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	<title>Comments on: DILEMMA&#8217;S AT WAR&#8217;S END: THOUGHTS ON HARD REALITIES</title>
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		<title>By: Pragmatist</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator>Pragmatist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article by Michael Roberts.  I will certainly ask my kids to read it, as a lesson in Sri Lankan history.

Let me say this to Raja and all others who back the argument for two nations in Sri Lanka.  There are more tamils living outside than inside of the areas that you define as tamil homelands. None of these folks, including myself and my family, wish to relocate to a newly created ethnic tamil ghetto in Jaffna or Batticaloa.  YOU TELL ME what we are supposed to do, if your goals is ever achieved?  Of course, this is a moot point now that the crazy Sun God is dead.  Was it your idea that we should all give up everything and move in an exodus to the promised land??  How do we establish our right to live in such a ghetto?  I am a mixed Tamil-Sinhala person who speaks only sinhala and english, where do I belong?  Can sinhala people live in your homeland too?  Can they do business too like it used to be in Jaffna pre1970s? 

I challenge any PRO-TIGER members of the Tamil diapora living in Canada, UK, Sweden, Australia etc to provide me an answer to this question.  By the way, please add to your answer what you intend to do too (i.e. your intent to move your entire clan back to this ghetto).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article by Michael Roberts.  I will certainly ask my kids to read it, as a lesson in Sri Lankan history.</p>
<p>Let me say this to Raja and all others who back the argument for two nations in Sri Lanka.  There are more tamils living outside than inside of the areas that you define as tamil homelands. None of these folks, including myself and my family, wish to relocate to a newly created ethnic tamil ghetto in Jaffna or Batticaloa.  YOU TELL ME what we are supposed to do, if your goals is ever achieved?  Of course, this is a moot point now that the crazy Sun God is dead.  Was it your idea that we should all give up everything and move in an exodus to the promised land??  How do we establish our right to live in such a ghetto?  I am a mixed Tamil-Sinhala person who speaks only sinhala and english, where do I belong?  Can sinhala people live in your homeland too?  Can they do business too like it used to be in Jaffna pre1970s? </p>
<p>I challenge any PRO-TIGER members of the Tamil diapora living in Canada, UK, Sweden, Australia etc to provide me an answer to this question.  By the way, please add to your answer what you intend to do too (i.e. your intent to move your entire clan back to this ghetto).</p>
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		<title>By: Cofused</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-6043</link>
		<dc:creator>Cofused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 10:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry. TAFFAI should be TAFII (Task Force For Illicit Immigration)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry. TAFFAI should be TAFII (Task Force For Illicit Immigration)</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 10:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the humanity in the 21st century justify civilian casualiteis in a war? The imperialist British bombed unprotected civilains in Dresden killing over 35,000 civilians even after the war was over. Can a war itself be justified in solving political/economic/social problems of this magnitude? Sri Lankan  then president JR wanted military help from India in 1987 as he had to fight another war with disaffected Sinhala youth in the South. IPKF did what Sri Lanka military was unable to do at that time because it had no logistical or manpower to fight a war in the south as well as the North. It is important and pertinent to ask what will be the next step when and if the war was over as Wasantha Raja did.  The history shows us that there hes been a history of oppression of people in the South and North by the state over centuries, and so-called independence in 1948 did solve nothing. The Sri lankan army continued its military presence in the North under what was then called TAFFAI arrangement. I know fully well that it was an occupation and the Tamils have resisted that occupation ever since. I think the current war has seriously undermined the possibility of a unitory state in future Sri Lanka without a military presence in the South, North and East. I do not think the present Sri Lankan Government would be in a position to offer a solution based on equality to all people in the country? Possibly, the next generation of Sinhala/Tamil people will understand the reality and fight for a society which wiill ensure equality and justice to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the humanity in the 21st century justify civilian casualiteis in a war? The imperialist British bombed unprotected civilains in Dresden killing over 35,000 civilians even after the war was over. Can a war itself be justified in solving political/economic/social problems of this magnitude? Sri Lankan  then president JR wanted military help from India in 1987 as he had to fight another war with disaffected Sinhala youth in the South. IPKF did what Sri Lanka military was unable to do at that time because it had no logistical or manpower to fight a war in the south as well as the North. It is important and pertinent to ask what will be the next step when and if the war was over as Wasantha Raja did.  The history shows us that there hes been a history of oppression of people in the South and North by the state over centuries, and so-called independence in 1948 did solve nothing. The Sri lankan army continued its military presence in the North under what was then called TAFFAI arrangement. I know fully well that it was an occupation and the Tamils have resisted that occupation ever since. I think the current war has seriously undermined the possibility of a unitory state in future Sri Lanka without a military presence in the South, North and East. I do not think the present Sri Lankan Government would be in a position to offer a solution based on equality to all people in the country? Possibly, the next generation of Sinhala/Tamil people will understand the reality and fight for a society which wiill ensure equality and justice to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Calculator</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-5439</link>
		<dc:creator>Calculator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can trot out &#039;learned&#039; arguments for and against, depending mainly on our own sympathies. In the meantime a certain number of civilians (used as &#039;Human Shields&quot; ) die each day. Multiply the number of dead each day by the number of days the the fighting will continue if the government forces go on a &quot;cautious assault&quot;. How many dead will that be? On the other hand, what will be the total civilian deaths if maximum force is used and the LTTE fighters wiped out from Pudukudiirruppu area in a day or two?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can trot out &#8216;learned&#8217; arguments for and against, depending mainly on our own sympathies. In the meantime a certain number of civilians (used as &#8216;Human Shields&#8221; ) die each day. Multiply the number of dead each day by the number of days the the fighting will continue if the government forces go on a &#8220;cautious assault&#8221;. How many dead will that be? On the other hand, what will be the total civilian deaths if maximum force is used and the LTTE fighters wiped out from Pudukudiirruppu area in a day or two?</p>
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		<title>By: Raja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Roberts entire argument is based without regard to the crux of this long drawn out conflict: There are two nations on the island of Sri Lanka. Tamils are not trying to carve out a new state, they are trying to free a nation that has existed for millennia while the sinhalese are trying to subjugate and occupy that nation. This reality becomes glaringly obvious when you look at Jaffna where you have 600,000 tamils being occupied by 50,00 Sri Lankan troops. The end-game is really more of the same. More occupation: this time in Vanni, in Kilinochchi, in Muliathivu, in Batticaloa and everywhere in between.

The position of the tamil people around the world regardless of their allegiance with the LTTE is clear: Let&#039;s have a referendum. Let the people decide. It&#039;s interesting that the GOSLs response to this argument is to completely deny the existence of the historic tamil nation. Just like the Iranians, who start out with a policy of not recognizing Israel deny the holoaust , the GOSL starts with the racist premise that Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese, and therefore have no choice, but to deny the existence of the historic tamil homeland. Curiously, it&#039;s the same extreme &quot;nationalists&quot; who are quick to annoint President Rajapakse as the modern day Dutugemunu. Dutugemunu is of course, was according to Sinhalese history, the last Sri Lankan king to take his army to the north and defeat the great tamil king Elara to unite the island. By doing so aren&#039;t these so called &quot;nationalists&quot; admitting that even a thousang years ago there was a tamil kingdom with a king named Elara?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Roberts entire argument is based without regard to the crux of this long drawn out conflict: There are two nations on the island of Sri Lanka. Tamils are not trying to carve out a new state, they are trying to free a nation that has existed for millennia while the sinhalese are trying to subjugate and occupy that nation. This reality becomes glaringly obvious when you look at Jaffna where you have 600,000 tamils being occupied by 50,00 Sri Lankan troops. The end-game is really more of the same. More occupation: this time in Vanni, in Kilinochchi, in Muliathivu, in Batticaloa and everywhere in between.</p>
<p>The position of the tamil people around the world regardless of their allegiance with the LTTE is clear: Let&#8217;s have a referendum. Let the people decide. It&#8217;s interesting that the GOSLs response to this argument is to completely deny the existence of the historic tamil nation. Just like the Iranians, who start out with a policy of not recognizing Israel deny the holoaust , the GOSL starts with the racist premise that Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese, and therefore have no choice, but to deny the existence of the historic tamil homeland. Curiously, it&#8217;s the same extreme &#8220;nationalists&#8221; who are quick to annoint President Rajapakse as the modern day Dutugemunu. Dutugemunu is of course, was according to Sinhalese history, the last Sri Lankan king to take his army to the north and defeat the great tamil king Elara to unite the island. By doing so aren&#8217;t these so called &#8220;nationalists&#8221; admitting that even a thousang years ago there was a tamil kingdom with a king named Elara?</p>
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		<title>By: SomeOne1</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-5100</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeOne1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must put the &quot;Victory and defeat&#8221; in a proper context. Other wise, it doesn&#8217;t make sense. Winning the hearts and minds of the people trapped in the war is the real victory. I don&#039;t think that these people need a victory over their hearts and minds at this moment. Leave these people alone.  
 
Some of the people caught in the wanny jungle at the moment are from the villages near Trincomalee district boarder, Madawachi district boarder, Mannar, and Jaffna boarders of wanny. These peolple have been displaced and became refugees many times. The people in the kokilai, and wali oya region has been made refugees for more than 20 years.  
 
This will give some idea about the state of these people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must put the &quot;Victory and defeat&rdquo; in a proper context. Other wise, it doesn&rsquo;t make sense. Winning the hearts and minds of the people trapped in the war is the real victory. I don&#039;t think that these people need a victory over their hearts and minds at this moment. Leave these people alone.  </p>
<p>Some of the people caught in the wanny jungle at the moment are from the villages near Trincomalee district boarder, Madawachi district boarder, Mannar, and Jaffna boarders of wanny. These peolple have been displaced and became refugees many times. The people in the kokilai, and wali oya region has been made refugees for more than 20 years.  </p>
<p>This will give some idea about the state of these people.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeOne1</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-5099</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeOne1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wijayapala,.... the real &quot;hard reality&quot; is that there is no such thing called &quot;offering political solution&quot; within the frame work of democracy. Majority rules the country. It is simple as that. There shouldn&#039;t be any one to give and any one to take.  If we are really interested in finding a solution, we must come out of the square which is the current political frame work. There is no way around it. 
 
It is not correct to perceive the LTTE as an entity or a group. It can&#039;t stand alone and it is an illusive force. We may not see the LTTE today as it is in 25 years time. Because the world is evolving and changing, therefore, the nature of the conflict will also change with it. The only way to get rid of the LTTE is to get rid of the reason for the existence of LTTE.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wijayapala,&#8230;. the real &quot;hard reality&quot; is that there is no such thing called &quot;offering political solution&quot; within the frame work of democracy. Majority rules the country. It is simple as that. There shouldn&#039;t be any one to give and any one to take.  If we are really interested in finding a solution, we must come out of the square which is the current political frame work. There is no way around it. </p>
<p>It is not correct to perceive the LTTE as an entity or a group. It can&#039;t stand alone and it is an illusive force. We may not see the LTTE today as it is in 25 years time. Because the world is evolving and changing, therefore, the nature of the conflict will also change with it. The only way to get rid of the LTTE is to get rid of the reason for the existence of LTTE.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well to be clear I don&#039;t think the author meant to classify the Tamils in enemy areas as the &#039;enemy&#039; but rather the &#039;enemy side&#039;.&quot; 
 
Forgive me if I can&#039;t see the distinction between the &quot;enemy&quot; and the &quot;enemy side&quot;. Given the context, there isn&#039;t a distinction in the author&#039;s mind. 
 
The German population was regarded as the enemy and treated as such. The French population in Vichy-governed France was treated the same, while those in German-occupied France were treated as Allied civilians. In fact there were TWO French governments at the time -- the Vichy government allied to the Axis powers, and De Gaulle&#039;s Free French government in exile. 
 
Whether the Vietnam war was a proxy war between the US and China or one between North and South Vietnam is irrelevant (in fact it was both), as civilians of both varieties existed no matter how you looked at the war. The North Vietnamese population was treated as the enemy by the South and its western allies. The South Vietnamese population was considered to be variously friendly and hostile by all parties, according to region and affiliation. For example, the Montagnard tribes fought for the US, Vietcong, and NVA. 
 
In SL, the Tamil population IS broadly considered to be &quot;occupied&quot;. For this reason, the GoSL has continued to feed and pay the NE.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Well to be clear I don&#039;t think the author meant to classify the Tamils in enemy areas as the &#039;enemy&#039; but rather the &#039;enemy side&#039;.&quot; </p>
<p>Forgive me if I can&#039;t see the distinction between the &quot;enemy&quot; and the &quot;enemy side&quot;. Given the context, there isn&#039;t a distinction in the author&#039;s mind. </p>
<p>The German population was regarded as the enemy and treated as such. The French population in Vichy-governed France was treated the same, while those in German-occupied France were treated as Allied civilians. In fact there were TWO French governments at the time &#8212; the Vichy government allied to the Axis powers, and De Gaulle&#039;s Free French government in exile. </p>
<p>Whether the Vietnam war was a proxy war between the US and China or one between North and South Vietnam is irrelevant (in fact it was both), as civilians of both varieties existed no matter how you looked at the war. The North Vietnamese population was treated as the enemy by the South and its western allies. The South Vietnamese population was considered to be variously friendly and hostile by all parties, according to region and affiliation. For example, the Montagnard tribes fought for the US, Vietcong, and NVA. </p>
<p>In SL, the Tamil population IS broadly considered to be &quot;occupied&quot;. For this reason, the GoSL has continued to feed and pay the NE.</p>
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		<title>By: nicolai</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-5029</link>
		<dc:creator>nicolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to be clear I don&#039;t think the author meant to classify the Tamils in enemy areas as the &#039;enemy&#039; but rather  the &#039;enemy side&#039;. He meant it in a geographical sense. With respect to comparison with other historical cases, I believe the author does clarify that in a way when he said &#039;whether civil war or war between nation states&#039;. Your French example is one where the war was between nation states. Therefore in the case of occupied France, there was no French government to supply their people. It would have had to come from the Allies. The same would have been the case with the Nazis. There was no other German government to save the Hitler youth from being brainwashed and recruited. Again that task was also left to the Allies.  Vietnam? well that is a whole different game. Was it really a civil war or was a it thinly disguised war between the US and China / Soviet? Whatever.    
Nevertheless, I agree with the author that rarely in history has the government in civil or national conflict has taken too much direct interest in the welfare of the civilians residing on the side.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to be clear I don&#039;t think the author meant to classify the Tamils in enemy areas as the &#039;enemy&#039; but rather  the &#039;enemy side&#039;. He meant it in a geographical sense. With respect to comparison with other historical cases, I believe the author does clarify that in a way when he said &#039;whether civil war or war between nation states&#039;. Your French example is one where the war was between nation states. Therefore in the case of occupied France, there was no French government to supply their people. It would have had to come from the Allies. The same would have been the case with the Nazis. There was no other German government to save the Hitler youth from being brainwashed and recruited. Again that task was also left to the Allies.  Vietnam? well that is a whole different game. Was it really a civil war or was a it thinly disguised war between the US and China / Soviet? Whatever.<br />
Nevertheless, I agree with the author that rarely in history has the government in civil or national conflict has taken too much direct interest in the welfare of the civilians residing on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: wijayapala</title>
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		<dc:creator>wijayapala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything, it seems that it is Vasantha Raja who is quite unaware of the &quot;hard realities.&quot;  Mahinda knew very well that the LTTE derived its strength not through popular support or desire for the eternally vague/elusive &quot;political solution,&quot; but rather from the force of arms backed with child soldiers.  Offering a &quot;political solution&quot; would not have changed this hard reality and would have instead demonstrated Mahinda&#039;s lack of resolve.  Mahinda also understood the hard reality that the int&#039;l community would never help him to defeat the LTTE no matter how much he would offer in a &quot;political solution.&quot; 
 
Contrary to what Vasantha imagines, the LTTE will not bounce back as a guerrilla force because its strongest supporters are in Toronto and London, not Sri Lanka.  The LTTE ultimately gave nothing to the Tamils after 25 years of war and destruction, and the Tamils will not support another fruitless 25-year war. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, it seems that it is Vasantha Raja who is quite unaware of the &quot;hard realities.&quot;  Mahinda knew very well that the LTTE derived its strength not through popular support or desire for the eternally vague/elusive &quot;political solution,&quot; but rather from the force of arms backed with child soldiers.  Offering a &quot;political solution&quot; would not have changed this hard reality and would have instead demonstrated Mahinda&#039;s lack of resolve.  Mahinda also understood the hard reality that the int&#039;l community would never help him to defeat the LTTE no matter how much he would offer in a &quot;political solution.&quot; </p>
<p>Contrary to what Vasantha imagines, the LTTE will not bounce back as a guerrilla force because its strongest supporters are in Toronto and London, not Sri Lanka.  The LTTE ultimately gave nothing to the Tamils after 25 years of war and destruction, and the Tamils will not support another fruitless 25-year war.</p>
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		<title>By: Vasantha Raja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasantha Raja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, from a purely militaristic viewpoint Roberts&#039; arguments sound solid. Also, his observations about Tiger politics [the &#039;command rule&#039; &amp; the &#039;command economy&#039; etc.] seem closer to the truth. But, amazingly, the history scholar has conveniently avoided saying a word about the SL Govt&#039;s fundamental &#039;crime&#039;: i.e. its failure to come up with an unambiguously attractive political solution that suits &quot;the hard realities&quot; of the Sri Lankan society. Mahinda Rajapaksa&#039;s first step should have been to launch an island-wide media campaign to enlighten all communities of the principles of an explicitly equality-based constitution to be negotiated with the LTTE. That should have been the first step before going to war, as I&#039;ve been telling the president at the time he came to power. This, he could have done unilaterally. But, unfortunately, he chose to put the cart before the horse. Perhaps, the supremacist mindsets within his administration are responsible for this. 
 
Had he got the priorities right, things would have gone in a totally different way. For instance, if the hard-headed separatists tried to sabotage an unequivocally anti-supremacist solution, the Tamil people - within and outside &quot;Tigerland&quot;, including the powerful Tamil Diaspora - would have parted company with ideological separatism. The civilians within &quot;Tigerland&quot; - who now provide the logistical support for the Tigers - would have sabotaged Tigers from within as the partisan movements did during the Second World War. The international community, including the Tamil Nadu establishment would have openly backed the government against the LTTE. 
Now that the Rajapaksa regime has done everything in the wrong order the repercussions would be disastrous: Tigers - with or without Prabhakaran - will bounce back as a guerrilla force much faster than the way the JVP did it. Almost the entirety of the SL army would be bogged down in the north and the east for the foreseeable future, posing a logistical and economic nightmare for the government. The military euphoria will elevate Sinhala supremacy to new heights and an equity-based solution would become a virtual impossibility. Civilian atrocities will reach genocidal proportions with the full approval from the likes of Roberts. Rising dissent and probable economic catastrophes in the south could push the Rajapaksa-regime towards a naked dictatorship, and the fate of Sri Lanka would be doomed for years to come. 
 
It is this aspect of the hard realities that is missing from Roberts&#039; appraisal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, from a purely militaristic viewpoint Roberts&#039; arguments sound solid. Also, his observations about Tiger politics [the &#039;command rule&#039; &amp; the &#039;command economy&#039; etc.] seem closer to the truth. But, amazingly, the history scholar has conveniently avoided saying a word about the SL Govt&#039;s fundamental &#039;crime&#039;: i.e. its failure to come up with an unambiguously attractive political solution that suits &quot;the hard realities&quot; of the Sri Lankan society. Mahinda Rajapaksa&#039;s first step should have been to launch an island-wide media campaign to enlighten all communities of the principles of an explicitly equality-based constitution to be negotiated with the LTTE. That should have been the first step before going to war, as I&#039;ve been telling the president at the time he came to power. This, he could have done unilaterally. But, unfortunately, he chose to put the cart before the horse. Perhaps, the supremacist mindsets within his administration are responsible for this. </p>
<p>Had he got the priorities right, things would have gone in a totally different way. For instance, if the hard-headed separatists tried to sabotage an unequivocally anti-supremacist solution, the Tamil people &#8211; within and outside &quot;Tigerland&quot;, including the powerful Tamil Diaspora &#8211; would have parted company with ideological separatism. The civilians within &quot;Tigerland&quot; &#8211; who now provide the logistical support for the Tigers &#8211; would have sabotaged Tigers from within as the partisan movements did during the Second World War. The international community, including the Tamil Nadu establishment would have openly backed the government against the LTTE.<br />
Now that the Rajapaksa regime has done everything in the wrong order the repercussions would be disastrous: Tigers &#8211; with or without Prabhakaran &#8211; will bounce back as a guerrilla force much faster than the way the JVP did it. Almost the entirety of the SL army would be bogged down in the north and the east for the foreseeable future, posing a logistical and economic nightmare for the government. The military euphoria will elevate Sinhala supremacy to new heights and an equity-based solution would become a virtual impossibility. Civilian atrocities will reach genocidal proportions with the full approval from the likes of Roberts. Rising dissent and probable economic catastrophes in the south could push the Rajapaksa-regime towards a naked dictatorship, and the fate of Sri Lanka would be doomed for years to come. </p>
<p>It is this aspect of the hard realities that is missing from Roberts&#039; appraisal.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articles like these voices the view of rational observers. LTTE one way or another is representing Tamils (although people tend to claim allegiance with their representation at their convenience). They have declared war on a Nation that is responding. So if the Tamils want peace they need to rise up against the forces that are (mis)representing them. So all the humanitarians need to have the courage to rise up and campaign against the LTTE, deploring them at all instances. There are no grounds for a cease-fire as SL Army has already had grace periods for civilian evacuations and safety zones. This is the wrath of war! It is an inevitable repercussion of poorly conceived armed efforts. This is the war that LTTE asked for, so face it or rise up against the LTTE! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articles like these voices the view of rational observers. LTTE one way or another is representing Tamils (although people tend to claim allegiance with their representation at their convenience). They have declared war on a Nation that is responding. So if the Tamils want peace they need to rise up against the forces that are (mis)representing them. So all the humanitarians need to have the courage to rise up and campaign against the LTTE, deploring them at all instances. There are no grounds for a cease-fire as SL Army has already had grace periods for civilian evacuations and safety zones. This is the wrath of war! It is an inevitable repercussion of poorly conceived armed efforts. This is the war that LTTE asked for, so face it or rise up against the LTTE!</p>
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		<title>By: S V Kasynathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>S V Kasynathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exhortation &quot;... Turn the other cheek&quot; is an action and therefore unacceptable, useless or if you like even immoral but not false, groundless or naive as beliefs may be. It is for this reason, that despite even the entire horrible history of human beings, Jesus cannot be said to have been appallingly na&#239;ve or unrealistic, without misunderstanding what he was doing with his words.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exhortation &quot;&#8230; Turn the other cheek&quot; is an action and therefore unacceptable, useless or if you like even immoral but not false, groundless or naive as beliefs may be. It is for this reason, that despite even the entire horrible history of human beings, Jesus cannot be said to have been appallingly na&iuml;ve or unrealistic, without misunderstanding what he was doing with his words.</p>
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		<title>By: S V Kasynathan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-4864</link>
		<dc:creator>S V Kasynathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To many, it seems exceedingly clear that in a ceasefire now, the main beneficiary would only be the LTTE. I think it is possible to be over impressed by this. The war has been and is a large and monstrous part of our reality but it is not the only thing we need to think about. Especially from the advantageous point from which we are able to reflect about the &#8220;end game&#8221; as well as on the protracted middle and the not too clear opening.   
 
Academics are taught to be ever conscious of the possibility that what they say may be wrong. That awareness is what usually keeps them from jumping into current hotspots where possibly wrong pronouncements may lead to consequences that cannot be taken back &#8211; such as for example the undeserved killing of even a single person. Unless of course the academic decides to sign up, as all too commonly they do.    
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To many, it seems exceedingly clear that in a ceasefire now, the main beneficiary would only be the LTTE. I think it is possible to be over impressed by this. The war has been and is a large and monstrous part of our reality but it is not the only thing we need to think about. Especially from the advantageous point from which we are able to reflect about the &ldquo;end game&rdquo; as well as on the protracted middle and the not too clear opening.   </p>
<p>Academics are taught to be ever conscious of the possibility that what they say may be wrong. That awareness is what usually keeps them from jumping into current hotspots where possibly wrong pronouncements may lead to consequences that cannot be taken back &ndash; such as for example the undeserved killing of even a single person. Unless of course the academic decides to sign up, as all too commonly they do.</p>
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		<title>By: S V Kasynathan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-4863</link>
		<dc:creator>S V Kasynathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disturbing because Michael is very aware of the suffering of the people in LTTE controlled territory and of the inability to identify the willing from the coerced. Surely Michael knows that among those screwed into conscription as he says and others, there are a number of totally confused and clueless poverty stricken peasants, their wives and grandchildren who have never even heard the word citizenship let alone deny it as he says they do or claim it. 
 
Many believe it a great advance for humanity to have arrived at a judicial system that goes to great lengths to ensure that the innocent are not punished even at the risk of letting some guilty ones escape. Apart from pointing out that those who win wars do not have such scruples, Michel seems to want us to believe that they need not in this particular case.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disturbing because Michael is very aware of the suffering of the people in LTTE controlled territory and of the inability to identify the willing from the coerced. Surely Michael knows that among those screwed into conscription as he says and others, there are a number of totally confused and clueless poverty stricken peasants, their wives and grandchildren who have never even heard the word citizenship let alone deny it as he says they do or claim it. </p>
<p>Many believe it a great advance for humanity to have arrived at a judicial system that goes to great lengths to ensure that the innocent are not punished even at the risk of letting some guilty ones escape. Apart from pointing out that those who win wars do not have such scruples, Michel seems to want us to believe that they need not in this particular case.</p>
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		<title>By: S V Kasynathan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-4862</link>
		<dc:creator>S V Kasynathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 
&#8220;You have all done worse things than us&#8221; is already a favourite line. Michel probably does no great harm by lending his considerable credentials to that never very conclusive argument. Is never implies ought. Nor does, was. 
 
But what is more disturbing is that he seems to question the morality of the request for a cease fire and humanitarian intervention on other grounds also. For, even if he does not intend it, in suggesting that people in the Vanni are not quite civilians and deciding to refer to them as civilians in inverted commas; in arguing that they have somehow had it good though they are people on the enemy side; in calling them Tamils in Tigerland; that there are probably not that many of them; and also in speculating that they may be mixed up with getting more rations and pensions than their due by neglecting to register their numerous dead and departed, Michel seems to imply that they are really not worth sparing or merit the attention of the &#8220;do-gooders&#8221;, not to mention his curious idea that perhaps that they, and probably everyone else, will benefit if finished off now rather than later. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;You have all done worse things than us&rdquo; is already a favourite line. Michel probably does no great harm by lending his considerable credentials to that never very conclusive argument. Is never implies ought. Nor does, was. </p>
<p>But what is more disturbing is that he seems to question the morality of the request for a cease fire and humanitarian intervention on other grounds also. For, even if he does not intend it, in suggesting that people in the Vanni are not quite civilians and deciding to refer to them as civilians in inverted commas; in arguing that they have somehow had it good though they are people on the enemy side; in calling them Tamils in Tigerland; that there are probably not that many of them; and also in speculating that they may be mixed up with getting more rations and pensions than their due by neglecting to register their numerous dead and departed, Michel seems to imply that they are really not worth sparing or merit the attention of the &ldquo;do-gooders&rdquo;, not to mention his curious idea that perhaps that they, and probably everyone else, will benefit if finished off now rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayan Jayatilleka</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-4856</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayan Jayatilleka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>er...you mean, as Abraham Lincoln, General Ulysses Grant ( later President Grant), General Sherman and the Unionists did while fighting the intra-state war against the secessionist Confederacy, and the Russian federation did while fighting the intra-state war against the Chechen terrorist-separatist army? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er&#8230;you mean, as Abraham Lincoln, General Ulysses Grant ( later President Grant), General Sherman and the Unionists did while fighting the intra-state war against the secessionist Confederacy, and the Russian federation did while fighting the intra-state war against the Chechen terrorist-separatist army?</p>
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		<title>By: CCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Justin how you forget!! 
 
Do you not recall how the &quot;neutral&quot; Scandinavian monitoring team was culled by the LTTE when all monitors from EU countries were asked to leave and only Norwegians were left? This was after the EU banned the LTTE.  
 
Then do you recall that the monitoring team in the time in Lanka recorded 3000+ violations of the ceasefire by the LTTE compared to the 173 by the SLA? 
 
Nothing is more satisfying than selective amnesia! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Justin how you forget!! </p>
<p>Do you not recall how the &quot;neutral&quot; Scandinavian monitoring team was culled by the LTTE when all monitors from EU countries were asked to leave and only Norwegians were left? This was after the EU banned the LTTE.  </p>
<p>Then do you recall that the monitoring team in the time in Lanka recorded 3000+ violations of the ceasefire by the LTTE compared to the 173 by the SLA? </p>
<p>Nothing is more satisfying than selective amnesia!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wijayapala, 
 
Seeing what India is doing now and what it did to Tamils during 1987, do you really believe that India came to liberate the people of NE into an indpendent Tamil Eelam ? The answer is an unequivocal No. 
 
So, India was a scapegoat used by Sri Lankan state to oppress a liberation struggle. Therefore, LTTE had to fight  IPKF.  And India waged war instead of bringing peace. They did not have mandate to do that but the UN could not help Tamils from the Indian war. IPKF killed more than 3000 innocent civilian Tamils and not a single Sinhalese.  So, India was not a genuine peacekeeping force. Rajiv was the commander in Chief of that ruthless IPKF. 
 
The scandanavian monitors were present. Were any of them killed by the LTTE?  No. It was the GOSL who chased them away because they were neutral unlike India. That neutrality did not satisfy the GOSL. 
 
What is needed is a genuine, neutral and imparital peace keeping force. 
Those who do not seek a peace keeping force under some excuse or the other are directly or indirectly for Tamil genocide in SL. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wijayapala, </p>
<p>Seeing what India is doing now and what it did to Tamils during 1987, do you really believe that India came to liberate the people of NE into an indpendent Tamil Eelam ? The answer is an unequivocal No. </p>
<p>So, India was a scapegoat used by Sri Lankan state to oppress a liberation struggle. Therefore, LTTE had to fight  IPKF.  And India waged war instead of bringing peace. They did not have mandate to do that but the UN could not help Tamils from the Indian war. IPKF killed more than 3000 innocent civilian Tamils and not a single Sinhalese.  So, India was not a genuine peacekeeping force. Rajiv was the commander in Chief of that ruthless IPKF. </p>
<p>The scandanavian monitors were present. Were any of them killed by the LTTE?  No. It was the GOSL who chased them away because they were neutral unlike India. That neutrality did not satisfy the GOSL. </p>
<p>What is needed is a genuine, neutral and imparital peace keeping force.<br />
Those who do not seek a peace keeping force under some excuse or the other are directly or indirectly for Tamil genocide in SL.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie Senanayake</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2009/02/10/dilemmas-at-wars-end-thoughts-on-hard-realities/#comment-4826</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie Senanayake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must hold governments to higher standards, not excuse their misconduct because it conforms to conventions used  by Allied forces during the WW11. Furthermore, the differences between intra- and inter state wars render this comparison inadequete. Civilians in intra-state wars are all citizens of the same country- and thus the government is bound to provide all civilians with medical supplies and essential food items- it is their core responsiblity and function!  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must hold governments to higher standards, not excuse their misconduct because it conforms to conventions used  by Allied forces during the WW11. Furthermore, the differences between intra- and inter state wars render this comparison inadequete. Civilians in intra-state wars are all citizens of the same country- and thus the government is bound to provide all civilians with medical supplies and essential food items- it is their core responsiblity and function!</p>
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