the Sinhalese society tells me only that, by indulging  for so long in propaganda, that person has become ugly and  lost his sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jayatilleka,<br />
You keep evading real issues and changing the goalposts. It is impossible to stay on point and continue any debate with you. So I will just say something before stopping.</p>
<p>First you argued that Tamil diaspora&#8217;s current actions are tribalist; I rebutted that and you brought up years old action by the LTTE in killing TELO cadre.  When I rebutted that, you go onto distorting Senator Casey&#8217;s wordsâ€¦ then you bring up the JVP.<br />
The way the JVP insurrection was suppressed, far from being reflecting positively on the Sinhalese society, is a blot on them. I was in Kandy at that time and witnessed the barbarism of the State as well as the JVP&#8211;the beheadings, the bodies dumped on the roads, etc. It reflected something fundamental in Sinhalese society. Willingness to indulge in or tolerate extreme violence and brutality by the State; willingness to murder people in the thousands and discard basic tenets of democracy&#8211; individual rights, the rule of law, due process. It was a tribalist war if there ever was one.<br />
The JVP&#8217;s totalitarianism could have been easily handled by strengthening democratic institutions while taking proper counter-insurgency actions defensively and offensively.<br />
Indeed, the brutality of that conflict only reinforced my view that Tamils could never integrate with the Sinhalese society or get any justice from the State. That someone with an academic background and in a diplomatic position would hold the no-holds barred campaign of killings as reflecting positively on the Sinhalese society tells me only that, by indulging  for so long in propaganda, that person has become ugly and  lost his sanity.</p>
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