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		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3707</link>
		<dc:creator>commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>india cannot make sri lanka give an eelam. surely they won&#039;t risk chineese military bases in sri lanka. giving out a terrorist state is blasphemy to most nations now. international community cannot and will not allow that as it sends a wrong message to other terrorists. that is why the tide changed for sri lanka. ltte is that bratty child who grew up and realised he was nobody among men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>india cannot make sri lanka give an eelam. surely they won&#8217;t risk chineese military bases in sri lanka. giving out a terrorist state is blasphemy to most nations now. international community cannot and will not allow that as it sends a wrong message to other terrorists. that is why the tide changed for sri lanka. ltte is that bratty child who grew up and realised he was nobody among men.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajith</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3706</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aadhavan where is the &quot;earned&quot; sovereignty of red indian americans of US, aborigines of Australia, IRAQIS? Now I&#039;m talking about people who are indigenous who should not have to earn this right! Not late migrants. These are just terms (like RTP) used to squeeze less powerful countries for larger geo political benefit by the present world powers - dare I say the corporate nations that hold the politicians of these &quot;powers&quot; - &quot;private military assets&quot; as puppets for reckless wealth building.
You are probably one of them that studies politics but don&#039;t quite get it - in reality. 
There I spared the Googling for Wikipedia entries for false meanings of a worthless term for the other folk here. Again us general folk shouldn&#039;t be messing around with such a sophisticated topic beyond the grasp of our intellect anyway. Let&#039;s leave it to a select few of self proclaimed experts who are wise enough to advise on what we should refrain from. Cheers!
Spare me the international law - why Tamils turn to countries (which i leave u to figure out) that blatantly undermines these laws instead of boycotting them? UN supposedly stands for these laws but significant veto power is held by those nations that renegade against these laws at WILL making them to be the guardians of international law?? 
Study it anyway, we need another generation of UNers to prevent a 3rd world war and push paper work on how to share the oil among the big guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aadhavan where is the &#8220;earned&#8221; sovereignty of red indian americans of US, aborigines of Australia, IRAQIS? Now I&#8217;m talking about people who are indigenous who should not have to earn this right! Not late migrants. These are just terms (like RTP) used to squeeze less powerful countries for larger geo political benefit by the present world powers &#8211; dare I say the corporate nations that hold the politicians of these &#8220;powers&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;private military assets&#8221; as puppets for reckless wealth building.<br />
You are probably one of them that studies politics but don&#8217;t quite get it &#8211; in reality.<br />
There I spared the Googling for Wikipedia entries for false meanings of a worthless term for the other folk here. Again us general folk shouldn&#8217;t be messing around with such a sophisticated topic beyond the grasp of our intellect anyway. Let&#8217;s leave it to a select few of self proclaimed experts who are wise enough to advise on what we should refrain from. Cheers!<br />
Spare me the international law &#8211; why Tamils turn to countries (which i leave u to figure out) that blatantly undermines these laws instead of boycotting them? UN supposedly stands for these laws but significant veto power is held by those nations that renegade against these laws at WILL making them to be the guardians of international law??<br />
Study it anyway, we need another generation of UNers to prevent a 3rd world war and push paper work on how to share the oil among the big guns.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3689</link>
		<dc:creator>aadhavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for thinking the debate was about inter alia secession, sovereignty, UDI&#039;s and referenda. My bad.</description>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3684</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wasn&#039;t the debate, Aadhavan, as usual. Law rarely is a debate in any of this forums, however much you wish it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wasn&#8217;t the debate, Aadhavan, as usual. Law rarely is a debate in any of this forums, however much you wish it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: aadhavan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3680</link>
		<dc:creator>aadhavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate here on the question of secession is just painful to read. A referendum affirming the desire of a people group to secede is not in itself sufficient to ground a right to secession. i.e- Quebec. On the other hand, you don&#039;t need to be a federal unit or have a history of being a separate sovereign unit to claim a right to secession. Ultimately, the Montevideo conditions apply, with international recognition now emerging as all important feature. You see it in Kosovo, in the Balkans and to an extent in S. Osettia and potentially in Abkhazia. Those interested might want to google up the emerging theory on earned sovereignty. The North East can never secede as long as India is opposed to a secession. Conversely, if India wants to see a separate state in the North East, the Sri Lankan state will be powerless to stop it. That&#039;s cold reality. But please, guys, don&#039;t engage in a debate on public international law without at the very least having a superficial grasp of the first principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate here on the question of secession is just painful to read. A referendum affirming the desire of a people group to secede is not in itself sufficient to ground a right to secession. i.e- Quebec. On the other hand, you don&#8217;t need to be a federal unit or have a history of being a separate sovereign unit to claim a right to secession. Ultimately, the Montevideo conditions apply, with international recognition now emerging as all important feature. You see it in Kosovo, in the Balkans and to an extent in S. Osettia and potentially in Abkhazia. Those interested might want to google up the emerging theory on earned sovereignty. The North East can never secede as long as India is opposed to a secession. Conversely, if India wants to see a separate state in the North East, the Sri Lankan state will be powerless to stop it. That&#8217;s cold reality. But please, guys, don&#8217;t engage in a debate on public international law without at the very least having a superficial grasp of the first principles.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is better for a person to keep quiet than talking to exhibit his total ignorance !!!&quot;

Perhaps you should practice what you preach. Upto now, Justin, you and these other LTTE apologists are the only ignorant ones here.

&quot;The president of Serbia said this week that he is willing to recognise the independence of Kosovo. &quot;

Still repeating the mantra, Justin, without knowing the contents? You don&#039;t get from A to Z by skipping the rest of the alphabet. When a nation gets from A to Z, you don&#039;t assume it went in a straight line. Many or most of the former Jugoslavia were recognized nations in recent history. Tamil sovereignty within SL is still debatable with no real decisive evidence. Even if there was such evidence, it doesn&#039;t guarantee automatic independence -- it just brings it one step closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is better for a person to keep quiet than talking to exhibit his total ignorance !!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you should practice what you preach. Upto now, Justin, you and these other LTTE apologists are the only ignorant ones here.</p>
<p>&#8220;The president of Serbia said this week that he is willing to recognise the independence of Kosovo. &#8221;</p>
<p>Still repeating the mantra, Justin, without knowing the contents? You don&#8217;t get from A to Z by skipping the rest of the alphabet. When a nation gets from A to Z, you don&#8217;t assume it went in a straight line. Many or most of the former Jugoslavia were recognized nations in recent history. Tamil sovereignty within SL is still debatable with no real decisive evidence. Even if there was such evidence, it doesn&#8217;t guarantee automatic independence &#8212; it just brings it one step closer.</p>
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		<title>By: CHINTHANA MAHINDA</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>CHINTHANA MAHINDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Chintana Mahinda - This comment is heavily edited. Please refrain from personal insults and jibes. Not only do you then encourage a similar response from the person to whom they are intended, you just lower the quality of debate on this site. Please read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groundviews.org/submission-guidelines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;submission guidelines&lt;/a&gt; before you post.]

What about Eritrea?

the Eritreans rebeled and fought against the ethiopians for 31 straight years and finally on may 24th 1991 the gained their freedom. This is just one example where armed struggle succeeded.

There is nothing permanent except change. Nothing endures but change.
All is flux, nothing stays still. 
- Heraclitus of Ephesus-

500 years ago If someone said that someday people would land on the moon, people would have thought he was crazy!

A Tamil Eelaam is a more likely prospect though! If not in our lifetime...may be in children&#039;s or grand children&#039;s  lifetime.

Devolve maximum power to the minorities....or a &#039;Separate State&#039; is inevitable!</description>
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<p>What about Eritrea?</p>
<p>the Eritreans rebeled and fought against the ethiopians for 31 straight years and finally on may 24th 1991 the gained their freedom. This is just one example where armed struggle succeeded.</p>
<p>There is nothing permanent except change. Nothing endures but change.<br />
All is flux, nothing stays still.<br />
- Heraclitus of Ephesus-</p>
<p>500 years ago If someone said that someday people would land on the moon, people would have thought he was crazy!</p>
<p>A Tamil Eelaam is a more likely prospect though! If not in our lifetime&#8230;may be in children&#8217;s or grand children&#8217;s  lifetime.</p>
<p>Devolve maximum power to the minorities&#8230;.or a &#8216;Separate State&#8217; is inevitable!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarvan</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3664</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read the following comments it was very clear to me that the arson and destruction caused to the houses is a savage act of genocide.;

&quot;As I approached Murikandy I observed that everything was burnt and smashed. While I was passing this place last week, it was full of people and the place looked very busy, but now it has become a no man&#039;s land. The people have vacated from there due to bombing and shelling and the shops were also destroyed.&quot;

Such genocidal acts were witnessed in Sarajevo for which the army commander Ratco Mladic is being tried in the Hague. Hope it will be the same for Sarth Fonseka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the following comments it was very clear to me that the arson and destruction caused to the houses is a savage act of genocide.;</p>
<p>&#8220;As I approached Murikandy I observed that everything was burnt and smashed. While I was passing this place last week, it was full of people and the place looked very busy, but now it has become a no man&#8217;s land. The people have vacated from there due to bombing and shelling and the shops were also destroyed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such genocidal acts were witnessed in Sarajevo for which the army commander Ratco Mladic is being tried in the Hague. Hope it will be the same for Sarth Fonseka.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Blacker,

The president of Serbia said this week that he is willing to recognise the independence of Kosovo. Don&#039;t you worry, this watr will make the Sinhalese to be in the waste bin of the world and Tamil Eelam will become independent soon and the South will recognise Tamil Eelam like how Serbia is doing.

David, you seem to have a black out on Tamil matters. The North East were sovereign when the British colonised the island. The people of North East never ever opted to be in the republic of Sri Lanka. They have a right to secede like the countries you have mentioned in your letter.

It is better for a person to keep quiet than talking to exhibit his total ignorance !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Blacker,</p>
<p>The president of Serbia said this week that he is willing to recognise the independence of Kosovo. Don&#8217;t you worry, this watr will make the Sinhalese to be in the waste bin of the world and Tamil Eelam will become independent soon and the South will recognise Tamil Eelam like how Serbia is doing.</p>
<p>David, you seem to have a black out on Tamil matters. The North East were sovereign when the British colonised the island. The people of North East never ever opted to be in the republic of Sri Lanka. They have a right to secede like the countries you have mentioned in your letter.</p>
<p>It is better for a person to keep quiet than talking to exhibit his total ignorance !!!</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3661</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They are worthless to the accuser (you) because it doesn&#039;t prove it was the LTTE&quot;

Sorry, that should read &quot;...doesn&#039;t prove it was the Army.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They are worthless to the accuser (you) because it doesn&#8217;t prove it was the LTTE&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, that should read &#8220;&#8230;doesn&#8217;t prove it was the Army.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;David in 1980 there were 154 UN recognized countries. Today in 2008 there are 192 or is it 193 UN recognized countries. As you can see the number of countries in the world have continued to increase and not decrease!&quot;

Yes, Chinthana, no one is arguing the numbers. But I&#039;ve pointed out how those countries came into being -- via constitutional means; not by the gun. A large number of those countries from 1954 were artificial unions such as the USSR and Jugoslavia, which fractured into the constituent countries. Sticking your head in the sand and repeating a mantra won&#039;t give you Eelam -- after a quarter of a century of failure to get Eelam, don&#039;t you see that your way is wrong? How many more Tamils must die before you see that the LTTE can&#039;t get you Eelam?

&quot;â€˜If at first they (tamils) don&#039;t &#8220;Secede&#8221;, â€¦â€¦they will try and try again!&#8221;&quot;

Yes, until pigs fly and Santa comes down the chimney. Good luck with that. Perseverance isn&#039;t useful without intelligence. Bashing your head against a wall repeatedly just gives you a bashed head -- ask the Cuban exiles and the Tibetan militants.

&quot;the tamils were a separate nation before the british &#8220;unified&#8221; the country&quot;

What rubbish, Amazing. The entire country was a collection of fiefdoms, not nations. You might as well call Mt Lavinia a nation. If the &#039;72 constitution is illegal as you claim, challenge it in court.

&quot;and the ballistics are worthlessâ€¦ how do they PROVE it was the LTTEâ€¦? at most they show that ballistics aren&#039;t the determining factor hereâ€¦&quot;

They are worthless to the accuser (you) because it doesn&#039;t prove it was the LTTE. It&#039;s quite valuable to the accused (the GoSL) because it casts sufficient doubt on the accusations. So what is this Amazing determining factor, pray tell. You&#039;ve been banging on about this for a few weeks now without bringing up a single scrap of evidence to back up your fantasies.

&quot;did you listen to any of the testimony at the CoI? one of the govt guys there said that he had hidden his gun that had been usedâ€¦&quot;

I have read most of the transcripts and this seems to be a figment of your rather vivid imagination. Please link to any such documented statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;David in 1980 there were 154 UN recognized countries. Today in 2008 there are 192 or is it 193 UN recognized countries. As you can see the number of countries in the world have continued to increase and not decrease!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Chinthana, no one is arguing the numbers. But I&#8217;ve pointed out how those countries came into being &#8212; via constitutional means; not by the gun. A large number of those countries from 1954 were artificial unions such as the USSR and Jugoslavia, which fractured into the constituent countries. Sticking your head in the sand and repeating a mantra won&#8217;t give you Eelam &#8212; after a quarter of a century of failure to get Eelam, don&#8217;t you see that your way is wrong? How many more Tamils must die before you see that the LTTE can&#8217;t get you Eelam?</p>
<p>&#8220;â€˜If at first they (tamils) don&#8217;t &ldquo;Secede&rdquo;, â€¦â€¦they will try and try again!&rdquo;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, until pigs fly and Santa comes down the chimney. Good luck with that. Perseverance isn&#8217;t useful without intelligence. Bashing your head against a wall repeatedly just gives you a bashed head &#8212; ask the Cuban exiles and the Tibetan militants.</p>
<p>&#8220;the tamils were a separate nation before the british &ldquo;unified&rdquo; the country&#8221;</p>
<p>What rubbish, Amazing. The entire country was a collection of fiefdoms, not nations. You might as well call Mt Lavinia a nation. If the &#8217;72 constitution is illegal as you claim, challenge it in court.</p>
<p>&#8220;and the ballistics are worthlessâ€¦ how do they PROVE it was the LTTEâ€¦? at most they show that ballistics aren&#8217;t the determining factor hereâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>They are worthless to the accuser (you) because it doesn&#8217;t prove it was the LTTE. It&#8217;s quite valuable to the accused (the GoSL) because it casts sufficient doubt on the accusations. So what is this Amazing determining factor, pray tell. You&#8217;ve been banging on about this for a few weeks now without bringing up a single scrap of evidence to back up your fantasies.</p>
<p>&#8220;did you listen to any of the testimony at the CoI? one of the govt guys there said that he had hidden his gun that had been usedâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>I have read most of the transcripts and this seems to be a figment of your rather vivid imagination. Please link to any such documented statement.</p>
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		<title>By: amazing</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3658</link>
		<dc:creator>amazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should have been &quot;social COVENANT&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should have been &#8220;social COVENANT&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ajith</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3656</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nandasena i couldn&#039;t &quot;proof&quot; it because it was in the past - as in already happened! 

isn&#039;t it also a bit contradictory on your behalf that you fling the accusations/innuendos right back at another party without any evidence just after accusing me for lack of &quot;proof&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nandasena i couldn&#8217;t &#8220;proof&#8221; it because it was in the past &#8211; as in already happened! </p>
<p>isn&#8217;t it also a bit contradictory on your behalf that you fling the accusations/innuendos right back at another party without any evidence just after accusing me for lack of &#8220;proof&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajith</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3655</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing, I thought I may sacrifice a bit of my time to counter your incredibly blatant eelam white washing here. Not surprised though to be honest â€“ know your camp very well.

Tamils are safer in LTTE area? How the hell? If you&#039;re a youth or an adolescent child in your good years then you&#039;re DOOMED! Be it a male or a female. You are force conscripted to fight whether you like it or not. This is if they&#039;re lucky. Otherwise if those kids are unfortunate enough to be recruited by black tigers then it&#039;s worse than hell itself with the most excruciating training regime with a life of prostitution until the day u blow ur self up! Now amazing is it really a benefit to stay on that side? Tell me. I agree on the point that relatives of LTTE members will opt to stay because family ties are stronger than anything else. Gov controlled areas on the other hand cannot and will not forcefully recruit Tamil youth to fight. Yeah sure they get interrogated but that is common practice for any army to deal with IDPs coming from enemy territory. There will always be hidden enemy elements.

On top of it, it is not like LTTE can provide for these people. They got nothing and heavily depend on supplies from South. Wouldn&#039;t it make a whole lot of sense to let those people come over to the other side and at least be able to have a proper meal? Of course not that would diminish the LTTE&#039;s self imposed status as the guardian of Tamils. What a joke.

If you use some common sense it will dawn very clearly upon any thinking man/woman that killing aid workers is disadvantageous for the government and serves absolutely no purpose at all! All it does is to attract negative press and pressure from the international community! Why would the GOSL willingly pursue this attention? Exactly! So common sense would say it is the LTTE that has all to gain from this practice and unleashing their horde of propagandists to point the finger at GOSL.

Also why is it that some people are compelled to only point their finger at GOSL. C&#039;mon we weren&#039;t born yesterday, we all know what the LTTE is like. Bit of cyanide here n there, bit of suicide bombings here n there and a touch of international money laundering and ethnic cleansing? All with absolute impunity! Why not stand up to this? Why scream at a lesser evil? A corrupt government that can be held accountable and has been in the past.

Amazing, the amazing thing is that whatever the topic that is posted on this blog, eelam trumpets like your self will convert it to a flame thread and throw the same &#8220;ludicrous&#8221; (in your own words) arguments over and over. Contributing nothing to the original topic and completely roll it on a tangent. 

Finally I am not David Blacker and it puzzles me as to why you would associate me with him under a pseudonym? I couldn&#039;t figure it out. From the few posts I have seen by him seems to me like an educated individual and I certainly won&#039;t take any offence to it :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing, I thought I may sacrifice a bit of my time to counter your incredibly blatant eelam white washing here. Not surprised though to be honest â€“ know your camp very well.</p>
<p>Tamils are safer in LTTE area? How the hell? If you&#8217;re a youth or an adolescent child in your good years then you&#8217;re DOOMED! Be it a male or a female. You are force conscripted to fight whether you like it or not. This is if they&#8217;re lucky. Otherwise if those kids are unfortunate enough to be recruited by black tigers then it&#8217;s worse than hell itself with the most excruciating training regime with a life of prostitution until the day u blow ur self up! Now amazing is it really a benefit to stay on that side? Tell me. I agree on the point that relatives of LTTE members will opt to stay because family ties are stronger than anything else. Gov controlled areas on the other hand cannot and will not forcefully recruit Tamil youth to fight. Yeah sure they get interrogated but that is common practice for any army to deal with IDPs coming from enemy territory. There will always be hidden enemy elements.</p>
<p>On top of it, it is not like LTTE can provide for these people. They got nothing and heavily depend on supplies from South. Wouldn&#8217;t it make a whole lot of sense to let those people come over to the other side and at least be able to have a proper meal? Of course not that would diminish the LTTE&#8217;s self imposed status as the guardian of Tamils. What a joke.</p>
<p>If you use some common sense it will dawn very clearly upon any thinking man/woman that killing aid workers is disadvantageous for the government and serves absolutely no purpose at all! All it does is to attract negative press and pressure from the international community! Why would the GOSL willingly pursue this attention? Exactly! So common sense would say it is the LTTE that has all to gain from this practice and unleashing their horde of propagandists to point the finger at GOSL.</p>
<p>Also why is it that some people are compelled to only point their finger at GOSL. C&#8217;mon we weren&#8217;t born yesterday, we all know what the LTTE is like. Bit of cyanide here n there, bit of suicide bombings here n there and a touch of international money laundering and ethnic cleansing? All with absolute impunity! Why not stand up to this? Why scream at a lesser evil? A corrupt government that can be held accountable and has been in the past.</p>
<p>Amazing, the amazing thing is that whatever the topic that is posted on this blog, eelam trumpets like your self will convert it to a flame thread and throw the same &ldquo;ludicrous&rdquo; (in your own words) arguments over and over. Contributing nothing to the original topic and completely roll it on a tangent. </p>
<p>Finally I am not David Blacker and it puzzles me as to why you would associate me with him under a pseudonym? I couldn&#8217;t figure it out. From the few posts I have seen by him seems to me like an educated individual and I certainly won&#8217;t take any offence to it <img src='http://groundviews.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: amazing</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>amazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the tamils were a separate nation before the british &quot;unified&quot; the country - after independance the tamils entered into a &quot;social convent&quot; with the sinhalese based on section 29 (2) of the soulbury constitution - when this was dropped from the illegal 1972 constitution the tamils reverted back to their former status.

and the ballistics are worthless... how do they PROVE it was the LTTE...? at most they show that ballistics aren&#039;t the determining factor here... did you listen to any of the testimony at the CoI? one of the govt guys there said that he had hidden his gun that had been used...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the tamils were a separate nation before the british &#8220;unified&#8221; the country &#8211; after independance the tamils entered into a &#8220;social convent&#8221; with the sinhalese based on section 29 (2) of the soulbury constitution &#8211; when this was dropped from the illegal 1972 constitution the tamils reverted back to their former status.</p>
<p>and the ballistics are worthless&#8230; how do they PROVE it was the LTTE&#8230;? at most they show that ballistics aren&#8217;t the determining factor here&#8230; did you listen to any of the testimony at the CoI? one of the govt guys there said that he had hidden his gun that had been used&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CHINTHANA MAHINDA</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3653</link>
		<dc:creator>CHINTHANA MAHINDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David in 1980 there were 154 UN recognized countries. Today in 2008 there are 192 or is it 193 UN recognized countries. As you can see the number of countries in the world have continued to increase and not decrease!

If your government does not honestly devolve power to the minorities, their will eventually be a Tamil Eelam. It might take some time.

&#039;If at first they (tamils) don&#039;t  &quot;Secede&quot;, ......they will try and try again!&quot;

The More the Merrier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David in 1980 there were 154 UN recognized countries. Today in 2008 there are 192 or is it 193 UN recognized countries. As you can see the number of countries in the world have continued to increase and not decrease!</p>
<p>If your government does not honestly devolve power to the minorities, their will eventually be a Tamil Eelam. It might take some time.</p>
<p>&#8216;If at first they (tamils) don&#8217;t  &#8220;Secede&#8221;, &#8230;&#8230;they will try and try again!&#8221;</p>
<p>The More the Merrier!</p>
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		<title>By: David Blacker</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3651</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;as in East Timor, Macedonia, Czechoslovakia (Czech &amp; Slovakia now) and many other instances any referendum held would only involve those areas wishing to secede and not the rest of the country&quot;

Amazing, as usual you are amazingly ignorant of both history and current events. Let me educate you. East Timor was illegally annexed by Indonesia, so it&#039;s independence wasn&#039;t a secession, but a regaining of its independence from an occupying nation. Macedonia too had a constitutional right to secede if agreed. Czechoslovakia divided by mutual agreement, not by one side demanding it. For a secession, the population must first agree via a plebiscite that secession may be allowed via a vote, or it must agree via a referendum to devolve to a federal-type system. Once that has been done, a plebiscite can be held within the devolved province or federal state on secession. One has to walk before you can run.

Nandasena &amp; Amazing, I have clearly given you the ballistic and circumstantial evidence that tilts the balance towards the ACF workers being killed by the LTTE. You conveniently disappeared from that comment thread when faced with the facts, and now pop up again with your juvenile &quot;oh everybody knows that the GoSL did it.&quot; Well &quot;everybody&quot; knows that the Sinhalese are descended from a lion too, no? But where&#039;s the evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as in East Timor, Macedonia, Czechoslovakia (Czech &amp; Slovakia now) and many other instances any referendum held would only involve those areas wishing to secede and not the rest of the country&#8221;</p>
<p>Amazing, as usual you are amazingly ignorant of both history and current events. Let me educate you. East Timor was illegally annexed by Indonesia, so it&#8217;s independence wasn&#8217;t a secession, but a regaining of its independence from an occupying nation. Macedonia too had a constitutional right to secede if agreed. Czechoslovakia divided by mutual agreement, not by one side demanding it. For a secession, the population must first agree via a plebiscite that secession may be allowed via a vote, or it must agree via a referendum to devolve to a federal-type system. Once that has been done, a plebiscite can be held within the devolved province or federal state on secession. One has to walk before you can run.</p>
<p>Nandasena &amp; Amazing, I have clearly given you the ballistic and circumstantial evidence that tilts the balance towards the ACF workers being killed by the LTTE. You conveniently disappeared from that comment thread when faced with the facts, and now pop up again with your juvenile &#8220;oh everybody knows that the GoSL did it.&#8221; Well &#8220;everybody&#8221; knows that the Sinhalese are descended from a lion too, no? But where&#8217;s the evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: nandasena</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>nandasena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ajith seems to have &quot;evidence&quot; to prove the pepetrators of the crime of killing  the aid workers(as if he has seen it).  Why didn&#039;t he come out to the open and proof it?  What happened to the investigations carried out RELUCTANTLY by the government?  Why was the government reluctant to have the investigation? For that matter the Government is reluctant to hold inquiries in any of the killings, abduction, extrajudicial killings which is happening in the heart of Colombo during broad daylingt with a maze of check points manned by security forces.  Why? In any other country even if a dog is killed in this fashion, they will have inquiry and punish the culprits!!  Not in our country which &quot;boasts of 2,500 year old Budhist civilisation&quot;

How is that the Government is asking the Wanni people to come to the Govt. controlled areas, but asking the Tamil people who has come to Colombo to escape atrociities by the security forces from Jaffna and other places to go back to their own places?  Why did they send them back in buses from Colombo to Vavuniya and other places, without even allowing them to change their cloths or even to take their belongings or even to inform other family members who were out at that time? They did not even spare the sick people who have travelled from far away places and come for treatment to Colombo.  Does anybody Expect the Tamils to TRUST this Government after all these treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ajith seems to have &#8220;evidence&#8221; to prove the pepetrators of the crime of killing  the aid workers(as if he has seen it).  Why didn&#8217;t he come out to the open and proof it?  What happened to the investigations carried out RELUCTANTLY by the government?  Why was the government reluctant to have the investigation? For that matter the Government is reluctant to hold inquiries in any of the killings, abduction, extrajudicial killings which is happening in the heart of Colombo during broad daylingt with a maze of check points manned by security forces.  Why? In any other country even if a dog is killed in this fashion, they will have inquiry and punish the culprits!!  Not in our country which &#8220;boasts of 2,500 year old Budhist civilisation&#8221;</p>
<p>How is that the Government is asking the Wanni people to come to the Govt. controlled areas, but asking the Tamil people who has come to Colombo to escape atrociities by the security forces from Jaffna and other places to go back to their own places?  Why did they send them back in buses from Colombo to Vavuniya and other places, without even allowing them to change their cloths or even to take their belongings or even to inform other family members who were out at that time? They did not even spare the sick people who have travelled from far away places and come for treatment to Colombo.  Does anybody Expect the Tamils to TRUST this Government after all these treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: amazing</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>amazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ajith,
are you serious? or are you david blacker under another name...
this comment is ludicrous:
&quot;after the last 17 aid workers the ltte massacred!&quot;

EVERYONE knows that the GOSL did this - even the GOVT will admit that to you privately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajith,<br />
are you serious? or are you david blacker under another name&#8230;<br />
this comment is ludicrous:<br />
&#8220;after the last 17 aid workers the ltte massacred!&#8221;</p>
<p>EVERYONE knows that the GOSL did this &#8211; even the GOVT will admit that to you privately.</p>
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		<title>By: amazing</title>
		<link>http://groundviews.org/2008/09/30/a-short-note-from-the-vanni/#comment-3645</link>
		<dc:creator>amazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;seelan&quot; - it is not for the sinhalese or the &quot;majority&quot; to decided if the NorthEast secede...

as in East Timor, Macedonia, Czechoslovakia (Czech &amp; Slovakia now) and many other instances any referendum held would only involve those areas wishing to secede and not the rest of the country; ie. it is not for the sinhala people to decided the fate of the tamils. it is for the people of the NorthEast to decide.

and those who came to the NE via state sponsored colonization schemes or irrigation schemes and their voting age children - WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE in this referendum. the sinhala govt&#039;s policy of ethnically diluting the concentration of tamil speaking people in the NE will not be rewarded! those people are welcome to live there but will not be able to vote in THIS referendum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;seelan&#8221; &#8211; it is not for the sinhalese or the &#8220;majority&#8221; to decided if the NorthEast secede&#8230;</p>
<p>as in East Timor, Macedonia, Czechoslovakia (Czech &amp; Slovakia now) and many other instances any referendum held would only involve those areas wishing to secede and not the rest of the country; ie. it is not for the sinhala people to decided the fate of the tamils. it is for the people of the NorthEast to decide.</p>
<p>and those who came to the NE via state sponsored colonization schemes or irrigation schemes and their voting age children &#8211; WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE in this referendum. the sinhala govt&#8217;s policy of ethnically diluting the concentration of tamil speaking people in the NE will not be rewarded! those people are welcome to live there but will not be able to vote in THIS referendum&#8230;</p>
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